tv Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer CNN November 28, 2016 3:00pm-4:01pm PST
the attacker venting his concern about attacks on muslims. dirty laundry exposed. as the president-elect moves ahead with his transition, we're learning more about the infighting over at trump tower over using his secretary of state. is retired general david petraeus a top contender after kellyanne conway publicly bashed mitt romney? and there's growing concern that millions of ballots were cast illegally costing him the popular vote. and trump's negotiating skills are being put to the test as he tries to prevent hundreds of u.s. jobs from moving to mexico. will the carrier company help him make good on a campaign promise? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room."
>> we're following multiple breaking stories, including that brutal attack at ohio state university. sources telling cnn that a facebook page that belonged to the attacker included grievances about attacks on muslims. we also know the attacker was an osu student named abdul razak ali artan. a federal law enforcement official sells cnn he was 18 years old, of somali decent and a legal u.s. resident. authorities say he rammed his car into a group of pedestrians on a sidewalk and used a butcher knife to cut several people before being killed by a police officer. many students barricaded themselves in classrooms. 11 victims were hospitalized. tonight, investigators are searching for a motive, including the possibility this was a premeditated act of
terrorism. president-elect donald trump says he was very impressed by retired general david petraeus at a meeting at trump power. we're told trump is irritated that his campaign manager, kellyanne conway, is warning of a backlash if he nominated mitt romney. and donald trump is declared the winner of michigan as efforts intensify for a recount in that state, as well as wisconsin and pennsylvania. trump is rejecting the campaign as a scam, even as he now is making a stunning allegation of voter fraud without any evidence to back it up. trump tweeting that he actually would have won the popular vote if millions, millions of ballots hadn't been cast illegally in the most recent presidential contest. we'll talk about the breaking news with two u.s. senators.
republican james langford and democrat chris coons. our correspondents, analysts and guests are standing by. we'll bring you full coverage of the day's top stories. up first, let's go to our correspondent with more on the attack at ohio state university. >> reporter: investigators are going through all of that evidence. among them, that facebook post according to federal law enforcement officials that expressed some grievances about recent attacks on muslims. we also know that there are cameras around this campus, that he arrived here in a car alone. we saw that car being towed away with a police escort a short time ago. we know from officials that they are questioning people that may have known him or had any sort of acquaintance with him. we know that his mother actually spoke to a community member and said he was recently complaining about school and about his grades. we also know that community members said that he was a good kid. all of this, though, a part of
the investigation to determine why he may have done this and if terrorism was one of them. tonight, police naming the suspected attacker as osu student abdul razak ali artan. a federal law enforcement official tells cnn he was an 18-year-old somali citizen who lived in the area. a u.s. official says he was a legal permanent resident. investigators are still working on determining motive and can't rule out terror at this point. >> we have to consider that it is that possibility. you know, we had an attack earlier this year with a man with a knife causing multiple injuries. so we're always aware that that's a potential. that's why federal partners are here and helping. >> reporter: the attacker jumped the occur within a car and rammed into pedestrians. the car used in the attack was registered to a family member. >> around 9:52 a.m., the
emergency dispatch center got a report that a vehicle had struck pedestrians. >> reporter: he then continued to attack, slashing people with a knife. >> he exited the vehicle and used a butcher knife to start cutting pedestrians. >> reporter: less than a minute later, he was confronted by a police officer. >> he engaged the suspect and eliminated the threat. >> reporter: within minutes, a campus wide alert went out saying run, hide, fight. the gunshots reported may have been of the police officer shooting the attacker. >> our teacher ran in and locked the door. at the same time, we all saw a ton of -- we heard a bunch of sirens and a bunch of cars just flooded towards that area. >> it's scary. it was really scary. we barricaded ourselves in our rooms like we were taught, turned off our lights, and just
hunkered down. >> reporter: at least ten people were injured in the attack. none of the injuries are believed to have life threatening. and non-life threatening injuries, wolf, a majority of that credited due to a campus police officer, authorities say he was in the right place at the right time, but he also acted quickly, taking action just under one minute, likely saving lives there. authorities right now conducting a search warrant of the suspect's home. back to you. >> brynn in columbus, ohio. we're just getting in the first photo that we have received of the assailant, there you see him, abdul razak ali artan, this picture coming from the ohio state university newspaper. there you see him, abdul razak ali artan, 18 years old. he used a vehicle to plow into a
crowd. a previous article in the student newspaper, not a current article or anything along those lines. but he then used the knife to go after students and others on the campus of ohio state university. let's talk about the breaking news with republican senator james langford, a top member of the homeland security and intelligence committee. senator, thank you very much for joining us. >> glad to be with you. >> i know you've been briefed with what's going on. do you think this was a deliberate act of terror? >> yeah, it's unknown at this time. i would say that the initial thing for me is we have to learn a lot more. but typically, if it's an isis terrorist in particular, right before they carry out the attack, the last post they put on their facebook page is a pledge to isis and the isis flag and carry out the attack. we're hearing on the facebook page, there are some comments about it. doesn't tend to lend towards the typical mode for isis. so we'll see in the days ahead. >> the facebook page believed to
be that of the assailant included grievances on attacks on muslims around the world. that was the headline coming out of the facebook post. >> that makes a big difference if it's the last post or a buried post. >> apparently it's the last post. >> that's pretty telling. >> of what? >> of a terrorist act, because that's the motive. if you go back to san bernardino, orlando, the attacks there, the last thing they'll post is a pledge of allegiance to isis or some connection with international terrorist groups that we know of, or to some complaint about what's happening, and then carry out their act of terrorism. there is no advanced warning for most lone wolf attacks. they're operatinoperating, pland carry out their attack. >> they could be instructed or inspired by someone, presumably. the fbi and local law enforcement are going through his records to see if there was
any direct linkage to isis or some other terror group. >> that's correct. they're a difference between inspired and directed. but if you have individuals in syria, directly communicating, whether that be through a means that is encrypted or an open series to instruct them or someone that's just inspired, i've watched youtube videos of certain clerics and i'm inspired to carry out attacks, both of them have a different result. but you have a different connection point. >> it's going to cause a lot of concern out there. and i'll give you the tweet that the national security adviser designate for the president-elect, lieutenant general michael flynn, he tweeted this earlier this year. fear of muslims is rational. please forward this to others. the truth fears no questions. is that kind of rhetoric appropriate? >> that kind of rhetoric is
difficult, because you have muslim neighbors, individuals that you're around, that go to school with you. it's not just that you're afraid of all muslims, but there are individuals that live in neighborhoods and suddenly go active in whatever means that may be at that point. so there is a rational sense of it, but irrational to be fearful of every person you're around. >> we showed the school newspaper of the 18-year-old, abdul razak ali artan, permanent resident of the united states. there you see it. he says in this article that appeared not that long ago, i just transferred from columbus state, we had prayer room where is we could prayer because we muslims have to pray five times a day. then he says, i wanted to pray in the open, but i was kind of scared with everything going on in the media. i'm a muslim. it's not what the media portrays me to be. if people look at me, a muslim praying, i don't know what they're going to think what's
going to happen. but i don't blame them. that's what he said earlier in this article in august. not that long ago in the student newspaper at ohio state university. so clearly he was very sensitive to being a muslim and going out and praying in the open. >> right. and that you still in the same situation there, he's sensitive in saying don't judge me that i'm a terrorist because i'm a muslim and then months later he gets a knife and a car and attacks people. that's very chilling to see the side by side. >> are you concerned that some of the rhetoric that's come out during this political season has been so disturbing that an individual like this who says i'm afraid to pray in public because he's a muslim would obviously, as we saw him today, go off the deep end if you will, take a vehicle, a regular vehicle, plow into a sidewalk where there's a bunch of people standing by, and start wanting to kill them, and then stop the vehicle, jump out with a butcher's knife, as has been
described, and just starting to slash individuals? >> yeah. nothing clearly in any of our political rhetoric would ever justify or inspire it. if you have individuals to say there's a agreement, disagreement, like, don't like, that doesn't engage people to say you don't like me, so i'm going to kill people. that reinforces the stereotypes that they say everyone should be opposed to. so at the end of the day, we'll have to find out more on why he would carry this out. but i don't see anything in our political campaign that would cause muslims to kill people. >> donald trump during the campaign said it would be okay to survey mosques. is that appropriate? >> if you have a cleric that motivates people to engage and say you should carry these things out, that would be
appropriate, because you have to see why are people drawn to this leader. but to just go participate in every mosque and be able to do surveillance on them, no, that's not appropriate. >> as you know, isis, aqap, al qaeda, other terror groups, they said if you don't have a gun, get a knife. if you don't have a knife, get a vehicle and kill infidels. they've made this suggestion in social media. you've seen that. >> absolutely. and that is the most difficult about dealing with a lone wolf attack, either inspiration or direction from overseas. we had a conversation two years ago about individuals from syria contacting someone in phoenix saying there's an event in garland, texas. they hate muslims, you should kill them. they left out, drove from arizona to garland, texas. took out guns there. and if not for texas law enforcement meeting them there, we would be talking about a blood bath that would have
happened in garland, texas. that was an individual living in the community that carried that out. >> once again, we don't know if this individual was inspired or directed or may have simply been mentally ill, if you will. >> that's correct. >> we're going to get more information very soon. i want to thank you for this report. you have a copy of the report you just put out a federal fumbles, billions and billions of dollars in wasted money that the federal government engages in. people can go read that. >> they can go to my website and read it. it's not exhaustive of all the areas of federal waste, but we examine multiple different agencies and not just waste, and we don't just examine regulations but we look at where is the source of this and how do you fix this? when we're at home, we can sit and complain about waste. with our job, we have to fix it. so in every one of those areas, we identify here's the waste or
the problem, here's how to fix it. and we try to work towards that. from last year's guide, we look at it for this year and say here are the areas we mixed over the last year. >> thanks for doing this. i heap hearing for years and years, waste, fraud, abuse, rarely does much happen about it. >> we can fix it. we take it on one at a time. >> thank you very much for joining us. coming up, i'll speak with democratic senator chris coons. he's got thoughts on what's going on. also, more on the breaking news, including new information about that young attacker, 18-year-old killed by police at ohio state university. plus, the trump team fighting over who should become the next secretary of state. does the president-elect have a new favorite tonight? i really ds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. i should take a closer look at geico... geico has a long history of great savings and great service. over seventy-five years. wait. seventy-five years? that is great.
there's breaking news tonight. new talks and growing tension as donald trump works to fill crucial job of secretary of state. the president-elect met with retired general, former cia director david petraeus just a little while ago, tweeting that he was very impressed with petraeus. he's emerging as a contender, as team trump battles of the possibility that the top diplomatic post could go to mitt romney. cnn's phil mattingly has more on what's going on. phil, the eternal squabbles are very public right now. >> reporter: that's right. the idea that advisers would have strong feelings about who the president-elect may choose for his cabinet, not a surprise. but it underscores most importantly there is very real opposition to a very real leading contender for secretary
of state, mitt romney. tonight, a stunningly public fight being waged among president-elect trump's top aides for who should be his secretary of state. mitt romney, 2012 nominee and trump critic, still in the running, despite a public campaign against him led by trump's advisers and surrogates. >> i'm all for party unity, but i'm not sure we have to pay for that with the secretary of state position. we don't even know if mitt romney voted for donald trump. >> i know he's a self-serving ego maniac who puts himself first, who has a chip on his shoulder that thinks he should be president of the united states. >> reporter: aides say the public back and forth has "er stat -- irritated the president-elect." >> the president-elect is the one person that will be making the decisions here. this is his administration and his government that he's putting
together and he's going through a very detailed and thorough interview process for all the key positions. and when he's ready, he'll make that public. >> romney is scheduled to meet with trump sunday, along with the chairman of the foreign relations committee, bob corker. david petraeus, whose government career imploded amidst allegations he shared classified documents. he was sentenced to two years probation, admitting that he made false statements to the cia. >> the meeting went very well. he basically walked us around the world, showed a great grasp of a variety of the challenges that are out there, and some of the opportunities, as well.
so very good conversation. we'll see where it goes from here. >> reporter: for now, aides say, the president-elect continues to weigh all options. >> the president-elect is really taking these meetings very seriously. he wants to make sure that he's making the absolute best decision for all of the different positions. >> reporter: including close adviser and one-time clear front-runner rudy giuliani. but the secretary of state position far from the only decision outstanding. the president-elect today meeting with fran townsend, a possible homeland security secretary, and john alison, a treasury secretary candidate. and wolf, as everybody starts to pay attention or continues to pay attention to the secretary of state race, advisers telling cnn it's likely other cabinet picks my come first like treasury or homeland security. but no question about it, it is that state department position
that all eyes are focused on. david petraeus getting a nod of approval, donald trump tweeting he was very impressed by him. but mitt romney, his meeting tomorrow night will be a private dinner one on one with the president-elect. that will be the second face-to-face meeting in as many weeks with the president-elect. wolf? >> significant moment indeed. phil mattingly, thank you. now to donald trump's stunning new claim about a rigged election. he's alleging that millions of votes were cast illegally in the presidential contest and that's why he lost the popular vote to hillary clinton. this as trump condemns the push for a recount in several states. let's go to our national correspondent suzanne malveaux who is work thing story for us. another trump tweet unleashing criticism and concern. update our viewers. >> reporter: election officials are calling trump's claims of illegally cast votes as absurd,
reckless and unbecoming of a president-elect. that is just from california's secretary of state. we have republican and democr democratic members who believe that trump is making a mockery of an election that he won. donald trump is spreading claims about the election he won, the president-elect tweeting, in addition to winning the electoral college in a landslide, i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. trump, who now trails hillary clinton by more than 2 million votes in the latest national count, offering no evidence to back up his statement about millions of illegal ballots. >> unbelievable. >> reporter: echoing themes from his campaign. >> it is a rigged system, and be careful with the voting. be careful with everything. >> reporter: trump is raising unfounded allegations of voter fraud in three states he lost, tweeting, serious voter fraud in virginia, new hampshire, and
california. so why isn't the california reporting on this? serious bias. big problem. leaders in all three states pushed back, saying their elections were fair. some trump allies are urging him to let it go. >> he is the president-elect. it is time to move forward. >> reporter: trump's salvos come as a recount moves forward in wisconsin, where officials rebuked the president-elect forecasting doubts about the integrity of the voting progress. >> personally, i would like him to come down and spend the time with the folks on the ground that are counting these votes to say that people are counting illegal votes is an insult to the people that run our elections. >> reporter: the bipartisan election commission today signed off on a plan to complete a new state-wide tally by mid december. the recount push is being led by jill stein. but the clinton campaign is also taking part in the process. a lawyer for the clinton campaign saying, it is doing so
to ensure that it is fair to all sides, adding that the campaign has found no evidence of hacking of voting systems. trump, who currently leads clinton in the state by more than 20,000 votes out of nearly 3 million cast, calls the recount a scam. wisconsin officials say they are confident that trump's margin will hold once the recount is finished. >> i fully expect, given the history of how elections are conducted in wisconsin, in their accuracy, and i don't think the outcome will be qualitatively different. >> reporter: today, michigan's secretary of state announced that trump has won that state, bringing trump's electoral tally to 306 and to clinton's 232. trump won michigan by 10,704 votes. stein is initiating a recount in pennsylvania and will likely do so for michigan, as well.
so far trump's transition team has been unable to provide evidence that millions of people voted illegally, wolf. >> suzanne, thank you. suzanne malveaux reporting. let's get a top democrat's reaction, senator chris coons. senator, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> do you support this idea of a recount in those states? >> let's be clear, what jill stein, the presidential candidate from the green party is pursuing, and what donald trump, the president-elect has said in his tweets, are not the same thing. jill stein's taking advantage of existing state laws that allow you to request a recount within a certain period and pay for the costs. i think she has her reasons for doing it. the clinton campaign is going to have an observer participating. but i don't think it's going to change the outcome of the election. on the other hand, president-elect trump is undermining the whole confidence that the american people have in the election by tweeting that there are millions of illegal votes that have been cast, something for which there's no
credible evidence. and state and county elected officials, folks of both parties, administer our electoral system. >> do you believe the presidential election was a free and fair election? >> i do. >> so why have a recount? >> i think jill stein is pursuing a recount -- >> do you support that idea? >> i think it's a fine thing for her to take advantage -- >> doesn't that undermine the credibility of this election if she's saying there were problems in wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania, i want a recount? she's suggesting there was a problem there. you don't believe that. >> the clinton campaign has said so far there's no evidence they've come across of hacking in this election that might have changed the results. remember, there's 100,000 votes that would stand between a election and trump election and i don't expect these -- >> this is exactly the fear, if hillary clinton would have won, the democrats were afraid that donald trump wouldn't accept it. he would demand recounts and
this would go on and on and on. so it sounds hypocritical to observers who are watching all of this, why are the democrats supporting the green party candidate jill stein's effort to have this recount in these three battleground states? >> jill stein is taking advantage of an existing provision in the law that allows you to ask for a recount and pay for it. donald trump is undermining the whole concept that this was a free and fair election by suggesting that millions of illegal votes were cast. >> but i guess the whole notion, though, what trump is saying, we have -- there's no basis in truth that millions of voters voted illegally in this most recent presidential election. but i'm still having trouble understanding why hillary clinton's campaign, why other democrats, including you, senator, are saying you know what? let this recount go forward, because you would have been adamantly opposed to it if donald trump had lost the election and hillary clinton won
and he was doing what she's doing right now. >> let's be clear now. what we were concerned what donald trump might do is refuse to accept the results, and challenge them not the way jill stein is doing within the boundaries of the law and within a time and process set out, but by simply refusing to accept the results and inciting his supporters around the country -- >> but he got 306 electoral votes. you need 270. so he won, he's going to be the president of the united states. so this whole notion of a recount, you say let them go forward, spend millions of dollars, let these state workers workday and night to get it done by the deadline. you say that's okay with you? >> that's following our process. that's not undermining confidence in the entire election across the country by spreading false rumors. >> but you have accepted the results, you know that donald trump is going to be the next president of the united states?
>> that's right. i've got plans for the inauguration. >> with a republican majority in the senate, a republican majority in the house, a republican in the white house, you know, you guys are going to have a lot of problems right now. >> we're going to have a lot of challenges and opportunities. i think president-elect should focus on putting together a cabinet that will allow us to work in a positive way, learning the lessons of this campaign and moving forward. i do think that secretary clinton won the popular vote and i do think that donald trump won the electoral college. i think that means there isn't a strong mandate for donald trump, and i am encouraged if he is seriously considering nominees for secretary of state like governor romney who were critics during the course of the campaign. and i'm hopeful that we might see other candidates emerge for secretary of state. >> you could vote to confirm governor romney, is that what you're saying? >> i would seriously look at his record. but he's someone with senior leadership experience. chairman corker is also, already a very conservative republican,
someone who i have worked well in the senate. >> what about rudy giuliani? >> i don't know mayor giuliani. his leadership of the city of new york and his experience would commend him. but i think he has some potential conflicts of interest in his consulting practice and he would face a tougher confirmation fight. just ahead, the breaking news on the ohio state attacker, what his choice of weapons may reveal about possible ties to terrorism. i'm fa-reezing! well, i told you to bring a warmer jacket. when? every day since you could walk! now i just say it with my eyes like... folks, park ranger mark. -sup, bro? -hey, forest cop. you're taking up a lot of space. i'm going to need you to move a vehicle. todd, load the four-wheeler into the truck. flo: that's like bundling! 'cause progressive can bundle your boat, atv, and rv with your truck to save you money.
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told investigators and other people within the community she saw no signs of anything of any kind of trouble. we're also learning that he made these facebook postings. it's still a little muddled, investigators can't say that this was terrorism, because these postings don't necessarily make this an act of terror, but certainly they're concerned about it, and there's still more work. >> one of the most recent posts on facebook showed that he apparently had grievances about attacks on muslims. >> yeah, that's right. so that has them definitely concerned that this may have been some sort of act of terrorism. the other thing is the way this attack was conducted. the other thing that they're doing is obviously they're going through all the video. there's some stuff in the car, they're not telling us what it is, but they're waiting for search warms and subpoenas to go through that stuff. >> phil mudd, the ohio state student newspaper published an interview with him in august which he said, i don't know
where to pray. i wanted to pray in the hope, but i was scared with everything going on in the media. i'm a muslim. if people look at me a muslim praying i don't know what they're going to think what's going to happen. what's your analysis of what happened? >> my analysis when we look at these bits of pieces of information, the american people are going to be moving at 75 miles per hour to determine why somebody did this. the investigative process is going to be moving at 20 miles per hour. that is overnight, tomorrow, you're going to talk about what was motivating him over the course of months. maybe this was a transition to college that was difficult. he might have been looks to isis to validate committing violence. we have about four pieces of a 1,000 piece puzzle. as an investigator, i would resist the push to move at 70 miles per hour. you can't do that in the
investigative seat, wolf. >> paul crookshank, we've seen other terrorist where is a vehicle was used to kill people. that's becoming increasingly more common. >> exactly right, because it works. we saw 86 people being killed in that terrorist attack in nies over the summer in july where an isis inspired terrorist plowed into the crowd of people. there have been vehicle attacks which have killed people in the united kingdom, in canada, and in israel, there have been more than 30 vehicle attacks. that's more than gun and bomb attacks put together. isis and al qaeda are calling for these kinds of attacks. just two weeks ago, isis put out a clarion call for exactly the kind of attack we saw play out today. calling for somebody to get into a vehicle, to ram into people, and then after they've maximized the amount of deaths in that
attack, then to get out of the vehicle and to carry on with either a gun or knife. >> tom, what is the fbi doing now? >> they're trying to determine what we're talking about, what was his motive and is this just a disturbed young man under stress at school, or is there more to this and they'll know more. they're talking to family and friends and students and there's still a lot more to learn about this young man. >> and they gearing to learn it, i'm sure very quickly. everyone, stand by. more breaking news we're following. we'll be right back. and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen by funding scientific breakthroughs, advancing public policy, and providing local support to those living with the disease and their caregivers. but we won't get there without you.
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we're following breaking news on the attack at ohio state university as investigators look into the possibility of terrorism. cnn has learned the assailant's facebook page, included grievances about attacks on muslims. meanwhile, there's also growing outrage tonight over donald trump's baseless claim that voter fraud cost him the popular vote. let's dig into all of this with our political team. he tweeted this, in addition to winning 2 electoral college in a landslide, i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. he also said there was serious
fraud in virginia, new hampshire, and california, so why isn't the meeting reporting on this serious bias? big problem. even some of his own supporters are saying he's undermining the legitimacy of his own big win. he's going to be the next president of the united states. >> and it seems like he's reengaging in these petty back and forth he did in the campaign when he should be focusing on preparing for the transition, putting together his cabinet, that's what i'm hearing from his own allies on capitol hill. i talked to some of them, including senator orrin hatch who said there's no strong evidence of voter fraud that happened. and why donald trump is raising this is a question that only donald trump can answer. but it was clearly evident on the transition team call this morning, even donald trump's spokesman couldn't provide any sort of evidence of voter fraud claims. it just seems tbe another
distraction. >> rebecca, there could be some isolated incidents, but millions of voters that voted illegally? >> sure. and i think the tell here, wolf, is his team wouldn't address this on the call this morning, they didn't say whether he would urge the justice department to the take action, but his campaign's attorneys aren't taking action. they're not calling for recounts and they dismissed jill stein's recount in wisconsin as completely frivolous, as a fund-raising ploy. so i doubt i'm skeptical that he's serious about this. >> he should just say i won the free and fair election. let's move on. >> he risks looking like he hasn't yet stepped into the office that he won. he's got to sort of reel that in before inauguration. >> it's also interesting, this public battle over mitt romney, whether or not he should be the next secretary of state. they're going to have dinner again tomorrow night, second time in nine days that donald
trump, the president-elect will meet with mitt romney. some of donald trump's top aides are publicly saying this guy doesn't deserve it based on what he said during the >> you could you think top aides like kellyanne conway, this would be a faux pas to go out in public and talk about deliberations in the campaign. campaign senior staff said they were essentially talking to president-elect trump, then-candidate trump through the media as a way to get a message across to them. wolf, i think this to a certain degree is less about republican party unity even though they may be characterizing it that way, more about this idea of, look, president-elect trump has to make a decision about which candidate he thinks the best to run his arguably most important department, regardless of what the political fallout can be. >> it is pretty extraordinary, rebecca. >> it is. i mean, donald trump has done this throughout the campaign process, now throughout the transition. this is totally in character for him, but when you think of this in the historical context of the presidency and presidential
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campaign process. in talks with carrier aimed at derailing plans from moving hundreds of jobs from to mexico. mart martin, the big question, can trump convince carrier to make a deal? >> reporter: that's a question many are asking tonight, wolf. you know, when he was running, he made a big deal about the carrier's plan to move down to mexico. he said that wouldn't happen if he were president, now he's president-elect and appears to be trying to make good on a campaign promise. a source with knowledge of the communication between carrier and the trump administration tells cnn they have moved beyond discussion to actual negotiations. but the source stopped short of saying what exactly has been negotiated. at sully's bar and grill just across from the carrier plant in indiana, chili's on the lunch menu served with heavy side of skepticism.
>> i'll believe it when i see it. >> reporter: trump's thanksgiving day tweet is the talk of the plant and beyond. >> social media. >> reporter: working hard even on thanksgiving, trying to get carrier ac company to stay in u.s., trump posted. referring to the heating and cooling giant's plans to shut down this indianapolis factory, moving it along with close to 2,000 jobs, to mexico. making progress, trump went on. "will know soon." carrier's response also on twitter was less optimistic. "had discussions with the incoming administration," it said, "nothing to announce at this time." if negotiations have become serious, there's one group that expects to be hearing about them. united steelworkers local 1999. it represents close to 1,400 of the factory's workers. have you heard of any negotiations or discussions? have you heard anything beyond the tweet? >> no. we haven't heard from carrier or the trump people concerning
that. just tweet only. >> reporter: local president chuck jones says he was shocked by trump's tweet. and tells me if a deal can be reached, he expects his members will be asked for concessions. would the union be flexible? >> what our goal is, and always has been, to try to save 1,400 people's jobs. >> reporter: when it comes to negotiating with carrier, jones knows a thing or two and suggests that trump hit the company right where it hurts. defense contracts. in 2014, alone, carrier's parent company, united technologies, won $3.39 billion worth of government contracts, working on everything from fighter jets to missile defense systems. >> if he's got a card to play, it would be something to the extent of, hey, you know, if you move these jobs to monterey, mexico, we're going to take a hard stand on you getting anymore military contracts. >> reporter: you think that could get their attention? >> i would think it would get their attention, yeah, because you're talking about bs,
billions. >> reporter: but carrier worker edward conway says he's not getting his hopes up. when itlecomes to carrier, he said that boat has already sailed. >> it's like a cruise or a big ship that makes a turn, you know, it's not going to be able to stop in the middle of the turn, you know, so i can't see it happening. >> reporter: it's not that folks here are pessimists, it's that the news nine months ago that their jobs were leaving was so painful to so many, they're afraid to hope. >> you know, because you got a lot of people, i mean, this is going to change everybody, not just me, not her, not -- you know, everybody. everybody's life is going to change. you know? so if he does it, kudos to him. >> reporter: as far as the trump side of these negotiations, those are actually said to be head up by the vice president-elect, mike pence. which makes perfect sense. he is, after all, the current governor of indiana.
wolf? >> makes sense indeed. thanks very much, martin savidge in indianapolis. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news. a vicious attack on a major college campus. the knife-wielding student of somali descent. a facebook page believed to be his with grievances about attacks on muslims. plus, donald trump charging serious voter fraud in key states. why is he questioning the results of an election he won? and, trump tower is going up in istanbul. is trump crossing the line? let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking news. chaos on campus. authorities are not