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good evening. a lot of politics to get to in this hour. we begin with our breaking news. investigators are scrambling tonight to determine if an attack on the campus of ohio state university was, in fact, a terror attack. in less than two minutes, 11 people were hurt, their attacker killed. the entire campus rattled to its core. students ordered to shelter in place. it would be hours before they learned what had happened and who was responsible. as we do on "360" and in situations like this, we try not to overuse the attacker's name, but we think it's important you know who he is is what else we're learning is authorities right now are continuing to look for clues. pamela brown tonight has the latest. >> reporter: around 9:52 a.m., chaos erupts in the heart of the campus near buildings for the science and engineering programs. a car jumps a curb, plowing into pedestrians, then the suspect,
identified as abdul razak ali artan jumps out and continues to attack with a knife, slashing people. >> he exits the vehicle and used a butcher knife to start cutting pedestrians. our officer was on-scene in less than a minute and he ended the situation less than a minute. he engaged the suspect and he eliminated the threat. the suspect is doa. >> reporter: the attacker was an ohio state student of somali descent and a permanent resident of the united states. police are now searching his home and law enforcement officials say that on facebook, he complained recently about attacks on muslims. investigators say it could be the motive, but they are continuing to investigate. his mother told a community member that he'd been complaining about grades at osu. he was interviewed at the beginning of the school year by the student newspaper. and spoke of being uncomfortable openly praying and projecting his muslim faith on campus. >> it's very hectic here right now. there's like 40 cop cars.
everyone's very frantic and all the s.w.a.t. teams are getting together and cops are still pulling up. >> a text message from the university went out to all students, telling them to shelter in place. a tweet from the university's emergency management department told them to run, hide, fight. >> we did see like three or four things that would sound like gunshots, and then we heard silence, so we assumed they were gunshots. >> students barricaded their classroom doors in an effort to keep the attacker at bay. one class piled up desks at the door. >> we have quite a few military men in our class, who actually are all standing by the doors, keeping us safe. so feeling pretty good about that. >> reporter: police say in the end, there was no second suspect, and no shots were ever fired by the attacker. today, investigators are poring through the suspect's communications and belongings, but the police said there was no
question he meant to do harm. >> the only thing that you can say based upon common knowledge is that this was done on purpose, to go over the curb and strike pedestrians and to get out and start striking them with a knife. that was on purpose. >> pamela, what's the latest on the attacker's social media posts? >> reporter: well, we have learned, anderson, that the attacker posted on his facebook page just before he launched that attack here in columbus this morning. he went on an anti-american rant, aired grievances about muslims being killed and in this post that we obtained, he talked about being sick and tired of seeing his fellow muslim brothers and sisters being killed and tortured everywhere. he warned america to stop interfering with other countries. he talked about not letting people sleep unless america gives peace to the muslims. and he goes on to say, anderson, every single muslim who disapproves of his alaska slee cell waiting for a signal. he says, i'm warning you, o,
america. this is part of what he put in this facebook post before he launched this attack. investigators have been aware of this post for hours. they've been scrutinizing this. one official i spoke with said this could help determine the innovate. it looks early on in the investigation that this could be an act of terrorism. they continue to look at all angles throughout the social media, talk to friends and family so early in this investigation. anderson? >> pamela, thanks very much. now to politics and the false claim that president-elect donald trump has made on twitter about millions of supposed illegal votes. jeff zeleny tonight reports. >> reporter: donald trump is showing signs tonight of being a sore winner. the president-elect is suggesting with zero evidence to back up his claim that he won the popular vote. and he's a victim of widespread election fraud. in addition to winning the electoral college in a landslide, trump wrote on twitter, i won the popular vote, if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. after repeatedly railing against the system on the campaign trail -- >> it is a rigged system. and be careful with the voting.
be careful with everything. you watch everything, folks. >> reporter: he's now throwing out blatant and baseless allegations on twitter. "serious voter fraud in virginia, new hampshire and california. so why isn't the media reporting on this? serious bias, big problem!" election officials in all three states say trump's charges are flat-out wrong. trump transition officials have not offered any hard evidence to back up his staggering claims of fraud. despite chargiing that millions of fraudulent votes were cast nationwide, trump is crying foul over the recount getting underway in wisconsin. the wisconsin elections commission said today it would start counting nearly 3 million ballots again at the request of green party candidate jill stein. she's pledging to foot the tab in wisconsin, even as she pushes for recounts in michigan and pennsylvania. trump swept the three rust belt states, turning them red for the
first time in more than two decades. a recount is highly unlikely to change the outcome. >> this is certainly not bush v. gore. >> trump, who won wisconsin by 22,000 votes, called the wisconsin recount a scam. mark thompson, leader of the bipartisan wisconsin election committee, blasted trump for peddling what he called a conspiracy theory. >> to say that it's not being fair or that people are counting illegal votes, from my vantage point, is an insult to the people that run our elections. >> reporter: the clinton campaign says there is no evidence of wrongdoing, but still plans to observe the wisconsin recount. mark elias, clinton's top lawyer, responded on twitter. we are getting attacked for participating in a recount that we didn't ask for by the man who won the election, but thinks there was massive fraud. now, all this talk of fraud, but no evidence or facts to back it up. it may be a way to change the subject from something that republicans close to trump tell me is bothering him. he lost the popular vote to
hillary clinton, more than 2 million votes so far. so he's raising suggestions of fraud to muddy the waters. now, jill stein is pledging to request a recount in michigan before the wednesday deadline. and in pennsylvania, all this will be playing out as trump builds his administration. the election may be over, but the chaos of campaign 2016 clearly is not. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. california's top election official is hitting back at trump's claim. alex padilla tweeted this. it appears mr. trump is troubled by the fact that a growing majority of americans did not vote for him. his unsubstantiated allegations of voter fraud in california and elsewhere are absurd. his reckless tweets are inappropriate and unbecoming of a president-elect. california secretary of state alex padilla joins us now. thanks so much for being with us, secretary padilla. to your knowledge, is there any evidence whatsoever that points to any kind of significant voter fraud in california? >> uh, absolutely not, anderson. and i think that's a big part of the problem here. we've heard a lot of this accusations about potential
rigging and hacking in several weeks leading up to the election. to be honest, my biggest concern was not just the security of our elections, but that it could have the effect of discouraging people from voting, if they thought that maybe their vote wouldn't count or maybe their vote would not be counted. in california, i'm proud to say, california saw right through that. we had a record high registration going into november 8th. and it looks like an historic high turnout, as well. >> so why do you think donald trump signaled california out, along with virginia and new hampshire? >> i think, you know, he certainly lost california, in a big way. that, i imagine, doesn't feel good to but i am a registered democrat, i take my day job seriously, everything and in the conduct of the elections is done professionally and in a very transparent way. for the folks who have complained about the outcome of the results or the rumors about voter fraud, without any evidence, without any proof, we welcome them in to county
election offices, up and down the state on election night to observe the counting of the ballots. and since election night, to observe the processing of vote by mail ballots and provisional ballots. >> some states like, i think, wisconsin, pennsylvania, they do some sample testing after the election in a number of counties, to see, you know, if the vote, in fact, is what it was on election night. does california do that? do you look back at all? do you check? >> absolutely. we have several layers of security, actually. we have the highest standards for certification of what systems can be used in the elections. we have criteria for election day itself. no machines that are used to mark ballots, cast ballots, count ballots, at any point, can be connected to the internet. so it's nearly impossible to systemically hack or rig the election. and yes, after fact, we do require a percentage manual tally, just to make sure that the hand count matches up with the machine count, both for the
accuracy of the results and the integrity of the results. election integrity is paramount. we take all accusations of voter fraud very seriously, and to me, that's what was most troublesome of the tweets yesterday. significant allegations with no proof, no evidence. if you have it, team trump, bring it. >> hacking is one thing, but old voter rolls, or people who are dead, still on the voter rolls, at the wrong address. it seems like that is an issue around the country. >> so two things. number one, in california, we have just recently consolidated 58 independent voter registration databases, county by county, into one statewide voter register database. so we're at the most kaccurate f our voter roll than we have been in a long, long time. but there's always this accusation or allegation of, well, something could happen. someone could vote erroneously. that's very different than someone actually doing it. if there's anybody that has
proof or evidence of voter fraud, we would love to investigate it, please come forward. but short of that, i think it's irresponsible and frankly dangerous for the president-elect to make these serious allegations via twitter, no less. >> secretary alex padilla, appreciate you joining us. coming up, what voters in wisconsin think about a recount in their state set to get underway later this week. and president-elect donald trump made moving jobs from mexico to america a point of his election. >> if you move these jobs to monterrey, mexico, we're going to take a hard stand on you getting anymore military contracts. >> do you think that would get their attention? >> i would think it would get their attention, yeah, because you're talking about bs, with a billion -- you know, billions. ♪ don't let the food you eat during the day haunt you at night. nexium 24hr... shuts down your stomach's active acid pumps... to stop the burn of frequent heartburn... all day and night. have we seen them before? banish the burn with nexium 24hr.
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the recount is expected to start later this week in wisconsin, one of three states jill stein is focused on. in a moment we'll hear from stein, but later, gary tuchman spoke to voters in wisconsin to hear what they think about this recount. >> florence county, wisconsin, in the northern tip of the state. >> i voted for donald trump. >> reporter: 72% of voters here selected trump. his number one county in wisconsin. >> and not too far away -- >> i voted for hillary. >> reporter: 78% for clinton. her number one county in wisconsin. two rural places, with very different viewpoints of the
upcoming wisconsin recount, florence county, trump, voter, michael pierce. >> hillary is -- she can probably beat everybody that didn't get their way is going to cry and wine about something. >> reporter: menomonee county clinton voter, shauna perez. so do you have a thought that hillary clinton could still win here in the state of wisconsin? >> there's always hope. and i hope so. >> reporter: menomonee county's residents are mostly native americans, members of a menomonee county. at the college of menomonee nation, strong support of the recount combines with hard feelings about the elections. >> the russians might have interfered with the electronic votes that were cast by the american public. >> reporter: do you think they would have done that in favor of donald trump? >> yes. because donald trump is promoting support for the reinvigoration of the soviet empire. that's what i feel. >> if there was a mistake, they should find it.
>> are you suspicious that there might have been a mistake? >> well, why would there be a recall? >> reporter: back in florence county, inside barb's cafe -- >> the only thing that's bothersome about it is the person asking for the recount only got 1% of the vote. why would that individual be interested in getting a recount -- >> what do you think the reason is? >> the reason is that it was put up by hillary and the clinton people, the clinton political people. >> financially or -- >> financially -- >> or in terms of a message? >> both. financially -- >> because there's no evidence they're paying for anything, democrats. >> understand that. but we know money goes around. >> reporter: and regarding donald trump tweeting the recount is a green party scam. >> hillary, she is a scam more. >> as the presidential campaign neared its conclusion, donald trump famously made frequent allegations that the election was rigged. ironically, some wisconsin voters we talked to who don't like trump agree with him.
except they have a different definition of who is is rigger. >> i think trump got a lot of votes that weren't supposed to be. i really think hillary should have won. >> reporter: what do you think happened that led to him getting votes that he should not have gotten? >> might have been rigged. >> reporter: but in florence county, most say no matter what happens with the recount, it's all moot. >> i believe that the election turned out the way it was supposed to and they'll find it out. so, they'll figure it out. >> reporter: and gary joins me now. did anyone you interview believe there was actually a chance the recount would change the result there in wisconsin? >> reporter: anderson, in this trump county, no one we talked to feels anything will change. in the clinton county, people we talked to, many of them said they want a change, they wish it would change, but none of them categorically said they think it will change. anderson? >> gary, thanks. a short time ago i spoke with dr. jill stein who's leading the recount effort and has raised
more than $6 million for the cause. here's some of what she had to say. you're talking about potential hacking. and obviously, there have been instances, and obviously, the dnc e-mails were hacked. there were attempts to get into -- and efforts to get into various voter databases. but the fbi has been investigating that, and i assume, continues to investigate that. and even the clinton campaign, their counsel says they've had lawyers and data analysts and programmers looking since the results and have not recovered any actionable evidence. >> that's right. and what the people who watchdog the voting machine equipment, what they will be very quick to tell you is that this is something you cannot see, unless you actually count the ballots. there is otherwise no standard against which to measure it. so unless we actually look, we will never know. >> with me now is cnn senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. democratic strategist, paul begala, monica langley, kayleigh mcenany, senior political
analyst and journalist, carl bernstein, and cnn political commentator and ceo of impact strategies, angela ry. jeff, the record on recounts, it doesn't make that much of a difference. i was looking back at the green party in 2004, i think it was, in ohio and insisted on a recount, raised more than $100,000 to do it, george bush got 300 less votes and still won the state. >> that's almost entirely the rule. 300, 500 votes at the absolute outside. if you look at donald trump's margins in these states, they're narrow by political standards, but they are not within the range of a recount, barring some sort of systemic failure. and there's no evidence. >> and by and large, in ohio, i was looking in particular, back in 2004, it wasn't massive voter fraud, it was some bad, you know, badly trained polling workers, malfunctioning machines in some cases, some ballots had been ruled as, i guess, not
valid, and were re -- >> even florida in 2000, which was, of course, the most celebrated and notorious recount of all time, at the end of the day, there were a few hundred votes that switched in terms of -- after the 36 days of litigation. it is simply not within the realm of possibility to have 10,000, 20,000 votes change hands. it just doesn't happen. >> politico tonight is reporting that a lot of democrats and a lot of clinton supporters and sort of people with the campaign don't -- aren't all that thrilled by what jill stein is doing, and actually don't believe this is going to change anything. and in fact, it kind of gives another victory to president-elect trump, when -- >> that's right. you have this bizarre situation, where hillary got a lot more votes, trump's going to be the president, legitimately, but hillary got 2 million more votes than trump, and yet, she is not questioning the legitimacy. donald trump, who won, is saying that it was rigged and there was fraud. i have never -- i've done this 34 years on four continents. i have never seen someone win an election and then claim it was
rigged. >> the trump campaign, their legal counsel, says, we're going along with this to make sure everything's the fair for both sides. is that -- or is that just cover? >> i think it's -- it only makes sense for donald trump to participate in the recount and make sure his interests are protected. but i don't think he has anything to worry about. >> but the clinton campaign saying -- >> oh, the clinton campaign saying, they're just going along with this. >> and that's fully appropriate. i mean, frankly, it is pretty rich that jill stein, who did a significant amount to help donald trump get elected president, is now suddenly sort of taking hillary clinton's side. and i think donald trump does have a point, when he talks about how jill stein is fund-raising, making a heck of a lot more money than she ever made during the campaign, off of this futile gesture. >> and we played most of the interview -- >> she's a bad actor and she may
have cost hillary clinton the presidency. >> what do you mean, a bad actor? >> by a bad actor, i mean, there's a lot of hypocrisy going around, all around here. trump's hypocrisy about these supposed 3 million votes. if they exist, he ought to embrace this recount and say, you know, let's find out -- and i'm going to say, at this point, i think it's probably a good idea to put aside any notion that the russians were able to do this. and let's have the recount. at the same time, hillary clinton campaigns hypocrisy on this in terms of joining it on grounds that, oh, yeah, we just want to be sure our technical interests are represented. they could do it from the sidelines. i think there are some people around that think, well, yeah, maybe we could still pull this out. i think there are some dreamers. it's a little -- i think there are a lot of hypocrisy on everybody involved here. >> angela, you are not happy? >> are you looking at my face? obviously, there's no poker face happening here. i think a couple of things. one is, i don't think that jill
stein is being a bad actor here. i think that she's tapping into some legitimate concerns and fears in this country. when you look at the number of millennials that either protested the election or participated by going to the polls, there are folks who feel like they've never really been represented. and so now, they see an election that hillary clinton won by the popular vote, but there's an -- there's this electoral college thing that doesn't represent their interests. so there are questions. the other thing they saw are two, i think, major factors in how people engaged in the political process -- >> but this electoral college thing, that is a part of american government. >> that's not me -- >> and i don't mean to -- >> i'm putting on my millennial hat. >> i don't want to pretend that it's all millennials. but it is part of the constitution. >> please understand, i did take common law in law school, i'm not confused about that. but i do think there is a legitimate concern that the electoral college is a dated concept. and it's something that should be -- >> but that has nothing to do with what jill stein is doing.
>> what i'm trying to say, anderson, it feeds into this narrative. whether you're talking about fbi director comey's letter and the second letter, or talking about russian hacks earlier before the dnc convention, there's a lot of doubt here. >> it is interesting in this election, how much we've talked about people's feelings. like, on the trump side, it was like, well, people feel like the economy's not working for them, or people feel this way. in this case, it's millennials feel that it was wrong. but facts are facts. >> everybody's got a conspiracy, it looks like. >> that is so quaint. what did you just say? >> there are no -- >> there's no actual evidence of massive voter fraud. >> but anderson, there is evidence of -- >> voters feel like maybe there was. but if i feel hungry, it doesn't necessarily mean that i should eat right now. >> but sometimes you should. >> i'm glad we've got that out of the way. >> in jeffrey's term, it's rich, right? we're talking now that feelings don't matter. but donald trump was like heralded for tapping into the
feeling -- >> i feel like i have big muscles, but i don't. >> anderson, i get it. >> i'm a pip squeak. >> but people don't feel like they're represented, because they haven't been represented. because -- >> but we're commending the people who have put feelings aside and done what's for the betterment of the country, and that's president obama, who put out a state when this all was going on saying, look, we believe the vote represents the voice of the american people. and he has acted like a gracious, really hero in all of this, the way he's accepted this and moved on and tried to welcome president-elect obama in and guide him forward and give him the presidential advice he has, based on his years of experience. we should recognize those people who have recognized the facts and have done so graciously. >> the interesting thing to me is that the whole notion that the system is rigged was not from the millennials. it came from the trump voter. >> and bernie sanders' voters. >> and from donald trump. and that is what -- >> she's the one that brought up millennials. >> that was a part of it. >> millennials, do not e-mail me. >> you are getting it, anderson.
>> this whole notion that the system is rigged, that it's unfair, came from donald trump. and he rode it, in part to become the president. and now, and now today, he is using it right back at hillary and stein to say, okay, y'all are going to take me on? let's do this. >> i think paul made an interesting point about this just being a diversion from other things. we'll talk about that. we've got a lot more to talk about with the panel, including breaking news on the trump transition, as mitt romney prepares for a second meeting with president-elect trump. vice president-elect mike pence says there's some important announcements coming tomorrow. we'll talk about that, ahead. ns. they don't? alka-seltzer plus night liquid gels fights your worst cold symptoms. plus, unstuffs your nose. oh, what a relief it is.
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welcome back. our breaking news tonight in the trump transition, vice president-elect mike pence says there's be a number of important announcements tomorrow. one of the biggest jobs still to be filled, secretary of state, mitt romney and rudy giuliani still contenders, both controversial for different reasons. president-elect trump and romney have a second meeting scheduled for tomorrow. as we said, donald trump also met today with former cia director, david petraeus. back with the panel, monica, you've been talking to a lot of folks. how long do you think this is going to play out? where do you think it's headed? >> i think they're clueless at the moment. and especially donald trump, who is the decision maker. i think that he is not sure which way he wants to go.
i think, still, rudy giuliani is the leading candidate, because he is the one that has been the most loyal, who's worked the hardest. on the other hand, donald trump cares about appearances and is upset that jewgiuliani is not getting the rave reviews from outsiders that he was hoping. romney looks the part of the secretary of state, although romney and he trashed each other. ting there still could be somebody that comes up at the last minute. >> other focus we've talked about, obviously, david petraeus, who was there today. bob corker. >> the senator who chairs the foreign relations committee. there's any number of folks. but i'm curious as to this notion that the secretary of state should be a reward for a job well done in a campaign. that's why we have an embassy in bermuda or the bahamas or something. i was a campaign hack and i'm for rewarding campaign hacks. but that's not the most important thing. ronald reagan chose his most bitter rival to be his running mate. a man who undermined reagan
economics, called it voodoo economics. barack obama picked hillary clinton, who called him elitist and mocked him. it wasn't the worst campaign we've ever had, but she had really tough things about obama. this is the model. the job of the transition is twofold, unite the government and staff your government. and the more he's reaching out, clinton taught me this, bill clinton, lincoln used to say, i destroy my enemies, i make them my friends. that should be president-elect trump's goal. it's wrong for me to offer him advice. >> it's fascinating, the degree to which this has been playing out in the public realm, and i assume intentionally. do you think donald trump would have it any other way? >> i also don't think that it's unheard of for a transition process to be this public once the nominees are made clear. it's now being reported that tom price is the leading front-runner for health and human services. so i think that it's -- >> we haven't confirmed that yet, but -- >> well, i think the most important thing is that people have the opportunity to chew on who his picks are, so we get a
sense for what the trump agenda will look like. for me, i can tell you that it continues to be frightening. i have not awakened from this nightmare since election day. >> the point about the agenda, i think, is very interesting. there's a real split in the republican party right now, between the more isolationist wing that trump has at times sort of embraced and the neoconservative wing that got us into the iraq war. rudy giuliani is very much associated with that wing of the party. where donald trump comes out in this split is very important and frankly, very mysterious, at this point. other than picking giuliani, who would represent a clear embrace of the neoconservative view, it's still unclear where these other candidates stand within that very significant split. >> it's possible something else might be going on, as well, at the same time. the conflicts of interest that are so manifest in trump's
businesses, that any other, suppose it were hillary clinton or richard nixon, there would be a congressional investigation so fast of the incoming president that your head would spin. that what we are doing, partly here is by this rather circus-like and ingenious procession and show that we are seeing, trump is postponing and keeping our attention off of his biggest problem. he does not want to lose his businesses and he is intent on hanging on to them. but there are a lot of people that believe that he can't be president of the united states and head of trump inc. that's the biggest question facing the incoming president. several republicans are concerned about it. >> kayleigh? >> i think he'll handle conflicts of interest appropriately. we've been assured by reince priebus there's going to be a white house counsel that are looking at things -- >> that's a big assurance. >> more than conflicts of interest, i'm concerned which
candidate for secretary of state recognizes the biggest geopolitical threat we face. on one happened, you have mitt romney who says that's russia, and i look at giuliani, and i don't support him as my leading contender. i'm not the president-elect, i support who he pix. but i don't support him because of loyalty. but i support him because he's the one who looks terrorism in the eye and saw this country collapse under the really radical terrorism on 9/11 and watched this city rebuild. and he understands in a visceral way that's something that has to be dealt with. that's why he's my leading contestant. two days after the election, president obama and president-elect trump have been talking regularly on the phone. who's calling whom and what are they talking about? we'll tell you what we know, ahead. ve your laxative... ...when that lax loves your body back. only miralax hydrates, eases, and softens to unblock naturally. so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax. it's your tv, take it with you. with directv and at&t, watch all your live channels, on your devices, data-free.
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more breaking news tonight. we've just gotten word that donald trump has chosen a health and human services secretary, it's tom price. an announcement is expected tomorrow. add to this the list of improbables in election 2016. turns out president obama and president-elect trump have talked by phone since their meeting in the oval office two days after the election. on saturday, we're told they spoke for 45 minutes. josh earnest says they have
spoken, quote, a handful of times. michelle kosinski joins us with the latest. do we have any idea how many conversations? >> not really. the press secretary really didn't want to go into any detail at all. first of all, he especially didn't want to talk about the content of those conversations, but he also wouldn't mention a number. he said he was being intentionally vague to protect the ability of donald trump, to consult confidentially with president obama. this really intrigued the press corps, though. to hear that they had talked just not once or even twice, but a handful of times. that leads us to believe that it's likely more than two, but maybe likely fewer than ten. we don't know that exactly number. >> and we clearly, from what we just said, we don't really know much about the conversations, i assume, neither side is really saying? >> yeah, i mean, reporters tried and tried to get any nugget they could out of the white house today, but they really stick by, you know, the principle of these conversations being
confidential. but, it's interesting that they happen. first of all, they have that 90-minute meeting in the oval office, much longer than either side expected it to be. and afterwards, they talked about that face to face meeting being excellent, and donald trump called president obama a very good man. i mean, it was in this spirit of helpfulness. and we know that donald trump's side has said that the phone conversations, the last one on saturday, that lasted 45 minutes, was good and that donald trump very much enjoys speaking to president obama. on a slightly darker note, though, when josh earnest, the press secretary was asked today, well, does this change anything about president obama's assessment of trump, given that it was only really days ago that he said donald trump was unfit to be president of the united states, he said the president's mind hasn't changed. but, it does sound like both sides are willing to at least talk it out and be helpful. also, you know, donald trump's adviser, kellyanne conway, said that it came up in the context
of cuba, right after fidel castro died, and that announcement was made, that's when they had this phone call. we don't know that's what precipitated it, but we do know, at least, in that conversation, they talked about cuba. >> michelle cozkosinski, apprece the reporting. president-elect trump is also talking with executives a to the heating and air-conditioning company, carrier. he talked about this on the campaign trail, his goal is to full ail campaign process and stop carrier from moving jobs to mexico. they posted, carrier has had discussions with the incoming administration and we look forward to working together. nothing to announce at this time. workers have mixed reaction to the effort. martin savidge reports >> reporter: at sully's bar and grill just across from the carrier plant, chili is being served on the lunch menu with a heavy side of skepticism about plans to keep the plant from moving to mexico. >> i will believe it when i see it. >> carrier workers just off the morning shift say that trump's thanksgiving day tweet is the talk of the plant and beyond.
working hard, even on thanksgiving, trying to get carrier ac company to stay in u.s., trump posted. but if negotiations have become serious, there's one group that expects to be hearing about them. united steel workers local 1999. it represents close to 1,400 of the factory's workers. >> reporter: have you heard of any negotiations or discussions? have you heard anything beyond the tweet? >> no. we haven't heard from carrier or the trump people concerning that. just tweet only. >> reporter: local president chuck jones says he was shocked by trump's tweet, and tells me if a deal can't be reached, he expects his members will be asked for concessions. >> would the union be flexible? >> what our goal is and always has been, to try to save 1,400 people's jobs. >> reporter: when it comes to negotiating with carrier, jones knows a thing or two, and suggests that trump hit the company right where it hurts. defense contracts.
in 2014 alone, carrier's parent company, united technologies, won $20.39 billion worth of government contracts, working on everything from fighter jets to missile defense systems. >> if he's got a card to play, it would be something to the extent of, hey, you know, if you move these jobs to monterrey, mexico, we're going to take a hard stand on you getting anymore military contracts. >> you think that would get their attention? >> i would think it would get their attention, yeah, because they're talking about bs with a billion -- you know, billions. >> reporter: but carrier worker edward conway says he's not getting his hopes up. when it comes to carrier, he says that boat has already sailed. >> it's like a cruiser or a big ship that makes a turn. it's not going to be able to stop in the middle of the turn. so i can't see it happening. >> it's not that folks here are pessimists. it's that the news nine months ago that their jobs were leaving was so painful to so many,
they're afraid to hope. >> you know, because you've got a lot of people, i mean, this is going to change everybody. not just me, not her, everybody. everybody's life is going to change. you know? so -- so if he does it, kudos to him. >> so, martin, talking to folks at the plant, does anyone really have hope that the president-elect and vice president pence can save their jobs? it seems like there's a lot of skepticism? >> reporter: there is a lot of skepticism. and that skepticism is based on the fact that that woman was alluding to. they can't really take the whipsaw back and forth. because they've only just come to grips with the devastating news they're going to lose their job. and now somebody comes along and says, hold on a second, maybe not. and the problem with that is, they can't take another round of disappointment, because many of them don't know where that next job is coming. so, yes, there's a part of them that definitely pleads that he is going to pull this off.
but there is a warning side to them that says, i just can't give myself that kind of hope just yet. they want to see more, anderson. >> a lot at stake. martin savidge, thank you. up next, the president-elect is talking tough about the communist nation, but a journalist has raised questions about donald trump's past connections to havana. we'll dig deeper into that in a moment. remember when they used to say, "free shipping and handling"? what ever happened to the "handling"? i do all the handling. can you handle this laptop before we ship it, nick? there's free shipping,
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as the world marks the death of fidel castro, president-elect trump threatened to roll back cuban embargo. the world marks the passing of a brutal dictator. fidel castro's legacy is one of firing squads, denial and disregard of human rights. can you explain your reporting on this? you're saying that trump executives back in 1998 secretly conducted business in cuba which was illegal at the time in. >> yeah.
trump was looking for ways to expand their business in an entity called trump hotels and casino resorts. they spent $68,000 down in cuba to try to scout out business. they were meeting with government officials. they were meeting with local businesses and financial advisers and it was all illegal. >> you said they spent $68,000. to stay there? >> it's the problem with the invoice. the information i got was from an invoice from a consulting firm called saven arrows investment. it does not break down how you spend $68,000 on a trip to cuba. so -- within that document, it shows that they were discussing ways they could disguise the expenditures in cuba as part of a charitable effort, which it
was not. you're talking about something that requires subpoena power somebody needs to find out is the president-elect a crook? at the end of the day, if he violated the foreign corrupt practices for instance. if there was any money that went to any cuban politicians, i know for a fact they met with them somebody needs to be digging into getting those records. what's a little disturbing, there are two sides to this the other people who have the records is the cuban government. we now have a question of, what does the cuban government have that could be coming into play in the course of these discussions going on now. >> the statute of limitations ran out a long time ago, right?
>> legally, could anything happen at this point? >> well, there is one thing that doesn't have a statute of limitations or at least it's never been established, which is impeachment. if donald trump -- i have been told by my sources that trump knew about it, trump approved of it i know from sworn statements that the money was paid we have the documentation, if donald trump engaged in a felony in 1998, there is certainly nothing in the law and nothing in the constitution that establishes a statute of limitations on having him removed from office for having committed a crime. >> kelly ann conway tweeted about this. for those getting hard news from the view, biz officials tell me trump one did no business in cuba, respected the embargo, and was critical of castro. you're saying she's flat out
wrong? >> i'm saying at the best, she's misinformed. she later. that was a response to her own statement where she said on the view, as i understand it, they spent money in cuba, but they didn't do any business there. which is not the law, they don't understand the law. it's not, did he build a building, it's did somebody spend a dime. trump launched his first presidential campaign a few months later andp oed it in florida speaking to cuban american businessmen saying, nobody should spend any money in cuba, any money that's spent goes directly to fidel castro's pocket. if he believes that, then in the end he paid fidel castro money, if that's his belief. >> thanks for being on tonight. thanks very much, kirk. ♪
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