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girls. >> gilmore girls is back, by the way. my 13-year-old is obsessed. this binge tv thing is very weird. >> that's interesting. i missed the gilmore girls the first time around. now i can do it. >> i'm into these marvel series. who did you think was the funniest? you can tweet alisyn and let her know. >> time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> good morning. i, too, am obsessed with the gilmore girls. >> are you? a lot of young kids are into it these days. all the young people. >> oh, i love that. you guys have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. and good morning, i'm carol costello in washington. thanks so much for joining me this morning. president-elect trump's economic team takes shape. goldman sachs executive steve mnuchin and billionaire businessman wilbur ross. mnuchin confirms he's trump's pick for treasury secretary and ross is tapped for congress secretary, also. trump makes a huge promise.
he will break ties with his many businesses so he can focus on running the country. trump made that announcement in a series of early morning tweets one of those tweets says he will unveil the details of all of this during a december 15th news conference. all of this after mitt romney, who's under consideration for secretary of state, breaks bread with trump at a posh new york city restaurant inside trump's international hotel. all right. so, we're coverig all of these angles with our team of reporters. let's begin with cnn's sara murray. good morning. >> good morning, carol. lots of news this morning. and today, trump's transition team has just made it official that they have chosen steve mnuchin as the next treasury secretary. this is really a loyalty pick for donald trump. this is a guy who was his campaign finance chairman who's been a close economic adviser now he's the pick for treasury. but of course he's going to face some scrutiny. he also was a goldman sachs banker, made some money off the mortgages at a time when plenty
of people were going through foreclosures. you can expect that to come up in his senate confirmation hearing. now on the commerce side we have wilbur ross, a billionaire investor. that is donald trump's pick the transition team announces, and they're also rolling out a deputy commerce secretary, this is going to be todd rickettes as we expected. this is also someone who was critical, whose family at a minimum was critical of donald trump at certain points but eventually came around. on television this morning i want you to listen to mnuchin describing what the economic team's top priority is going to be. >> to get there our number one priority is tax reform. this will be the -- the largest tax change since reagan. we've talked about this during the campaign. wilbur and i have worked very closely together on the campaign. we're going to cut corporate taxes, which will bring huge amounts of jobs back to the united states. >> so that gives you a sense of how this team is going to immediately start working together and try to push forward some of the priorities trump
talked about on the campaign trail. when it comes to the position that has drown so much palace intrigue, secretary of state, we still do not have an answer this morning, after that dinner last night of how things went between donald trump and mitt romney, after the dinner trump was not tipping his hand, but romney had awfully nice things to say about a man he once criticized. >> i've had a wonderful evening with president-elect trump. we had another discussion about affairs throughout the world. these discussions i've had with him have been enlightening and interesting and engaging. i've enjoyed them very, very much. the last few weeks it's been carrying out a transition effort. and i have to tell you i've been impressed by what i've seen in the transition effort. the people he selected as members of his cabinet are solid, effective, capable people. >> now, the other thing mitt romney said after that dinner was donald trump was able to do something i was not, which was
win the general election. and that may be the closest thing we hear from mitt romney walking up to an apology. we'll see if it's enough. if that dinner persuaded trump or if he decides to go a different direction when it comes to secretary of state. carol? >> so the wives were there, too, in that dinner, sara? >> so the wives were supposed to be there. but then they weren't. that's the interesting part. you know, we were kind of exp t expecting anne romney to show up, melania trump to show up. but instead it was three gentlemen. donald trump, it was mitt romney and former rnc chairman now donald trump's incoming chief of staff reince priebus. and that was actually the romney folks felt like a good sign. they feel like reince priebus has been pretty favorable to the notion of mitt romney as secretary of state. and certainly maybe a more comfortable dinner setting for the three of them, especially after we've seen some of donald trump's top advisers like kellyanne conway and other top allies out there publicly bashing mitt romney. >> sara murray reporting live
from washington. now a trump policy win, as promised, president-elect trump has convinced carrier international to stay in indiana. instead of moving its operations to mexico. saving at least 1,000 jobs. workers, as you might expect, were psyched. >> it's a relief. not just for me but for many of the younger people. i'm glad for them. so it just depends on what happens whether i stay or go. >> i would say just thank you for doing what you said you were going to do. because when it comes to presidential candidates, you know, sometimes if not all the time, a lot of times they don't do what they promise they're going to do. so if he does do it, i will tell him thank you, personally, for that. >> okay. so the big question this morning, though, what did mr. trump promise carrier to keep most of their operations in the united states? christine romans is here to tell us what we know. good morning.
>> hi, carol. there's a lot we don't know, actually. what did donald trump promise this company or maybe the state of indiana? perhaps it was tax breaks. perhaps it had something to do with the fact that the parent company of carrier, united technologies, gets an awful lot of revenue from government contracts. we just don't know exactly what the promises were made but we do know an announcement will be made carrier said we're pleased to have reached a deal with president-elect trump and vp-elect pence to keep 1,000 jobs in indy. more details soon. the union telling us they don't have details either. you'll remember back in february that video now seen 4 million times of a carrier vice president or plant manager informing hundreds of workers that their jobs will be shipped to mexico, it was just a business decision. that was viewed over and over again and that became a central rallying cry of donald trump's campaign. that he would keep jobs in the u.s. 2100 was the number of jobs they were going to move to mexico. carrier and trump saying they're going to keep about 1,000 in
indy now. we don't know why though. >> i know it's like did he -- did he somehow threaten carrier? or did he reward carrier in some way for staying in the united states? >> it could be tax breaks. those would be state tax breaks most likely and those would be borne by taxpayers. so we'll have to see exactly what was the package or incentive to keep the company there. >> stay right there. i want to talk about this and more, also joined by errol lewis, cnn political commentator and lynn sweet washington bureau chief of the chicago sun "times." welcome to both of you. if christine could join us that would be great because i'm intrigued by what happened in indiana. so errol, indiana governor mike pence goes to indiana along with president-elect trump and somehow convinces carrier to keep most of its operations in the united states. so, why couldn't governor pence do that when he was governor of indiana? >> that's a very good question, carol. the devil is going to be in the details.
christine is right. this may all be a matter of using existing state promise. it may be the taxpayers of indiana, in fact, who saved these jobs rather than federal government. we're not sure what happened. it's also important to keep in mind that the union that represents many of the workers there, when asked by reporters, said that he was absolutely in the dark, that they were not a part of this conversation at all. and that has implications for their benefits, for their retirement, for whether or not those jobs are going to be back-filled. there are a lot of questions about this i think before we can start throwing confetti. >> okay. so, iville a jurisdiction of power alert to share with my viewers. steve mnuchin is officially now trump's choice for treasury secretary and wilbur ross has been selected officially to be commerce secretary also todd ricketts is the pick to be deputy commerce secretary. now let's return to my panel.
lynn, back to this, this carrier thing because donald trump's businesses do a lot of business overcease. he has many of his goods for his companies made in china, so technically could he force his own companies to do more business in the united states? >> well what he could do right now, carol, is force his businesses to buy american. a point that was made, you know, during the campaign. he hasn't been bully pulpit and we'll see with carrier what the details are. but you know, companies won't just bend to a request without often some sweeteners. and there's a big debate over what city, county, states, and ffg do to keep businesses. also, you have to look out and see are some companies doing, you know, head fakes? and the other issue is, something called a corporate inversion where they just do bookkeeping sleight of hand to try and avoid u.s. taxes by
setting their paperwork outside the u.s. so trump in his own business can set examples. and i think an easy first start would be to buy american. >> okay so christine, trump has said in the past that he might impose a 35% tariff on companies that move their operations to mexico. was this sort of a carrot and stick thing with carrier do you think? >> it might be. it also might be, carol, that if donald trump can get a few wins here like this where he can use this important bully pulpit to make companies keep 1,000 jobs here, 1 is,000 jobs there, it takes some of the heat off of that really sharp rhetoric about imposing tariffs so he has the narrative win in his hand workers can say look he's doing something for us but he doesn't really change the overall landscape of trade. i will say there are a lot of companies right now even in the neighborhood of that carrier plant that are still planning on sending jobs to mexico. it is the way that the global system is. what is he going to do to
protect all of those workers in indiana? or is this just an optical play with carrier? he had promised to do these and he's keeping these 1,000 jobs here. lime i'm looking at the original carrier announcement. it was 2100 jobs from two different carrier plants to the same location in mexico. now we're hearing they're going to keep 1,000. when you see sound bites from people saying they're so glad they're going to have their jobs, i'm not sure which jobs are staying. i think that's why the union's being so cautious. >> we're asking all these questions because mr. trump is sending mixed messages errol because he goes to carrier and tries to keep jobs in the united states for the little guy, right? but then he appoints a goldman sachs billionaire for treasury secretary. who wants to slash taxes for wealthy americans, and also for businesses and companies across america. >> not just a goldman sachs former partner, but one who worked for george soros and who made considerable chunk of his fortune in hollywood. so this is not necessarily one
of these outsiders that the trump campaign promised. on the other hand, he is loyal, and as we are discovering over and over again that is a highly prized quality within this transition. so we know that he's going to be a link to wall street, and possibly to hollywood. we also know, though, that i think this question is going to come up repeatedly, where is his international experience? and how will he fit into the team in that respect? because some key parts of the trump plan, not just the trade policy, but also this issue of whether or not we're going to find a way to repatriate interests of dollars in overseas profits back to the united states, all of that is going to fall on the economic team. we don't know where mnuchin falls in all of that. what his experience is or what he'll be able to accomplish. >> well i think one of mnuchin's first goals is to redo the tax system in the united states. >> yeah. >> well he said that today. he said that he said in terms of you know cutting taxes for the very rich he says he's going to cap their deductions so they will not get a big tax break.
he was very clear about that this morning in saying that he's not out there to give a tax break for the rich but he wants a big tax break for the middle class. in terms of his experience carol i will tell you in his years at goldman sachs the beginning of his career at goldman sachs he did mortgage debt, trading are, he did government bond trading. so he understands how the u.s. borrows and finances its daily operations. he does have a great deal of experience in that department. >> so, lynn, what do you make of it? >> i have two quick observations that once again, you know, top fund raisers get plumb spots, nothing changes. the swam is still here -- >> because mnuchin was trump's top fund-raiser. >> he was his finance chair. >> but in the deputy secretary spot that came out today todd rickets he is the coboard member, co-owner of the world series winning chicago cubs, it will be interesting to see if he has to die vest from that board. he also companies from a billionaire family that's one of the biggest donors to the republican national committee. >> so many questions to ask and answer, right? >> yes. there's a money trail. >> okay.
i have to leave it there christine romans, errol louis, lynn sweet thanks to all of you. donald trump says he's leaving his businesses behind so he can focus on being president of the united states. a former white house ethics lawyer weighs in on whether that will solve trump's conflict of interest issues, though. (vo) when i brought jake home,
bruising election one key question linkers who will lead the party. today lawmakers will attempt to answer that question. right now house democrats are in the midst of a marathon vote on capitol hill. nancy pelosi, the minority leader, is expected to keep her job. but she is facing a challenge from colleagues, including ohio congressman tim ryan who says fresh faces are needed to get the party back on track. senior political reporter manu raju is on capitol hill. you spoke to tim ryan earlier. what did he say? >> well he said that the votes for change are in this room. he's very confident that he's going to unseat and defeat nancy
pelosi today, which will be a monumental upset. i can tell you -- >> manu, this is mnuchin the new pick for treasury secretary. let's listen. >> our number one priority is going to be the economy, get back to 3% to 4% growth. we believe that's very sustainable and focus on things for the american worker. that's absolutely our priority. >> welcome back. explain how you get corporations to have millions of dollars [ inaudible ] >> our first priority is going to be the tax plan and the tax plan has both the corporate aspects to it, lowering corporate taxes so we make u.s. companies the most competitive in the world. making sure we repatriate interests of dollars back to the united states, and the personal income taxes where we're going to have the most significant middle income tax cuts since reagan. we're going to incorporate the
child care program. so this is going to be a tremendous boone to the economy. >> explain how your experience both in hollywood and on wall street will help you. many people say we don't have that government experience that's necessary. >> well, let me first say, what i've really been focused on is being a regional banker for the last eight years. i know what it takes to make sure that we can make loans to small and midmarmate companies. that's going to be our big focus. making sure we scale back regulation so that we make sure the banks are lending. >> talk about infrastructure. you're also being charged in terms of building roads, building bridges. how do you go about doing that? a lot of republicans aren't ready to spend the kind of money that mr. trump wants to spend. >> it's a big priority of this administration. we need to make sure that our infrastructure is built for the 21st century. that we have roads, and bridges, and power grids, and infrastructure that support this
country. and that's going to be a big focus. we'll be working with congress, and working with the different departments in the administration to make sure we figure out how to fund it in the most effective way. i think we're going to look at a lot of different things. publish/private partnerships. different type of things to look at. it's all going to be a big party. >> thank you very much. >> carrier deal i think it's terrific. the president-elect and the vice president picked up the phone and called the ceo of united technologies and told them he wanted to keep jobs here. can't remember the last time a president did that. and, you know, this is a terrific opportunity both myself, wilbur ross, who's in commerce, working with the president making sure we do the right thing for the american workers. thank you very much, everybody. >> all right. we just heard from steve mnuchin, who is trump's pick for the secretary of the treasury. and yes you heard he has a lot of big plans coming up for middle-class workers. and also those who run
corporations. let's head back to capitol hill and manu raju. i want to go down this list of what mnuchin said he has plans for. lower corporate taxes, he wants to slash taxes for all americ s americans. he wants to institute ivanka trump's child care planz. all of these new ideas that sound pretty good to middle class workers right now and there are democrats on capitol hill trying to get those very same people back in their corner. >> yeah. it's a very ambitious agenda. one that would require some bipartisan support. i can tell you in a lot of tax issues, though, they can actually pass a lot of those tax cuts through a budget process that avoids a filibuster in the senate. that means they could pass the party line vote and republicans are going to have to make a decision on prioritizing whether or not to move forward on a tax bill next year or try to do something like on medicare reform and overhaul medicare. one of the big decisions they're going to have to make in order to use that very process that
can avoid a filibuster. things that he mentioned about a child care proposal that ivanka trump was talking about on the campaign trail, that would require some bipartisan support but that could also divide republicans, particularly if you spend a lot of money, things that republicans are frankly, worried about. driving up the price tag. how do you pay for a lot of these social welfare promise? so it will be interesting to see the extent to which they can carry it out. but i can tell you that the chance of mnuchin getting confirmed which will be the first challenge for him, the chances are very high even though democrats are raising concerns about his time in wall street. people like elizabeth warren raising concerns about him. but they really don't have -- democrats don't have much power to stop him because they changed the filibuster rules and allowed this in 2013, making -- ensuring that any sort of executive level nominee for donald trump -- >> having said that manu, having said that here's the argument with the critics of the
democratic party. nancy pelosi will probably return to being minority leader even though younger democrats are vying for that spot. so democrats have no power at all right now. why won't they push through with some change in leadership? >> that's the argument tim ryan is making, nancy pelosi's challenger. he said to me on his way into the room right behind me where this house democratic leadership vote is happening the votes for change are in this room. now, that could be wishful thinking. a lot of people think it is wishful thinking because nancy pelosi is someone who has a lot of support within this room. within the room behind me. carol. so we expect her to win. but if ryan were to pull off an upset it's probably the biggest upset of the year so far, maybe bigger than donald trump's. >> all right, manu raju. thank you so much. so let's talk about this some more. symone sanders is here, a cnn political commentator and former national press secretary for the bernie sanders.
patty doyle is also with me. she's a cnn political commentator and manager of hillary clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. all right, so patty, why would the democrats be open to a change in leadership? fresh blood? obviously something's not working. i know nancy pelosi raises lots of money for democrats but there aren't many democrats in office right at the moment and didn't this past election prove that raising a lot of money doesn't necessarily mean your candidate wins? >> let me say this, first of all, nancy pelosi is the first woman ever to be speaker of the house which makeses her historic figure. more importantly, nancy pelosi runs a very, very disciplined caucus. she is probably the greatest vote counter there is on the hill -- >> but patty, democrats have no power. >> no. having said that though, carol, totally having said that, though, this past election, the 2016 election, was a brutal wake-up call for all democrats at all levels. at the dnc, at the dga, we have
to really sort of look at what happened and look at ways to fix it and reach out to all voters. i don't think that nancy pelosi is going to lose her job. but i do think that a challenge, if it helps sort of awaken them, and look at how they're going to lead moving forward, and look for new leadership in terms of the vice chair i think it's a good thing. i think nancy pelosi is going to take it seniorsly and look into how she can make some changes. >> i don't know if it's a challenge but we still win if you look at it seriously. donald trump and mike pence go to indiana. they talk to carrier. they convince that company to stay, to keep some jobs in the united states. instead of moving them to mexico. why weren't the democrats doing those sorts of things? isn't that something that the democrats might consider? >> well, i think it's also important to note, carol, that they also promised carrier huge corporate tax breaks, and carrier still moved a number of
their jobs -- >> we don't know that yet. >> well, they said that that's what they want to do. we just heard the new secretary of the treasury, talk about reforming taxes. taxes, and tax breaks for corporations. so, i definitely think that democrats need to be focused on jobs. they need to be focused on jobs for hard-working class people. people of all back grounds. i think little unconventional for the president of the united states or the president-elect to pick up the phone and call these companies. but this is as patti said this is a wake-up call for everybody. i'm hesitant to praise the president-elect because again we don't know the details off the deal. we have to take what the president-elect has told us with a grain of salt but this is something that we need to be focused on, absolutely, jobs, jobs for working klaas communities and making sure that when those manufacturing jobs do leave, because a lot of them are not coming back, that there are replacements for those jobs, in these communities so folks can lerns now skills and sin to work.
>> patti will we see this as a move away from identity politics on the part of the democrats? because that's very much the campaign that hillary clinton ran. >> i think democrats need to have an even bigger tent than they already had. leaving white working class voters on the table was disastrous. as we all know now. but that doesn't mean we stop talking to all our other folks. i mean we just have to talk to everybody. and that's how we need to campaign. we really need to focus on our down ballot races. we need to focus on the governor's races. we can't just save ourselves for every four years at the presidential level. like i said it's a huge, brutal wake-up call and we're taking steps to fix it. >> maybe, simone, the answer is to have more democrats move to the middle part of the country. because they all seem to live on the two coasts, right? >> well, i'm from nebraska. so i'm from that middle part of
the country everybody keeps talking about my momma still lives there. i think the answer really is to connect the fight of the people in mcdowell, county, west virginia, for example with the plight of people in chicago, illinois. i think the rhetoric of this general election campaign has made us feel like the people in those areas have two separate issues but we really have more in common than that divides us. so it's really about, i mean and -- to talk about this, about taking a page out of jesse jackson's book, and noting and connecting that we are all part of this quilt, and black worker, the white worker, the person that cares about immigration rights. the person that's fighting for, you know, clean water in their community, whether it's in cannon ball, or flint, is connected. we need all patches of that quilt to move our agenda forward. that is where the party goes from here not tossing out identity politics al to the. >> simone sanders, patti solace doyle thanks so much.
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and good morning, i'm carol costello in washington. thank you so much for joining me this morning. donald trump making an early morning promise to all americans he will eliminate any conflicts of interest due to his real estate empire. he's removing himself completely from his companies, at least that's what he said. he will pass them along to his children. mr. trump added that, quote, legal documents are being crafted which take me completely out of business operations. the presidency is a far more important task. so let's talk about that. i'm joined by former white house ethics lawyer richard painter. welcome, sir. >> well, thank you.
>> thanks for coming back. trump also tweeted this. he said it was visually important as president to have no conflicts of interest. what do you think visually important means? well i don't know what he means by these tweets but what's critically important is that he divest himself of ownership in the business. not just his role in the business operations. if he does not divest himself of ownership in the business we're going to have a whole range of problems. one of them is foreign government money, coming into those businesses, owned by the president, because foreign government money may not be paid to any united states government official in a situation where that could be construed as a gift to the government official. that's a violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution. >> let me zburpt yinterrupt you
make it clear. so if he divests operations that means he still owns the company which means he still makes money from those companies so that's why it's so important that he divest ownership of these companies? >> absolutely. because otherwise that foreign government money that's paid into the trump organization is going to be to his benefit, and that could be a constitutional violation on day one. when he takes office. also he has his name going up on buildings all over the world and being paid by that. it doesn't matter who's running the operations. the question is is he getting that money or is he not putting his name on buildings all over the world? that also is a global security issue. who's going to protect those buildings? and what's going to pay to protect those buildings that has the name of the president of the united states on them. furthermore if he owns this business operation we're going to have to be very careful that nobody in the government is talking about trump's business
side by side with u.s. government business, and that nobody in the trump organization is talking about united states government business when they're doing deals -- >> okay, so is it -- is that -- >> abroad. >> right so is that possible if he turns ownership over to his children? >> i think if he turns ownership over to his children, and that would be a very, very good move in the right direction, the office of government ethics has been tweeting this morning that they are happy that he will be divesting, or at least they may be assuming that he's going to be divesting. if he's going to be doing that that would be a step in the right direction, absolutely. but if it's just turning the management of the business over to his children while he retains ownership, we're going to have all of the same problems that we've been talking about for the past several weeks. >> but, but still even if it -- even if he goes, you know, even if he does the whole thing like you're talking about it's still his family making money off of these businesses.
let's say jared kushner goes to washington and becomes donald trump's most trusted aide. he's married to ivanka trump who would be owning the trump businesses and running them. how exactly would that work? would they just promise not to talk to one another about the business? >> well, that would be a problem for any family member who actually joins the administration. because they would be subject to the financial conflict of interest rules. so if they own the businesses, and then they go into the administration, the criminal conflict of interest statute that does not apply to the president will apply, however, to everybody who's working for the president. so i think the trump family members need to decide do they want to run the businesses, and own the businesses, or do they want to work for the government? if they're going to work for the government, in whatever jobs he can point them to, and there's some question about that under the nepotism statute, but, if they're going to do that, they are going to have to be very, very careful. >> okay, one last question -- >> -- management -- >> one last question on that front because we know ivanka
trump wants to institute her child care plan, right? but if she now owns the trump businesses, can she do that? >> well, i think that would be very problematic. we have an issue with respect to the nepotism statute as to what he can do anyway to appoint family members to various positions. he has very limited options. task force and some other options that i think might be on the table. but, if they're going to own those businesses, they would have to make absolutely sure that there's no financial conflict of interest if they assume those types of roles within the government. so i would be very worried about that. they really ought to be in one or the other. the government business or the trump business. and take their choice. >> richard painter former white house ethics lawyer thank you so much for being with us this morning. still to come in the "newsroom," a wild fire turns deadly after officials say it was a human being that started the fire that has nearly wiped out a tennessee resort town. an executive producer at...
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raging wild fires have turned deadly in tennessee. three people killed as flames race through the eastern part of the state. and this morning a sobering look at the charred remains of gatlinburg. more than 250 buildings burned to the ground. the town's mayor says crews are racing to find anyone who may be trapped. >> search and rescue teams are out, going house by house. there's a few areas that we were unable to get to on monday night, because of the swift nature of the fire storm that we had. and we're finishing those up today. so right now search and rescue is our main challenge. >> jennifer gray live in gatlinburg with more. good morning. >> good morning, carol. it is just a waiting game for the people here in this area. it's been about 36 hours since a lot of them have been able to --
since they left their homes and still haven't heard word when they'll be able to return. so excruciatingly painful for the people who are curious if their home is even there. >> this is crazy. >> search and rescue efforts under way this morning in fire ravaged eastern tennessee. >> this is the largest fire in the last 100 years of the state of tennessee. >> firefighters continuing to put out flames and bracing for the possibility of spot fires, after a terrifying 24 hours at left at least 250 homes and businesses destroyed. and forced more than 14,000 residents and tourists to flee to nearby shelters. >> you just don't know what to do. i mean, you sit there, you're expecting to come on vacation, and find out you can't get back to your family. >> drivers capturing terrifying video as they scramble to escape the fires monday night. at least three people have died since the flames spread with
little warning. officials now say the fire is human caused. denise and her fiance mark were asleep when the inferno reached their doorstep. police rescuing them just in time. >> flames were just everywhere. on both sides of the road. crossing the road. embers flying everywhere. it was a nightmare. >> reporter: like many others, they are unsure when they can return home or what they'll find. >> that's the hard part. you just don't know if it's still going to be there or not. we may go back to absolutely nothing. but we have each other. and that's all that matters. we made it out with our lives. >> reporter: others praying their loved ones are safe. michael reid has not heard from his wife or two daughters since monday night as they tried to escape. >> called the other shelters here and they said she isn't there. just hoping for a miracle. >> and miracle is what a lot of
people are hoping for, especially as they return back to their neighborhoods in the coming hours and even days, carol. a little bit of hope, though, we have had quite a bit of rain during the overnight, and today, and so that should help firefighters quite a bit get those blazes under control so people can go back home. carol? >> jennifer gray reporting live this morning. thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," jill stein vows to fight on but the election recounts aren't cheap. and if she wants to file in michigan she doesn't have much time to pony up.
candidate jill stein still wants a recount, she needs to file for a recount today in that state. the state official certifying election results just two days ago, trump winning over hillary clinton by just a little more than 11,000 votes. stein says she's ready to pony up the money to check to see if those results
are accurate. joining me, ruth johnson, michigan secretary of state. welcome. >> thank you. it's great to be here. >> it's nice to have you here. so how do you feel about being maybe forced to recount the votes in your state? >> well, in michigan we have a lot of laws in place and we're ready to do a recount. we have people that are quite capable. actually, our clerks that conduct the elections in michigan were named some of the best in the nation. we have a wonderful system that has a number of checks and balances built into it and one of it is we did not have our tabulators hooked up to computers and we also have local clerks conduct, county clerks
have a canvass board that canvasses election results and the state does, too. we make sure we have good elections. >> so is it frustrating that you may be forced to recount in spite of all those safeguards built into the system? >> what's unusual is somebody that only got
1% of the vote. it's the first time i have ever seen anything like this that would want a recount. the cost of the recount for somebody that would request it at this point would cost them, if it was state-wide, approximately $1 million. if you use the wisconsin model, it means that the michigan taxpayers would pay about $4 million of the tab when everything is done. >> wait a minute. i thought jill stein was going to pay the tab because she's getting -- she's getting contributions in to pay for the recount so why would the taxpayers in michigan have to absorb some of the cost?
>> i think the law was set up in michigan so that if somebody felt aggrieved, if they thought there was some kind of fraud, we haven't had one case of fraud reported yet but if they thought there were fraud or they were aggrieved, the taxpayer subsidize' the recounts. over a buck a ballot, we will call it, is what it costs to recount. michigan had 4.8 million voters so we are talking about a $5 million fee if you use the wisconsin model and the person that would request sarich a recount would pay $1 million of that approximately. >> my goodness. i'm just looking, 4.7 million votes were cast in michigan. so you have the cost, that's one factor. then you have a timetable, too. can you possibly recount all those votes by, i don't know, what's the deadline? >> well, we are hoping to have it done by december 13th. it is a difficult task. we are already gearing up.
it is the county clerks, the 83 county clerks that will be in charge of this in michigan and already, they have gotten things under way and getting ready in case it is filed. at this point it has not been filed for a recount. they have until 2:06 this afternoon to bring in a check and to petition for that recount. >> what happens if you don't get the recount done by december 13th to michigan's electoral vote? >> well, i can tell you they are already setting up to work on weekends, nights. it's quite a task to recount 4.8 million votes. >> i know, but what happens if they don't make the deadline? >> i don't know. in florida, they didn't meet the deadline and so there was supreme court action. at this point we have not had a state recount in almost a half a century so we are bareaking new ground here. >> is it possible michigan's electoral votes might not count if you don't make that deadline?
because the electoral college meets six days later. >> yes. well, you have to remember this has gone through the local clerks, the county canvass board and the state canvass board and those certificates have already been issued. >> i have to leave it there. thank you so much for being with me this morning. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" after a break. bigger place." finallya "hey!" "hey!" "ahhhh." "charades?" "yeah, let me check my score too." "try credit karma. it's free." "check out credit karma today." "credit karma. give yourself some credit." if you're on medicare, remember, the open enrollment period is here. the time to choose your medicare coverage begins october 15th and ends december 7th.
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'. good morning. i'm carol costello in washington. thank you for joining me. president-elect trump's economic team is taking shape. former goldman sachs executive steve mnuchin and billionaire businessman wilbur ross have been named as trump picks. mnuchin is treasury secretary, ross for commerce secretary. also, trump is making this huge promise this morning, he says he will break ties with his businesses so he can focus on running the country. trump making that announcement in a series of early morning tweets. he says he will unveil the exact details during a december 15