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welcome to "cnn newsroom." thank you for joining me. two senators, admiral, couple of ex cabinet members and state attorney general walk into an office building and since the building is trump tower exactly seven weeks from inauguration day, one of these people, maybe
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more, could emerge with a cabinet nomination. i'll keep my day job. the president-elect is in another day of back-to-back meet, hours after publicly preempting his own announcement for defense secretary. cnn jessica snyder is there. i couldn't help but notice a d next to one of those senators. a lot of people voek issing on this invitation of trump's to democratic senator heidi heitkamp? >> hailing from north dakota. up for re-election in 2018 but will be here at trump tower today. we caught up with her yesterday. she was somewhat in the dark exactly what this meeting by entail but did say she is open to the possibility of discussing a position in the trump administration. possible positions might include interior secretary or energy secretary. of course, heitkamp coming from the very red state of north dakota. a state donald trump won big and, of course, democratic senators like heitkamp donald trump will be looking towards to pass his agenda, but, of course,
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if heitkamp were to take up a post in a trump white house it would leave democrats in the senate severely disadvantaged. we'll see what comes out of that meeting today. also, notable meetings happening inside trump tower today. ambassador john bolton, florida attorney general cam bhonde and recently added to the list today we heard in a call earlier this morning, former defense secretary robert gates will also be here at trump tower. so after a day out on the road yesterday at those rallies, back to business here at trump tower today, brianna. >> what about trump telling fox and almost all of his cabinet picks will be revealed next week? >> reporter: right. the big one right off the bat on monday happening with donald trump actually spilling the beans about it yesterday. retired marine general james mattis will be nominated by donald trump. that announcement coming on monday. of course, as we've learned, there is a legal hurdle to his confirmation. there's a legal statute in place that bars uniformed service members from taking up a
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civilian post within seven years of leaving service. of course, general james mattis just retired in 2013. so he would have to get a congressional waiver. what we've learned from trump spokesman james mill sir that john mccain is right now drafting legislation that would provide that waiver. several democrats actually have come out in support of that waiver. one notable democrat who said she will oppose the waiver is democratic senator from new york kirsten gel lalabrant. they expect the waiver to go through. and for the "new yorker," cnn political commentator, and a political correspondent for politico. looking at this visitor roster. john bolton is visiting. what are we thinking about john bolton and his place in all of this? >> to me, it suggests a real departure foreign policy-wise than where trump has been on
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many issues. john bolton comes out of the so-called neoconservative wing of the republican party. extremely interventionist. favors bombing iran. wants to tear up the iran nuclear deal. a huge supporter of the iraq war, obviously trump claims was a complete disaster. and just a much more -- >> he did support it at one time. before he said he did not. >> but he's turned into a very non interventionist republican, trump, much closer to the libertarian wing of the party and bolton is the opposite. bolton and romney, all, are more intervention s than trump. his choices, i mean, one of the things it's showing, it's hard for him to find people ideologically in the republican party for where he is. >> and a very important position of secretary of state. he doesn't have this out there, this announcement yet, is that hindering him when it comes to national security? we've seen him do a number of calls with foreign leaders. some have not gone well,
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hyperbole, diplomats are baffled. does he need to get that done soon? >> i think he does. i think actually, though, it's somewhat encouraging that people, when i talk with folks on the hill, he is taking as much time. look at the bolton thing. i don't know how serious it is. he has a tendency to speak with people on tv a lot to talk with. bolton is the darling of the fox right. not too surprising he throws him into the mix, particularly when names that emerged so far right now in terms of the lead are mitt romney and david petraeus. bolton is a counterbalance to that. so this might just be trump checking a particular box, or it could send a signal as ryan indicated, a hardening and move to the right. >> north dakota democrat heidi heitkamp, apparently considered for maybe interior secretary or energy secretary. if she are to leave, because she's in a red state you could see a republican senator, would see republican senator appointed
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obviously helping republicans. is that part of the calculus here? what do you think? >> oh, yeah. >> that's the only thing? i mean is that really the only thing you see going in there? or they're trying to get some midwest support? obviously a conservative -- >> she's a woman and sort of a diversity in the names seen so far, but this is classic senate power politics. we saw obama play around with this a bit. eventually poached ray la hood from the house. >> transportation. >> his transportation chief. this is just -- just good, old fashioned, power politics. i wonder what he'll offer the senator from west virginia? >> exactly right. heitkamp aligned with the manchin small group of senators that don't always go along with senators. very much in the middle there. >> and trump won by a huge margin. heitkamp is up in 2019. democrats in the senate have a very bad -- defending a lot of senators from red states, and if you're heitkamp looking at
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options, run for re-election in a state where trump won huge, or maybe join the trump administration, do something new. that's got to be appealing. >> you heard jessica snyder talking about the waiver for general mattis. looking like that's not going to be a problem. is that basically your understanding at this point? >> i mean, i think it's too early to tell. one of the things this election has proven, be careful with predictions. things change. >> predict nothing. >> look, it's interesting that senator gillibrand came out with a strong statement saying no. we have civilian control of the military and i don't want a general as defense secretary. he has a lot of other important allies including robert gates, a staunch defender of civilian control of military and john mccain, but we'll have a big debate what it means to have a military -- a general as defense secretary and you nover know where that debate can go. >> one thing about gillibrand, using it as leverage to deal with her signature issue, sexual
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harassment in the military, standing out there in opposition gives her a little muscle on this. >> the donald trump cincinnati rally, talk about that. and this is something he said certainly at this point, talked about uniting the country, but then he said this yesterday. >> although we did have a lot of fun fighting hillary. didn't we? [ cheers ] right? [ chanting "lock her up" ] >> so the first part i actually thought was pretty -- for donald trump, met with a chant of "lock her up." so you're looking at this interaction, looking at how he wee sponds responds to this. thoughts? >> this is the do a lot. his presidency, see it placing out in cabinet picks. does he play to this base represents from polling 36%, 38%
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of the public. remember, for him to get to 46%, don't forget, she has 48% of the vote, he has 46% nationally. to get there, one-third of his voters disapproved of him. it is unprecedented. not only doesn't have a mandate still has majority of americans disapprove of him. for him to go directly back to his base, make him feel good and clearly he feels really good there, but does it really serve him in the long term politically? >> he needs to stretch. does he realize that? we didn't see him realize that during the campaign. ultimately didn't need it, but in order to achieve the popular vote win he would have needed that stretch he didn't do. >> in an unusual position for a president-elect. 54% of the country voted for someone else tofor presidents a his approval rating, a little more of a bump he's getting and -- and made decisions that arguably go against his base. a lot of billionaire and wall street folks coming into the
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cabinet that doesn't comport with the drain the swamp message. he's also i think to his credit said he's not going to, you know, ask the justice department to appoint a special prosecutor to go after and look into the hillary e-mail investigation. that was a campaign promise. something the rallies, it was important at rallies. a mature decision he did that, but he's -- he's someone that also thrives on those public rallies, and he's got to keep his own base energized if he wants to, early next year, get his agenda through. >> see as we move forward. they care about some of the promises he's not backing up, and may very well not. thank you to both of you. up next, why do they call him "mad dog"? preside president-elect trump's choice to lead the forces. i'll talk to a general who knows him very well, coming up.
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general." trump had some fun making the announcement last night in cincinnati. >> we are going to appoint mad dog mattis -- as our secretary of defense. but we're not announcing it until monday, so don't tell anybody. >> oh, shoot. well, we heard it. didn't we? and our military analyst major general james spdr marks knows the general personally and also with us, jim sciutto. general, tell us a little about general mattis and your perspective on this pick. >> jim mattis is a mag any of send leader. he's always the smartest guy in the room, and the most well-prepared guy in the room but his behavior would belie that. he's not going to tell you that, but you'll figure it out in no
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time. he's intraspective, focused -- the way i described jim mattis, the guy to take you to the objective, desired end state and walk back from that and everybody's going to figure how to lyn rhe lyn r linearly get there. >> and you don't often hear a description of blunt or -- jim sciutto, of course. but -- so straight-talking. >> yeah. >> but very thoughtful and not going to mince words. right? >> the thing about generals today, spdr marks in that category. you go out in the field or in the pentagon, today's generals are the most educated people i know. i'll tell you. more masters degrees than anybody i know. i mean, when you go through the military, and i love the folks -- they're not armchair generals. right? two ongoing wars and all have served in combat. they have a combination of
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education and combat experience, and the military has done this on purpose. they want world thinkers. thought the way, rethought the way pe fight war. right? you have a whole host of challenges you didn't have before and different kinds of adversaries. he is certainly in that category. the guy is extremely well-read but also mad dog. right? he was the guy in charge during the bloodiest battle of the iraq war in fallujah, and it's really -- i mean, in a way almost a perfect combination. wouldn't you say? >> i do, but i think, knowing jim mattis, he's probably -- not going to shy away from that but wouldn't advertise that. the fact he's got this moniker. that's not what he's about. he is about accomplishing a task. it's more about us, never about me. that's what i love about jim mattis. >> you served with him during a time of war specifically 2003. tell us about that and if you have any specific memories or examples that you can discuss with us about just his leadership style? you talked about the example of
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how he sort of brings people along to about objective. what else do we know about him? >> brianna, i became an immediate fan of jim mattis when he and i sat down for thanksgiving dinner in advance of our liberation of iraq. so in november of 2002, before we went to war, jim mattis and i had a great opportunity to have dinner together. along with a number of his marines. i was invited to his table. this is an airudiet thoughtful and by the way, hi marines loved him. not somebody who walked in the room and assumed control or command of the room. he was somebody that would blend into the room and every marine in his presence truly respected and honored the type of person, the leader and knew they were in good hands. they knew they were at risk. they wanted to be there with him during this period of crisis that we were moving into. >> it's unusual for the secdef
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to be a military man. normally it's a civilian or someone out of the military some time. he's going to require a waiver. >> right. >> the expectation is that may not be too much of a problem? but just tell us about how unusual this is. >> it's so unusual it's only happened once before. 1950. this rule was instituted in 1947, when you had your first secretary of defense, because before then it was secretary of war and they combined the navy department. anyway, water under the bridge historically. but only once before in 1954, general marshall, when he became secretary of defense. there's a reason for that. because historic -- going back to george washington times, right? you want to have civilians controlling the military. that's the nature of our democracy. so that seven-year window, to have separation between the uniformed ranks and the people running the pentagon. so you need a waiver. he's been out is it three, four. >> three years? >> short of that. so when you hear from
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republicans and democrats who say they respect him and in this case, this is not going to be -- not the fight they battle. adam schiff said earlier on our air he wants to ask him questions, ask general mattis, how do you rectify that? this is a concern. if anybody's going to answer that question, it will be mattis. because he's thought about it, written about this very issue. >> largely positively received. a very interesting pick. thank you so much, general marks, jim sciutto, appreciate it. up next, jobs, jobs, jobs. 178,000 of them, to be exact. the november unemployment report is hot off the presses, and is it good enough to finally push the fed to start pushing up interest rates? we'll talk about that.
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even amid an election shocker america kept hiring the new jobs report showing the unemployment rate a record low for the obama administration showing 178,000 jobs were created in november. the unemployment rate dropping to the lowest mark in nine years. just to put this in context, around the time of the 2008 election president obama was inheriting an unemployment rate around 8%. now he seems to be leaving behind a more robust economy. one witnessing decent momentum across the spectrum. check this out. auto sales, home prices, gdp showing signs of growth. discussing this with diane swaunk, thanks for being with us. looking at these numbers. what was your reaction? >> well, they were good numbers. it was a solid report and good enough for the federal reserve to rate rates as they plan to in december for the second time in a year. i think the hiccup in the wages
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we saw that was not as strong in a report is just that a hiccup and we'll see a bounceback getting into december. there is special factors there, but overall, the economy continues to heal. the question is, is it enough? and, of course, even though that 4.6% was the lowest rate since august of 2007, it doesn't quite mean the same thing as it did in 2007. the other measures of unemployment, including those marginalized since the crisis have come down as well to 9.3%, but are still about a percent above what they were prior to the crisis. >> okay. so tell us about that. because when you look at the election result, and there were a lot of people who felt even if they're looking at these numbers going up, they're not feeling that, so that number you just spoke to reflects that. >> exactly. so the gap between the unemployment rate and sort of people who have had to take either part-time jobs are discouraged. it really is a more overall
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stress measure of up employment still at 9.3% down from what it had been but not down to where we were, reflecting underlying discontent we saw during the election. also, wages, even though they're up and have been moving up over the last year, they're not up a lot. we all know that wage gains have been somewhat stagnant. the biggest wage gains we've actually seen have been in minimum wages in those states, in local economies where they've enacted and increase in minimum wages and are showing up in places like leisure and hospitality. not helping if you once had a much higher paying job moving down to a min much wage job paying more than a year ago but not nearly what it was. >> what does this mean for president-elect donald trump looking into next month and coming into power? >> that he's coming in with a better economic situation and one that's likely to continue to get better, as the year progresses. no mat kwhater what he does.
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not no matter what. could do some damaging things on trade. even doing nothing, the economy is poised to continue to improve albeit in fits and starts. what he'd like to see, more even improvement. what the federal reserve is looking at if they were to do a lot of fiscal stimulus, they might tip the scales and we might get more inflation and not as -- have an overheating economy, which would also be uncomfortable. i would like a little warmer growth and i think we'll get a little warmer growth, but policy matters and the composition of policy choices the next president makes and the next congress. how he gets congress to adropt the policy changes will really affect our future t. will matter. we'll talk to you as we go through that and be doing temperature checks as you talk about the economy being a little warmer. all right, diane swonk, thank you so much. really appreciate it. >> thank you. and turning now to something that might sound familiar. donald trump holding a raucous rally as supporters chant "lock
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her up." meantime, clinton aides and trump aides at each others throats. take the time machine back to act, no. this is happening one month after donald trump was elected president. discuss now with mike shields, president of the congressional leadership fund and the rnc's former chief of staff and also with us, cnn political commentator symone sanders a democratic strategist, served as national press secretary for bernie sanders' campaign. okay. so 4r5 so, last night donald trump's campaign manager, final one, kellyanne conway and jennifer palmieri, hillary clinton's campaign director talking about the election. things got really raw. let's listen. >> if providing a plaid form for white supremists makes me a brilliant -- brilliant tactician, i am glad -- i would rather lose than win the way you did. >> do you think i ran a platform white supremacist had a
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platform? you'll look me in the face and say that. >> it d. you guys -- >> white working class voters? >> wow. i mean, this is what people -- this is what people in washington are talking about. this is the buzz. what was your reaction? >> well, there has been a lack of accountability on the part of the democrats and the clinton campaign and really up and down up through the party, through the entire election. hillary clinton was a historically terrible candidate. her unfavorable numbers through the roof are and her party was never able to acknowledge that. seats lost, senate seats lost even after the election don't want to acknowledge. you know what? we got this wrong. didn't talk to the right voters, didn't go to wisconsin. there were voters, we got 5 million fewer voters than barack obama did. they will obama voters in places like michigan that switched to trump, yet a month amp election, campaign people are saying this is about racism and giving a platform for white supremacist. a kpleen utter tone deafness and lack of accountabilities and
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their party has to ask tough questions and clearly are not ready to doing that yet. they want to blame other people for it. >> you think hillary clinton was the worst thing since sliced bread and that's absolutely not true. we do have issues. real miscalculations in this election. notably, people did not turn out millennials, talk directly to millennials, millennials of color. didn't make white working class voters connected with other working class voters. there are black working class voters, latino, asian, african-american, the fact is, white supremacy was given a platform brought into the mainstream thanks in part to steve bannon we breitbart. i stand behind that part of what she said. >> may i challenge both of you on this? these two allegations are not mutually exclusive, and i wonder, for republicans and certainly for those in donald trump's immediate orbit, when
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you win, there is this -- push against maybe wondering what you could have done better, because you won. and yet -- isn't it also true that donald trump and those around him may not have disavowed this white nationalism, phleb -- neb beaux his group of people supporting him and that maybe hillary clinton wasn't a strong candidate and didn't connect with voters? >> first to say electorate told you what they wanted during the primary. wanted to talk about the issues. care about the economy, but care about social deficit things we want to tell you our plan. i worked for the bernie sanders campaign. he did that. clearly not enough to win the broad swath of the democratic primary but spoke directly to them. the clinton campaign didn't talk directly to millennials. real miscalculations on that part, but unequivocal there was
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elements of racism, of discrimination, of white supremacy and i would just like donald trump, again, use the twitter fingers. he has attacked everybody from the "new york times" to hillary clinton and bernie sanders, but we have yet to hear him talk about white sprupremacism. >> he said it last night in his speech. 60 million people -- >> we're talking about the election -- >> but 60 million people voted for donald trump. working through the rnc ground game are now -- the other side would rather paint all of these voters as if there were some sort of alt right takeover of the party, when that's -- >> i don't think -- i just want to be clear. i want to be clear. that is -- >> fidel castro in the last couple of weeks that the democrats -- >> that is -- i want to be clear nap is not the point of what i am saying. i am not saying that all of donald trump's supporters should be -- >> when her reaction to the entire election is, well, you know why we lost? you gave a platform for these
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groups. that's absurd. that is painting a broad brush to every republican, trump voter in the country and ruins think credibility in the argument. >> i want to play something else. you make a good point. this is not just one reason why things went down the way -- this is a complex situation, which is why the election surprised everybody and resulted as it did. listen to kellyanne conway and one of hillary clinton's chief strategists. >> listen, listen, you guys won. that's clear. you won the electoral college. also be honest. don't act as fi you have a popular mandate for your message. the fact of the meater is more americans voted for hillary clinton than donald trump. so let's put it in -- >> there is nothing that said the road to popular vote anywhere, hey, guys, we won. you don't have to respond. seriously? why is there no mandate? >> wait. >> hold on. you've lost 60 congressional seats since president obama got there, a dozen governor, 1,000 legislative seats.
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you said there's no mandate? >> i have to say when it comes to the completion of the democratic party does kellyanne conway have a point? >> look, the democratic party we have to build a bench and need to focus on party building, on reaching out, finding viable young robust candidates, and that necessarily hasn't been the case over the last eight years. i'm not blaming barack obama or saying our message isn't working. we immediate 0 build a bench. >> and a point that donald trump did not win the popular vote and got a historically low amount of support here? >> we don't have a popular vote election. score is run up in places like california. we have a margartarget state el. the message resonated -- absolutely a mandate and barack obama's lost over 1,000 state legislative seats since he's been in office. put all that together a clear mending not just for donald trump but for republicans in washington now. >> i beg to differ. >> i think you're both making good points and i think there's a lot of introspection that needs to happen own both sides. city it does.
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mr. trump ma made it a company that was thinking of going to mexico, able to stay here in the united states. want to stay here in the united states. >> carrier. referring to carrier. >> yes, yes, carrier, yes. >> carrier air conditioner. >> yes. >> keep 1,000 of their jobs here in indiana. some will go to mexico, but 1,000 workers will stay here. that's a coup. we don't know that much about the deal. what they were offered in order to keep the jobs here. do you want to know more about that? >> you know, from the beginning, donald trump had said that he was going to make fantastic deals, and he was going to persuade companies to invest in america, and invest in the american people. okay? he's proven that early on. >> so if they were given some sort of financial inducement to stay here, let's say they were subsidized somehow, would that bother you? >> no. it wouldn't bother me. the key right now and trump's primary focus is putting the
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american people first. that's all he cares about. trump in a lot of ways reminds me of a hero of mine, which is general patton. okay? i think since world war ii, there hasn't been a hero for america like patton was, and i think trump is the new hero for america. >> but, john if there were some sort of subsidy given, we don't know what the deal is, if there was, i thought the free market didn't pick winners or losers? >> remember that. >> i remember that well, but i think a lot of businesses and things we do in this country is subsidized from petroleum to many companies, government contracts. >> so are you as conservatives okay with that? the subsidies? >> no subsidizing. i can almost guarantee you he wasn't subsidizing the carrier company. >> there are empty factories everywhere, somebody should have taken the initiative to save those companies and have them stay here and -- >> conflicts of interest.
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so mr. trump has something like 144 businesses, all around the world. does anyone have any concern that that will complicate his dealings in the white house? >> no. >> not at all. >> no. he's got a, a family that, i mean, when you look at these folks, when you look at his kids talk about raised right, or he's going to release the business interests to them. okay? because they're totally capable. there's not going to be a conflict of interests because leez not going to be directly involved. >> okay. just -- help me understand this. substitute the word aivanka" for chelsea clinton, and if chelsea clinton were going to be running the clinton global initiative or the clinton foundation, why would that have bothered you, if hillary had won, why would that have been a conflict of interests? >> because chelsea is the product of government. she's the product of parents who have done nothing but make money off the people, and in government and in politics. >> well, they made money after
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he left the presidency. and he sold books and he gave speeches. donald trump has made money from -- selling books and -- >> never involved in politics and nerve her that political background. >> why is it that you're totally comfortable with donald trump's family being able to have these other business interests that we deal with in terms of u.s. policy, and that's okay, but it wouldn't be okay for bill and chelsea clinton to have had that same deal? explain it. >> i think because mr. trump disclosed his so-called conflicts around the world. >> how? >> well, by coming out and saying that he owns some of the best real estate and some of the best businesses in the world. >> doesn't release his taxes. so you don't know exactly what the level of connection is to some of these places. >> and what's the purpose of releasing his taxes anyway? >> to see the conflicts in interest. >> i don't agree with that. i don't think that shows up. >> he wasn't in politics.
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next year i'd reilike to see hi tax return as president. right now he's private. i'd like to see every member of congress show us every tax return to prove they're paying their taxes, because we know some of these hypocrites down in washington don't pay taxes. >> it comes down to trust. people trust donald trump. okay? even if they don't admit to it, because, again, their party affiliation, they, behind closed doors, trust him. trust him as a businessman. he's had a solid career. people do not trust hillary clinton. >> no. >> genuinely, know she's crooked hillary. >> and she violates that trust. >> the husband is -- >> basically you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and if you find out. >> if he violated that trust, then we'll feel differently. >> donald trump is not doing this to become rich like the clintons and a lot of other corrupt politicians. he's doing this for the sole reason to make america great again. coming up, a self-help retreat that went terribly
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a one-time self-help guru, successful one, trying to make a comeback, despite going to prison after some people died following his advice. shot to fame on talk shows teemping a philosophy of physical discomfort to overcome adversity. convicted the negligent homicide after three deaths in his sweat lodge retreat, ray is free and wants to get back in the game. a new and fascinating cnn film follows james arthur ray's rise and fall. it's called "enlighten us" premiering on cnn this weekend. here's a look. >> it was so, so, so intense. you couldn't breathe. in the fourth round i said, i had had enough and i crawled over and james is out the door. he's like, beverly, you can do this. you can do this. you're stronger than this. you can get through this.
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>> as a good mentor that they paid me to be, i would say, come on now. come on. you can do this. can't you? come on. you can, stick it out. i would encourage them. like, yeah. okay, okay. >> what am i doing here? why am i putting myself through this? what is the point of me, you know, sitting here with all of these other people? and is it worth it? >> i had to leave. but then i was sitting there blaming myself. like, golly. is there something wrong with me that i wasn't able to, like, stick it out? >> yes, there were people having a hard time, but every year there were people having a hard time. you know? to me, it was no different than running a marathon. >> glad to have the filmmaker behind "enlighten us" with me here. thanks for talking to us about this. that, you hear that gentleman say, it was like running a marathon.
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certainly with know and also know there are risks with that as well, but certainly there were many risks with what happened here. and there's a lot of interest now in james arthur ray. why does he think that people are going to follow him again? >> it's a great question. i think that he thinks he has a lot to say after having been through this experience. and i -- i think if you ask him, he would probably tell you that. >> okay. so he has a lot to say, but he's someone who -- was found responsible for three people who died at his retreat. does he feel responsibility for that? >> you know, i -- again, the question you would have to ask him. i think he -- he says he's responsible. he uses those words that he's responsible, whether or not he feels responsible he has to say for himself. but i think these using that language. >> okay. what do we learn from him in the
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film about his perspective on what happened and how that relates to him going forward? >> sure. well, in the film, you see him looking at this experience as something that's happened to him. and you -- you hear him talk about this experience as something that he has had to overcome in his life. and what i found when i was filming him, he's done several speaking engagements, since we started filming with him is that that's what he is trying to communicate to his, to his audience is that, he's -- learned from this experience and he is trying to get on with his career. because of it. >> okay. so that strikes me. which you say that he talks about this as something that has happened to him. we know -- when you -- you mean, like, the deaths of these individuals? or -- going to jail? because when you say that, and if that's really how he is characterizing it, it seems to me that that could be by some
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people, i'm assuming they look at that and feel that is something that could be pretty nars sich narcissistic, talking about people who have died? >> you're right. the point is have audience members watch and what he says and behaves and come to their own conclusions. i certainly made a film that's? ing a lot of questions. not necessarily answering them for you. the idea of the film is that you can watch james and you can hear what he has to say, and come to that decision yourself. he does talk about the experience of the sweat lodge and also the experience of going to prison as something that he's learned from. i mean, exactly what you said. so he is -- using those experiences in his -- in his talks which you'll watch throughout the film as way to try to connect with his audience. >> and i certainly do appreciate that this is something that you've sort of asked the questions and are letting people judge for themselves. when he reflects back on what
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happened, does he -- the idea of the sweat lodge. is that something that still factors into something that he thinks should be practice as he moves forward? >> he has said on camera that he would not practice the sweat lodge moving forward. i you know -- i don't know what he will do, and i have to take him at his word, but he has said that. publicly. >> yeah. it's really fascinating. this film, jenny parchman, the filmmaker behind this. we really appreciate this. i'm finding this incredibly interesting talking to you. i'm not going to miss this. 8:00 p.m. eastern on saturday and we appreciate you sharing this with us. thank you. >> thank you so much. thanks. and thank you so much for watching "newsroom." "wolf" starts, right after a quick break. but thanks to fingerhut.com, we can shop over 700,000 items from brands like samsung, kitchenaid and lego.
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