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but every year there were people having a hard time. you know -- to me it was no different than running a marathon. >> "enlighten us: the rise and fall of james arthur ray" premieres on cnn tomorrow night at 8:00 eastern. thanks for watching. have a great weekend. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts now. it has been more than 30 years since a president did what donald trump did today. this is "cnn tonight." i am don lemon. no american president or president-elect has spoken directly with the leader of taiwan since 1979. today president-elect trump did just that, a move likely to infuriate china and already has some u.s. lawmakers crying foul. what is behind it? trump meets with more cabinet hopefuls one day after picking general james mad dog mattis as his secretary of defense. i'll ask our team of generals what they think. if the economy is so good, why does it feel so bad? i'm going to ask money maven
dave ramsey. live at trump tower this evening with the latest breaking news, sun lin, give us the latest on the trump transition. who is meeting -- who he's meeting with and morallies planned? >> reporter: another day of the revolving door at trump tower, don. president-elect donald trump meeting with former defense secretary robert gates and ambassador john boulden. the most intriguing is senator heidi heitkamp, north dakota senator, red state democrat that is in potential consideration for potentially energy secretary. of course, her potential choice would send shock waves among democrats on capitol hill, given the threat that her choosing, she could be replaced by a republican senator. going forward into next week, donald trump will be having a lot less time at trump tower. ease going to be hitting the road, holding more installments
of his thank you tour across the country, those campaign-style rallies that we saw kick off last night in cincinnati, ohio. the transition team confirming that trump will be stapping in fay vetville, north carolina, on tuesday and des moines, iowa on thursday. it's clear he's enjoying these rallies and clear that he's not backing away from that trademark style we saw during the campaign. >> sunlen, donald trump is making headlines over a call he had with the president of taiwan. what's that all about? >> that's right. this is breaking with nearly four decades of diplomatic practi practice. can be and already is seen as being an affront to china. the transition confirming the call did take place between president-elect donald trump and the president of taiwan and the two people about the "close economic, political, and security ties that exist between taiwan and the u.s." but certainly this is raising a lot of eyebrows. there already has been in the short time since the call was confirmed, already an uproar,
certainly questions whether this call is indicating potentially a shift in strategy on the mind of the incoming administration. and trump paying attention to that tonight. he took to twitter saying in one tweet, the president of taiwan called me, emphasis on called me, to wish me congratulations on winning the presidency. thank you. trump trying to downplay the significance of this call, casting it as a more congratulatory call. but we do know china is reacting tonight. >> fareed zakaria, host of "gps," i want to get your take on this surprising phone call between the president-elect and the taiwanese president. it is believed to be the first official contact with a taiwanese president since 1979. this is a breach of protocol? or something bigger? >> it's much larger than a breach of protocol.
you have to understand, we don't recognize -- the united states does not recognize taiwan as a count country. that was part of the deal of the normalization of relations with china. it's not just the united states that does not, there are only 20 countries in the the world that recognize taiwan. countries like burkina faso in africa. swas zil land. i think the vatican has relations with taiwan. nobody else has formal diplomatic relations of that kind. so this was all part of the effort to bring china in from the cold, worked out by henry kissinger. the shanghai communique, we'd sell arms to taiwan, we signalled to china they could never militarily attack taiwan, but in return we would not deal with taiwan as if it were a country. if you're going to change that,
okay, there's an argument for changing that four decades old policy. but you would hope that there was a plan, there was some thought, there was consultation with the pentagon, with the state department, with the cia. you wouldn't want to wing this. >> so don't we sort of unofficially sort of recognize them? or no? >> no. we do not recognize them as a country. we have relations but not country to country, ambassador to ambassador level. as i say, it's all part of this very complicated package of things. you know, this is nation number one for china. china has always regarded its foreign relations, first most important thing, you have to recognize there is only one china. >> that's why they called the white house. >> yeah, and with other countries, they have done much more. they have taken this to the u.n. security council, they've vetoed resolutions. we need china for lots of things. u.n. security council sanctions against iran, all that kind of thing. again, as i say, i'm not against
putting more pressure on china. if you know what your goal is, what the plan is, why you're doing this. the idea that you just accept a call -- i would guarantee you that there are about 200 country in the world, they have all called to congratulate donald trump. he hasn't taken all those calls. to take a call like this is a strategic act. it's not something you wing. >> so the transition team also, they put some readouts there. but this is what donald trump said. this is from twitter. he said, interesting how the u.s. sells taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment, but i should not accept a congratulatory call. what do you think? >> it is interesting. and it's part of this very complicated formula that was devised by the nixon administration, a republican administration, four decades ago. if he had talked to a state department briefer for five minutes before the call they would have explained, this was the whole nature of the formula. >> not to pile on but is that too -- that is too simplistic to
say, we do this but don't do that? >> as i say, if you want to break with it, fine. but i'd like to know that there was some thought to it. i tell you one other piece of it. kellyanne conway told anderson, revealing moment, she said the president-elect is allowed to have private conversations with foreign leaders. >> let's play that. >> it's a matter of the executive committee, it's a matter of the president-elect, the vice president-elect, other advisers to the transition, making suggestions. and we're happy to schedule the calls. there's a very orderly process. we make sure there is plenty of time for those phone calls, that there's proper briefing. and so far, they've just gone really well. he at least is having these private conversations, giving a readout here and there about them. but not trying to make policy, not trying to make waves, until he's actually the president in 6 1/2 weeks. >> private conversations. but trying not to make policy. what's your reaction? >> right, she said a couple of times in that interview that
these are private phone calls. the president-elect of the united states doesn't get to have private phone calls at this point. that's why traditionally you have always had a state department note-taker. let me give you a simple thing one has to wonder about. does the trump organization have business interests in taiwan? were any of those discussed? we know that the philippines president, duterte, had a conversation with president-elect trump. the trump organization does have business interests in the philippines. in fact, duterte, the president of the philippines, appointed as his special envoy trump's business partner. now in order to be sure that donald trump is engaging in -- is doing deals for the american people and not the trump organization, it would sure be great if there were a state department note-taker who was there. if these calls are entirely private, it's difficult to know what's going on. as i said, there's no evidence of it, but one of the reasons presidents as far back as i can
remember have always had note-takers on these calls is because you want a historical record. you want to be clear. the american government needs to know what -- you can keep it secret from the american people if it's secret diplomatic stuff, but surely you want a system in place where the rest of the government has some awareness there was a phone call. >> i'm sure you're aware who ari fleischer is, former white house press secretary, he tweeted out, oh-oh, i want even allowed to refer to the government of taiwan. i could say government of taiwan -- government on taiwan, china would go nuts. and then he tweeted, don't misrepresent what i'm saying, so long as trump called knowing it would change the status quo, i'm fine with it. i hope it was by design. so he tweeted the chinese president called him. he's sort of saying similarly what you're saying. as long as he knows that maybe he's changing protocol or policy, he's fine with it. but he said he couldn't even refer to them as a government, couldn't even refer to them. >> this is the number one issue for china.
and so if you're changing a four decades old policy, let's be sure that you understand what you're doing. you'd want to brief your allies. the united states for the last four decades has asked and ensured that its allies follow the same policy as it does. so britain, france, germany don't do this. now, if you're going to go out and do this and they quietly will now start making secret deals with china, that's not a great deal for the american people. then we've gone out on a limb and left open this space where everyone else is going to cozy up with china. you just need to think this stuff through. it's very high-stakes diplomacy. >> he tweeted out that time when the president called him, we're learning it was facilitated by some of his advisers. >> well, and again, there are rumors it was by some business associates or people who have had business in china. who knows. the point is that's why you want the government of the united states to be doing this. the state department to be doing this. you don't want there to be suspicions that your business partners are facilitating conversations between you and
heads of state. >> i want to play something. this is from donald trump's speech last night where he talked about the u.s. position in the world. listen. >> there is no global anthem, no global currency, no certificate certificate of global citizenship. we pledge allegiance to one flag and that flag is the american flag. >> usa! usa! >> from now on, it's going to be america first. okay? america first. global is wonderful. but right now we want to focus on our national community. never again will anyone's interests come before the interests of the american people. it's not going to happen again. >> what's your reaction to that? concerned, encouraged? >> look, it's clearly been part
of his appeal, that he is going to take care of america. the odd thing is, every american president has done that. the united states has not ceded its sovereignty to the world. the united states is the strongest country in the world. a lot of other countries have had to give away or negotiate parts of their sovereignty in order to get good deals. the u.s. has the dominant currency. we do have the global currency in the world. so to my mind it's kind of cheap rhetoric because the reality wes benefit enormously from this global order that we created. our currency is at the center of the it. our markets are at the center of the it. we set the entire agenda. so, you know, it's a great line. but you know what, 5% of the world's population, we are able to set the agenda for the other 95%. you really want to give that all up? for a couple of applause lines in the midwest? >> it's going to be an interesting couple of years. thank you farks read.
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you so much. we appreciate your service. thank you for your service. first of all, i want to get all of you, i want everyone to give their take on donald trump's call with the president of taiwan. he is breaking with decades of u.s. policy on china. does this concern you? >> concerns me greatly. having studied china for quite some time, in fact, i was a young chinese foreign area officer for a while. this is very, very troubling. it smacks of a level of naivete, and also you don't want to flip the bird to china. we need china moving forward, primarily in our relationships with trying to establish relationships with north korea. a nuclear north korea. >> i spent time in china, don. what i'll tell you, prior to going there, over a two-week period of time as part of a national war college trip, we studied china for a year. talked about their relationship between china and taiwan. thought of about 100 pro and con reasons why we should or should
not have the taiwanese defense act and the shanghai communique and the relationships with china the way they were. it is very complicated. and to have a policy that kind of throws that out the window is one thing. but it should be discussed with secretaries of state, state department, defense department, and get some concurrence on it. i would also say what's interesting is it's happening during a period when there's another president still in office. if mr. trump wants to do this, he probably needs to wait for these kinds of things to change policy before he actually takes the inaugural oath. >> admiral williams? >> well, it's -- i think how soon learning as he goes. it's a change for him. positions he's had in the past. taiwan made a phone call to him, he took the call, he listened. i think he's open to hearing from different people. but, you know, agree there is some diplomacy here. maybe some concern with china that's going to have to be dealt with.
but you know, let's just see how this plays out. give him a chance. >> just so you know, we are learning that the call was associa associated by some of his advisers. could this escalate tension in the asia-pacific? the contested south china sea, for example? >> i think it will -- it could potentially in the south china sea -- i think china's been going their own route there. i'm more concerned truthfully with relationships with north korea. how japan sees this. how other nations in asia see this kind of an approach where it's an unknown communique without informing allies that are dependant on these kind of relationships. so it is more than just a tete-a-tete with one other country. whenever you have communications like this you have to consider the whole of the alliance and the strategy writ large. those are some of the things that mr. obama has been slammed for that he hasn't had coherent
strategies. this is a one-on-one nation communique that is just not good for that part of the world. >> admiral williams, same question. do you worry about the contested south china sea, for example? >> i do, there's $5 trillion of trade that flow through the straits in the south china sea area. i guess some time ago, president obama has been a little bit -- i guess more acquiescing to china's demands. it happened in the -- it's happened in a couple of different areas. and i think that donald trump in a sense is kind of standing up to china and saying, it's not going to be business as usual. so it is change. >> i hope it's not business as usual. vis-a-vis china. we have to make a strategic decision, a policy decision. policy drives strategy. is whether we're going to compete, or whether we're going to cooperate with china. and we haven't fundamentally
reached that agreement. and there must be very specific trust-building measures that we take on. and clearly we have to do it with our navy. sea lines of communications remain open because the united states navy, thank you very much. we have to coordinate with china to figure out if we want to cooperate or whether we're going to continue to compete. it's a much broader question. as mark indicated it has all those parties involved and it focuses -- because the tinder box is north korea. >> don what i'd also say too, there is the national security approach to all of this, having to do with what our navy does in the south china sea what we're doing on land forces in korea and other places. but there's also the business aspect of this. and mr. trump will likely face some type of crisis in the early days of his presidency. one of those things he might face is a cyber attack. and we know parts of the world where those kinds of attacks come from. one of those parts of the world
is china. there's also the potential for a loss of increased intellectual property if china doesn't feel they can trust us in terms of dealing with taiwan. so these are business approachesed to this part of the world that we have to consider as well as the national security approach. >> general marks, let's talk about donald trump's pick for secretary of defense. james "mad dog" mattis. >> i don't want to tell you this. because i want to save the suspense for next week. we are going to appoint "mad dog" mattis as our secretary of defense. they say he's the closest thing to general george patton that we have, and it's about time. it's about time. >> so general marks, he has served 44 years in the marine corps. you say he's a great choice, why? >> i think he's a wonderful
choice. jim mattis is incredibly prepared, focused leader. he's not an incrementalist. jim is very much a student of history, a voracious reader. we've all talked that and understand that. shelves of books he has, he's actually read. and so what he brings to bear is a sense that if we've got a requirement, a mission that's clear, and we can align ourselves, we need to determine what that looks like, line up everything that needs to be in place, then in a very precise and very described amount of time, accomplish that task. and not get into incremental decisions as you go along. of course there will always be conditions that will change. you have to be adoptable to that. but jim will ensure -- remember, the secretary of defense has command and control authority over forces. the chairman does not. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. so the secretary of defense will have to be very clear and very precise and that's what jim
writes to the table. >> what is his world view? how is he going to deal with more aggressive russia, isis, nato, et cetera, admiral? >> well, he has a nato background. he believes in a strong nato. with russia, he has concerns about putin and his expansion plans. i think he's very aligned with trump on iran. he doesn't see that that treaty or that plan, agreement, is going to stop iran from getting a nuclear weapon. he sees it as a pause more than a conclusion to depriving them of a nuclear weapon. and i think he shares some of the same agreements with donald trump on isis and the middle east and in syria. >> general, mattis was also an outspoken critic of the iran deal as the admiral said. in 2013 he said iran was one of his top concerns. is the iran deal toast? >> i don't believe it is. i think general mattis will see that there's a broader approach to take toward this.
and he is -- he has slammed it a little bit, but at the same time, i think what you'll see in general mattis is a more mature and informed approach to strategy writ large. he will take the big problems across the globe and not just focus on small, individual nations and problems with them. he will be able to balance the approach of iran in all of the middle east, as opposed to just one country that we're dealing with. that's the important thing that i think general mattis is going to bring. and he will bring a balance to the national security council, to counterbalance some of the more extreme views from others that mr. trump has already chosen. i think all of those things are critically important. he will walk into the pentagon with a better feel than any of the previous five secretaries of defense in terms of what we need to do within the pentagon. he also has to run the department of defense than a business which is going to be challenging to do. and he's going to have to drive some different types of
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in the midst of this uproar over his phone call with the government of taiwan, president-elect donald trump is changing his tweets mid stream tweeting tonight, rexnord of indiana is moving to mexico and rather viciously firing all of its 300 workers. this is happening all over our country. no more. this as the unemployment rate dropped to 4.6% in november, getting close to what economists call full employment. so if the economy is back to full blast, why are so many americans not feeling it? let's discuss with "new york post" columnist celine zito and author of "the way back: restoring the promise of america" and he was a speechwriter for donald trump jr. at the republican convention. selena, the unemployment rate dropped to 4.6%, the lowest level since 2007. that is good news. so to many americans, why
doesn't it feel that way? >> well, you have to look down in the numbers to understand why not everyone is feeling the economic boom. so people with college education, two years or more, bachelor's degree, master's degree, so on, their unemployment rate is 2.3%. but people with only high school education and a lot of those people are in manufacturing or artisans, they work with their hands, they work in construction, the unemployment rate for them is at 8%. so they're not feeling -- there's sort of a divide there, right? and they're not feeling this same lift that people with higher education and people in technology jobs are getting. so that's why you feel this disparity. that's why, you know, people don't understand why everyone's not feeling, you know, this
boom. but they're not getting -- they're not getting the jobs at the clip, the same clip, as their educated cousins are. >> depends on the sector that you're in. >> right. >> the job sector. frank, behind that number, some less good news. millions of working-aged people have given up looking for work. are those folks trump voters? >> yeah, i think a lot of. there's a little creative accounting in terms of the unemployment number. a lot of people have given up looking. beyond that, there are other things going on. there's a concern about inequality. and there's in particular a concern about immobility. we've seemed to have grown a class society. and this had something to do with the occupy wall street movements of four or five years back. but also i think the election of donald trump. and of the parallel rise of bernie sanders. i think in both cases there was a rejection of things that had
gone on before. hillary was the candidate of the status quo. but we had two candidates trying to bust things up. and they were the people who ultimately rose to the top, almost in the case of sanders, but certainly in the case of trump. >> interesting. so frank, another question. martin savidge was at the carrier plant the other night and interviewed people after the news of the deal was announced. he didn't see a lot of celebrating. he said, i didn't see a lot of people with their arms in the air, celebrating. head says the workers have a lot of questions. whose jobs are going to be saved? will there be pay cuts? around the country i'm wondering if there's some questions tonight about this type of deal, correct? >> there are indeed. some of the republican or libertarian purists are upset at what's going on. but these are the guys who didn't get very far in the 2016 election, in the primaries. that was an older republican
party. that was i think the republican party that died in 2012. it was mitt romney's party. it was ted cruz's party. and it died. when they did the autopsy and opened things up, you know what they found, they didn't find a heart. in other words, it was a party that i think died of its own heartlessness. what trump offered was something else. a party that didn't run according to some geometric formula, right-wing principles, but a party that really cared about ordinary working americans. >> selene na, i found this interesting, sarah palin congratulated carrier employees but it was concerned about the heavy hand of government. she said, republicans oppose this, remember, instead we support competition on a level playing field, we know special interests, crony capitalism is one big fail. do you think there could be a split coming inside the republican party? >> sure, there's going to -- there could be a split. because there's two different ways of looking at this. there's the let the markets do
what they will and that's been the more traditional -- let the free markets work its way out. and then trump is more of like the new deal democrat where he gets in there, he gets involved, he tries to massage the situation. i was at carrier yesterday and i talked to a lot of the employees afterwards. and you're right, there was a caution. i mean, they were excited that the possibility of saving their jobs -- but they were also concerned, how long does this last? is this for two years? is this for five years? they understand that their way of life and their way to have a middle class life is fading away. >> but there's also another idea here that i'm hearing about, that any company in america may be able to hold the president hostage now saying, we'll send our jobs to mexico unless you give us a deal. does that concern people? >> a little bit. >> selena, then frank.
>> i mean, there could be this domino effect. that's the risk you take when you go in there and you save one company. there's always going to be what about me? what about us? why can't we be saved? so there's definitely that risk. >> frank, sorry, go ahead. >> yeah, i think my minute takeaway from sarah palin is i guess she's not going to be the secretary of veteran affairs. but there is some concern there. and in the general it's not the sort of thing the president can do all the time. i mean, it was something of a one-off. but a president's got a much bigger agenda. and he can't go on doing that. but let me mention something which i think i caught from selena's statement just now. and that is the idea that those jobs are disappearing. when i talked about income inequality, and i look the at other countries that are vastly more mobile than ours is, the standard argument is, well, you
know, it's a move to an information economy, it's skill-based technological change, all those jobs are going to die. but nevertheless, i mean, other countries that aren't exactly living in the stone age, like canada and denmark, don't have our inequality or immobility. so something else is going on. i think that's the more interesting question here. >> all right. selena, frank, thank you, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks. dave ramsay on the economy under donald trump. why he says politicians can't fix your money problems. or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. p is for privileges. find out how american express cards and services
dave ramsay is one of america's leading voices on personal finance. how does he think american workers will do under a trump presidency? david ramsay joins me now. we'll just ask him. before we ask you that direct question, though, you taped a message to your fans back in january when the primary elections were heating up, let's listen to it. >> there's nobody on news channel that's going to fix your life, there's no government program that's going to fix your life, there's no republican that if he gets elected is going to become jesus, there's no democrat if they get elected is going to be the jesus of your life and give you everything you ever wanted. it's an absolute lie and it's
been going on since man invented politics, i guess. do not let a politician, do not let a news anchor, become the hero in your story. you are the hero in your story. >> so why do you think, david, that americans pin -- that we pin our hopes on politicians? do you think that we expect politicians to fix our money problems? >> we all love a good story. we still want the lone range tore save the day and fix us. some of the trump voters wanted to do that. some of the hillary voters wanted to do that. we've always wanted a ronald reagan to come in and fix our lives. some people wanted bill clinton to fix their life. it's a misnomer. because it steals the dignity of the individual. as individuals in a free market culture, we've got the ability to get up, leave the cave, kill something, and drag it home. if our career track's not working out, we've got the ability to retool and reset our lives. when we sit back and wait on
someone in a network, you or me sitting and looking at these cameras, or we look at someone in washington to fix our lives, we always end up with a life that sucks. because no one is coming to fix your life. >> speaking of retooling. when you look at what's happening in the rust belt, when you look at maybe coal country, you know, the candidates, especially donald trump, saying you get these jobs, we're going to get your jobs back, whatever. do you think that's realistic? do you think some of those jobs won't come back because of automation and don't exist anymore? >> some of the jobs will come back if things like the environmental pressure on coal is let up under a trump administration versus a more environmental-driven, liberal administration. that's going to affect the production of coal, without a doubt. it will affect the production of oil and other things like that energy-based things. because of the energy policies coming out of washington. but at the end of the day, if you're looking at a job that
someone's been doing for 100 years, honestly, the likelihood is unless you're doing it in a boutique setting, you're probably not going to be doing that in 30 or 40 years. we are seeing a shift with the power of the internet. we're seeing a shift with the power of technology. the way i do my job, the way i do your job in broadcasting, is substantially different than it was just five years ago. much less 25 years ago when i started in talk radio. just the delivery mechanisms. they're complete lly shifted. our access to markets is different. if you don't adapt and change with that, in any industry, you're going to struggle. >> just ask the people who once made videotapes. which really doesn't exist, it's all digital now. >> exactly. >> my question was how will we fare under a donald trump presidency, the economy? so you can answer it i think in this question. he calls on the chairman of united technology and the next thing we know 800 workers are keeping their jobs.
is it fair to say that for these families, that donald trump is actually a hero in this aeir stories? >> for 800 people. there's 300 million of us out here, though. logistically, your last guest was absolutely correct. the adult of him to go around on a micro one-off basis and do these deals all over the place and single-handedly save the economy, that's ludicrous. what he can do and what a president can do realistically is set an environment, a predictable environment where business that is doing value-enhancing things to a community, that capitalism that's sanctified, capitalism that's moral, can grow. those of us that run business, i've got 600 team members, i hired 135 people last year. i need a predictable environment where government is not a tick on my backside sucking the blood out of my cash flow. then i'll create jobs for you because i want to grow my business, it's vet nature. i want to help my customers. the more customers i help, the more people i need to hire.
the same's true at cnn, at any other business out there. we're bringing value to the economy and value to the community. he just needs to create the environment where we can do that again. and then step back and let that happen. the problem i've got when is these politicians come in and say, i created jobs. there's no politician creates jobs. business creates jobs. >> it reminded me of -- what you said reminded me of -- i don't know if you heard. i quoted sarah palin when she said she was concerned about the heavy hand of government that republicans oppose this, we support competition on a level playing field because we know special interests, crony capitalism is one big fail. and you seem to be echoing wh what -- her sentiments. is that correct? >> maybe a little. i don't know if i want to be accused of agreeing with sarah or something. but bottom line is this. that's kind of a tea party line. if you want to take that. and if you want to an libertarian in the economy and say, let the free market do its thing, yeah, i'll line up and i'll march to that.
but -- because again, i know where jobs come from. i'm literally creating them. i own a business that hires people. and people, small businesses, there's 27 million small businesses in america. they need a predictable environment in the economy, and they will create jobs. you don't have to go give them stuff like they did at carrier. we'll just do it. just don't take stuff from us, that's all we're asking. >> dave ramsey, when we come right back i want to know what advice would you give to president-elect donald trump? we'll be right back. and the best deals are on the best network. (both) yes! (vo) with no surprise overages, you can use your data worry free and even carry over the data you don't use. and right now get four lines and 20 gigs for only $40 per line. and, just for the holidays, get a samsung galaxy s7 edge for only $15 per month. no trade-in required. i love you in that, no, i love you in that. no, i love you in that! (vo) hurry, these offers end soon.
improve the lives of working class voters, dave ramsey is back with me. dave, let's say that i'm one of the workers in indiana whose job isn't safe, it's going to mexico. what can i do to make sure i don't fall behind financially? >> the first thing you've got to do, if you're unemployed, you have to put up the four walls. you take any job you can temporarily to keep food on the table, keep the lights and water on, keep the house payment paid, food, shelter clothing transportation utilities. we counsel and work with people every day that have gone through unemployment spouts.
on the short term, take any job you can. on the long-term, think about your career track. gosh, i'm 50 years old, the thing i've been doing is gone. what am i going to do. if you're 50 years old and doing this, most people make the most money of their lives in the decade of their 50s. sometimes it's from what we call an encore career. where they take wisdom and experience from what they used to do and add training to that, they're big enough to go take some classes and plug back into the economy, change the trajectory of their career and make more money. but they have to have a clear set of eyes and not wait on somebody else to fix their life. take on the necessities and get back in the saddle again. >> i want to ask, why in the 50s. why does it happen then? >> i don't know. i think it's a critical mass issue. i think the dumb mistakes that we all make, they turn into experience. which turns into wisdom. then you put that with some
education and possibly getting knocked out of saddle and redirecting a little bit, it kind of jostles you a little bit and we see people make, again, more money than they've made in their lives in that decade. >> i always say, there's nothing like time on planet. it's one of the best attributes you can have. you have to stay here long enough to get it. >> if you were donald trump's economic adviser, what advice would you give him? >> donald trump doesn't give a -- what dave ramsey thinks. >> i am not so sure. are you sure about that? >> again, back to what i was saying earlier. those of us who run businesses, small or large. we like a predictable environment. the stock market is a large business, obviously. they like a predictable environment. if you're going to kill obamacare because health insurance rates have doubled and they're sinking small business people left and right.
and the individual who is paying their own policies, it's the biggest budget item per crisis they've got right now, if you're going to go into office and kill that, you better go into office and kill that. you can't be a squirrel in the road. you can't get a.d.d. with your political cronies and run back and fort. you better follow through. make it predictable. enemies or not. people that love you, people that don't. take that path. the rest of us can follow and judge and make our hires and make our business strategies based on that pre dingtable environment. >> we were talking before about good economic news, unemployment rate 4.6%. what are you hearing from your fans? are they feeling hopeful? are they anxious about their jobs? sniemts. >> well the old rule about the unemployment, the statistics don't matter to the individual. you're never 4.6% unemployed. you're either 100% employed or unemployed. we have this labor participation
thing meaning people quit looking. they change the baseline which any first -- anybody who has had one semester of statistics knows that's a bogus number. the books have been completely cooked. that's a bunch of crap is what we're saying. you have a sector of the economy that your previous guest just told you. 8% of them are sitting on the sidelines. that doesn't count the people that quit looking. they're not counting them anymore. there's a sector out there with a real level of pain. there's a sector booming like they've never boomed before. construction. for instance. you can't find them anywhere. it is booming. if you have a trade in the construction business. you're working and working like 80 hours a week right now. you're going crazy. it depends on what sector you're in. if you're a ruby on rails on rail or a job or developer, your income is almost doubled in the past 36 months because there's a shortage. you can't find these folks.
i'm trying to hire them right now. so all of these technology sectors gone crazy. you take someone who didn't finish high school and only had one job in a factory setting, that factory left and they've got no other skill set, they're up a creek right now. they're scared. they're hurting. they're 100% unemployed. >> dave, next time why don't you say how you feel when you come back here. we'll definitely have you back. hopefully, we'll see you before christmas. if not, have a merry christmas. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. merry chris march. >> talking about score losers. top clinton aides meet in a forum in hartford. harvard. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes... priority boarding... and 30,000 bonus miles. everything you need for an unforgettable vacation.
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