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that does it for us tonight. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts right now. a day of surprises from donald trump's transition team. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. former faux, dr. ben carson tapped to head the department of housing and urban development. there's word that the search for the secretary of state is widening. with john huntsman, president barack obama's first ambassador to china, now under consideration. here's somebody you probably never expected to see at trump tower. >> i found it an extremely interesting conversation and to be continued. i'm just going to leave it at that. >> yep, that's bill clinton's vice president al gore talking climate change with the president-elect.
mean while, first daughter ivanka trump and her husband house shopping in the make's capitol, will either or both have a role in the trump white house? >> and jared kirschner and donald trump working on filling out his administration, what's the latest? >> that's right. donald trump making some big addition he is -- decisions when it comes to his cabinet. formally tapping dr. ben carson for hud secretary. it seems like others are almost taking a step back, early -- late last week we reported that transition officials said president-elect donald trump had narrowed his list for secretary of state down to four finalists. we now know that has widened. donald trump is now looking for some new candidates for secretary of state. you have people like rudy giuliani, mitt romney still in
the mix, still waiting in the rings. trump reaching out to former utah governor, jon huntsman. cross exxon ceo rex tilerson will be here tomorrow for a meeting. a sort of job interview of sorts. and senator joe manchin will meet with him as well this week. >> the president-elect also met with former vice president al gore? was that planned? >> that's what makes this meeting so intriguing, it was not planned according do transition officials. former vice president al gore was here at trump tower to specifically be meeting with trump's daughter, eye vie can trump, holding a meeting on climate change. after that meeting, he took some time with the vice president elect. seemed like an impromptu meeting, that was the lengthier meeting of the two. afterwards, gore said it was
productive, the two are looking for ways to find common ground. and that, of course, being one of the most intriguing parts. these two have not seen eye to eye on climate change. donald trump himself has called climate change a hoax. after that meeting, it seemed gore seemed to be intrigued himself by having a continuation of this conversation. it was an interesting conversation, to be continued. >> thank you very much. let's bring in mark preston. cnn political analyst, kirstin powers. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto, and david gergen. i want to get your take on ben carson, trump's pick for housing and urban development. here's what he said about his formal rival during the campaign. this is during the battle. listen to this. >> he said that he's pathological and he's got basically pathological disease. but if you're a child molester, there's no cure. they can't stop you. pathological, there's no cure.
>> after he dropped out of the race, he became one of his main advisers, how is this being received in washington? >> well, a couple things, republicans are embracing it, because they're embracing everything that donald trump is doing right now, if you want to think of an out of the box pick, you would consider ben carson an out of the box pick. he's had no experience whatsoever in dealing with housing development or dealing with mortgage companies or dealing with housing stock or dealing -- with low income housing. having said that, he is a product of that, he grew up very poor in detroit, he has seen it firsthand. and you have to wonder if donald trump thinks that somehow he could bring his personal experience to it. democrats themselves are pointing to a specific quote from armstrong williams who is a close adviser of ben carson. when ben carson was up to be the cabinet secretary for hhs. armstrong williams said, you know, he's not that experienced in running an agency so it is
basically not going to do it. >> he was also running for president of the united states, and yeah, armstrong williams says, he had doubts whether he could run a federal agency. >> right, right, right. which was interesting. however, now ben carson thinks differently from what armstrong was saying about him. >> david gergen, what do you think of this choice? >> well, don, i've known dr. carson for 15 or 20 years, we served on a nonprofit board together. and i've always admired him, because he was -- people told him all his life he couldn't succeed. he kept persevering, and he made it. he became director of pediatric neurosurgery of johns hopkins is no small feat. i think there's much to admire about him. i question whether this is the right job. his background is in health care, why not u.s. surgeon general. we have a good one now, but the president can replace him if he wishes. with regard to dr. carson's views on housing.
i think a lot of people who live -- work in low income housing will object to the things he said in the past about this the being social engineering that's gone terribly wrong and that it's mostly a socialist thing that's going on in housing. we'll have to see where it goes from here. >> kiersten, i want to move on and talk about another -- some people may deem as a strange meeting, al gore wheating with trump, who is a climate denier, and al gore is a climate champion. did you ever think you'd see the day? >> no, i can't say that i did. but it does seem like donald trump is kind of doing what you or i would do if we became president. you realize you could talk to everybody in the entire world. you put out word they'll put out the expert on everything. al gore was there to meet with his daughter, we don't know how it happened. but he ended up speaking to the president-elect. and i guess for people who do care about the environment it's
a positive move that he would be interested in talking to al gore, and at least hearing him out. however, you have to counterbalance that with the things he has himself said and the people he is surrounding himself with, he's surrounding himself with the epa, he's a climate denier, many of the people he's looking at for key roles are critical of climate science i would say. you have to question whether donald trump is really open to this, or he's just having interesting conversations with interesting people. >> just because, right? >> yeah. because he can. >> we don't know who trump is going to pick for secretary of state. the list of people he's considering is getting bigger and bigger. romney, juligiuliani, general petraeus, senator bob corker among others. why do you think the net is getting wider now, and what does that say to the rest of the world? >> it seems that he's not happy with his choices so far, right?
i mean, part of this could be this idea of speaking to as many people as possible. getting as many points of view as possible. now you have very different people in this category, with very different world views. some of them -- you might say more moderate, like a romney or a perception of that, and others not so. with the statements you're hearing from donald trump, on some very sensitive issues, particularly china, great concern at some of his statements on these issues. you will have great concern, and many countries looking to this choice as a very substantive signal as to what exactly donald trump is going to do in the world. as you look at this field here, you have many different choices there. and until he makes that decision, you are not going to have that answer. >> let's talk about china a little more. >> first trump makes an unprecedented call with taiwan's president. he tweets about it, and says,
did china ask us if it was okay to devalue their occurrence, disturbs currency, making it hard for our companies to compete? heavily tax our products into their country? the u.s. doesn't tax them or build a massive military complex in the middle of the south china sea. i don't think so, what are the implications here? >> this is either spontaneous commentary from donald trump. via twitter, which we've seen for months during thinks campaign and since his election. or it is the president-elect signaling a substantive shift in the primary superpower relationship of our time. between the u.s. and china. and staking out a -- you know, i don't want to say belittle rent, but a very firm position on difficult issues here, south china sea, trade issues, we have u.s. warplanes flying over the south china sea.
i was on one last year. u.s. war ships in close proximity to chinese war ships, this is an area of great disagreement that can escalate very quickly, and listen, i spent a lot of time in china. china is a country that is sensitive to the statements and rhetoric of particularly the president of the united states. so those words have meaning, particularly as he and his advisers say this is not spontaneous commentary, they're defending a new american position as it relates to china. >> i'm sure the statement and -- >> kiersten, the washington post is reporting that the call was long planned. and i'm sure the state department, and maybe even the people who are maybe thinking about becoming the secretary of state are wondering how am i going to deal with this if i do become the secretary of state. if he does pick me? >> we are trying to piece this
together, we don't have the whole story. we're getting bits and pieces of this, that looks like it was if you look at the people that are around him, he has people on his staff, two people that wrote something for foreign policy. arguing we need to be more disruptive in our relationship with china. using taiwan as a way to do that. and ambassador huntsman, and also ambassador -- the former ambassador to the u.n. john boulton, sorry. he also is another person who has been publicly advocating for this kind of disruptive relationship. and in particular using taiwan in that way. it's interesting to see who he was meeting with. he met with the former ambassador to the u.n. on the same day that he did this. to me, it suggests this wasn't something he did on the spur of the moment but something that perhaps had more thought in it. >> here's trump's senior economic advisory on the taiwan call. listen. >> taiwan is our ally. that is a country that we have
backed because they believe in freedom. we ought to back our ally, if china doesn't like it, screw them, screw them. >> david, he says screw him, what do you think? >> oh, my goodness. don, what we do know is that the call was calculated. it was not a casual call. as was first claimed by the trump team. she didn't exactly call him. the call was prearranged. and what we're heading into is an administration that's going to be much tougher on china and much easier on russia. and whether that is a wise call or not, only history will tell, i think we know already that it's upsetting and causing some consternation among people who have been working in foreign policy for a long time. donald trump since -- he is a disruptor. that's what he believes in. he believes if you throw everything up in the air, you
can get better results. people have been working 30 or 40 years trying to keep us from going to war over taiwan, trying to keep the two sides separated and done so successfully just don't agree with that for the most part. >> john, did you want to say something? >> disrupter, in theory, during a campaign in the business world. that's one thing. the thing is, as david said, the u.s. has long term relationship with taiwan. he sell them arms primarily to deter against the chinese invasion in china. china has an relationship with taiwan today, but is an extremely delicate piece in that part of the world that's built on diplomatic norms and signals and balances, through time through the years, through republican and democratic admin administrations. it does not take a lot to throw that house of cards up in the air. and there are real consequences to this. this is not just a science
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president-elect donald trump takes office in 46 days. taking center same in a world that is changing rapidly. back with me now, mark preston ski citizen, jim sciutto and david gergen. the trump phenomenon is part of a right leaning movement, we have brexit, trump's' legislation. in austria the move was defeated. in italy, the prime minister was ousted there. >> it's a very good question, as the united states is trying to understand what happened here with the support behind donald trump, our allies across the
globe are dealing with the same thing right now, there's an incredible amount of angst and anger right now based on the situations people have been placed in. i thinks that something we all missed. certainly here in the united states. when we saw it happen in england, we thought it was an anomaly. it's clearly more than that. there's a bigger problem, as a community as a whole. we need to address. and we heard bernie sanders talk about income inequality. that's not just here at home, it's around the world that that needs to be addressed. at the same time, trying to calm fears about terrorism or war or these other things that are happening around the globe. >> it's changing, so people don't know. >> a lot of people don't know how to deal with donald trump, in and of itself. in what direction he is going to try to take this country or our
relations with our allies. >> he himself has said he wants to be unpredictable. that's part of his strategy. at least he said that during the election. >> even if he didn't say it, he certainly every day brings something new. >> take a look at these photos. from april of 2016 of these five world leaders of the united states, the uk, italy, france, and germany, only one will remain on the world stage. that's angela merkel. will the new leaders be unified in how to face terrorism and the economy? >> it's a good question, right? because you look at in your opinion, right? europe as a whole in tandem with the united states. after 9/11. europe agents as one with the u.s. to respond to the taliban joining in the war in afghanistan. to this day. more recently, europe together has imposed sanctions on russia. economic price for invading the ukraine, that unity showing the relevance of nato, even to this day. long after we thought the cold war was over.
now you have -- i mean, you have divisions in europe that are driven largely by economics. but not just by economics. by politics as well that's dividing europe. and dividing the u.s. in europe in ways that they had not been. that has real consequences for national security as well as economic issues. the thought just occurred to me as you look at that photo there. i met the other day with nigel farage. one of the architects of brexit. him, donald trump, these are the faces that are replacing those faces. when this photo was taken, the farages and the trump's that were dismissed by many. they're the ones that had the surprising victory. it is a changing world order. >> the current president-elect has not even taken office yet, kiersten, and on the democratic side there are some pretty remarkable comments today from outgoing vice president joe
biden. listen to this. >> because you're going into your final days of your time in office, does that add to the emotion you feel? >> i haven't thought about it in that rational way. but i guess so. i mean, my staff always kids me. every time i come up here, i feel invigorated. i love this place. this is where i spent my life. >> are you going to run again? >> yeah, i'm going to run in 2020. >> for what? >> for president. >> no, so what the hell? so anyway. >> we're going to run with that, sir, you know. you dropped that. >> that's okay. >> i've enjoyed every minute of my time, it's a great feeling to come back. i love this place. >> just to be clear, were you kidding about running for president in 2020? >> i'm not committing not to run. i'm not committing to anything. i learned a long time ago.
>> quick response. kiersten, what do you think? >> 70 is the new 40. i guess the democrats are looking to some sort of leader to be the counter to trump. he's aejwise -- agewise not the ideal, but in every other way he's pretty good. >> he's 74 years old. strange things have happened in politics recently. but it's unlikely he will run for office. i think he was kidding. he's proud this bill passed by cover today. it includes over a billion dollars for a cancer moon shot that really is named after his son, beau. so it is a good day. when a party is out of party, it's hard to locate the leader of that party. joe biden could emerge over the next couple of years as a unifying force for the democratic party, that would be important. >> i've been given an extension,
jim, what do you think? >> on joe biden it would be remarkable. winston churchill ran when he was older, maybe david gergen will get surprised in 2020. >> he said he would help donald trump out if he ever needed anything. he was one phone call away. one thip about joe biden, as much as he is a democrat through and through, the fact of the matter is, he is an american, he is a patriot, he's somebody that really wants to see good things happen here, don't be surprised if you see his name emerge in the next couple years, helping out the trump administration. >> he's a young 74. i never think of his age. when you mention joe biden. because he's joe biden. thank you everyone. that made sense, right? you understood what i meant. up next, eye vang ka trump and jared kushner, are they planning to move to the nation's capitol. will one or both of them have a role in the white house?
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joining me now, kate anderson brower, author of first women and douglas brinkley, cnn presidential historian and producer of presidential suite. good to have all of you. let's have this discussion now, emily. what can you tell us about the potential move to d.c. and what ivanka and jared will be doing there. >> the trump organization and a source close to ivanka said she has officially not confirmed she's moving to washington, d.c.. a source close to ivanka told me they're strongly considering the move. i'll just say that outright. i think it says something larger about the role jared and she will play when her father takes office in january. i think the big question here is how big of a role they will play. ivanka has been clear all along that she wants to advocate for policies related to women and children. and jared has played a tremendous role in the campaign, and now in the transition. having them closer to the white house suggests there will be more to come.
>> if she was going to -- if she's buying a house there -- she's a wealthy woman. it signals something, if she's just going to visit she could stay at the white house or just the hotel down the street. >> well, there is a new hotel with an ivanka trump suite just five blocks down the street. so it is possible. who knows if they will actually buy a house there, but it does seem to suggest there will be some sort of permanent place in washington. >> douglas, this is for you, if ivanka will be in d.c., closer proximity to her father, will she be able to continue working in the family real estate business without running into these problems of conflicts of interest that have been in the news so much. >> it's going to be tricky and complicated. she can probably do it. if you can willing to play lawyers enough to keep you out of trouble, you can probably do it. she is going to be a hostest here in washington.
she's going to be meeting, just like she did today with al gore, meeting with people her father wouldn't immediately meet with. she's going to cast a large shadow in washington, because melania will be in new york at least for the first half of the year with baron. she's going to be coming here and being kind of a first daughter. maybe the friendly face of the trump administration in d.c. >> more of a -- the role usually of maybe a first lady, may go to the daughter this time? >> yeah, you know i remember when franklin roosevelt was alive. his daughter would go places with him and travel with him. because eleanor roosevelt had her own agenda. she was kind and always at fdr's side, we may be seeing something where donald trump has ivanka around a lot. but the conflict of interest thing is going to be tricky and they better be careful with that. >> i want to discuss al gore stopping by trump tower today. listen to this.
>> i had a lengthy and very productive discussion with the president-elect. it was a sincere search for areas of common ground. i found it an extremely interesting conversation. and to be continued. and i'm just going to leave it at that. >> this is another making of ivanka trump. she was behind this meeting. something she cares about, which is climate change. is she taking on a role to the left? >> i think she's going beyond what we've ever seen a first daughter do before. it's like these a facilitator for democrats in this administration. she's given money to democrats before, a lot of friends in the democratic party, i thought it was interesting that al gore said the bulk of his time he spent with president-elect trump versus ivanka. so the idea is you know, he doesn't want people thinking he's sidelined talking to the first daughter. we reason is seen something like
this. julie nixon, eisenhower, was very much involved in our president's administration, we haven't had a first daughter who's a senior adviser, and she really is one of his core advisers. i don't see her taking the melania trump first lady role in this administration. >> i want you to listen to what ivanka trump says about her role speaking with leslie stall on 60 minutes. >> people think that you're going to be part of the administration, ivanka. >> i'm -- no, i'm going to be a daughter, but i've said throughout the campaign that i'm very passionate about certain issues and i want to fight for them. >> you won't be -- >> wage equality, child care, these are things that are very important to me. i'm very passionate about education, promoting more opportunities for women. so there are a lot of things i feel deeply strongly about, but not in a formal administrative capacity. >> douglas, what does she mean by that? i'm going to be a daughter.
>> that she's going to be there to love on her father, to give him private advice, to be his eyes and ears, a watchdog in washington, d.c., and beyond. she's going to be quite a daughter, quite a powerful daughter. she's really the person who interfaces with the women's movement in many ways. she's somebody that on the campaign trail was always seeming to be able to put her father's best foot forward, i think she's going to be a real washington power broker in her own understated way. >> he does rely on her for a lot of advice. he's comfortable with his children, especially her. and maybe her definition of daughter is different than what many people think, and you said, she's passionate about the issues she's passionate about. and that's what she said on 60 minutes. >> i think she thinks she's going to washington and effect change on the issues she cares about. related to women and working women. you're right, ivanka trump's role as a daughter has been different than many daughters. she's been involved with his
business since she was a child. touring construction sites. she went to work for him in her 20s. she worked for him ever since. her idea of a daughter is sitting in on meetings with her father, advising him on business decisions, now on political decisions. it's just a different notion of what a daughter does. >> kate, both you and douglas have mentioned julie nixon. and the role she had in her father richard nixon's administration. who is going to be acting as the normal first lady role after january 20th? will it be melania? is it going to be ivanka? >> we'll have an official first lady, i don't think she'll be physically here. there's going to be an important social secretary role. they're going to have to fill that with someone who has experience. and there are people from the bush administration working with the east wing, with melania trump to try to staff her, that's an important point. they are reaching out to republicans who came before them who have done this before, donald trump's never held
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donald trump's children deeply involved in his campaign. what will happen when he moves into the white house? with with me now, emily jane fox, and douglas brinkley. a trump spokesman spoke about the role of the trump children in his daily briefing. >> ivanka has been advising the transition team as well as donald jr. and eric and jared kushner as well. they're running a role to assist
and help move forward and put things together. as has been previously announced with regard to the family business, mr. trump, the president-elect will be holding a press conference in 10 days, on december 15th, to talk about how that will work. and i would expect to hear more information about the business going forward at that time. >> given that the kids are deeply involved in this, in his business and his presidency, seemingly going to be involved in the presidency, this whole situation is a mess of potential conflicts of interest. how is he going do make that work? >> your guess is as good as mine. >> they may have to hire a whole mess of attorneys. >> i think that would be a great idea. i am sure they will hire the best people they could -- >> the children will be involved, you think? >> especially ivanka really has an interest in making these policy decisions. it's illegal for them to have an official role in the white house. they can't be paid, they can't have an official role.
that's been illegal for almost 50 years now. >> that doesn't mean they can't do it unofficially. >> all the communication about it has said, we want to avoid the appearance of it. -- of a conflict of interest, which is the most trump reality television move and motive. >> it's interesting that all of the children are like gung-ho to do this. do you think donald trump ever thought this was going to happen? i'm not sure he wanted to move from the tower on fifth avenue to -- >> i don't think -- there are reports that donald wants to come back to new york as often as possible. and melania is staying until june. and now jared and ivanka are strongly considering a move to d.c. it's sort of interesting to me. i understand donald is a 70-year-old billionaire who lives in a triplex on fifth avenue. his younger daughter and son in law are probably a little more gung-ho about the move to d.c. >> and his two sons? >> yes.
>> in that 60 minutes conversation we played just a few minutes ago, eric trump was pretty clear on one point. >> one of the fortunate things for my father, our father, he was able to step out of the company to run for commander in chief. i think he's going to rely on us more than ever. >> you'll stay up here? >> we'll be in new york and we'll take care of the business. i think we're going to have a lot of fun doing it, and we'll make him proud. >> so at that point the three trump children plan to stay in new york. now ivanka moves to washington. does it means the sons will primarily be running the business empire or we don't know yet? >> i don't think we know yet maybe both of them -- especially donald jr. and ivanka, they're very, very active, i'm not sure what will happen there. i think another reason why this is interesting, we haven't had a president this old ever. donald trump is 70. i think ronald reagan was 69. we have children in their mid-30s, approaching 40, and they have long careers, we've moved forward in the women's movement where i think we do allow women to be more outspoken.
and ivanka trump doesn't have to play coy about it if she wants to get involved. i think it's obvious she wants to get involved. when she says she wants to be a daughter, i think we all know she wants to be a player in this administration, and so in a way, it's kind of a nice thing to see a woman who's going to be making some major -- helping her father make some major policy decisions and not shy away from it. >> douglas, i want to ask you about this, because emily announced it earlier. donald trump says i feel it visually important. visually important as president to in no way have a conflict of interest with my various businesses. my question is, have other presidents had -- have they had conflicts of interest in the office? and if so, how was it resolved? >> well, usually the media goes crazy on the children of a president if they can find conflict of interest. or a family member.
for example, jimmy carter, i don't know if you remember billy carter, he started marketing billy beer. and he went over to libya and at one point urinated on an airport tarmac, doing these various business trips. the the media just hammered on jimmy carter over billy. the three trump children are targets of the press now. anything and everything they do is going to be scrutinized and watched. getting that bevy of lawyers to make sure they don't break any ethical grounds. not just visual as donald trump said, but period. otherwise they are going to have a very long long winter if they start trying to use the white house for personal gain. i would try to distance the trump children from the official white house agenda as much as possible. >> that's going to be very difficult considering how big the businesses are, the business is. even if ivanka trump separates herself, she has her own business, from her father's company. what about her own company.
the new york times reports that ivanka trump sat in on a meeting with the head of state of japan, even while her company was closing a major business deal with a japanese corporation and that corporation is mostly owned by the japanese government. will there be significant conflicts here, emily? >> i think sources close to ivanka say, look, this is an adjustment period, it's just happened. there was no conflict of interest before he was elected. and now that he's elected, everyone's getting up to speed. that is their justification for her sitting in on that meeting and sitting in on any number of meetings she sat in on in the last couple weeks. everyone recognizes that needs to change going-forward. it's just a question of if she actually will. >> it's going to be tough to run her own businesses and also stay involved in the administration. >> when we saw her with that $10,000 bracelet and an aide sent out a note to people talking about it of a the 60
minutes interview, i think it showed they're kind of naivety a little bit. they don't have their footing yet, and they don't realize how serious these allegations are, it's serious to mix your family. and legally there are a lot of issues that come up. i agree, they have to figure this out. >> not to mention jared kushner's business interest emily. and also that donald trump rails against the media so much, and jared kushner is a member of the media. >> he owns the new york observer, a real estate company. i think a lot of problem with the speculation of conflict of interest is that donald trump has not released his tax returns, no one knows the scope of his business or the scope of the conflict. i think there's a lot up in the air and that makes people nervous. that's what you're seeing right now. >> it's fascinating, that's why people were questioning, so many people thought he should show his -- in case he became president, there would be no conflicts of interest, and here we are. a muslim comedian walks on to a plane and finds himself
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bored a trans aatlantic flight d got the flight of his life when he sat next to donald trump's son, you get on the plane and realize you're next to the president-elect's son and then what happened. is that a selfie? >> yeah it was a selfie. it was indeed. >> so what happened? >> well i walk on the plane, and you know, you walk on enough planes you know something's off, something in the air and i walk in and see it's none other than eric trump. i'm like this is fantastic as a comedian, a muslim from an arab family, it was just a beautiful thing. i took a moment to just reflect and put my bags up.
i was super exhausted. i didn't think i was going to get the upgrade. i suspect the lady who upgraded me was a clinton fan who wanted to have a little fun. >> maybe this was cosmic for this to happen. for you to get the upgrade and then sitting next to him. did you press him on serious issues? what did you talk about it? >> yeah i immediately went into it. it was very tense. no, not at all. people under estimate the value of a real conversation, you know, they just want to jump into politics and i opened up with my name is muhammad i'm a stand up comedian, come from a muslim family, this is perfect, how you doing eric, one of those. it was all in jest and he took it in stride. i told him immediately we're not registering, just want you to know. >> i want to say that.
you wrote on instagram, good news muslims will not have to check in and get ids, i was going to be asking him a lot of trips on this trip. sometimes god just sends you the material. so how do you react? >> i mean there weren't that many of those questions, there was things like golf we talked about. i know how annoying it is for people to start talking to you much less on an airplane when you have somewhere to get to. >> or when people ask you to take selfies. >> ha, ha i mean, hey, you know, we wouldn't be here together today would we sir. yes so he was very cool. i dropped it on him. like look man we're not registering, we're not going to fly, it's unconstitutional. what is this world war ii, come
on we can't be doing that. he's like come on you don't believe everything you read. we're not going to do that. come on. that's not going to happen. we'll see. there's a lot of issues they have to tend to. so we'll see if they end up doing it or not. after i told him i was muslim the flight attendant came back and immediately ordered the pork chops which i think he would do a force field around him therefore a muslim could not pass because he has the pork chop considering the secret service didn't have very good seats. >> is that true or are you messing around. >> if he ordered pork chops, yeah he did, but they never came because he passed out and never woke up for it. >> you told buzz beat that you feel disconnected from the violence around the country how
so. >> it doesn't seem to be on the forefront. when i asked about us not registering or me making a statement that we're not going to do it and it's not constitutional, what have you, i just think the whole entire campaign is really detached from it. there's no condemning of the violence. the hate crimes are going up dramatically. it's really, really sad to see what's unfolding. to me that's my feeling my perception what i've seen and what i keep reading and i hope the trump administration does something about that and really addresses that problem. >> did he say anything though that realry surprised you? >> no, not really. i mean, for me, i had for myself, i see donald trump as a master publicist, somebody who knows exactly what he is doing and he confirmed, like, the guy just knows what to do and how to get the attention and how to get the votes and how to sway
people's feelings. nothing really surprises me. and i really hope the trump administration surprises everybody and does somebody great. we're all holding our breaths and worried about what's going to happen and we all have families that love to visit people that come over, we have such a rich culture, we need to not segregate and separate each other. i really hope it doesn't happen. >> muhammad thanks, next time t i'll get the upgrade. >> get out of my seat, don, no way. >> just no selfies. >> no i won the do that. >> thank you for talking to us. >> no problem thank you for having me. >> coming back a white police officer shoots an unarmed black man and it was caught on camera. now a mistrial in the case. what happens next?
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