tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN December 7, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PST
good evening. donald trump tonight in fay etville, north carolina, secretary stop on what he is billing as a thank you tour. he has been running late. he just stepped on stage and is about to begin speaking. let's listen in. >> thank you. [chanting: trump, trump, trump, trump] [ cheers and applause ] >> so the weather was really bad, really bad, and they said, you know, these are great people in north carolina. they won't mind. no, but they said, they won't mind, sir, if you cancelled and
made it another time. and i said, what? and they said, we have a big crowd but they won't mind, just because the weather was so terrible. so i said, you got to be kidding. so we've been driving for two hours. we landed at -- like a long ways, but there was no way that we weren't showing up tonight, that i can tell you. [ cheers and applause ] >> we couldn't land at your local airport. we landed a long ways away. i said, what? let's put it this way, the drive was about three times longer than the flight. but we made it, that's all that matters, right? we made it. >> and i'm here today for one main reason, to thank you, the people of north carolina for being so incredible. we want to thank you.
you went out and pounded the pavement. you organized your fellow citizens, and propelled to victory a grassroots movement, the likes of which nobody, nobody has ever seen before, and that's beyond our country. and i want to give a special thank you to the incredible military families, service members and veterans of north carolina. [ cheers and applause ] >> and they were great. you saw what happened with the military. i got such numbers, oh, the numbers are good. we don't talk about numbers, we bring people together, but, boy, were those numbers good. and our veterans, do we love our veterans? we love our veterans. but your state's legacy of service is an inspiration to us all.
north carolina's produced many of the finest soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines the world has ever seen. so true. our men and women in uniform represent the absolute best of us. we must follow their example, working in unison toward a shared goal across every social, racial and economic line. they understand that to accomplish the mission we must all be pulling in the same direction. we have to get together. [ cheers and applause ] >> they know that we must leave no man or woman behind. these patriots have shed their blood to defend our country in distant fields of battle across the earth. our debt to them is eternal and
everlasting. amazing people. [ cheers and applause ] >> amazing people. and, you know, we have a very special person here tonight who we're going to introduce very shortly. boy, it's been such a popular choice. we salute their sacrifice and we salute the flag they fought to protect. we love our flag, right? we love our flag. [ cheers and applause ] >> we love our flag. and we don't like it when we see people ripping up our flag and burning our flag. we don't like it. we don't like it. we'll see what we're going to do about that, okay? [ cheers and applause ] >> we're gonna see. tomorrow is the 75th anniversary of pearl harbor. it is a milestone that marks the
ultimate sacrifice of those who wear the great uniform. it is a reminder, too, of the valiant efforts of america's fighting men and women who have liberated millions from tyranny and oppression. now today our brave men and women are the first in line defense, defense against radical islamic terrorism, words some people don't like to say, and an ideology of death that slaughters men, women and children. we're going to protect our people, believe me. in every generation a new threat to freedom arises, and just as we defeated these threats we faced generations in the past, and you understand that, so too will we defeat the forces of terrorism. it is unseen in many cases, but
we're going to defeat that force, and we're going to defeat it strongly and quickly, believe me. [ cheers and applause ] >> we will prevail. we stand here today just miles from ft. bragg, the home of heroes. it is the home of heroes. [ cheers and applause ] >> our special forces at ft. bragg have been the tip of the spear in fighting terrorism. the motto of our army special forces is, to free the oppressed, and that is exactly what they have been doing and will continue to do. at this very moment soldiers from ft. bragg are deployed in 90 countries around the world. can you believe that? 90 countries. based in ft. bragg is the 82nd
airborne division. [ cheers and applause ] >> also known as the all-american division. we stand in awe of their achievements, we really do. not far from here sits 45% of the entire united states marine corps at camp lejeune. i have been to camp lejeune. we love camp lejeune. 12,000 citizen soldiers fill the ranks of the north carolina army and air national guard. the national guard rushed to the scene to help the victims of hurricane matthew and so many other catastrophes, and we continue to send our thoughts and prayers to those recovering in its wake. the military families in north carolina are a national treasure, and it will be the duty of my administration to ensure that we protect those who
protect us. and i just want to tell you that we are going to be taking care of our veterans, and i'm right now -- i'm right now working -- these are great, great people and they haven't been treated fairly, and i'm right now working on picking the people that are going to be helping our veterans, and they are really outstanding. we have some of the great people. a lot of people are giving, making great sacrifices to do this, but they're going to be unbelievable. you're going to see such a change. you're going to see such a change like you've never seen before. we're going to protect and help our veterans, believe me. [ cheers and applause ] >> that brings me to the second reason that i'm here, to discuss our action plan to make america great again, beginning with -- [ cheers and applause ] >> -- the rebuilding of our
military, and we will, we will. you're going to see it. i'm so looking forward, probably next week, you're going to see what we're going to do to take care of our vets. it is going to be announced. a lot of things are going to be announced. stay tuned, folks. here are the priorities that will guide our military and veterans policy. all men and women in uniform will have the supplies, support, equipment, training, services, medical care and resources they need to get the job done incredibly well and perfectly. you watch. [ cheers and applause ] >> the best care in the world for our veterans, both at public and va facilities, as well as the right to see a private doctor when the lines are long. [ cheers and applause ] >> i've been saying this for the last year and a half, you know, people are waiting in line for
seven days, eight days, nine days, longer. he just said longer. longer than that. and when that happens, you're going out to see a private doctor, a private hospital, a public hospital, somebody that can take care of you, and we're going to pick up the bill, and it is going to be -- not only is it going to be great for you and lifesaving in many cases, it is going to be less expensive. i'm saying, why didn't they do this in the past? why didn't somebody do this? there's not going to be anymore waiting for our great people in line for weeks to see a doctor. finally, a commitment to only engage the use of military forces when it is in the vital national security interests of the united states. we don't want to have a depleted military because we're all over the place fighting in areas that just we shouldn't be fighting in. we're going to have such a strong, powerful military.
it is not going to be depleted any longer. i mentioned equipment previously, and i said equipment, we're gonna have the finest equipment in the world. it is going to be new, it is going to be modern, it is going to be clean, it is going to be the best. that's what we're gonna have. we're not gonna be a depleted military anymore. [ cheers and applause ] >> from now on it is going to be america first, america first. we will stop racing to topple foreign -- and you understand this, foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn't be involved with. instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying isis. [ cheers and applause ] >> and we will. any nation that shares these
goals will be our partner in this mission, and we won't forget it. we want to strengthen all friendships and seek out new friendships, rather than a rigid dogma we're guided by the lessons of history and a desire to promote stability, stability all over, and strength in our land. this destructive cycle of intervention and kchaos must finally, folks, come to an end. come to an end. we've spent at last count $6 trillion in the middle east, and our roads have potholes all over, our highways are falling apart, our bridges are falling, our tunnels are no good, our airports are horrible, like third world countries. we've got to start spending on
ourselves, but we've got to be so strong militarily, like we've never, ever been before. remember that. like we've never been before. we seek harmony and good will among the nations of the world, and we believe that respect for mutual sovereignty helps form the basis of trust and understanding, but we don't want people taking advantage of us anymore. we don't want countries taking advantage of us anymore. we don't want that. we don't want that. we want to be the smart people. we don't want to be what we've been over the last long period of time. we build up our military not as an act of aggression but as an act of prevention. we pursue and build up arms not in order to seek conflict, but in order to avoid conflict. we want to be strong.
in short, we seek peace through strength. [ cheers and applause ] >> that is why in my first budget report to congress i am going to ask for the elimination of the defense sequester. it is enough. i call it depletion. it gets worse and worse every year. not for our military. we will show world that america is going to be stronger than ever before. we're going to be stronger militarily than ever before, and hopefully we don't have to use our military, but we're going to be stronger than ever before and there's rarely been a time when we've needed this strength more than we have right now. but in order to succeed with our defense policy, we must find the right person to lead our defense
department. is that right? [ cheers and applause ] >> this is why i'm proud to formally announce today my intention to nominate general james "mad dog" mattis as the next secretary of defense for the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] >> jim is a marine corps four star general, the former commander of u.s. central command and nato supreme allied commander. for transformation, this is going to be so great for us. he led an assault battalion in operation desert storm, and you saw what happened. that was the way you're supposed to lead it.
there were no games. "mad dog" plays no games, right? let the forces that went after the taliban and commanded the first marine division in iraq, he is one of the most effective generals that we've had in many, many decades, an extraordinary leader of our time who has committed his life to his love for our country. general mattis is the living embodiment of the marine corps motto, semper fidelis, always faithful, and the american people are fortunate that a man of this character and integrity will now be the civilian leader atop the department of defense. under his leadership, right? [ cheers and applause ] >> under his leadership, such an important position, we will
rebuild our military and alliances, destroy terrorists, face our enemies head on and make america safe again. it is now my honor and privilege to welcome to the stage your next secretary of defense, general "mad dog" mattis. thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. thank you, ladies and gentlemen. thank you, president-elect, for the confidence that you have shown in me. thank you for the opportunity. i'm grateful for the opportunity to return to our troops, their
families, the civilians of the department of defense because i know how committed they are and devoted they are to the defense of our country, the defense of our constitution. and with our allies strengthened, with our country strengthened, i look forward to being the civilian leader so long as the congress gives me the waiver and the senate votes to consent. thank you very much. [ cheers and applause ] [chanting: mad dog, mad dog]. >> what a great guy. he's going to be incredible. he will get that waiver, right? he's going to get that. oh, if he didn't get that waiver there would be a lot of angry people. such a popular choice. i believe we're in the process of putting together one of the all-time great cabinets that has ever been assembled in our nation's history.
[ cheers and applause ] >> we have some great, great people going to be named over the next couple of days. but to accomplish our goals, we must reject the failed approaches of the past. we must move past the tired conventional thinking of washington d.c. as abraham lincoln said, as our case is new, so must we think anew and act anew. my plan begins with bold structural reform to create millions of good paying jobs and even great paying jobs. you've been seeing what's been happening over the last couple of weeks, and we haven't gotten there yet. we haven't gotten there yet. we were very proud of saving 1,100 jobs in indiana with the help of mike pence. [ cheers and applause ] >> vice president-elect, who is incredible. we are very proud of mike pence, by the way. whether it is producing steel,
building cars or curing disease, we want the next generation of innovation and production to happen right here in america and right here in north carolina. [ cheers and applause ] >> and don't forget, when we started, even four weeks before they said, well, we're going to have an awfully hard time winning florida, an awfully hard time winning north carolina. we're not gonna win pennsylvania. we're not gonna win michigan. we're not going to win wisconsin. we're not gonna win, we're not gonna win iowa and ohio is going to be tough. so it started out, we won ohio by more than eight points. we won iowa by a massive number, ten points. then we went down and we won florida. remember that fantastic evening?
we have breaking news. donald trump wins florida! [ cheers and applause ] >> donald trump wins north carolina. [ cheers and applause ] >> we won so many states. we won 30 states, 32 states. we won so much, and we just kept winning and then we topped it off by winning pennsylvania, winning michigan, winning -- right? winning wisconsin, states that hadn't been won in 38 years. a lot of states. and it was a fantastic evening, and that's why we're here tonight because we want to thank you. we want to thank you especially. first on taxes, we're going to undertake one of the great tax reforms and simplifications in american history. this includes lowering the tax rate on business from 35% all the way down to 15%. [ cheers and applause ]
can. >> and massive tax cuts, by the way, for middle class workers, massive. the biggest. biggest since reagan, actually bigger than reagan. on regulations, we're going to eliminate every single wasteful regulation that undermines the ability of our workers and our companies to compete. the regulation business is a disaster in our country. we're gonna get rid of all of the unnecessary regulations. on energy, we will cancel the job-killing restrictions on the production of american energy and pursue american energy independence, and we will be able to do it. [ cheers and applause ] >> honoring the legacy of theodore roosevelt -- believe it or not, one of our great
environme environmentalli environmentallists -- we will conserve and protect the land for our next generations including protecting anglers and hunters and all of those who enjoy the outdoors like my sons don and eric. they enjoy the outdoors. they enjoy it, they love it. on infrastructure, i will ask congress to pass legislation that produces $1 trillion of new investments in america's crumbling infrastructure including major projects in our inner cities. we're gonna take care of our inner cities. we're gonna get the inner cities going again. remember, i used the expression, what the hell do you have to lose? i'm telling you, you're gonna see. i want to thank -- we did so well, so much better with african-american communities, with hispanic communities than anybody ever anticipated. [ cheers and applause ] >> so much better. better than has taken place in
years back, years back. so i want to thank the african-american communities, i want to thank the hispanic communities, and we're starting to work already. we're working already. and the appointment today of ben carson has been very popular, very well received. dr. ben carson, good guy, great guy. we will have two simple rules when it comes to rebuilding this country, buy american and hire american. all right. buy american. on trade, our trade deficit, now nearly $800 billion a year. we have a deficit, think of it, of almost $800 billion a year. you say who is negotiating these deals. it is a chronic drag on the growth and a destroyer of jobs and wealth in our country. in the month of october alone our nation racked up more than
$40 billion in trade deficit. 40 billion! including more than a $30 billion trade deficit with china alone. all right. think we're doing a good job of negotiating? i don't think so. how many businesspeople do we have in this audience that could have done a slightly better job of negotiating, right? yeah, you can. north carolina's lost nearly half of its manufacturing jobs since nafta. america has lost 70,000 factories. think of it, 70,000 factories since joining the world trade organization, think of it. so china joins the world trade organization, and since that time we've lost so much, 70,000 factories. we're living through the greatest job theft in the history of the world. there's never been a job theft like what's happened to this country, and we topped some of it, a little bit, because we
just started, but we haven't really started because we don't really start until january 20th. but we're stopping. and one of the wealthiest men in the world, you saw it today, maybe -- did anybody see it? massa, great guy of japan, he pledged he's going to put $50 billion into the united states because of our victory. he wasn't investing in our country. 50 billion. 50,000 jobs. 50,000 jobs he's going to be investing in. he is a great guy. a trump administration will renegotiate our terrible trade deals, stand up to foreign cheating, and defeat every last american -- and we will do this, we will defeat the enemy on jobs, and we will defend american jobs. we're going to defend american jobs. we have to look at it almost as a war because that's what's happened to us, that's what has
happened to our workers. these are great people, and, boy, did they come out to vote. remember, they said they don't exist? they existed! they existed. believe me. in millions and millions of people poured out to the voting booths and they voted big league. that's why we had these kind of victories. we had states where i would win by 30 points, 35 points, 40 points. amazing. if a company wants to fire their workers, leave our country and then ship their products back into our country, there will be consequences. i'm sorry, there will be consequences. [ cheers and applause ] >> big consequences. on healthcare reform, every day the law known as obamacare is destabilizing our healthcare, really destabilizing it. surging premiums and forcing providers out of the market. if we don't act the damage will
be irreversible. we're going to act. that is why we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. we have no choice can. [ cheers and applause ] can. >> we have no choice can. we have absolutely no choice. so we're going to repeal and replace obamacare, and you're going to get healthcare at a much lower price with a much lower deductible. you know, it is so high now you can't -- you really can't -- for the most part you can't use it. but we are going to have great healthcare at a much lower price. on child care, i'm asking congress to pass legislation to make safe and affordable child care accessible to all, and people like that. that's something that ivanka trump -- did anybody ever hear of ivanka trump, right? ivanka trump has been fighting for for a long time, and i have and i agree with her. on crime, the murder rate has
experienced its largest increase in 45 years. we are going to support the incredible men and women of law enforcement, and we are going to bring this terrible crime wave to an end. highest in 45 years, the murder rate. on immigration, we will be the administration that ended illegal immigration. we will construct a great border wall, dismantle the criminal cartels, liberate our communities from the epidemic of gang violence and drugs. we will get rid of the drugs that are pouring into our country. [ cheers and applause ] >> we will ask congress to reform our visa and immigration programs to protect jobs and wages for american workers, and we will be appointing very shortly somebody to head up our program.
and i will tell you, this person like general mattis will do a phenomenal job, because we're going to stop people from coming into our country illegally, but we're going to have people come into our country and they're going to come in by the thousands and the hundreds of thousands, but they're going to come in, they are going to come in legally, right? [ cheers and applause ] >> but by the hundreds of thousands. we want people to come in, but they have to come in legally. to protect our country from terrorism and extremism, we will suspend immigration from regions where it cannot be safely processed. [ cheers and applause ] >> right now thousands and thousands and thousands of people are pouring into our country. we have no idea who they are, where they come from, do they love us. in a lot of cases, no, they don't love us.
a trump administration will always put the safety and security of the american people first. remember that. [ cheers and applause ] >> safety of the american people. ethics reform will be a crucial part of our 100-day plan as well. we're going to drain the swamp of corruption in washington d.c. we are going to. i will impose a five-year ban on executive branch officials becoming lobbyists and a lifetime ban on officials becoming lobbyists for a foreign government. we face many, many challenges, but this is truly an exciting time to be alive in our country, and hopefully to be alive in many other locations because we are representative to a large extent of what's happening in the world. the world is looking up to us, but they haven't been looking up
to us much, and they are going to start looking up again. we're going to be good for the world, not just good for our country. [ cheers and applause ] >> the script to what we're doing is not yet written. remember, this has been a great, great movement, the likes of which they've never seen before, the likes of which those folks back there that write the stories -- [boos]. >> no, no, and they're saying it. they've never seen anything like this before. it is one of the great phenomenal things of all time. we'll show them, we're going to create a safe country, a prosperous country. we're going to have jobs again, great jobs, not bad jobs, real jobs, and it is going to be something special. hopefully they're going to write the truth. [ cheers and applause ] >> we do not know what the page
tomorrow will read, but for the first time in a long time what we do know is that the pages will be authored by each and every one in this room and in our country, by you, they will be authored by you. together we will raise incomes and create millions and millions of new jobs. it is going to happen. it is already happening. you see what happened today. we will reestablish the rule of law and defend the constitution of the united states. [ cheers and applause ] >> and, by the way, we will be appointing great, great supreme court justices, you'll see. [ cheers and applause ] >> we'll be starting very soon with one to replace justice scalia. great man. we will protect the right of every american to live in safety and peace. we will restore and respect, and
we will respect people's rights. we will respect constitutional rights, and for all-america we will respect our great american flag again, believe me. [ cheers and applause ] >> we will heal our divisions and unify our country. when americans are unified, there is nothing we cannot do, nothing. no task is too great, no dream too large, no goal beyond our reach. my message tonight is for all-americans from all parties, all beliefs, all walks of life, it is a message for everyone, no matter your age, your income, your background. i am asking you to join us in this great, great adventurous world that we're living in. we're going to make it less adventurous. we're going to make it safer and better than it's ever been
before. i am asking you to dream big again as americans. i'm asking you to believe in yourself, to believe in your country, and to believe in your future because we've got a great future. what i've seen more than anything else is how great the future of our country is going to be. and if we do that, then all together we will make america strong again, stronger than ever before. we will make america rich again. a lot of people don't like the sound of that, but we need that to take care of our military, to take care of our veterans, to take care of all of the things that we have to. we're going to be a rich nation again. we're going to be a wealthy nation again. we're going to make america -- we're going to make america like it says on all of those caps, those millions and millions of caps that have been sold all over this country and all of those signs, we are going to
make america great again, greater than ever before. thank you, north carolina. thank you. we love you. god bless you, everybody. we will be back soon. thank you, north carolina! thank you. [ cheers and applause ] [chanting: usa, usa] >> you've been watching donald trump in fayetteville, north carolina. it is the second stop on what's being billed as his thank you tour. it started at least an hour and a half late because of some weather problems, as donald trump said at the top of his speech. it took him two hours to actually drive to this location. coming up at the top of the next hour in about 23 minutes from
now there's a cnn town hall hosted by van jones exploring how voters feel about mr. trump and the election. it is called "the messy truth" and it gets under way shortly. we will be looking at what democrats and republicans do moving forward, but first let's check in with jeff zeleny who is in fayetteville, who has been listing to president-elect trump. jeff, second night, similar speech to what we heard the first time and largely staying on prompter but certainly very receptive crowd in fayetteville waiting for the president-elect. >> reporter: a receptive crowd indeed, anderson. of course north carolina was in his victory column, and several thousand people waited several hours to hear him. anderson, i was struck by the discipline in president-elect trump's voice. he said that struck me at the end of his speech. he said, the script of what we're doing has not yet been written. it is a statement that gives delight and worry to some
republicans. you know, mostly worry to democrats, but republicans in particular, anderson, the ones i have talked to on capitol hill are wondering where he is going to go here, you know, just his first volley of proposals out of the gate indeed shows he is going to break some of the rules. he is going to break some of the old conventions in washington. so he also talked here a lot about veterans. of course, we're in the neighborhood, really the backyard of ft. bragg, and donald trump said he's going to have some big announcements on veterans policies coming next week. but he did not talk about boeing at all. one thing that he started the day by criticizing boeing, saying he was going to defend the american taxpayer perhaps at the expense of boeing. no mention of that tonight at all, anderson, but definitely a road forward to where he's going. now he will be doing these events in iowa this week, in louisiana, in michigan and in ohio as well, doing these thank you tours, but then he will get back to work and still fill out his cabinet.
secretary of state, the leading position, i'm told will not come this week but may come next week as he tries to get this all wrapped up by the christmas holidays. anderson. >> also interesting, jeff, the see donald trump sharing the stage tonight with his selection for secretary of defense. >> reporter: he did. he had retired general james mattis on stage with him just briefly, and he said that, you know, he still needs the waiver from congress. what he means by that is the only civilian can lead the department of defense. you have to be out of the military for seven years. general mattis has only been out for some three years. so he was very respectful in saying he needs congress to give him the waiver. now donald trump a little more brash. he said, oh, he'll get the waiver, think what happens if he doesn't get the waiver. now, most people believe he will, but senator john mccain told our own dana boesh he believes it will be a difficult road and they will need
democratic votes. but general "mad dog" mattis as they call him, was on stage. more importantly, he flew here with him and he had a discussion about the way forward with the pentagon. >> i want to bring in panelist, u.s.a. krir stin powers, dafl chal yen and retired air force colonel rick francona. kristen, you were watching the carefully, what stood out? >> one of the things was he stayed on teleprompter. he didn't spend a lot of time looking back and criticizing the media and going off script. it seemed he was trying to layout his foreign policy vision, in contrast to what president obama did, talking about peace through strength which is reagan-esque, talking about how important it is to take care of the military, take care of veterans, build up the
military. i think one thing he understands in having general mattis there as well is that the military is the only institution in our country who has a positive approval rating anymore. i think he probably recognizes it is good for him to be surrounded by military people and to also be talking in a positive way about the military. >> kelly? >> i think to me what stood out is president-elect trump has a tall order of goods going forward. he hit just about everything from taxes to the military to the va to foreign policy. >> right, said military personnel, you know, won't be waiting for days for a doctor and then go to a private doctor. >> absolutely. >> then go to a private doctor, it will be cheaper. it is a laundry list of promises. >> and these are hard things to deliver on. it is going to require work with congress. but i think if you were someone who watched this election and you saw just the vitriol back and forth between clinton and trump, tonight was probably encouraging because you didn't see that. what you saw was something for everyone. if you're in business, you will have a 15% low corporate tax
rate. if you are someone waiting in line at va, you won't have to do that any longer if he delivers. if you are someone nervous about president-elect trump, you watched to nientd you are encouraged. >> paul, during campaigns politicians make a lot of promises, but donald trump, you know, is continuing to promise a lot. >> i find that interesting. to be fair i set two standards for his transition, unite the country and staff his government. actually this speech did both of it is the first major trump speech ever seen without a villain. good for him. it is not a time to divide americans any longer. this nominee of general mattis is being very well received. he will need 60 votes, everybody else will need 50 because of the waiver jeff reported on, but very well received. good for him. kayleigh raises a third priority, which is manage expectations. we saw it about barack obama, we saw it about bill clinton, outsiders come in running on change. about this time is they ease off on the after burners, whoa, this is going to take a long time.
he did not. is still on over drive. if i were a trump adviser i would still worry we are going to overpromise and under deliver. democrats are recording every minute on videotape, and if everything he says doesn't come through it will look like a betrayal. >> i was thinking back to state of the union where presidents have a laundry list of pie in the sky idea goes. there was some of that, but it was more than that. >> i think it was a preview of the first speech he's going to give, not a state of the union but a joint address to congress in february or so. he said it straight out when he caught himself saying, starting to talk about poll numbers. he said we're not talking about the numbers now, we're bringing the country together. clearly it was an instruction in his mind and an out loud reminder to himself what the mission was here. i think he was totally focused on not trying to be divisive tonight. >> colonel francona, in terms of
the selection of general mattis, you have written favorably of this. i know for years you have been saying that the united states needs a -- sort of a war-time figure i believe is the term you used. >> yes, harkening back to the god father, i think general mattis is probably a middle of the road choice because he's got fans on both sides. i do believe that we need a stronger military bent in the secretary of defense. if you look at who we've had in the past, they tend to be managers and admin stlistratorst what we need right now is a leader. we need somebody with war-time experience because we're facing some real problems. if mr. trump is serious about revamping the military, restrengthening the military, he needs somebody that can oversee it while at the same time prosecuting the wars in the middle east. i know that, you know, mr. obama today was talking about not being involved in wars in the middle east, but we still have an uphill fight here. isis is not defeated yet, syria
is a mess and we have other outbreaks throughout north africa and the rest of the region that need to be addressed. i think general mattis with his experience and leadership ability is the right fit for that. there's going to be friction between mr. trump and general mattis because they don't see eye to eye on a lot of things, but i think general mattis can bring the right counsel to bear to make the right decisions. >> let's play some of what the general had to say tonight. >> thank you for the opportunity. i am grateful for the opportunity to return to our troops, their families, the civilians of the department of defense because i know how committed they are and devoted they are to the defense of our country, the defense of our constitution. and with our allies strengthened, with our country strengthened, i look forward to being the civilian leader so long as the congress gives me the waiver and the senate votes to consent. thank you very much. [ cheers and applause ]
>> also wise not to try to, you know, kind of outtalk the president-elect when you're sharing a stage with him. for viewers who were wondering, the whole notion somebody should be out of the military for seven years, that's basically goes to the whole notion of civilian oversight of the military. >> which is critical in our tradition. you know, when george washington moved from being general washington to president washington, he was never again called general. he want to make sure he set the precedent for civilian control of the military. this has happened once before. general marshall of the marshall plan who was one of the leading generals in the second world war was less than seven years before he was put in as pentagon chief. congress gave him a waiver. i think general mattis and president -- when he will be president trump will make a strong case in january. this is not where i would advise democrats to draw the line on mattis. >> you wouldn't advise them? >> no, i think they should fight
on tom price, who has offered several bills to private ties healthcare. they want to fight price to save medicare. >> we heard indications with every pick, this srnt the right person. we herald it with ben carson. we heard it with jeff sessions. you're, to pick this battle and make this your rallying cry, not allowing one of the most qualified people for secretary of defense probably ever to be nominated in, is just being a party of obstruction. we saw republicans do that. it didn't work out well eight years ago. i wouldn't advise the democrats to go down that route. >> the other question is with the laundry list of promises which -- and there's something for everybody in there, is of course there's no detail about how you're going to pay for it. that's not what this speech is about tonight. certainly that's not the kind of thing that would be brought up by any politician in this kind of a speech, but it does sort of beg the question of, you know, infrastructure spending, veterans, there's not going to
be any wait foreseei seeing a d. >> there will be hefty price tags assigned to a lot of what he ticked through tonight. you're right, this is not the time for that. the scrutiny will come on that, there's no doubt about it, though listening to him throughout the campaign and in this transition period i don't sense president-elect trump is all that concerned about deficit spending or growing the deficit. that hasn't been the rallying cry. this is where we might see tension between president-elect trump and paul ryan and some of the more fiscal house conservatives on the republican side. >> not just fiscal reality but just actual reality. van jones has pointed out many times if you promise you're going to bring back coal and expand fracking, you can't do both. one of the reasons coal is dying because fracking produced natural gas at abundant levels and low prices, which priced coal out of the market. you can't keep both of those because it gets in the way. >> we're going to take a quick
we're now just a few minutes away from a cnn special town hall. you see the audience talking to voters about donald trump and the election. "the messy truth" gets under way about seven minutes. we are talking about donald trump's speech in north carolina which some might say had a bit of poetry along with the usual proceeds. listen. >> the script to what we're doing is not yet written. remember, this has been a great, great movement, the likes of which they've never seen before, the likes of which those folks back there that write the
stories -- no, no. no, i'll tell you, and they're saying it, they've never seen anything like this before. it is one of the great political phenomenons of all time. we're going to show them, we're going to do a great job. we're going to create a safe country. we're going to create a prosperous country. we'll have great jobs, not bad jobs, real jobs. it will be something special, and hopefully they will write the truth. i think of t.e. lawrence who said nothing is written. back with the panel. colonel francona, what did you make of donald trump's comments tonight? certainly in an entirely, sort of foreign doctrine than president obama. at one point he talked about we shouldn't be fighting foreign regimes that we know nothing about and shouldn't be involved with. >> yeah, i took that to be a direct reference to syria because, as you know, we've got this bifurcated foreign policy
in syria. we want over throw of bashar al assad regime and defeat isis. the two situations on the ground in syria are opposed. i think we will be reckoning -- a new reckoning in syria about what our foreign policy is going to be. i fear we may be -- we may be backing off of the overthrow of bashar al assad regime, and possibly getting in bed with the russians and turks and everybody else to fight isis. so i think that that hasn't been resolved yet, but i think it is where it is going. this is where general mattis comes in because i think mobs of the military people that were concerned about donald trump believe mattis to be the voice of reason, and for that reason i think paul bagalla is right, he will get through the senate. >> hover picks, general rat mattis, but whoever he specks for secretary of state, donald trump will be sending the policy to the secretary of state that will have to execute.
what president-elect says or a candidate says is often different or even what they set out as president hoping tore their foreign policy or lack of involvement in the world, they often get sucked into things. we've seen it time and again. >> yeah, well, i mean things -- obviously terrible things can happen like 9/11 happened and it completely changed george bush's view of the world and view of foreign policy. i think that what trump was doing here was actually sort of taking a bipartisan slap. i think he was talking about the bush administration and the obama administration. i don't think he was just talking about syria. i think he was talking about we need to stop the cycle of intervention, that's libya, iraq, afghanistan. i think he is saying basically -- he is sending out pretty isolationist point of view. >> america first, it echos back to that idea. >> he said all of the intervention led to chaos for years and he wants to completely cut off that cycle of kei os. >> the question though, he's often referenced egypt as well and the whole arab spring. the u.s. supported mubarak for
decades in egypt. would a trump administration support a strong man like mu r mubarak. >> during the campaign he was in favor of strong -- >> president obama says reality has a way of intruding, and it will with this new president. i'm sure syria is the coming decision he has to make, but i heard echos of iraq. he is still caught in this fight within his party between the trump view, which is iraq was a disaster, and the john bolton view who apparently is still on the long list for secretary of state. some of the people he is looking at to entrust our national foreign people to were hawkish rudy giuliani and john bolton among them, beat the drums to go to war in iraq, which trump believes was a disaster. >> you're exactly right. you have the neoconservative
hawkish wing and up might see people like bolton working and serve in an administration that i wouldn't say is isolationist, but american first, isn't going to immediate willing, was opposed to drawing a line in syria, but he said if he had drawn it he would have enforced it. it is will be fascinating to see people like john bolton, because i think at the end of the day the president-elect will make the decisions. >> it is easy again when you're running to talk about drawing a line, but when you're the president and images on the nightly news of people being shot at crosswalks or somalia at the height of the famine, there's that pull to name just two things that the u.s. ended up getting involved with. >> and when there's a crisis and you have to make a decision like you have never had to make before and you have people coming in who have a lot more experience than you do and making arguments to a certain extents, that's what happened with the iraq war. you had neoconservatives who came in and basically said we
need to do this, we need to remake the middle east, and there was a crisis and a decision had to be made. the question is how sure is donald trump about what his world view is, how sure is he that he doesn't want to get involved in it. >> who was more shore than barack obama? he came in absolutely certain he wanted to unwind these wars, they gave him the nobel peace prize before he did anything, and he has used drones and lethal force far more aggressively than george bush did. it has been astonishing how reality intruded. >> that's where you will see general mattis by every indicator playing a huge role in the administration. it is clear that mad dog mattis gained the president of the president-elect, and i suspect he will have a large voice along with general flynn. >> that's why i think the secretary of state gets more important because you have the mattis piece now, you have flynn who is quite controversial obviously as national security adviser. the third leg of the tool around the president to help shape this
is so critical, and it seems from the long list that he doesn't -- there's not a preferred course at the moment. >> we're going to be hearing more from donald trump obviously in the days ahead. i want to thank everybody on our panel tonight. that does it for ♪ donald trump introducing general james mattis as his pick for defense secretary. the president-elect almost daring his critics to try to mount a challenge. and trump insisting he sold all of his stockholdings in june, but how can he verify that. the fact that people in nations do not make good decisions when they are driven by fear. >> a word of advise from president obama to his successor about fighting terrorism, but is donald trump even listening. good morning and welcome to "early start." i'm