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9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific, only here an cnn. and that's it me for. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. a union boss says trump lied his ass off about saving carrier jobs. he's "outfront" tonight. and president trump today gushing about how much he likes obama. and this is true. how did it happen? let's go "outfront." i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, all time high. the dow today surging nearly 300 point. that puts it at a record. and it is thanks to donald trump. the dow up over 1200 points since he won the white house. this surge coming even as trump
is taking on big business. today the president elect doubling down on his threats to cancel boeing's air force one contract. >> we're going to get the prices down. and if we don't get the prices down we're not going order them. >> trump did not stop with boeing today. also slamming some of america's most powerful companies. the drug makers, telling time magazine here i'm quoting trump, i'm going to bring down drug prices. i don't like what's happened with drug price. he also said he's going after companies individual whose ship jobs overseas. trump reportedly said to his chief of staff, i can call themselves myself, five minutes apiece. they won't be leaving. sara murray is outside of trump tower tonight. the president elect sending a very clear message to american companies, big companies today. >> reporter: that's right. and while in the past --.
it is clear donald trump is ready to be a different kind of president. he told time magazine he wants to see drug prices come down. of course that is on the heels of him striking up a deal with carrier not to move jobs overseas, as well as issuing this threat to boeing that he would cancel an order for new air force one jets. all of this as donald trump is building out his potential white house reading some new names in the mix today. his pick to head the epa. oklahoma attorney general scott prewitt. this could be a controversial pick. we're already seeing democrats seize on some of his past comments and call him a climate change denier. and he has questioned the impact of course on climate change in the past and he's been really in lock step with donald trump on a number of issues, particularly being critical of epa regulations that effects the coal industry. i think we could e expect to see a little billionth bit of democratic push back from him on the hill.
and formerly the ceo of the wwe is trump's be pick to lead the small business administration. donald trump was impressed with her business experience. part of the reason he felt she was the right back. and even know as a candidate donald trump might have been a little dismissive of the knowledge of the generals ux he's certainly tapping them to help him as he builds his white house team. and john kelly to lead the department of homeland security. no official announcement from the trump team on that yet but a source confirms the pick to cnn. >> thank you. a lot of developments today. and thump's threat to boeing is dominating the conversation at the plant in washington state that actually would make the air force one jet. dan you were there at the plant and you have been talking to workers and what are they telling you? >> hi erin. i spoke to a lot of workers. some off camera but many on camera as well. and i have to say there is a general feeling of
disappointment. you have to understand these people take a lot of pride in what they do. they are making the president's airplane. so the mere notion he could cancel the order in a casual tweet is insulting. >> the majority that i've talked to said that trump really doesn't know what he's talking about. >> reporter: boeing employees weighing in on trump's war of words with the company. >> i think a lot are disappointed right now. hell yeah. >> i was dumbfounded about why -- why he would say something like that. >> what trump said or tweeted was this "boeing is building a brand new 777 air force one for future presidents, but costs are out of control. more than 4 billion. cancel order. we're going to get the prices down and if we don't get the prices down we're not going to order them. we're going to stay with what we have. the current pair of presidential 747s is aging. nearly 30 years old and increasingly expensive to fly and maintain. the air force has yet to place a formal order for new planes.
but it set an initial budget of nearly 3 billion through 2021. some analysts say a price tag rising to 4 billion isn't out of question. >> air force one is incredibly expensive on a pure dollar basis. remember this is a flying military command post. it isn't just a vip airplane. >> vip features not found on your typical plane. air force one has to be capable of in-flight refuelling. and also has to have missile avoidance systems and protections from the pulse of a nuclear blast. >> and let's also remember too this airplane is going to last the next series of presidents for another 30 years. >> boeing's ceo and president elect say they will work together to keep the costs down. one boeing work who are voted for trump said he didn't have much of a problem with the controversial tweet? >> is it disappointing though to some workers that he'd say that. >> possibly. i don't know if it is with me.
>> reporter: if they were to lose the business. >> it is a morale killer basically. >> it is an enormous source of pride for the community. and long considered a pillar for the plane maimer. but this boeing machinist, didn't vote for trump and he's not impressed with what he's seen so far. >> you know he just doesn't think about what he's saying. and he just blurts, you know. so -- i mean that is just my opinion. >> now, analysts say the pblt f possibility of a couple of 747s out of the pipeline even if we're talking about the air force one probably would not have an impact on the jobs or the pocketbooks. "outfront" now.
anthony skaramuchi. you saw dan's piece. one employee there at the end -- >> great to be with you by the way. >> nice to see you. you know, he doesn't believe what president elect says. but the other guy i thought that was very interesting said it is basically a morale killer. >> everyone is entitled to their opinion. it is clearly not meant to be a morale killer. i personally don't think it is a morale killer. what i do think it is is a very deal-oriented american president that is looking at taxpayer money very judiciously the same way he would as a private company holder. and hooebs looking at the expenses and knows intuitively it's a little out of whack and would like to get it back in a zone he's more comfortable with. what we do know with pentagon procurement, if you are losing $25 billion a year in procurement in terms of the
inefficiency, let's try to clean that up for the american taxpayer. so all the president elect is basically trying to message to people is that i'm going to be out there looking after your money like it is my own money. >> somebody had said look, washington post. very interesting story. $125 billion in money spent and they basically hid it was spent badly. trump could have tweeted about that. i'm going to do something about it. instead of i'm going after a specific airplane and a specific linebacker of people who work on and cancel an order. >> the plane is super symbolic. and for the viewers, the colors were designed by jackie onassis. this is the presidency when it lands all over the world. he's trying to send a big message to the american people, that we can get the plane on time and underbudget. that is going to be one thing very famously said throughout washington over the next four years. when you look at the numbers,
the analysts are tell you the numbers are staggering and we can reign those numbers in. and i believe he's going to work this out with the chairman of boeing. we're going to get a great outcome. he's looking after the american worker. he's looking after the american taxpayer. how is that a bad thing? >> i want to talk to you about the markets. you talk about boek and then there was carrier and now softbank. and held up the picture and it was $50 billion of investments, 50,000 jobs in the united states. the president elect said without him this couldn't wouldn't happen. how did it come to be? >> i wasn't involved in the day-to-day negotiations of the deal but this is how the deals go down philosophically for the president elect. he's basically now viewing himself as would have been america's biggest spokespeople for the whole mantra of we're open for business. when masa yoshi met with him.
the message is we're open for business. what can we do to maximize your investment in the united states and how can i increase these jobs for working families in the middle class. >> donald trump going to hold them accountable? this is right now very pie in the sky. $50 billion. they don't even necessarily have it. is he going to hold them accountable for 50,000 jobs. >> i don't think he's going to need to. he's going to deliver on that. so my guess is though if he didn't deliver on that for some reason, could there be some possible soreness? yes. but let's not go there. we've got a great opportunity to send a message to others that america is open for business and let's put it back to work. >> one thing that stood out. and i'm curious your take on it. softbank says a hundred million. of the money they already have for sure the vast majority is
saudi arabia. donald trump repeatedly attacked hillary clinton for accepting money. let me play what we said and give you a schans to respond. >> saudi arabia giving $25 million. qatar. all of these countries. why don't you give back the money that you have taken from certain countries that treat certain groups of people so horribly? >> i think she should give back the 25 to $35 million she's taken from saudi arabia. >> how is it different? >> i think it is very different. on a number of different fronts. first is we're going back into the campaign rhetoric now. so i want to stay away from that. focus on the future. but it is very different because the foundation there was a lot of inauspicious things that were going on in the foundation. the foundation is currently under fbi investigation. so the money that went into the foundation is not really clear how it went in and what the link was, the consideration -- >> the point i was raising --
>> -- [inaudible]. >> okay. well it's human rights record of saudi arabia. she's out there with her platform which is diametrically opposed to that. why this is different. as the business person that is fundable capital going into the united states that is going to benefit the american worker. and what we know about the world is there is a lot of gray in the world. and what i can say about the new secretary of state and new vision for our foreign policy we're certainly going to project the benevolent america we all want us to be and we're going let people know no saudi arabia that women should drive cars and there should be a level of quality. but he's a business person and he's practical and instinctive. and let's put that money to work for the american people. we dropped 8 million people below the poverty line. we're let's take the money and put it to work for the american
people. >> and stay with me. i'm going to be talking to a union president with carrier who said trump lied his ass off about saving carrier jobs. i'm going to give anthony a chance to respond. and file this under the old saying politics makes strange bedfellows. >> we have a very good dialogue. and i must tell you, you know, i never met him before this. and i never spoke to him before this. i really -- i do like him. your path to retirement may not always be clear. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call us or your advisor t. rowe price. invest with confidence.
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jobs are still going to mexico. i want to speak to him in a moment but first manu raju on capitol hill. democrats are criticizing this deal. but you have been speaking to republicans now who also aren't on board with the carrier deal? >> reporter: right. everyone's happy that jobs are staying in the united states versus going to mexico. but what republicans are not happy about are some of the tactics that donald trump is using. particularly picking winners and losers in this economy. there are some who are exercising, warning that donald trump should exercise some caution if he continues to use a similar tactic going forward. this is what republican senator tom tils told me moments ago. >> i think you have to be. what you don't want to do. what happens with that is uncertainty in business and economic recovery does not like uncertainty. we got to get to a point where we know it is a level playing
field. but i think these are things that were important to him and i admire him for living up to his promise. >> tils is giving the president some credit. but democrats are also raising concerns and doubts about this deal, especially in light of suggestions donald trump may be overstating how successful the deal was. as donald trump could out the it, erin watch for democrats to raise more and more questions about how successful it actually was. >> and "outfront" now chuck jones. president of the united states steel workers local 1999. and i appreciate your time tonight. donald trump has proudly, repeatedly talked about saving 1100 jobs in indianapolis. here he is. >> i will tell you that united technologies and carrier stepped it up. and now they are keeping -- actually the number is over 1100 people. which is so great.
which is so great. >> we're saving the jobs at the carrier plant from going to mexico. 1,100 jobs. >> chuck, is this true? >> no, ma'am. when carrier announced the close down the whole facility in february, they announced at that point in time the research and development jobs, about 350 of them were going to remain here in indianapolis. then when mr. trump got involved what the actual in number of jobs saved is 730 bargaining unit jobs, the workers, the union members. and another 70 office, supervisory clerical workers from management. and what they are doing is counting in 350 some odd more that were never leaving this country at all. and i think he's did a lot of negotiations and i have
likewise. and if you are dealing with people's livelihoods you sure in the world ought to know what the numbers are. >> carrier obviously as you know had come out. they had their own statement. and they said they were retaining, just quoting now here. retaining staff and preserving more than 1,000 jobs. the chairman of united technology, gregory hayes also mentioned 1100 jobs at that event with trump. do you think the problem is can with carrier? they were giving him the wrong numbers? >> if you want to add up the research and development jobs it is 1100. but like i said earlier those jobs were never leaving the country anyway. so they are going to have 1100 jobs mere in the city. what nobody is mentioning is 550 people, excuse me, are losing their jobs. >> i want to ask you about that. there is the issue here of how many jobs were saved and you are pointing out a discrepancy
there. but the whole point is donald trump is trying to do is saying these jobs are not going to go to mexico. he's going stop that. he's using carrier and planting his flag. you are now saying 550 jobs are still going to mexico even after donald trump's deal. >> that's correct. 550 jobs in the indianapolis facility. and then there is a huntington facility and 700 jobs are also going to mexico from there. >> do you want donald trump to do something about it? when he hears this, maybe he doesn't know this. >> well he'll know it by now. well i want to say this, first of all i appreciate mr. trump getting involved and saving as many people's livelihoods as he did. so i don't think that can go without being said. i just wish he'd have had the numbers down and he'd have been up front with 800 people's jobs staying here in inladianapolis.
but we have a lot of the our members when the word is coming out of 1100, they thought that they would have a job. and then they find out the next day after -- next friday, that most likely they weren't. 550 were still going to lose their jobs. >> so you are saying some of those 550 people, they really thought -- that number -- that misspeak that to some people doesn't seem like much, to them it was they thought they had a job. for a few days they truly thought they had a job. >> yea. they went through a letdown period when the company announced the close down. so they probably accepted the fact at some point in time they were going to lose their livelihood. and all ofls this enters in and you hear better than 1100 jobs retained in indianapolis. those folks probably had to think okay i'm keeping my job. only to find out last friday well, no, there are 550 bhg laid off. that never was mentioned by anybody.eing laid off. that never was mentioned by anybody.
trump, pence nor any of them mentioned the 550 going to mexico. >> i don't think a lot of people knew there are still 550 jobs from that plant still going to mexico. >> thank you very much. we really appreciate letting us tell our side of the story. >> and anthony is back with me. you heard what he had to say. and it was pretty pointed. what seems like a misspeak. whether it was donald trump or carrier. there were people who thought they had jobs. people who thought they were going to get their jobs back and then they didn't and now there are 550 jobs still going to mexico. >> my dad was in a union. when i see mr. jones my heart goes out to him. my heart goes out to the struggle these families have in these situations. what i say to him is there probably are 500 jobs going out. and i have to accept him on his word on that.
-- and we are here to try to fix it. and what i admire for mr. zwroens, he's fighting for the american worker and he didn't acknowledge that mr. trump is going to be on his side helping the american work. there is a big problem out there. we're losing jobs in our manufacturing base and those families that are going on out of work over the holidays, that is a very sad thing. more governmental dependency. a reduced tax revenue for state and for the federal government. and we've got to do a better job. >> what is donald trump going to do about it? i know his argument is i'll do it with every company individually. i have no problem doing that. i'll do that. and then the rest of them will come in line. but now basically carrier, the first company out there. they kept some jobs. but they are still sending that very plant -- >> he's not here so i'm going to are have to speak for him. i think what mr. trump would say is listen, the obvious fact is tens of thousands of jobs have left. many more are going to be leaving. we jumped in there to try to
stop this. my hat's off to vice president pence for helping doing that. and i have empathy for the pain of that union leader because he doesn't want those people to lose their jobs. what him here to say is we're going to be out there in the administration helping the people. but there is a bigger point. yes will trump make a five minute call and advocate to keep the jobs here? sure. but we're going to lower the corporate tax base and reduce the regulation. you and i are business people. that is going to lead to better. >> you talked about leo dicaprio and donors. joking to donors his career was over. what happened at that breakfast? you were there. >> he's a very entertaining human being. a stage performer. as elton john has said he's the best stage performer in the world that can't sing or play a
musical instrument. and he's got impeccable delivery. but he was recounting for us the roller coaster ride he was feeling on election day. he was getting a lot of information about exit polling and the intuition is well i'm sure the exit polling is wrong. and then 9:00 or so, the breaking news, breaking news. and it was really funny. >> and he thought it was over and his career was over. >> that is something he did say and i have to admire this about him. he said, you know, i put it all out there on the field. he talked about giving six rallies in one day. one in michigan at 1:00 in the morning. and he told mrs. trump and said this in front of about a thousand people. i left it all on the field. i'm at peace with myself if i don't win because i tried my hardest. do you know what i love about the interaction in the speech is
that he is relacking. he's super confident about the job. he's super determined and he's coming to work every day thinking okay is this in the best interest of the american people. not the people who voted for him. not the people in my little group. it could be the pro trump people, the maybe trumper and the anti-trumper people. and so this is a remarkable experience for me to be this close to history and watch who i think is going to be a phenomenal president help that union leader bring more jobs back and create wage growth in the society. we definitely need it. >> next more details on what donald trump said to donors. you heard anthony giving some details. he was in the room. and donald trump on the man he once called a disaster and the worst president in american history. >> we have a really good chemistry together. we talk. i really like him as a person. 3
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regularly. including his kabtd picks. saying he loves getting his ideas.cabinet picks. saying he loves getting his ideas. >> i take his recommendations very seriously. and there are some people i will be appointing and in one case have appointed where he thought very highly of that person. >> is this a new -- of course if this is true and it is truicious it is a new chapter. a completely new chapter. so some it would be an alternate universe but it is really happening. michelle kosinski is "outfront." >> erase if you can for a moment all the nastiness of the campaign trail. >> we are led by stupid people. okay? we're led by stupid people. >> donald trump is uniquely unqualified to be our chief executive. temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief. >> reporter: and now listen to donald trump today calling into the morning tvrgs. >> we have a very good dialogue. and i must tell you, you know i never met him before this.
and i never spoke to him before this. i really -- i do like him. i love getting his ideas. >> reporter: since the election the president and president elect have had. >> at least a handful of conversations. >> is as specific as the white house will get. so is the feeling mutual. >> does the president enjoy these phone calls? >> the president is pleased he can play a role in ensuring a smooth and effective transition. president obama was not just a willing participant in those kind of conversations. but rather he would welcome the opportunity to be as helpful as he possibly could to the incoming president. >> caller: the white house wouldn't weigh in on whether they have a good rapport now. instead reiterating the deep concerns expressed during the campaign have not gone away. much of what donald trump talked about today regarding the several lengthy phone calls for advice he's had with president
obama focused on his choices for cabinet and white house positions. >> i would say that yes, i take his recommendations very seriously. and there are some people that i will be appointing. and in one case have appointed. where he thought very highly of that person. >> no word on who that might have been. the white house press secretary josh earnest did complement general james mattis, but then made a point the set up a contrast, a challenge between donald trump's choices and the people president obama surrounded himself with. naming a few of president obama's choices as those whoa said served the american people well. >> the kinds of people president elect trump has chosen appear to have in many cases different priority, different styles. and in some cases starkly
different bafrlgsed cansment different bank accounts. but an experiment the american people in all their wisdom have chosen to conduct. >> reporter: so what you definitely don't hear is the white house paying any complements to donald trump and his team. at least not yet erin. >> michelle. "outfront" now executive editor mark preston. david gergen. kayleigh mcenany and maria cardona. this is really happening and it's been happening for two weeks now. donald trump talking about how much he likes barack obama. he means it. now it is not just that he likes him h. he's asking him for advice on cabinet picks. this is truly happening. >> right. they are besties now. go back six months or seven months and barack obama potentially was even a citizen
in the united states or qualified to hold the office. going back over that time i truly don't believe donald trump ever thought barack obama wasn't born in the united states but did it because it helped him politically and it drew a lot of attention. but, you know, i do think both men get credit because donald trump is reaching out to somebody that understanding what the situation is right now. has just gone through eight years and barack obama is embracing it. that is a small club of people who have actually served in that office. david has been with four of them. so we should embrace the fact. the next move is when will he call bill clinton because we know bill clinton likes to talk. >> president obama might be the easiest one to mend fences with. but in all seriousness david world health organization needs who more? clearly donald trump needs barack obama? he needs his help. it benefits him to be with barack obama but barack obama also needs donald trump. he needs him. >> i don't think one needs more than the other. barack obama's legacy, and a
special on that tonight here on cnn. his legacy to considerable extent rests with donald trump. what happens to the affordable care act and the iranian agreement. these are big deals. if he unwinds a lot of that obama's legacy should be quite different. let me just say i think he's doing the right thing and i'm glad he's listening to president obama. jack kennedy you know when he came in. he had a fierce campaign against the eisenhower administration. but eisenhower turned out to be would have been his best mentors early in the presidency. really important aft the cuban missile crisis and everything -- i mean the bay of pigs. but similarly bill clinton told me once that the best advice he ever got on russia came from all places richard nixon. >> interesting. so it is important to go to that. so few people who have held that office. today maria, donald trump was named time magazine person of the year.
the subheadline was president of the divided states of america. trump asked about that today. categorically disagreed. here he is. >> when you say divided states of america. i didn't divide them. the they are divided now. there is a lot of division. i think putted divided is snarkky. again it is divided. i'm not president yet. i didn't do anything to divide. >> not surprising that that is something that he would say. >> not surprising. -- then went on to talk about banning muslims. then went on to insult judge curiel, mexican/american judge. and he did so much to divide this country and he's yet to take responsibility for the kind of divisions and hateful -- and
it is not just rhetoric. the "new york times" started a column called the week in hate to track hate crimes that have risen specifically because of the donald trump campaign and now specifically because he's president elect. and the things going on around the country are jaw-dropping. swastikas in schools and churches. and latino kids being made fun of and taunted they are going to be deported. i think he has the responsibility to step up and try to unite us. >> we tend to ignore all the violence that's gone on towards trump supporters. the homeless woman beaten up. and do you know why that is? we have a culture of division started long before donald trump. and i put it on barack obama. not recognizing that most police officers are good. not recognizing that most american citizens are good. he divided us.
and late the fault lines of the division all throughout the president and laid further by commentators who say he called all mexicanis rapists which he did not do. we eliminate nuance we infuriate and scare a lot of groups and i think it is irresponsible and the divisions are here because of the left. >> he did say most. some are good people. most mexicans are rapist. >> he said when mexico sends people. much like when cuba sent people in the -- that is a small contingent of people. that's way it -- >> -- he talked about deporting the 11 million undocumented immigrants, again. divisiveness and has never done anything to take responsibility for it and so say look either i didn't mean those or let's get together to try to fix this -- >> immigration and nationality
act? >> you don't think he's been divisive at all? >> not in the is it slightest. >> we're in the twilight zone here? zblz the problem. >> -- the law. you treat it as hate to say he wants to enforce the laws on the books. if you think that's hateful take it up with -- >> when he first premised that by calling mexican immigrants rapist and the criminals. >> -- >> yeah he did. he said those the day he announced his campaign. and -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> that is -- then why is there such a huge percentage rise in hate crimes specifically since donald trump pronounced his campaign for president. it is not a coincide. >> -- violence in this country that has nothing do with donald trump. if anything has do with the last eight years of the president. >> of course all the blame doesn't belong to donald trump, of course things went back earlier but to say he hasn't contributed to the divisions in the country i think is sort of
like turning a blind eye and ideological eye somewhere else. >> i think who's contributed more to the division are the people who have tried to paint donald trump as a racist as a xenophobe. hillary clinton devote sod many speech os that and her words have divided this country. not donald trump. >> we're going to take a pause. tonight it will be fareed zakaria talking with prob about his time in the white house. the legacy of the barack obama. that is here on cnn at 9:00 tonight. and next what was obama's former chief of staff doing at trumpet today? and the stock market soaring in the wake of the trump's selection. does donald trump get all the credit?
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>> because of the strong wording trump has used on immigration on the campaign trail. because he's proven to be so unpredict blg. all of this has led to uncertainty. even for those who are here legally. >> -- consistent enough for anybody to truly trust him. >> so this is your insurance policy. >> yes. exactly. that would be an excellent way to put it. this is my insurance policy. >> natalia's insurance against donald trump and the white house. >> wednesday after the elections i downloaded the forms. >> the forms to officially become an american. for the first time this legal resident is officially filing for citizenship because of one reason. >> i've been so nervous and frightened. >> she came to the united states from mexico in 2002 on a student visa. earned a ph.d. and is now
assista assistant professor at the university of southern christian. married to an american. has a child. none of that matters she believes in trump's america. >> i really would like to have all of our bases covered. >> it is sill lot knob afraid i think. it is irresponsible not to be afraid of what he's able do o are what he might do. one might plolook for the protection of the citizenship. >> reporter: government figures show a 25% increase than the year before in citizenship applications. immigration lawyers say requests are flooding that you are offices. >> it has tripled, the demand for our services and that is only the people we're able to answer the phone calls for and people we're able to meet with.
>> and there are people you can't? >> there are people we can't meet with. the demand for our services is absolutely endless. >> reporter: to get here. >> right now it is just a relief. for me. >> reporter: maria yvette diaz is a new u.s. citizen. swearing in with o100 others in chicago at this nationalization ceremony. >> i just feel safe now. >> a chance of safety natalia seeks. this college professor hopes it also legacies her as an american. sadly she fears among many in this country it won't. >> i am mexican. i am a woman. i am immigrant and there are people who will not look past that. >> >> reporter: trump has said that he welcomes immigrants who are here legally, the ones who play by the rules but those immigrants say he has been so
unpredictable that they don't trust him and it is hard to tell what he will and will not do. kyung lah thank you. breaking news now. donald trump moments after our interview, tweeted let me read the tweet. chuck jones who's president of the united steel workers 199 has done a terrible job representing the workers. no wonder company flee the country. i want to talk about this now for a moment. chuck jones just came on and talked about how he was so upset because a lot of his workers thought their jobs were going to be save and they weren't. because the numbers didn't audit up. but he thanked mr. trump for the squobs he has saved so far and trump moments later also said this tweet. >> he also was rude about donald trump in the way he said he was lied. >> not tonight.
but he had said before. >> yes. >> that trump lied his ass off. he used the quote. so that is true. >> and and what you are seeing now is exactly what -- we shouldn't surprised. we were told this was going to happen. we were told the president elect has a very thin skin when it comes to personal criticism. and what chuck jones did was basically call the president elect out on this. the emperor's new clothes. this is what this is about. the emperor's new clothes. the numbers the president elect said are not the true numbers. jobs have been saved. no question about it. no doubt there are happy people this holiday season. >> but -- by the way which point chuck jones made on this program. >> right. there is no merit and value to this tweet toe attack a union leader who just for disagreeing. because where does it end? everybody time somebody does something you don't like, does he pick up and tweet? that is the worrying part about? this. >> and he was asked about his
use of twitter. i'm just looking for it right now. it was asked about his use of twitter earlier today in a interview with matt lauer. and let me quote i think i am very restrained and i talk about important things. that is a modern day communication. i get it out much more faster than a press release. that is what he -- >> right. and you and i have talked about this before. it is either strategy or naivety and foolishness. there is not a lot of middle ground between these two. if it is strategy it is not immediately clear how attacking chuck jones tonight after your interview helps him. you rise above it. you move on. he's a union leader and the president elect of the united states. if it is naive or it is foolishness, then lord knows where it all ends up in the days and weeks ahead. it means every time somebody criticizes you are going to -- and what eventually of course will happen is it will devalue
the currency. eventually if you tweet this stuff off often people simply ignore it. oh there he goes again. >> we're going to have chuck jones in a moment back on to respond. we have him? mr. jones, can you hear me? >> reporter: . >> caller: i can hear you. >> you were on the show earlier. president of the united technologies steel workers europe union. donald trump tweeted about you. chuck jones has done a terrible job representing workers. no wonder companies flee country. >> first of all that wasn't very nice. but that must mean i'm doing a good job. because these people are making
a decent wage at carrier. and i feel like i'm somewhat involved in making that happen. and he does everything he can to keep unions out of his hotels and casinos in this country, depriving them of making a living wage. so i don't put a whole hell of a lot of faith in anything he says. i just don't pay a lot of attention to him. >> do you still standby what you told me earlier. you had your frustrations. you thought he should have had the numbers right but you were still grateful in saving the jobs he did save t nearly $800 jobs from carrier do. you still standby that is this. >> i stand by that a 100%. and instead of saying hey, i got that wrong and jones is right on his numbers, then he wants to attack me. i think that is pretty low down, low life. and you know, does it bother me? no hell no.
i'm going to still be able to sleep tonight and life will go on tomorrow for me. >> why do you think he sent this tweet out? as he said you appeared on the program and a few days later he sent this out. why do you think he did it? >> caller: he likes to feel like whatever he says is correct and he don't like to be challenged. and i was challenging him and he wasn't listening to the part where i thanked him for saving 800 jobs. only part he paid a hell of a lot of attention to is where i think he did wrong by promising 1100 some-od jobs would remain in indianapolis and he saved them and it is a falsehood and i think he got caught in a deal which he'd need to bail out so his way of doing it, attacking me. >> what happens from here. i had asked his economic transition chiefs appeared after your interview and asked him what donald trump would do about the 550 jobs from carrier that
were still going to mexico. he said he didn't challenge you on those numbers. he trusted you on those numbers but it is unclear whether donald trump is going to do anything more about that or not at this time. what is your response to that. >> caller: well, you know, i surely hope he would make an attempt to try to see what he dould with the 550 jobs remaining here and keep them in this country and we can go from there. but, you know, attacking me. i didn't ask for. i didn't attack him. i just called him out on where i felt like he misled the people. and if you don't like it. it's tough, as far as my concern. >> we were talking chuck. i'm here with richard quest and we were talking a moment ago how trump, you know, he saw your interview. he perhaps had also seen a quote from you in a newspaper when you had talked about him in less diplomatic terms that be you did with me. you said -- the quote you gave was "donald trump lied his ass off about those jobs." as i said. different words than you use with me. but do you think those words
would in any way merit him choosing to go on twitter and attack you personally. >> if i thought it upset him without a doubt. but i was stating what i felt like he did. he got up there and, you know, talked about 1100 jobs remaining here in indianapolis. which is a falsehood. and deny ever stating anything that he promised to keep these carrier jobs in this country, which was a falsehood. so, you know, i was just calling him out on some of the things that he was less than honest with. and evidently he didn't like it. >> so will it be possible for you to work with donald trump at this point? that negotiation that happened with those jobs? jobs for your union? did your union have anything do with the trump administration at all in that negotiation? or was that done by carrier and united technologies. >> that was united technologies and mr. trump. but no, i wouldn't have any
problem at all working with him or anybody else in order to try to keep jobs in this country. you know, all of us are going to disagree with on certain things at certain times. but if in fact he decided he wanted to include me or us in a process of keeping 550 remaining jobs, i would definitely work with the man. >> well chuck jones, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> caller: i sure appreciate you giving me opportunity to explain my side of it. >> chuck jones joining us again, his response. richard, what do you make of this? even what he said and he had some pretty unpleasant words to say about donald trump as well. the bottom line is still willing to work with him. >> absolutely. >> everyone though donald trump just said this. >> because donald trump agenda is still his agenda, which is to save american jobs and to bring american jobs back. and that shows i think huge
magnetism of chuck jones and the union workers in this respect. >> -- still work together. >> absolutely. because the agenda is the same thing. i think he's a bit shell -- not shell shocked. but bemused by the fact that the president elect should choose to retaliate. and that is what this is. this is a retaliation. >> this is something that would not have happened with any other president. certainly not president obama. but this is the way donald trump is. >> get used to it. there is more of it to come. >> and then -- and let me just end this on the question for you of market rally. which trump takes credit for. and he should take credit for. >> completely. the as trump rally. >> the very issue. the jobs issue. the anti-globalization message that this rally will end. >> no. i will leave it at t that. it is not going to. it's got legs. >> it's real. >> there is stimulus. and fiscal stimulus. and still management stimulus in the. every government policy is going
to begin towards growth. this has got legs because company profits are going to rise. >> as that story literally developed on this program this hour. thanks for joining us. ac 360 with anderson starts right now. thanks for joining us. we begin with the president elect of the united states donald trump tweeting moments ago about a story that aired just moments ago on cnn, namely erin burnett's interview with a union leader at center of the carrier jobs story. here is the tweet. chuck jones who is pres of united steel workers 1999 has done a terrible job representing workers. no wonder companies flee country." let's explain what's going on here. this man was on erin burnett's show and a short time right afterdonald trump is tweeting about him. >> right. donald trump i