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character and intellect, most of the country believes it was a bet that paid off. i'm fareed zakaria. thanks for joining us. you just saw our cnn special report, the the legacy of barack obama. will donald trump's legacy be twitter tie raids. >> breaking news, the president-elect lashes out tonight at the union leader who said this to the our aaron burnett about trump's carrier deal. >> there is 550 being laid off. now that never was mentioned by anybody. trump, pence, or anybody of them never mentioned about 550 moving to monterey, mexico. >> well, donald trump taking to twitter almost immediately saying, quote, chuck jones who is president of united steelworkers 1999 has done a
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terrible job representing workers. no wonder companiesfree country. let's get right to our panel. good evening to you all. dana, you first. tonight donald trump apparently watching a interview here on cnn with a union rep critical of how trump portrayed the carrier deal and then lashing out at him. what happened? >> you laid it out. donald trump did not like that criticism. did not like the fact that he was taking away from something that he got pretty much universal kudos for just last week, which was figuring out a way as long with his vice president-elect, the sitting governor of indiana, mike pence, to save jobs that were already heading towards mexico. instead, what this union leader did on erin burnett is say okay that's really nice, but the fact is that a lot of the workers who
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thought they were going to have their jobs saved did not because it didn't -- what donald trump was saving didn't represent the scope of all the workers who were getting laid off. now we reported that pretty much real time. but it's one thing to report the number. it's another thing to be a union leader, as chuck jones is, and to have to deal with this reality with the people he knows very well. >> kevin, donald trump has proudly talked about saving 1100 jobs this the carrier deal. here is chuck jones, the president of the union 1999 speaking to erin burnett earlier. seeming this this is what sparked trump's twitter attack. watch. >> when carrier announced the close down of the whole facility in february they announced at that point in time research and development jobs, about 350 of them, were going to remain here in indianapolis. then when mr. trump got involved, what the actual number
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of jobs saves is, 730 bargain unit job, the workers of the union members, and another 70 office, supervisory, clerical workers from management. and what they are doing, they are counting in # 50-some-odd more that were never leaving this country at all. >> kevin madden, jones says more than 500 jobs are still being sent to mexico. your reaction to the president-elect's response to this? >> look, i think the political benefits, particularly in the short-term for donald trump on the carrier issue were pretty obvious. and i think undisputed. even his critics would say that the headlines he drove in the immediate aftermath of announcing the deal and the polling from the immediate aftermath all shows that a win for donald trump. i think what we are seeing is a window into how donald trump engages in political combat. the second he sees a critic,
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even somebody like chuck brooks, who is not well-known, he immediately confronts that critic. >> chuck jones. chuck jones. >> chuck jones. i'm sorry. in the past you would see a lot of transition staff say look, this is -- we don't want to engage in a day to day back and forth with any of your adversaries on this. let's take the political win. donald trump, not the case. >> trump fired back tweeting chuck jones, who is president of united steelworkers 1999 has done a terrible job representing workers. no wonder companies flee country. it's one thing to take on media. and he has taken on lots of us, and the media as a whole. it's another thing to take on boeing or united technology. what about taking on an american citizen like this who is fighting for workers? >> it's incredibly threaten skinned. and it leads to my mine not becoming to the office that president-elect trump is about
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to assume. if president-elect trump and vice president president-elect pence dispute the numbers chuck jones is giving to cnn or the washington post then of course it's well within their right to say no this is not our understanding of the deal points. these are not the numbers. we would like to discuss it, get on air and tell the our side of the story. but to attack him personally it's thin skinned and divisive. we started earlier talking about the time magazine cover and how he should be described as divisive. this is divisive. >> whether it's personal or not, why is he picking this fight? he is going to get much more criticism over the coming years. and will he have a problem with the pressure and the scrutiny that every president faces? >> well, you know, chuck jones and donald trump are guys that are going by numbers, right? so i was at that carrier event. they told us at the event, and carrier tweeted it, and they put it in a press release that it
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was a thousand jobs. so in trump's mind he is looking at this and yoens is disputing that trump is telling the truth. on one hand jones is a numbers guy, too. it's his job -- i've known these union guys all my life here in pittsburgh. their job is to save every single job they can get their hand on. trump looks at it like i was just there, they told me it was a thousand jobs, and you know, in his mind. >> i understand where you are going, but chuck jones didn't say donald trump is a terrible president-elect. he said -- he simply came on and gave numbers. the personal attack came from the president-elect. not from chuck jones. >> we are entering a completely different paradigm. i don't think this is going to be unusual of trump. i think this is going to be normal and we are not used to it but i think we are going to have to get used to it. >> okay. >> i don't necessarily say it's right or wrong. it's just the new way things are
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going to go on in this town. >> i don't think we will have to get used to it but i think it's going to go on. >> can i make a point. >> go ahead dana. >> about the politics of this. you know we can talk about whether or not it is appropriate for the leader of the free world to be -- to the pick on an individual the way he did. but the bottom line is it's not just that. he's -- when you talk about the raw politics of it he kind of biting the hand that feeds him. >> right. >> chuck jones, and union workers more broadly -- i mean, they were the old-time democrats who said that the democratic party was not speaking for them and voted for trump because he was. >> voted for trump. that was the point my question, why would he pick a fight with someone who is fighting for jobs -- yeah. >> exactly. you read one of his tweets. he also tweeted again. cnn was talking about it.
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there you see, right there. if united steelworkers 1999 was any good they would have kept those jobs in indiana. spend more working, less time talk, reduce dues. >> geez. >> so going after the union in general. again a lot of these people, i would bet a lot of money, voted for donald trump. >> that's a good point, dana. >> kevin, let me play that this because i think you can respond to this as well. after trump tweeted chuck jones called in to cnn and he responded. >> what we do as a labor union. we negotiate fairly living wages and benefits. so on the carrier situation in its entirety it was all about wages. we can't complete with $3 mexican workers. we have a skilled work force. the company is profitable but because of unfair trade they want to move these jobs out of the country. he wants to blame him.
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so be it. i look at hymn, how many bflds dollars he spent on his hotels and casinos trying to keep labor unions out. >> there you go, can evan. >> yeah, dana makes a good point about why would donald trump do this particularly if these are the union members that supported him. i think the thinking there that many of the union members aren't happy with union leadership. donald trump, the one thing he has tried to do is shake up the status quo, whether in washington or whether it's with union leadership around the country. the other thing that's interested in that second call by chuck jones, he was carrying a message that donald trump carried to those very voters in those states that resonated, which is questioning some of the big economic -- some of the big economic trends that are affecting the overall economy in the midwest. and in that sense, they actually have a very similar message. >> don, can i just say one more thing? >> yes. >> i agree with kevin on the
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politics. you would just add, though, if you look at the substance of the second tweet that you put up, trufr has changed the mess j. >> put that up. >> the message throughout the campaign was that it's the rigged system, it's the elites in washington that have nothing to look out for jobs. if you look at that tweet on it is face, it means that part of the blame goes to the union. that's a bait and switch. >> here's what robert reich said in response to trump's tweets tonight. >> let me just say, because donald trump is probably watching right now. let me just say, with all due respect, mr. trump, you are our president-elect of the united states. you are looking and acting as if you are mean and petty, thin skinned, and vindictive. stop this. this is not a fire cy chat. this is that not what fdr did. this isn't lifting people up. this is actually penalizing people for speaking their minds.
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>> david, does he have a point? >> yeah, i do think he has a point. secretary rice knows he was in the clinton administration, a cabinet secretary. and i do think this is divisive. look, i do think that the trump administration, president-elect trump should and will and do take credit for saving those 700 or 800 jobs as has now been reported by the post, by the indianapolis star. but i also think the union reps are right if they believe it's less than originally advertised. they are in their rights to stick up with their side of the deal. if we get started before inauguration day without -- -- >> speaking to that, it's trump's approach which is cutting individual deals with with companies in order to save jobs then firing at them via twitter, is that the right
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strategy? can that be replicated on a nationwide scale. >> do you mean firing like at boeing or firie ining back at c jones. >> both. i would say that firing at chuck jones which i think everybody on the panel has come to the consensus it was not a good thing for him to do. but for boeing, and carrier and on and on. >> i know a lot of the union guys. a lot of them get upset with their leadership and they look at their dues going for political things and they are not seeping their jobs. so some of this is probably not going after union workers, but going after union leadership and going after the status quo. so you know, i don't think that he's losing people on this. >> but that's kind of the danger of 140 characters. there is no nuance and it doesn't say the leadership. it just says union workers steelworkers 1999, which is
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everyone, it's not just the chuck joneses of the world. >> when i looked at it -- and i come from a union town. when i looked at it, to me, when i saw that tweet i was like oh, that's the leadership. because those are the ones that are responsible for keeping those jobs. those are the guys that negotiate. those are the guys that go to the ownership and say what can we do to keep these jobs? in my mind's eye that's how i saw it. >> to her point and kevin's point, they do historically endorse democrats. and republicans do try to split off the rank and file from the leadership. i do agree with this. >> stick around, everyone. when we come back, new announcements in the transition team as the president-elect reveals he has been consulting president barack obama on some of his cabinet picks. i take to . healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine.
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sty breaking news a federal judge has given michigan's board of elections the go ahead to the stop the electoral recount. mark gold smith issued the order tonight denying jill stein's efforts to keep the recount going. meanwhile on the day president-elect trump is named time magazine's person of the year new announcements from his transition team. back with me, dana barb, kevin madden, selena zito and david swirly. never a dull moment. dana, let's start with you this time. let's talk donald trump's transition. no word on his pick for secretary of state. but he is tapping another general to join his ranks.
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plus a rm former pro wrestling ceo. what do you know? >> how is that for a duo? we know that -- let's talk about the wwe, linda mcmahon. she is not somebody that was that thrilled with donald trump during the primary process, had said in an interview that she didn't think he was great for women. but when he became the nominee she gave money to his super pac. when donald trump announced she was his pick today he talked about the fact that she does get business. she grew her company in a very big way. and she is actually kind of ironically given, you know, where she comes from, wrestling, probably going to be one of the least controversial nominees given the fact that her opponent, because she is a two-time -- she ran twice and is a two heim time loser for the senate united states senate. the person who beat her the
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first time, kevin bloomenthal said today he is going to vote for her. >> as i said, never a dull moment. he is also selecting oklahoma's attorney general scoot prutd to head the environmental protection agency. hasn't pruett sued the e.p.a. before? >> yes, he has. as attorney general of the state of oklahoma, which of course is a state with a lot of energy resources and energy money. which if you look back at some "new york times" pieces that have been done over the years they have done some investigative work on this man in particular about the money that he got from donors and even some of the practices that he was part of. what they reported was that he took letters from energy lobbyists and just copy them and put them on his letterhead and sent them to the e.p.a. big picture what does this mean? it means that the meeting that donald trump had with al gore
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that gave people on capitol hill some hope that maybe his rhetoric about being a climate change denier and so forth during the campaign was just that, that hope is out the window bus there is a lot of anger at the fact that donald trump nominated pruett. however, again, we have said this many times. elections do have consequences. and this is a man who many conservatives are cheering about because they think the e.p.a. has totally overstepped their bounds and they want him to go in and shrink it from the inside. >> and they don't believe in climate change. they think it is a hoax. then what was that high i prophi meeting with al gore at trump tower? was that to show he was more moderate while apointing a conservative leader for the position. >> meeting with mitt romney and al gore. >> you would know, mr. romney
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whisperer. >> i believe it is an effort to gather as much insight as possible. look, trump is unique in the sense that he is the first president to ever be elected without prior government experience. and to get insight from someone like al gore who has lot of it -- he has even met with ram emmanuel another person who despite their maybe differences on politics and policy has an incredible amount of insight how congress works and how politics works. gathering that much insight in politics is something that the transition has shown -- it's been a pattern for this transition. i think that's a good thing, even for those who were critics of donald trump. >> mr. entered lick, let's talk about donald trump as time magazine's person of the year. he says it's an honor, but he is taking issue as he often does w the headline, calling it the president of the divided states of america. listen to this.
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>> i think putting "divided" is stocky. again, it's divided -- i'm not president yet. so i didn't do anything to divide. >> what do you make of trump saying he didn't do anything to divide the country? >> he did do something to divide the country. look, during the last 18 months, president-elect trump ran a divisive campaign. he made the comments about judge gone zolo cure yell. he mocked the khan family. he talked about carly fiorina's looks when he was running against her. i could list on and on the things that he did that were divisive. this doesn't mean he can't have a successful presidency, doesn't mean he can't come out and really give a meaningful address or a meaningful sit down with a journalist such as yourself that explains why he was misunderstood or why he did what he did. but he hasn't done that yet. i think the label divided at least for the moment sticks. device oif. >> selena, do you think he wants
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only to take credit for the good things. he says he didn't do anything to divide the country but you then points to the stock market bounce, what to you make of that. >> at heart he is a showman and a businessman. both are career paths where you want everything to look good and you want to look powerful and you want to look strong and you want to look confident. i think there is always going to be that part of him that wants to constantly portray that. but he has shown in several instances where he he has been contrite, he apologized for things that he said or mistakes. those have been few and far between. nonetheless, he has done them. but i think that trump relishes projecting competence and projecting positive things. and you will probably always see him doing that. the other thing he does really well, this is something that bill clinton used to do really well, is always show that's working. even when bill clinton was at
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his worst part, you know, he was out there with landi davis, and you know, had his sleeves rolled up, just doing the job for the americans. and trump has showed that since the day that he won that he was going to work on his transition, that he was going to be meeting with people. and that shows a lot of political savvy. >> dana, kevin, selena, david, thank you very much. up next, a legacy of president barack obama, what will he be most remembered for? the microsoft cloud offers infinite scalability. the microsoft cloud helps our customers get up and running, anywhere in the planet. wherever there's a phone, you've got a bank, and we could never do that before. the cloud gave us a single platform to reach across our entire organization. it helps us communicate better. we use the microsoft cloud's advanced analytics tools to track down cybercriminals. this cloud helps transform business. this is the microsoft cloud.
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in 44 days, president barack obama steps down after eight years in office. i want to talk now about that, his legacy, with cnn presidential his ftor presidential his ftoianshistori. good to have all of you on this evening. i'm looking forward to this conversation. douglas i want to start with you. aside from making history as the first african-american president what will president obama be
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most remembered for? >> getting america out of the great recession. we sometimes forget what it was like in october, 2008 when everything crashed. he had to come in in an emergency situation and started working ways to get the economy stimulated. i also think the killing of osama bin laden will be a major piece that's remembered. but in the end it will be the first line that he was america's first african-american president and was successful and had two terms. although he had a lot of headaches along the way. >> you know, he is leaving the president-elect with a solid economy. unemployment is at 4.6%. gdp in the last quarter, 3.2%, the highest rate in two years. will history record it that way, be kind to him? >> i say the day he leaves office that will be how he left the american economy. and you know, going from 7. -- something unemployment all the
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way down to 477 by the time he leaves, he is also going to have close to a 60% public approval rating. so he is a beloved figure. now the fact of the matter is america has been a little bit center, center right, so it's been hard for president obama to develop the legs lative record he wants. we are going to have to see what happens to the obama care act. but he is leaving with a squeaky clean ethical record and parents all across america can say i want my kid to he dro up to be like barack obama. >> much what have looked like president obama's legacy a couple of months ago is now in jeopardy. obama care, green fuel, climate change initiatives. will any of it survive, do you think? >> a couple of things, first of all, it takes to know what a president's legacy is. >> you can't believe we are talking about it this early? >> no, i can't believe it. but it's okay.
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it is an ongoing conversation, but if we were having the conversation in 1988 about ron reagan. there were people criticizing him in 1988 for being too soft in gore about chov. there are going to be a lot of things that play out that will shape president obama's legacy. what happens in me zulle. the isis, isil problem. it look like president-elect donald trump doesn't agree with the congressional leadership about what americans deserve to have. he is talking about people with preexisting conditions still being able to be insured.
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dependents 26 years of age and under still being able to be insured under their parents. that's part of president obama's safety net. the issue of climate change. absolutely president-elect trump has said he will pull out of the paris agreement. well, let's just see what happens. let's see how much of this he really can undo. so part of the legacy issue will depend on president-elect trump's relationship with congress and how much he achieves. and part of it will relate to how president barack obama haas former president talks about the values that he espoused. >> what he does next, post president. >> what he does next. jimmy carter -- as doug knows very well, jimmy carter's legacy as a president was very low. but jimmy carter as a person gained a great personal legacy because of what he did after he
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left office. >> as i mentioned to douglas, michael, part of his legacy without saying is that he is the first american president of the united states. and so african-americans in general feel a particular way, certain kind of way, as we say b the president. how do african-americans specifically view his presidency? >> well, i think as you mentioned he is the first affect president. but there is no question that most blacks view president obama very, very positively. this is somebody who is not only saved the economy and done a lot in terms of rights in terms of gender and gay rights during his presidency. he stood strong. but he is also doing a lot in terms of race. justice department, eric holder, strong in terms of evaluating police departments who violated civil rates and in terms of
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suggesting changes that they could make. i think a lot of african-americans look at that very positively. and finally i think and most importantly, he has been somebody who has been so professional in the job. he has been so measured. so objective. and look, as a professor, you know, i'm supposed to evaluate and grade. i mean, president obama deserves an a plus for anger management. there has been so many -- so many opportunities for him to be angry, right. >> fun they you should say that, as we were watching this documentary with fareed zakaria before the show there were a few of us in the office saying it is quite remarkable he is not angry considering when he got into office republicans said we are going to make you a one-term president you are not going to get anything passed and then considering what the president-elect said about him, delegitimatizing his presidency, making him present his birth certificate. it's amazing he is not angry.
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and most people would be really ticked off about it. and would not have been classy about it. >> he is a classy person. he is somebody with strength, courage, dig nichlt that's what he brought to the office. i think african-americans are so proud of him for doing that. it's incredible. he deserve as great deal of credit for that. >> douglas, president obama does to the have the same background that most american black folks do. a white mother. a father from kenya. how did that influence how he dealt with race as a president? >> i think he operated on two tiers. one he was a leader for african-americans and recognized the symbolism of it all, that he was following in the footsteps of martin luther king jr. and the bridge at selma of john lewis. and he knew he had to make sure that he honored that. and you saw it in the charleston shooting which was in the documentary, played up. what a brilliant moment where he
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is, barack obama talking to the ama church after the slayings, he is singing "amazing grace" and has the pulpit. the church was the church of harriet tubman and rosa parks. yet he is aware of the concerns of white america and having a family. 's mixed race multiple cultural person. i find that's only going to grow in stature. he is probably going to get 15 or $20 million for his memoir. he is a great writer. he is going to write it. he is going too much a library in chicago. i don't think he is going to be like judgmenty carter as being that activist. he doesn't really like politics. but he is a constitutional medical, might one day see him on a superior court. let's not forget, barack obama
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got two women onto the u.s. supreme court. this is a legacy inherent with that. >> you would think that someone born in the 1960s with a white mother and a black father, we're seeing more of that right now in this country. that may be his legacy. it seemed like barack obama would change everything, but after eight years in office what is the president's legacy on race in america? geico has a long history of great savings and great service. over seventy-five years. wait. seventy-five years? that is great. speaking of great, check out these hot riffs. you like smash mouth? uh, yeah i have an early day tomorrow so... wait. almost there. goodnight, bruce. gotta tune the "a." (humming) take a closer look at geico. great savings. and a whole lot more.
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house. for many it seemed the election of barack obama would change everything. now eight years later who is president obama's legacy on race. here to discuss, michael nutter and calvin tucker, and bakari sellers. good evening, gentlemen. mayor, you are first. i want you to listen again to what president obama told fareed zakaria about race. here it is. >> if first line of your biography will almost certainly not be something you did but who you are. >> right. >> the first african-american president.
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and yet you are half white. >> right. >> you were raised by three white people, your mother and your two grandparents. >> and an indonesian. >> and an indonesian. are you comfortable with this characterization of you? >> i am, actually. and the concept of race in america is not just genetic. otherwise the one drop rule wouldn't have made sense. it's cultural. it's this notion of a people who look different than the mainstream suffering terrible oppression but somehow being able to make out of that a music and a language and a faith, a patriotism. >> nutter, what did you hope race relations would look like after eight years of a president obama? and what do you think the reality is? >> first, don, i'm still not sure that more than a few years
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ago i ever thought in my lifetime that an african-american would be elected president of the united states of america. always a hope. wasn't sure it was actually going to happen. and i know from many older folks they never thought this would happen. that's one. two, what we've seen is a very proud, secure black man take care of america. >> classy. >> classy. dignity. grace, under fire. be a great husband, father, consoler in chief, understand people because of what -- that clip we just heard from the president. his multicultural history and background has clearly helped to shape him but more importantly helped him to better understand a whole lot of other folk than possibly we have ever seen in a president of the united states. >> calvin, do you agree? >> oh, absolutely i agree. >> he had to -- >> although -- i'm sorry. >> he had to walk a tightrope when it came to the issues other
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presidents didn't have to in a way other presidents before him didn't have to. go g continue your thought. >> i would just like to add to all of those great attributes that the mayor talked about with the president, i certainly agree with those. i certainly would have liked to have seen him do more things in the unserved community to help eradicate some of the issues in that community. >> abobakari? >> i think we can look at the numbers of president barack obama, whether or not you have the violent crime rate which has been trending down. the unemployment rate in the african-american communities, the dropout rate. you can look at all those numbers. but i think for he moo it's three images forever lasting in my heart and my mind when i think of barack obama. the first is when a little boy entered the white house he was
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dressed and he asked the president was his hair like his and he ben over and the boy touch theed his head. another is a 3-year-old at the black history museum. and you can see him gagz up as the president gently touches his cheek. and number three was a image that we have all talked about. when the president sung amazing grace at that funeral. >> let's listen to that. we were both there covering that. let me give this caveat because the dial of don roof is underway right now in charleston. he is accused of killing nine people in a bible study at the ame church there in charleston. let's listen to the funeral of the nine victims. >> god works in mysterious ways. god has different ideas. amazing grace ♪
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how sweet the sound ♪ that save d a wretch like me ♪ >> and bakari, sadly, that is how you and i met. that was june of 2015. only a year and a half, you know, left in his presidency. do you think this was a turning point for him on the way he handled race? >> well i think it was an exceptional moment. i think that people forget sometimes that we are just 48 years away from the assassination of martin luther king jr., 48 years away from the assassination of robert f. kennedy. and you have things like this that happen. and the president was --
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>> why is this affecting you so much, bakari? are you all right? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> that was a tough day for us all. >> yeah. yeah. >> the president has seen a lot of tragedy. >> yeah. >> and had to deal with of course the economic recession. you know, those of us who have been in elected office during our time and after our time, there will always be those who say i wish you had done this, done that, the other thing. frankly, i wish congress had supported the american jobs act. i wish congress would stop trying to repeal the affordable care act, the one that brought 7 million african-americans health care who did not have it before, rising incomes for african-americans. and that list can go on. you know, i think until you have been in that kind of situation, it is really hard to judge. but you do the best you can with
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what you have. president barack obama will be seen as one of the best presidents in the history of the united states of america. >> yeah, history will be kind to him and listen, that was a tough time for all americans. and particularly you the for my brother bakari sellers there being right in the center of where it all happened. bakari, we feel four. we will take a break. we'll regroup and be back on the other side. the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.
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back with me now calvin tucker, michael nutter and bakari sellers. bakari, thank you for sharing that moment with us. it was special and we know it's tough because the trial is going on and there's a lot happening in charleston right now. and in the country. let's talk about this, though. time magazine named the president-elect the person of the year but also called him the president of the divided state of america. what do you think? >> well, i think we do have a divided state, and a dwivided country. my hope and wish is that donald trump actually puts some of his pettiness aside and works on unifying the company. i hope and believe he's capable. there are a lot of people in this country hurting and there are a lot of people in this
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country who feel like their voices don't matter. there's a lot of people in this country who feel like they don't get the benefit of our humanity. i don't think donald trump sees or sees that and donald trump didn't win this race by bringing people together. he won it by dividing. i don't know why we would expect him to do something difference. >> here's his response this morning on the today show. >> i didn't divide them. they're divided now. there's a lot of division. we're going to put it back together and have a country that's well-healed. >> mayor? >> you know, first if he would stop tweeting and start speaking, and really talking to america, using the pulpit that he has as president-elect, stop denying what you did, own up to it, acknowledge it, you won. now, try to bring people together and either debungt the stuff you stuff that was campaign rhetoric and now say
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what you mean as president-elect. you'll get sworn in on january 20th. >> he should take it across america regardless of whether it's a red or blew staue state. he has to represent all americans, red or blue. >> calvin on 60 minutes, he was asked about acts and violence and use of racial similars against minorities againy by so supporters. >> i hate to hear that. i hate to hear that. >> but you do hear it. >> i don't hear it. i saw one or two instances. >> he doesn't hear it? >> i didn't hear the context for that statement. >> yeah. >> he doesn't hear racial slurs? >> he did he didn't hear about the divide or the attacks on some people of color. he said he was sorry to hear
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about that. let me give you a little bit more context. in the ten days after the election they counted 867 i incidents of hate incidents. that has president-elect become more aware since that? >> i think he's aware of what the state of the nation and when he becomes president on january 20th th, you're going to see a man who is fully engaged in all of our society, and african americans and others. so a lot of where he was is as the mayor said, is rhetoric, and theater. >> okay, mayor. go ahead, pastor. >> okay. >> well, pastor, this is the
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problem. we don't know that it's rhetoric. everyone who speaks on behalf of mr. trump says it's rhetoric or says he was just saying that or he doesn't mean that. he spoke it out of his mouth, and until he puts something else in his mouth that we could hopefully trust and believe, that's what we're left with. one of the frustrations is that folks who speak on behalf of mr. trump are always intermentipret and reinterpreting what comes out of his mouth. >> thank you. that's it for us tonight. i'll see you back here tomorrow night. good night. no extra monthly fees. why are you checking your credit score? you don't want to drive old blue forever, do you? [brakes squeak] credit karma, huh? yep, it's free. credit karma. give yourself some credit.
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good evening. thank you for joining us. we begin with the president-elect donald trump tweeting just moments ago about a story that aired just moments ago on cnn. namely erin burn et's interview. here's the tweet chuck jones has done a terrible job representing workers. no wonder companies flee country. just explain what was going on here. this man was on erin burnett shoes ee, and a short time after donald trump is tweeting about him. >> right. donald trump is one who obviously wants -- watches the media

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