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against the epa. the very agency that he has nominated to head. >> -- has great qualifications. >> donald trump adding another general to his cabinet. >> saying, well, this person isn't qualified. >> we're saving the jobs at the carrier plant. >> he misled the people on the actual numbers of jobs he claimed was saved. >> there's no heramerit and valo attack a union leader for disagreeing. >> mr. trump you are looking and acting as if you are mean, and vindictive. stop this. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." up first, president-elect donald trump announcing a series of new appointments to his cabinet 30 days after claiming victory mr. trump picking a skemtic of climate change to head the epa and another military general to lead homeland security. >> trump making the latest
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appointments as he launches an attack on a un yen leader on twitter. the twitter the basis of it was that the union leader called trump a liar about the carrier deal. now he says the president, also over reacted to what he said. we're just 43 days away from trump's inauguration. we've got it all covered for you. let's begin with cnn national correspondent sunlen serfaty live in washington. the president is still the president-elect but he's already seeming to do the job isn't he? >> that's right, chris. he has been lining up a flurry of announcements last 24 hours. making some big picks here for key roles in his administration. but trump is also taking his time, taking to twitter getting into a war of words with a local union leader critical of trump's claims over jobs he actually saved at carrier. president-elect donald trump naming two more hard-liners to his cabinet. elevating climate change denier, and fierce epa critic, oklahoma attorney general scott pruitt, to run the agency.
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>> there were a number of qualified candidates for that position that the president-elect interviewed and. >> reporter: a signal the trump administration is intent on reversing president obama's move to curb climate change. trump also tapping another general to his cabinet. retired general john kelly to head the department of homeland security. raising questions about the militarization of his administration. kelly a decorated four-star marine general retired earlier this year as commander of the u.s. southern command. he is also a gold star father whose son was killed in afghanistan in 2010. tonight, trump will introduce iowa governor terry branstad at ambassador to china at his third stop on his thank you tour in des moines. branstad's longtime friendship with the chinese president could help reassure the country that the president-elect is interested in maintaining its relationship with beijing. trump also mixing business and entertainment. nominating former wrestling
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executive linda mcmahon to head the small business administration. all this as trump is readying to announce his choice for secretary of state, which could come next week. trump insisting former adversary mitt romney still has a chance at the post. >> it's not about revenge, it's about what's good for the country. >> reporter: trump's administration moves are being overshadowed by another feud. the president-elect lashing out again on twitter against the carrier union leader chuck jones after he called into question trump's math over how many jobs the deal he brokered with carrier actually saved. jones appearing on cnn last night. >> 550 are still going to lose their jobs. >> reporter: trump tweeting meant later that jones had done a terrible job and blaming job losses on jones. quote, if united steelworkers 1999 was any good they would have kept those jobs in indiana. jones then calling into "anderson cooper 360" to respond directly to trump's attack. >> because of corporate greed
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and unfair trade they want to move these jobs out of the country. if he wants to blame me, so be it. i look at him how many billions of dollars he spent on his hotels and casinos trying to keep labor unions out. >> today at trump tower the president-elect will be meeting with one potential secretary of state contender, former nato commander and then he'll be off to columbus, ohio, to meet with the victim and the first responders when the ohio state attack happened last week then on to des moines, iowa, for the next stop on his victory tour. having another one of these campaign-style rallies. >> sunlen the ohio state stop will be something to watch to see what message the president-elect conveys. so democrats and environmentalists are already promising to fight president-elect trump's choice to run the epa. that's oklahoma attorney general scott pruitt. why? well for that part of the story let's get to cnn's washington correspondent joe johns. what do we know, joe?
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>> scott pruitt calls himself a leading advocate against what he says is the epa's activist agenda. and now donald trump wants to put him in control of the agency. the selection quickly created a storm of outrage on the left. one top former aid to the administration calling pruitt, quote, an existential threat to the planet. >> reporter: scott pruitt, donald trump's pick for environmental protection agency administrator is a staunch climate change denier. giving democrats an environmental groups whip lash. after trump's highly publicized meetings with prominent climate change activists. >> attorney general pruitt has a strong conservative record as a state prosecutor and has demonstrated a familiarity with laws and regulations impacting a large energy resource state. >> reporter: an ally of the fossil fuel industry, the oklahoma attorney general is a fierce critic of the agency he
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may soon lead. filing lawsuits against the epa over its regulations of power plants, including obama's effort to significantly reduce their emissions. >> when you look at the epa and the role that it's played over the last several years, there's going to be substantial change in that agency. there's going to be a regulatory roll back. >> reporter: critics blasting trump's nominee the league of conservation voters scott pruitt is like the fox guarding the hen house. he has fought to pad the profits of big polluters at the expense of public health. as for climate change, pruitt wrote in the national review just a few months ago that the link between global warming and human activity is far from settled. incoming senate minority leader chuck schumer saying pruitt's reluctance to accept the facts or science on climate change couldn't make him any more out of touch with the american people and with reality. the decision to name scott pruitt came just a short time after the president-elect gave
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environmentalists a glimmer of hope for middle ground by meeting with al gore who has been a leading voice on the issue of climate change. alisyn. >> joe, thanks so much. joining us now is iowa republican representative steve king. good morning, congressman. >> good morning, alisyn. >> so, let's talk about some of these new cabinet picks. we'll get to scott pruitt but let's start with general john kelly. he's been tapped for did was. how do you think general kelly will change the department of homeland security? >> well, we know about general john kelly's military experience and his record there. and being a decorated veteran of combat over in iraq in particular. in fact, that's where i first met him was when ramadi was shot to shambles during the surge year. we took a ride around there, even a minaret was shot in half and he said we were taking fire from that minaret. my son took that down with a 20 mil meter cannon. that's my first impression of john kelly. >> wow. >> and several times since then
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i know that he will take command of dhs, and in the department of homeland security and each agency that's there there's a morale problem. it's a different morale problem in each one. i think if you serve under john kelly your morale is going to be good. probably be a direct order, shape up your morale, and so he understands command. he understands how to delegate. and i think that he will bring law and cord. and what i'm hoping for with this -- >> yeah. >> is that the restoration of the rule of law, especially with regard to immigration. that is the main principle that needs to be driven by the secretary of homeland security -- >> okay. let's talk about that. will he build a wall? >> if his order from the president is to build a wall, john kelly will build a wall. and i've got a design out there and i hope it's considered. there are other good designs out there. he will get it done. he's a doer. i don't have any doubt about that. the president-elect trump has said thousands of times, i will build a wall.
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he didn't just say he'll build a wall. i'll build a great wall and it will be a beautiful wall and i'll make the mexicans pay for it. i don't know if he'll figure out how to get the next cans pay for it. >> because donald trump said it so many times it was confusing yesterday when congressman dennis ross republican one of your come eagles said this is bloomberg, let me read it for you. the wall is a term to help understand it to describe it, it could be a fence, it could be an open surveillance, to prevent people from crossing. it does not mean an actual wall. congressman, is the wall an actual wall? >> i would say to my friend dennis, that's, you know, that's news speak. when you say a wall's not a wall, then what is anything anything? >> i don't know. >> when you say a wall, you mean a wall. you want to build a fence. you say fence. you don't use it as a euphemism for a virtual, say surveillance from hot air balloons that are floating over the border which some people have advocated.
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and i'll say this, the cheapest and most effective thing we can do is build a concrete wall, a structural concrete wall, i know that there's -- there's equipment out there that could -- could -- could form and place a trench, a foundation for a wall. >> yeah. >> you could stop the slats. >> sure. >> our own company could build a mile a day of that. >> sure. you're saying your belief today as you stand here is that there will be an actual, literal wall, built along our southern border? >> made out of concrete. and, i'm calling upon president-elect trump to not just settle for a wall, let's build a fence, then a wall, then a fence, so we create two no man's lands, one on either side of the wall. when we pick people up there they don't really have an excuse. they weren't out there picking mushrooms. it will simplify the akudation and expedite the voluntary return and will allow our worlder patrol officers to patrol both sides of that wall. and we can put surveillance
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devices on top of the wall. vibration detectors and other devices. >> okay. that's a super-duper wall. that's a -- that's a fence wall fence you're talking about. so let me get your clarification on something else. about immigration. as you know, mr. trump during the campaign said a couple of different things about the levels of deportation, who would be deported. as you understand it today, congressman, will the so-called dreamers, the people who were brought here as minors, will they'll be deported, or will he find a way to allow them to become citizens and stay in the u.s.? >> hmm. maybe there's a place in between on that, too. but i'll try to hit each spot. first if i listen to a campaign promises, i would expect that on the first day he would cancel all of the daca documents out there that president obama unconstitutionally issued. >> mm-hmm. >> and that would end it for them. and then as they're encountered by law enforcement.
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local law enforcement often. >> yep. >> then they would be put through the process. >> okay, let me stoop you right there because i want to read to you what president-elect donald trump said in an interview to "time" magazine yesterday because it's different than what you're describing. he said we're going to work something out that's going to make people happy and proud. they were brought here at a very young age, they've worked here, they've gone to school here. some were good students. some have wonderful jobs, and they're in never-never land because they don't know what's going to happen. that sounds like he is not going to cancel daca the executive order of president obama. that sounds like he is sympathetic to their cause. >> i was hoping he was going to say we're going to do something that makes -- >> strangely. >> so when you look at this i think that there's been such a hard push on this. the reason they're called dreamers because that's the most sympathetic term that could be applied to -- >> and it's something that mr. trump agrees with that i mean he's talking about the merits of keeping them here. >> well, in -- among all of
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these dreamers, there are some awfully bad people. sand these dreamers go on to the age of 37 or 38 or maybe older. >> yeah. >> and that's if they tell the truth. >> but what's your example that there's awfully bad dreamers here. >> i'm sorry? >> give me an example of there being terrible dreamers. >> i'll just say this that i've spent a fair amount of time down at the worlder. i've been down there and helped arrest people that are smuggling drugs in. >> mm-hmm. >> i have watched as these packs of marijuana are are on the backs of young men that are walking across the border. they're hauling an average of about 65 pounds some of them every day they take another load. >> okay so you think that those -- you think those drug traffickers are what are referred to as the dreamers who were brought here against their will as minors, and now go to school here and have jobs? >> wait, wait, wait. this is an issue about against their will. that's a made up term. did any of those little kids say i didn't want to come here? or did any of them came in the
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day before they turned 18 they qualified, too -- >> but -- >> did they say i was brought here against my will? some of them were walking across the border on their own, lots of them and we see them coming across every day at mccallum, texas. they're still pouring across the border. they know what they're doing. it's not against their will. >> yeah. >> and they came here to live in the shadows. if we enforce the law and they live in the shadows that's what they came here to do. >> what about those that are under, let's pick an arbitrary number under 10 years old. did they come of their own free will? >> let's ask their parents. will those children point to their parents and tell us you really need to enforce the law against my parents? because they know what they were doing when they caused me to break the law. i don't think we've thought through this very well. there's a reason why in the president ae's daca programs he didn't grant unconstitutional amnesty to the parents of dreamers. he would like to. they're unspoken to out there. they're the facilitators. if the kids are innocent. >> yeah. >> the parents are guilty. >> okay. >> we have to look at the
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parents. >> okay. just so i understand your position on this, even if it differs from president-elect trump, you're saying that if a child was brought here as an infant, a 2-year-old, a 7-year-old, a 10-year-old, regardless of if they're in college, regardless of if they have made something good with their life and if they're working here, they have to go. >> that is the law. and if he's going to change that he needs to come to congress and ask us to change the law. but i don't think you get that ask unless you first enforce the law, and demonstrate you secured the border, and still whatever this does to our hearts, and it tugs on mine, too, but the most important thing is to restore the respect for the rule of law. >> yep. >> and we failed to do that if we reward people for breaking it. and so in the end what was all this about? i workd 30 years to try to restore respect for the rule of law because of ronald reagan's amnesty in 1986. and i don't want to let this go because somebody's heart got a little softer than it was before the election. >> okay. congressman steve king we appreciate your candor and we will see how this all plays out
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role not only in the elections but throughout the world. we're going to look deeply into what russia may have done regarding our election. >> manu raju of cnn on the right, republican senator lindsey graham there talking to him. vowing to investigate russian interference in the 2016 election. in fact we said more than that. the senator said that he had real concern that he was upset with russia and their role in the election. now this is something the democrats have been calling for for a long time. including our next guest. joining us now, democratic congressman adam schiff. congressman, so, this is an interesting turn-about in play. the political right had been tamping down, at best, and completely dismissing in the main the idea that russia was messing with the u.s. elections. what do you believe right now, and what are you trying to do? >> this is very astounding. because, on the intelligence committees where we've been briefed on this, there's really no disagreement between democrats and republicans that the russians were hacking our
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institutions, and dumping information. indeed, that's the broad consensus of the intelligence community, you don't get a statement like we had weeks ago from the director of national intelligence expressing not only the russians were hacking but it could not except come from the highest levels of the kremlin unless they have a lot of confidence in that assessment. so i'm glad to see lindsey graham step forward and call for an investigation of this. this is something i think the country needs to know about more. i'm urging that the entire congress be briefed not just the members of the intelligence committees, so that all members can share the understanding that we have. >> and, i have reporting, as well, that backs up the assertion that the russians had a hand in the hacks, and what we saw with vikz. the president-elect of the united states does not believe it. he this you're playing politics, donald trump has said as much, and he doesn't want to hear it from you, even now. we have been reading. can you confirm that that the
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president-elect doesn't want any briefings from the house intelligence committee about what they believe about russian intervention? >> well, i can certainly tell you that the president-elect has been briefed so it's very disturbing to me that even hearing from our intelligence officials about their confidence in the assessment, of russia hacking our institutions, the president-elect is still willing to go before the public and say he doesn't think this really happened. to me, chris, it's very much like the tweet he sent out saying that millions of illegal immigrants voted. this is someone who just cannot accept the fact that he may have benefited from russian intervention. look he won the election, we're not disputing that he won the electoral college. but to not acknowledge russian interference in our country because it may have benefited him this time and if he crosses russia and ultimately he'll have to because the russians are not our friends, then he may be the subject of similar hacks and i would hate to wait for that point to try to establish some kind of a deterrent. >> take me one more step down the road of playing politics.
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so you're going to investigate. what do you think you could really find? and what could you do about it anyway? >> well i think we can both prepare ourselves to resist russian interference in the future by informing the public. part of the issue, i think, here during the presidential campaign is that we need to get better information out to the country to know that there was an attempt by the russians to manipulate our political processes. that's part of inokay rating ourselves against russian interference. more than that calling them out, exposing their malevolence helps to deter the russians. it's not enough and i also think we ought to be sanctioning russia for their interference in our political affairs and that of our european allies but these are all very important steps to take going forward. >> what are you hearing from your brothers and sisters on the democratic side about the military choices to donald trump's cabinet? >> well, i think most of us like general kelly. he has a very good reputation. we want to know more about his views on immigration and some of
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the issues he hasn't directly confronted or at least not to the degree he will at the department of homeland security. i like general mattis very much. i like how he's pushed back on the torture issue. how he's tough on russia and i hope will talk some sense into the president-elect. and very strongly supportive of nato. we are concerned, though, with appointing so many generals, and this i think is directly implicated in that statutory prohibition on filling the slot at secretary of defense with a recent retired military officer. >> but that was 1946 when that was passed, right? it was a very different time in our history. well it certainly was passed a long time ago, but it stood the test of time. the principle of civilian leadership of the military, it was important then. it's important now, and chris given the open-ended authorization to use military force that unfortunately still remains in effect notwithstanding mine and other efforts to repeal that and replace it with something that
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is an open door to the next president and secretary of defense to broaden an engage military forces and i think heightens the need to have some commitment to civilian control of that institution even greater in the face of that wide open aomf. >> is there any real chance that the law is not waived, the law that restricts military membership in the cabinet to somebody who's been retired for seven years? >> i think the republicans are all going to support a waiver. and even among democrats a lot of us have such great admiration for general mattis we're going to be inclined to support a waiver. but the more the president-elect fills his cabinet with other generals, the graver the concerns that we have, and that, frankly, has given me a lot of heartburn about a waiver that initially i've been very inclined to want to support. he's considering other generals for key positions like secretary of state, like the director of national intelligence, and should he populate his entire cabinet this way, that i think
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will put more question in question on democrats on request to support the waiver. >> congressman thank you. >> president-elect donald trump fact checked by a union pose resulting in mr. trump attacking him on twitter. so, what does this mean? for what will happen once mr. trump is in office? we get the bottom line on this, and others. next. eraflu expressmax, now in new caplets. it's the only cold & flu caplet that has a maximum strength formula with a unique warming sensation you instantly feel. theraflu. for a powerful comeback. new expressmax caplets.
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earlier on the show, chris spoke with the union boss who donald trump tweeted about last night, his name is chuck jones and he was not backing down. after questioning the president-elect numbers in that carrier deal. listen to this. >> he overreacted, president-elect trump did, and i would expect if he's going to tweet something he should have come out, and try to justify his numbers. and try to justify when i called him out. >> all right. here is your bottom line on this and so much more. cnn's political analyst david gregory. hi, david. >> good morning. >> so, if the numbers of saved
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jobs were 800, instead of 1100, does that mean that it was any sort of less note worthy what president-elect trump did in saving some jobs from going to mexico? >> no. i don't think it is. and i think there's a larger issue at work here. it's that here is another example of a incoming president who's much more of a counterpuncher, much more of a street brawler in the wheeling and the dealing. and the way he's going to deal with companies, the way he's going to try to save jobs, the way he's going to deal with company decisions, trade decisions, we're getting a window into how i think he's going to operate. that may produce some gains, it may produce losses. but it seems like it's going to be a lot of interference. and it's going to be on a hair trigger and i think that kind of unpredictability is going to have to get a lot of people very worried to say nothing of the idea of the kind of principle of the president of the united states getting involved in
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company decisions about where they go, how they create jobs, how they do their business and reaching down into another level in taking on union bosses. >> and there's another level of this example, carrier, that deserves attention. one is the winners and losers, but also how you pick them. he paid this company to save a fraction of the jobs that it could have saved. and by inflating the number, what jones the union rep was upset about was that there were people in that audience who thought their jobs were going to be saved because of that 1100 number and they wound up losing their job and it added to their heartbreak. so there's a question about political deception and a practicality of bribing a company to stay. >> and the politician of the unions, as well, which is they're trying to protect jobs, protect their workers. they're going to be at odds with company decisions about how the company ultimately gross and protects jobs over time. this is the rub and this is the tension. now the other party in all of this is the incoming president
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of the united states, who does not know the ins and outs of carrier or the parent company but uses that government lunch against them when is he getting short-term political gain, or long-term ruling you know of a company, or of a industry. i think we're going to see this play out more than just in this instance. >> let's talk about his pick for the epa. scott pruitt is a force critic of the epa and he will be heading the epa. i guess that meeting with al gore wore off? >> well, i think this is part of the, again, the unpredictability of the president-elect. we don't know exactly where he's going to come down. he is, i think he's on kind of a continuum here about climate change, for example. he may meet with al gore, ivanka trump may meet with him, he may have an open mind as he told "the new york times" but this is what becomes important. who do you put in there? what are your selections for your cabinet to actually affect
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policy and we're going to have to wait and see. and there will be a real concern about that i think among democrats who don't want to start from zero on climate change. as to whether this is still in dispute. they want policies that will back them up. as tom friedman pointed out in "the new york times," even president bush had folks within the administration who were really open-minded about climb the change and actually did work toward some positive policy for those who want to combat climate change. >> plenty of gop congress members believe in the science -- >> yes. >> of human impact on global warming. so that will be controversial. and yet the bottom line, david gregory, can anybody not get pushed through by the gop whether it's pruitt, or even if it were a petraeus do you think that there's anybody that trump is considering putting up that could turn gop senators and not give a majority? >> i think it's hard to see that at this point. i think the president is going to get his due. he's going to get his team unless there's something that, you know, you can't get past. i mean obviously petraeus,
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classified information, handling of that, the -- his personal affair, circumstances of why he had to leave the cia, yeah, that's going to be an issue, but to your point i don't see republicans in sufficient numbers turning. >> david gregory. thank you. >> all right. the bottom line. >> with david gregory. >> president-elect donald trump threatening huge tariffs on u.s. companies that move jobs to other countries. okay. this deserves examination. people keep throwing it around, and a lot of us don't understand it. but you will. next. when it comes to healthcare, seconds can mean the difference between life and death. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and work together in real time to help those that need it. the ability to collaborate changes how we work. what we do together changes how we live.
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all right it's time to make better sense of what we are being told. president-elect donald trump renewing his threat to impose a 35% tariff on american companies that move jobs overseas. what are the pros and cons of such a proposal? joining us is executive editor of bloomberg view and author of trump nation the art of being the donald timothy o'brien. now there are legal obstacles. we're not here to discuss those today. but if you don't have a general tariff the president probably has an authority to do a targeted tariff like this congress has never passed something like this. specifically. so thaegt the legal side. let's just talk business. here's his tweet setting the table. the president-elect in flagrant disregard of 140 characters on this issue. there's a whole string of tweets. what they say in general is if you think you're going to leave and make your products, cars, ac
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units, et cetera and sell them across the border, not going to happen. this tax will make leaving financially difficult but these companies are able to move between all 50 states with no stacks or tariff being charged please be forewarned prior to making a very expensive mistake the united states is open for business. let's talk about the tariff. on a business side. >> right. >> as an intent to keep companies stateside these would be the potential pros. make you think twice, encourage you going to another state instead of another country. and using this as a negotiating tool. this is where it ends supporters and surrogates lean heavily. how do you see the pros? >> the problem of all of this is it's a series of one-off and doesn't encourage long-term job growth or economic growth. it's essentially policy through penalty. and if you look -- >> why is that wrong? if i'm carrier, i don't want to pay 35%. assuming it's legal and it can happen. you know, because that changes my margin, maybe i'm better off
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staying. >> the problem is industrial companies now are in an era now where they've shredded 4.5 million manufacturing jobs over the last 20 years. it's unlikely those jobs are going to come back and most of them were lost because of technological innovation. they weren't lost due to global trade. so what's essentially being done here. >> let's look at the cons. something tim just said is what you're thinking about in researching yourself. the carrier deal the company just pledged to put $12 million into its own company now that sounds good except they're doing it to automate the manufacturing process which will shed jobs. >> correct. >> and the idea that the reason we lose jobs is because everybody's running to cheap labor isn't exactly true. it's not even really 50% true. automation has done more. that's why people talk about retraining. here are the cons. you tax the company, they pass it on in the price. there's no guarantee that jobs already lost will come back. u.s. companies could elect to move offshore to avoid the
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tariffs. meaning they take all their business abroad. affected countries retaliate with more tariffs creating a trade war. let's leave this one aside. discuss these first. >> well you know the easiest case study here is china. the ideas that we're going to tariff china out of business, or make china noncompetitive by imposing drastic tariffs on what they sell to the united states is very backwards thinking. china really isn't a nation of assemblyline workers only producing cheap clothing to the united states now. they want to be world leaders themselves. they're trying to back technologically progressive, competitive companies. and they'll sell to the rest of asia if the united states isn't there. we kill trade agreements which it looks like we're going to, the tpp, and impose a very drastic tariff regime it's going to be anti-competitive to the united states ultimately. >> now the president-elect has suggested that china taxes our stuff but we don't tax any of thirst. now is that true? or are there layers of tariff --
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>> china does a lot of anti-competitive stuff itself but trump is not off base in saying that china self-deploys some of these same tools. but it hasn't risen to the kind of full-scale nuclear trade war that is 35%, 45% tariffs would entail. >> why? because here it is. would this kind of policy create trade problems, to use war is a little dramatic, but companies impose trade barriers, it could raise the cost on american manufacturers abroad worse than the great depression how would him putting a tariff on american companies that go abroad who want to sell products -- >> or vice versa. >> create any of this? >> because i think we know historically that free trade does promote growth. there's just empirical proof of it. but along the way, it also shreds jobs. a lot of pain involved in that. as a real thing that i think people need to do is focused on the pluses, and -- >> that's why part of my edge sags on this issue is reading
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tim's pieces on bloomberg and elsewhere why retraining and investing in that and investing in those types of markets that create labor demand is the better move. but it's more expensive -- >> and tricky. >> tim o'brien, thanks very much. as always. alisyn? >> okay, chris. the conspiracy theory, known as pizzagate resulted in a north carolina man firing a gun inside a d.c. pizzeria. four other businesses in the area say they have been targeted, too. including a famous bookstore. so we will speak with its owners about what's going on there, next. but first, did you know the fresh fruit has a so-called dirty dozen? nutritionist lisa dreaer shows us which organic produce might not be completely pesticide free in today's food as fuel. >> different kinds of fruit contain different amounts of pesticide residue. even after being washed. the environmental working group put out its dirty dozen list of the most contaminated produce.
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so, earlier this week and armed man from north carolina travelled to a washington, d.c. pizzeria. police say he went there to quote, self-investigate a false internet story about a child sex trafficking ring that he believed was somehow connected to hillary clinton's campaign. the other businesses in that neighborhood are still reeling from the fallout of this. the owners of politics and
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prose, a bookstore that is an institution of d.c., it is on the same block as the pizzeria. we should know that alissa was once a speech writer for hillary clinton. guys, thanks so much for being here. i don't even know where to begin because this is all so fantastical and weird but why don't you just tell us what the scene was like on sunday when all of this was unfolding at the pizzeria near you. >> alisyn, first, thanks for having us and thanks for focusing attention on this issue. we were in the store on sunday afternoon, we had an event going on, mark schreiber was there talking about his new biography of the pope. and all of a sudden we saw and heard police converging on the block, closing off the block, motioning everybody to get off the sidewalks, and inside. so we had to lock down the store. >> so listen, before all of that hell broke loose on sunday were you aware of this conspiracy theory that was somehow
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implicating the pizzeria, and the businesses around it? >> yeah, we had become aware of it in the weeks before then. in kind of fits and starts is, really. and we flew from the owner of comet that he had been receiving weird things on his social media, and then we ended up consulting with other businesses on the block and it turned out we all over the weeks of november started to receive phone calls, things on social media, complete fantastical assertions about all of our businesses that attempted to connect all of our businesses again. totally preposterous way. >> and were you nervous? i mean when you started -- i don't know what sorts of things you saw on social media. maybe you can share those. but were they threatening and sort of dark enough that you started to worry about what might happen? >> most definitely. they were quite, quite threatening, including a threat of death and these were -- these were reported. to the authorities. and we were bracing for -- for
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something like that was what ultimately happened on sunday. >> oh, my gosh. so what did police tell you? i mean how do they stamp out an internet conspiracy theory? >> you know it happens on so many levels and in so many ways and of course these things go viral and the internet is not as regulated as maybe it could be or should be. what we have to focus on on a business with our block with all the other businesses is what we do. and we're continuing to do what we do, and interestingly what we do is so sort of contrary to all of this. we're there to provide a sense of community to be inclusive and tolerant, to provide diverse opinions and a place where people can exchange ideas and have rigorous conversations, and even debate, in a respectful, and civil way. and one of the reasons our block is such a strong block commercially in terms of a sense of community is because all of the businesses subscribe to that belief of community and so do the people who patronize our businesses and the entire surrounding neighborhood. so it's been an incredible thing to see moving forward the
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resilience, not just the resilience really of the community but just renewed strength and commitment to being what we are and continuing to be what we are and law enforcement will say that's really your best strategy. >> that's such a great point. the irony of this, of you all being targeted when you're all about sort of openness and discussion as opposed to, you know, the dark corners of the internet where these weird services live. but now that you both have been the target of this weirdness. what's the answer? i mean how do you -- how do we all stamp out these fake stories? >> look, on one level we get it. some of this is reflective of eroding confidence in the conventional sources of information that people have turn to. and so in the -- as a result people are looking for other
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sources, and they're fastening on some of these really outlandish tales. but i think one answer is for people to -- i mean exercise good judgment and common sense about what they -- about what they believe. >> lissa? >> yeah, no, i think that's right. i also think it's really important. we have a very, very close working relationship in our neighborhood with our local law enforcement and our neighborhood, and city government officials and now with federal officials as well. it's important to have those relationships. it's important to stand strong as a community. you know, it's important to shop local. it's important to support your local businesses for all of these reasons and the returns are great. because you get such a strong sense of community. and that's what we can do at our level. it's going to be up to politicians. it's going to be up to people in office, and in public spaces whether they're famous or not to try to help regulate this and bring some civility back to the public square. the public square is now in part the internet.
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so hopefully over time people will recognize the consequences of these sorts of things, and be able to move us in a more positive direction. well, thanks so much for having this discussion with us here on "new day." it is good to talk about it. and just stay safe. thanks to both of you. >> thanks for having us, alisyn. we appreciate it. >> take care. >> the good stuff, that's next. try theraflu expressmax,nd flu hold you back now in new caplets. it's the only cold & flu caplet that has a maximum strength formula with a unique warming sensation you instantly feel. theraflu. for a powerful comeback.
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all right you ready for a good good stuff? >> yes, i am. >> she's got a big heart >> oh, no. >> we are going to go to santa's house in the north pole. for real. a flight of 34 kids undergoing cancer treatments along with their families actually boarded a festive flight from o'hare international in chicago, flew all the way to the north pole. >> no way. >> yep. >> i'm pretty excited about this. because santa has been sighted today and we're going to be flying up there. so we're going to go up there and see if we can't see him in the air. >> operation north pole. along with cal's angels, united airlines, a group of volunteer pilots and flight attendants all teamed up to make an unforgettable trip for these children and their families. as they landed. >> yeah. >> santa greeted the kids.
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lots of activities, gifts, comfort dogs. all to make a merry christmas. >> oh thank goodness santa was there! i was worried how this was going to end. >> booked him in advance. >> but he's busy this time of year. >> have the kids sent their list? >> oh, yes. they do that in may. they're on top of it. >> impressive. >> time now for "newsroom" with carol costello. good morning, carol. >> smart kids, alisyn. smart kids. you guys have a great day, "newsroom" starts now. and good morning, i'm carol costello. thanks so much for joining me. president-elect donald trump beginning a busy day at the transition headquarters inside trump tower. at any time now the lobby's trade mark gold elevators will whisk the latest candidates to meet with mr. trump. retired admiral james straf idous is said to be on the growing list for secretary of state and if chosen he would only add to

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