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america lost an icon. president trump called trump a great pioneer of air and space. i was privileged to have interviewed him on many occasions. he was a giant of a man. our deepest condolences to his family and friends. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. next, breaking news. donald trump about to speak live in iowa as the battle between trump with the carrier union boss heats up. and trump insisting on the campaign trail he knows more than the generals. now naming three of the top hosts. is is it a good thing? and breaking news, donald trump will stay on at the apprentice while he is president of the united states. how much money will nbc be paying him? lelg let's go "outfront." good evening. "outfront" tonight breaking news. donald trump about to speak live
in iowa, we're going to be taking you there. it is going to be a major campaign-style rally. it is part of his victory tour across the country. speaking as you can see there are going to be thousands there tonight. these are live pictures from des moines on your screen. it is part of trump thanking voters in crucial swing states that helped put him over the top on election day. trump state also visiting ohio state university, the ohio state university just a short time ago, there to meet with survivors of a stunning attack on campus last month. >> these were really great people, amazing people. the police and first responders were incredible. the job done in particular by one young gentlemen was incredible. >> this comes as trump's battle with a carrier union leader escalates. chuck jones, says he received multiple death threats or threats since appears on
outfront. he said trump lied about his job dealing on twitter and trump accusing chuck jones of being terrible at his job. and i want to begin, jeff, what are we expecting from trump tonight? obviously another crucial part of his so called thank you tour. >> reporter: erin, no doubt about it. and he will be thanking the voters here in iowa. a state he won by some 10 percentage points and i bet he'll point out that margin of victory. what he's doing with these rallies is trying to build momentum for all the change he promised on the campaign trail. that could be harder to deliver than many think. >> as donald trump delivers new names to his cabinet, i it's clear how much his world has changed since winning the presidency, as he takes to
twitter it is clear he hasn't. >> he didn't tell the truth. he inflated the numbers and i called him out on it. >> chuck jones, president of the steel workers union at the carrier factory trump visited last week appearing on cnn's "new day." starting last night jones told erin burnett's that trump exaggerated when they were counting 1100 some odd jobs going to mexico. >> we have a lot of our members when word was coming out of 11, they thought that they would have a job. >> trump it seems was watching and fired back on twitter 20 minutes later saying jones has done a terrible job representing workers. no wonders countries flee country. and then more tweets. spend more time working, less
time talking. and tonight trump keeps adding to his cabinet. selecting andy puzder as labor secretary. ceo of carlson jr. >> i don't think there is anything wrong with that. there's problem nothing more american. >> the most anticipated position of secretary of state is still open. his victory tour rolls on tonight with a stop in iowa. >> we just saw the victims and the families. and we were -- these were really brave people. amazing people.
>> reporter: vice president elect pence will be joining trump on stage tonight. and erin what is so interesting about these rallies is when you talk to voters they are starting to get a sense of where his campaign promises end and where the real governing begins. all the promises to drain the swamp, some people don't believe he necessarily has. so these rallies are soon becoming a reality check for the trump administration. >> all right jeff. thank you very much. martin savage is "outfront" in indiana. you had a chance to speak to many people today. chuck jones among them. what sort of reaction is he receiving from this entire situation? >> reporter: you know a lot of people, the carrier workers especially are just surprised that donald trump would single out a union leader. a pretty obscure union leader and pick on him so harshly. they just feel that a president elect at this particular time has a lot better things to do.
and chuck jones by the way. he doesn't own a smart phone. he has the old fashioned flip phone. he had no idea president trump had tweeted anything. so it was only when he was bombarded with phone calls he began to figure out he was somehow the focus of president elect donald trump. a lot of those calls initially were threatening. they were certainly mean and then today began to change. a lot of people calling into the union today i was there. phone call after phone call saying hey, one thanks for standing up to the union and also for standing up to donald trump. and there is another man they called. bernie sanders. here is what some of said. >> reporter: you a-- >> you are now the most famous union leader in the united states of america. congratulations. >> well, you know. if i did something to piss off donald trump, so be it.
>> bernie sanders was also offering support to chuck jones. and encouraged donald trump to work with chuck jones to try to save jobs all across america. danny glover also posted a video message saying he too was standing with chuck. so chuck may be well known even if it is because a tweet of the president elect. "outfront" now. chuck jones heads up the local branch of his union. mr. girard. trump tweeted twice about the appearance last night. do you think what trump did was appropriate in any what? >> i'm a bit like chuck, i've only got a flip phone. when i landed last night in
washington and i got the messages, i tell you, i was a bit sad and and a bit disappointed. i really felt that wasn't a role for president elect trump to go after chuck jones. what chuck was doing was in fact terrifying. he has a responsibility to the members of his local union. and when he heard that there were going to be 1100 jobs saved those families were excited to have a shot at some security. when he investigated that is when he found out there were 780 jobs to be saved and 70 management jobs. and he had a responsibility to get the message out. and then he got slammed. and we said very early on. we wrote to president elect trump after the election. and said on the things you want to work on weir willing to work with you. we want to replace the south korean trade deal, etc., but we also want to have the same
position as the president elect. when a company fires people and brings job to another off shore country and then wants to bring those jobs back in and sell them in america, that is not right and president elect -- >> so you have a lot in common on that front. but trump, you know, it wasn't just chuck jones that he went against, leo. he went against unions more broadly. read the second tweet he sent about an hour later. if united steel workers 1999 was any good they would have kept those jobs in indiana. spend more time working less time talking. >> that's just mularkey, as joe biden would say. let me tell do you. the local union went to carrier when they made the announcement and said what can with we do to keep you here? and carrier said plainly, we can
do anything for $6 an hour there. and carrier made it clear. and we thank president elect trump for bringing carrier to at least save 730 jobs for now. but the fact is that our people could have worked for the minimum wage and those jobs still would have won't there. it is not hod good we were. and when they announced they were moving to mexico from a warehouse they actually told our people in that ware house it is not because of you. you make a good quality product. you work in an efficient place. we coujust go there and pay $6 hour as opposed to 20 or $23. and that is an important part we want to engage in how are we going to bring those good jobs back. >> -- so -- >> not just like that carrier but hundreds of others like carrier. >> trump actually is putting his
money where his mouth is. today he picked andy puzder as labor secretary. he owns carl's jr. and hardee's. he said business unions create jobs. labor unions do nod. they increase the cost of labor without increasing its value. is he the right pick for labor secretary? >> absolutely not. and let me just say this. if you look at what's going on over the years when workers increased productivity they got a benefit of the increase in productivity. the system hasn't worked. that is why we see so much resentment by workers from middle america to the heartland who have had their wages frozen basically for 30 years. so that animosity is there. and to say you are going to be able to keep people working for
$7.25 an hour and build an economy, you are not going to do that. that does not support a family. you know that and i know that, e ren. >> leo gerard. i preeshd appreciate your time. next. donald trump speaking any moment. and he could have the most generals in his cabinet since world war ii. is this something to celebrate? and will trump stay on as the apprentice while he's in the white house? yes. the answer is how much will he get paid? the microsoft cloud helps us
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breaking news. donald trump about to speak in des moines, iowa. these are pictures of the rally. about to announce has ambassador to china. today he met with the retired admiral. he's believed to be on the list for secretary of state. that crucial position still empty. trump has already tapped three other generals though to serve in his administration. can he do more? jim sciutto is "outfront." >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> reporter: on the campaign trail he trashed the american generals. >> under the leadership of barack obama and joe biden the leadership has been reduced to rubble. >> reporter: now surrounding
himself with them. >> your next secretary of defense general "mad dog" mattis. >> reporter: the total so far three and counting. retired general james mattis for secretary of defense. retired army general michael flinn for national security advisor. and john kelly for homeland security. a number not seen in the administration of the last actual general to serve as president, dwight eisenhower. >> idea that the a general by their experience is the best experience for each of these different agencies really sort of overestimates what these agencies do. >> reporter: donald trump has also elected people with key military backgrounds for some
positions. this graduated first this his class at west point. >> that goes against the normal ethos of having civilian control over the not only the military but over the government at large. you have or the very careful and bring a balance. >> for secretary of state he's now deciding secretary army general petraeus and stavr dis. >> reporter: other than his high school days at the private boarding school in the new york military academy trump avoided military service e receiving five draft deferments, including
one for bone spurs in his heel. >> i was not a big fan of the vietnam war. it was a disaster for our country. >> reporter: critics note that so far all these candidates themselves they are retired. they are not still in uniform. when the next announcement is expected donald trump himself has said maybe as soon as next week. >> and retired general james marks. basil smikle, jeffrey lord. basil. trump already has three generals. he's interviewing more. too much? >> it looks like it initially. as a friend of my said to me today he said he feels like we're in ancient rome or something. because he didn't understand why there was this emphasis on the military background in the
cabinet. but look on the one hand it seems freudian for donald trump to say i'm smarter than the generals and then hires all of these generals. i think he's just attracted to the skill set. obviously if you are in the military you get to that rank, you are an incredible manager and you know how to work with a lot of different moving parts. i think the concern some voters have are going to be can they understand the politics. and the constituencies. >> you served with these generals. >> flynn, mattis all these guys. >> and you think it is a good thing to have roman style, world war ii style military leadership? >> that is what basil's buddy said, i haven't met. no, but the point is, let's be frank. that is where the experience lies. over the course of the last 16 years, the existential threat of the united states, that burden has been carried by these military leaders. >> so you are saying that is where the mind and leaders went.
so that is where you need to farm from. >> that is where the leadership is. the experience is. japane juxtapose that to world war ii. post world war ii, everybody carried a burden. there was a nation that's been at war. the nation has not been at war for the last 16 years. the military has been at war for the last 16 years. that is where the experience is today. >> he has to get cottage to give waiver. one thing you have to be out for seven years in order to serve. >> for defense only. >> mattis is going to be the only one that needs to get the waiver. but you have all these -- congress is going to look at this. and say wait a minute. at some point are they going to say okay, no more military? >> no question those are a lot of as jim sciutto said, retired generals. they are also very smart, very capable people. and the irony of what he said as we saw on the campaign trail
about how he knew. you know i think he met these guys, and he knows they mow more than he does it. and everyone i spoke to today on both sides of the aisle said they think it is actually good for donald trump to have this kind of experience and training. when he went into the interview with general mattis say being for water boarding and came out saying maybe not so fast. >> and donald trump has said things about the general. sciutto gave you a little bit of the taste. here is some more. >> the generals have been reduced to rubble. they have been reduced to a point where it's embarrassing -- >> they don't know much about winning. they haven't done the job. >> the most rebacent of those comments was november 13th. this was very recent.
this was november 13th. they haven't done the job. but now he's picking them all to do the job. >> i think he's picking the best ones. >> a couple of things here. number one we've had generals in government before. plenty of them. general flynn is going to take over the u --. but in the same role all the way back in the roosevelt administration, admiral leahy serves as white house of chief of staff. so there is nothing really new about this. i find this amusing someone says we're pick okay generals. nobody says there are noh too many lawyers or whatever -- >> well maybe americans do want more of that. that is why they wanted donald trump. >> you can find a leader in the military ranks.
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president elect donald trump, we're learning is going to remain the executive producer of "the apprentice" while he's president of the united states of america. what does this mean. >> reporter: it is a stunning conflict of interest when you think about it. he is going to be remaining executive producer. which means he's going to be collecting a paycheck from a major media company at the same time that he's serving as president of the united states. i spoke to a spokesperson with
the trajs saying mr. trump has a big stake in the show and conceived it with mark burnett, that is of course the creators of the show. and has been a close friend to donald trump over the years. but does give you indication that when trump was insisting that his business was far less important to him than the presidency. that may have come with some caveats. the other other peace of news is that there is really no source of news at this point that donald trump plans to invest him entirely in his company, the trump foundation. we're going learn more next week. whether he plans to transfer more of this, at least the day to day operations to his two sons and potentially to ivanka. and a source tells me it is possible donald trump is going to add another person to this management structure to try to help create a little bit more distance to bat back against these claims that there is a
conflict of interest. but the source says that less to do with with the perception and more about him wanting to shield/protect his children. >> thank you sara murray. and i want to go "outfront" now particularly to joe becker of the "new york times." you have been breaking so much on this story. it is pretty stunning here. can trump keep his stake in the trump organization with all of the lack of transparency that would entail? >> legally he can. it is interesting. the conflict of interest laws that govern federal employees don't apply to the vice president or the president. so legally he can keep his company. however there are statutes.
clauses in the constitution, that say that government official can't take gifts from a foreign government. the thinking through kind of how all of this is going to work is sort of mind boggling. if you think about it, he has said the current thinking is he wants to retain his ownership stake in the company. he will turn over the day-to-day operations to his two sons. ivanka our sources say is going step aside from the organization. her husband is preparing for a role in the white house, and i think that is part of it. but how do you sort of create a legal structure that separates you from the running of your business, when your sons are running the business. when you know what the assets are. how do you prevent running afoul of all of these laws if diplomats of russia, for instance, want to hold huge
souares month afteren mon month trump properties. are the sons going to manage the portfolio. are they going to expand the business? if so are they going to expand in foreign countries, what does that look like? >> the only way to avoid a conflict of interest is to sell the whole thing. that's not going to happen. so the panel is back with me. basil, let me start with the breaking news here. donald trump is going to be president of the united states of america and executive producer of "the apprentice." he could say i don't want to be paid but nonetheless you are going to see his name. he's not going away from "the apprentice" but still going to be president. >> the conflict of interest are huge. and that is why we like to see tax returns during presidential campaigns.
but that said, yes this is very troubling. i it doesn't appear he can create the legal firewall necessary to truly distance himself. if he goes to another country and stays at one of his resort os are his children, whatever the case is. is he going to be making money after the fact as of result of that. the secret service has to pay to use his space at trumpet. how is he benefitting from that? >> ben ferguson, do you have any issue with donald trump president, donald trump executive producer of "the apprentice" being simultaneous events? >> no i don't. i knew this was going to happen. this is basically royalties. he created something. the trump branding. and to imply he would somehow leave that all of he built with
60 or so days after an election was never on the table and voters knew this. >> you are saying it is okay for him to get royalties from nbc? >> i'm saying it is okay for him to keep the interest he has currently in things he built beforehand. i don't want him working on the apprentice. but when you created something as a businessman and you get paid back over time for what you created, everybody who voted for donald trump understands that he was not going to fire sale every bit that he helped create over time. let's also be clear too, there have been many people that have actually made money from the secret service. there was i think a cheap shot that's just made. joe biden's family has made money from the secret service. so as hillary clinton and bill
clinton. that is normal. many times they rent space from you on your private property including where your home is. so let's not act like that is some new thing or that is out of bounds. >> you charge them with that? i got to say i would have a problem with that in all those cases. >> not is to be a smart alec but this is season two of the next donald trump. and there are lawyers at work. between now and the announcement let's see what he comes out and says. but i think this is -- he says he wants to build walls. and you talked about legal firewall. i think this wall is going to be a wall that has a lot of holes in it. there are going to be lot of blurred lines. he's not divesting. >> so we will have russian diplomats, bahrainian diplomat, whoever it is hosting parties at the trump hotel maybe because
they figure that will curry favor with donald trump. and that is going the happen all the time and legally there is nothing anybody can do about it? >> correct. and the voters knew these were his businesses and accepted and perhaps all they cared about are jobs and safe streets and building a wall and getting isis. the reality is this is going to cause a problem for president elect trump because of one word, appearance. >> let me say this about donald. donald trump understands this. look at one of his biggest lines when he was running for president. was attacking hillary clinton with the conflict of interest and the clinton foundation and massive donations while she was at the state department. >> he said quid pro quo. isn't it the same thing then? >> and this is my point. donald trump understands that this is an issue that democrats will use against him for the next four years. let's see what he rolls out
before we pass judgment on him because i think he realizes something here. if it is too big an issue and every day the white house is having to answer questions about some scenarios, it will hurt his presidency and that is something i think he's very cognizant of and that is why we continue to want to know exactly how this is going to look until he comes out and talks about the press conference. but i think he realizes he doesn't want this lingering for four years where every weekend he's going to be answering questions about it. >> i think today we just found out he is staying as executive producer of the"the apprentice." >> and anything you could have said about hillary clinton, this is not that. >> the executive producer of "the apprentice." >> certainly not that. >> our guest last night on the
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breaking news. we're standing by for donald trump to speak. he just landed in des moines, iowa. you are looking at live pictures of that rally. he's officially expected to announceme announcement. >> reporter: president elect donald trump is watching on tv look at his twitter feed. it may be a very good indication. >> another great retweet. >> trump often waited on content, especially when it is about him. saturday night he called the show unwatchable while the show was still on. he has an instant feedback loop. watching, tweeting, watching some more. trump has some 17 million
followers so the consequences can be serious. union leader chuck jones said he was disappointed with the carrier deal. >> i just wish he had had his numbers down. >> reporter: and minutes later trump castigated jones. trump critic robert wright warned of the dangers of a president intimidated a private individual. >> reporter: because donald trump is probably watching right now. let me just say this stop this. this is actually penalizing people for speaking their minds. >> reporter: trump tweeted again telling the steel workers union to spend more time working, less time talking. it is hard to know for sure what compels trump to complain but this tv/tweet cycle was on
display all season long. when he likes a show he tells people to watch. when he hates a show he blasts them. >> i just tweeted megyn kelly. what a great tweet. what a smart tweet. >> we're in a security briefing. >> reporter: "saturday night live" alec baldwin in the hot seat recently. and more concerns appearing one by one. it is clearly good for twitter. but is it good for america? >> we're definitely entering into a new world where everything is in the surface and we can all see it in real time and we can have conversations about it. so where does that go? i'm not really sure? >> one month of election day washington still coming to grips
with the idea that the president could be live tweeting who knows what, not just about corporations but also against private individuals. we saw this in the campaign and still seeing it today. trump says he'll be more restrained as president but who knows. maybe he'll live tweet the celebrity apprentice. >> thank you. and next we are awaiting donald trump because as id said he's in and out in des moines on the ground going to that rally location. so that could begin any moment. we're learning more tonight about his possible choice the crucial open spot, secretary of state. and the breaking news, john glenn dead at the age of 95. we look at the life of an american hero. ♪
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china. he's a friend of the chinese president. that would be a very good thing. here is what trump has said about china. >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country. china is responsible for nearly half of our entire trade deficit. they break the rules in every way imaginable. >> america has lost 70,000 factories since china joined the world trade organization. think of it. >> "china is raping america" now he's going to pick a guy who's going to fight but fix that? ? >> he understands this is an important relationship and needs
somebody who also has a real connection. and obviously the pick he's chosen has a very real connection with this country. he also knows this governor has been really tough before. and so navigating the waters, i think is going to play well to his advantage not only for trump but when it comes to renegotiating. most americans believe china has been getting the best of us. the governor agrees with that sentiment. yet he understands how to negotiate with them. how to trade with them. they are massive importer of soybean and agriculture going into china is big. so you have to have someone who can really walk in there with credibility but also say look, things are going to change. donald trump is not going to allow things to be the way that they have been and what you are use toed so i'm going to be your liaison and work with you and it should work well. >> does this give you calm? wait a minute, everyone criticized trump for this call to taiwan.
but maybe there is a really smart strategy here. we know what we've been doing with china has not been working. trump makes the call. makes them mad. and then puts branstad in there. is he kind of doing good cop/bad cop and is this a good strategy? >> i don't know. if it's his smart strategy or someone else's. we'll have to wait and see. but i do think it is a very interesting pick for donald trump. and again, i actually go back to the earlier point about business interests. and my concern again is what is the end of all of this? what happens at the end of all of this between donald trump the individual and businessman and donald trump the president of the united states. >> and jamie you also have reporting tonight on the crucial question mark, the unfilled position here, secretary of state. >> and we still don't know. what we do know is mitt romney is back in very serious
contention. >> you said he was here. here in new york again. >> he was here in new york. but here is the question i keep hearing about. there are trump advisors who clearly don't want mitt romney and we've seen them very publicly push back. i'm also told that president elect trump is trying to understand or get comfortable with the fact that mitt romney has his own power base. this is not someone like other picks in the cabinet where they will revolve around trump. >> yeah. not mitt romney. >> exactly. >> thanks to all. donald trump moments away and we want to have time to remember a pioneer of space, one of the giants of the 20th century, john glenn. we take a brief break and we'll be back with that and trump live.
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breaking nusmtz we're standing by for donald trump to speak at his rally in iowa. before he left for des moines he spoke about the former astronaut john glenn. trump met him. john glenn passed away today at the age of 95. >> john glenn today, the passing. to me he was a great, truly great american hero. >> president obama also remembered the hero saying glenn in his words lifted the hoechs
hopes of a nation. martin savidge is "outfront." >> reporter: john glenn, one of america's first astronauts. one of seven known as tmercury seven chosen on the united states' first attempt to put men in space. he has already made history flying from los angeles to new york in 3 hours and 23 minutes. and as glenn lifted off in this friendship seven capsule floe astronaut in mission control uttered some of the most memorable words in history. ". >> god speed john glenn." >> when he returned, he was legend. and immortalized in the movie "the right stuff." >> i didn't much care about the
movie. we had no control over the movie at all. >> until then the russians had led the space race. glenn gave credence to president john kennedy's pledge to put men on the moon. he was too valuable as an american figure. he resigned from nasa in 1964. after leaving nasa he spent the next decade as a businessman. but in 1974 he ran for and won a u.s. senate seat from ohio. when he announced he'd retire at the end of the 105th congress, glenn had served for 24 years. widely regarded as a effective demonstrator and moderate democrat. in 1984 reran for president. >> with the nomination of my party i firmly believe i can beat ronald reagan. >> john glenn never gave up on his dream one day returning to space. at the age of 77 he flew on a
nine day space shuttle mission. in 2012 president obama recognized that and all of his accomplishments by awarding the highest civilian honor, the presidential medal of freedom. for most people fame is fleeting. for john glenn it lasted a lifetime. >> and thank you so much for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. tonight a true explorer's journey comes to an end. john glenn the first american to orbit the earth has died at the age of 95. more about his extraordinary life later tonight. also new tonight a sitting president of the united states will play a key role in a reality and on the payroll of the media company that covers him. we begin in iowa where the presid