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together for the cnn's heroes all-star tribute sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. tune in this sunday morning for state of the union. i'll sit down with vice president joe biden for an exit interview on cnn at 9:00 a.m. and 12:00 noon eastern. have a great weekend. i turn you over to wolf blitzer and the situation room. >> happening now, breaking news. out of the running. rudy giuliani no longer being considered for secretary of state. trump says the former new york mayor withdrew from consideration. did he really just tell giuliani he wasn't getting the job? russian investigation. after months of complaints president obama orders a full review of immediately by moscow. i'll talk about it with a key member of the intelligence committee. a man suspected plotting an attack is taken into custody in a port city. recovering an assault rifle,
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ammunition. where was he planning to strike? cnn has learned u.s. special operations forces were on the verge of capturing or killing the leader of isis last year. a source says baghdadi was within u.s. reach in the isis capital in syria. so what went wrong? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the situation room. this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following breaking news. rudy giuliani now out of the running for secretary of state. and other posts. sources say the former new york city mayor was told he was not being considered earlier this week but tonight giuliani says it was his decision. we're also following an investigation into russian interference in the u.s. election. president obama has ordered a full review of a series of
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cyberattacks and leaked e-mails to be completed before donald trump takes office. trump denies any meddling by russia. stunning former cia director michael hayden says trump is refusing because they conflict with his assumption. trump says he has decided to stay in his role as executive producer of celebrity apprentice while he's in the white house. his involvement in the show is a major conflict of interest potentially for nbc as it reports on trump's presidency. unclear how much trump will be paid per episode. we're covering all that. much more with our guests including senator king, a key member of the senate intelligence committee. our correspondents and expert analysts also standing by. let's begin with the breaking news about rudy giuliani. our national correspondent jason carroll is joining us from michigan.
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jason, what's the latest and what are you hearing, giuliani now out? >> reporter: rudy giuliani took his name out during a meeting on november 29th. some have likened it to a case of musical chairs for secretary of state. exxon ceo still has a chair or mitt romney but the chair not being pulled out for rudy giuliani. as for tonight the focus is on trade and education and donald trump thanking a state that hasn't gone red in a presidential election since 1988. >> president of the united states won't be donald trump's only title come january, he will also remain an executive producer on nbc's "celebrity apprentice". >> join your new boss. >> which will air starting january 2nd. >> the idea these men are going to be all work and nothing else all the time is just unrealistic
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because it's never happened in our lifetimes. i know donald trump very well and can tell you work is his work and or by. >> a spokesperson says trump has a big stake in the show he hosted for 14 seasons. >> you're fired. >> with the agreement drawing attention to conflicts of interest involving trump's business operation, the subject he's planning to address at a press conference next week. during the campaign, trump repeatedly said his business interest would take a backseat to running the country. >> i think the brand is hotter than it's ever been. but it doesn't matter to me. i don't care. doesn't matter. i don't care about the brand. i care about the country. >> are you do know i built a very great company but if i become president i couldn't care less about my company. it's peanuts. >> kellyanne says he would work on the show in his spare time. >> were we so concerned about the hours and hours spent on the golf course of the current president? i mean presidents have a right
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to do things in their spare time or their leisure time. >> amid the focus on dump's business dealings he's also defending his decision to fill several cabinet posts with wealthy business people including billionaire robert ross as commerce secretary, billionaire activist betsy devos at the education department and steven mnuchin as treasury secretary. >> some of the people you have been noticing are some of the most successful people in the world. the one newspaper criticized me. why can't they have people of modest means? because i want people that made a fortune. because now they're negotiating with you. >> trump also saying he will keep up the pressure on u.s. companies to personally stop them from shipping jobs overseas. >> i said give me a list of ten companies leaving and i actually loved calling these companies and saying hi, while we're on the phone, don't leave, please don't leave, please.
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and we have had great success. you'll be seeing a lot more success. >> that as trump moves forward with setting his governing agenda meeting with one time critic house speaker paul ryan. >> really enjoyed coming up and meeting with the president-elect. we had a great meeting and talked about our transition and excited about hitting the ground running in 2017 to put this country back on track. >> and wolf, there are talk about who might be joining the president-elect tonight in grand rapids. his choice for education secretary expected to join him here on the stage as is romney, daniels the state party chair woman and also the niece of mitt romney and widely seen as the favorite to take over the rnc chair. >> we're watch it with you. thanks so much jason carroll reporting. sara murray, it's pretty stunning development when you think how close rudy giuliani
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was throughout this campaign basically to donald trump, all of a sudden word out he's announcing he's no longer in the running to become secretary of state. >> rudy yulianny was a front-runner based on the fact he made no secret wanting this job but was very loyal to donald trump very early on. he was just on television explaining why he says he pulled his name out of the running. let's take a listen to that. >> my desire to be in the cabinet was great but it wasn't that great. and he had a lot of terrific candidates and i thought i could play a better role being on the outside and continuing to be his close friend and advisor. that's sort of the role i played during the campaign. i never worked for the campaign, nor part of it. gave me a certain degree of independence and being able to give advice and i saw that he had so many good candidates
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available. i mean, there was no reason to complicate his life any longer. i withdrew back on the 29th. >> now, he says he withdrew his name. that's not what we're hearing from sources. sources say he was informed he would not be getting the secretary of state position and behind the scenes they had been trying to urge him to accept maybe one of these other slots in the national security and defense arena and giuliani made it clear it was secretary of state that that's what he wanted. >> are so they came up with a face saving way for him to go away, is that what you're hearing? >> right. which is incredible when you think about how early he threw his support behind trump and how trump has made a big deal of being a candidate who rewards loyalty. >> he was asked about mitt romney who apparently is still in the running. and giuliani did not hold back at all. >> absolutely not. this is the coveted position. this is what the battle is about, secretary of state and rudy giuliani is no fan for mitt romney for that job.
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listen to what he said. >> i thought mitt went over the line in the things he said about donald trump and i mean, president-elect is going to make his decision, i will support that decision, but you know, my advice would be mitt went just a little too far to -- you can make friends and make up, but i would not see him as a candidate for the cabinet. >> now of course we know there are a couple of different candidates in the mix for secretary of state but it is abnormal to see people who are advisers out there trashing someone's name. >> you're hearing the frustration among the early supporters of donald trump. >> there is frustration from some people who expected maybe they would get staff positions in the white house or agency that just say they really haven't heard anything about their fate and frustration to
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look at people under consideration for these top slots and see rudy giuliani pushed aside while donald trump talks to someone like mitt romney and to see ronna romney as donald trump's pick to be the next rnc chairperson over governor chris christie who sounded like he was interested in the job and now left out in the cold as donald trump build his team for the national committee that will support him. >> rudy giuliani joins a list of very high profile supporters like chris christie or mike huckabee or newt gring rich but not going to be serving directly in this incoming administration. sara, thanks for that report. more on that coming up. not now to a huge story we're following. a full review today ordered by president obama, russian interference of the u.s. election. jim, what's behind the white
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house move? >> behind is new intelligence further corroborating the view that russia hacked the u.s. election. the administration also under pressure from democrats to make public more intelligence about the hacking and today the white house said such a release of information could come after this new investigation and review is complete. >> it was an unprecedented cyberattack ordered by senior russian leadership on the u.s. election. hacking the e-mails of democratic officials, then released to the public daily by wikileaks and now president obama is ordering the intelligence community to conduct a full review of putin's meddling and all siecyberattack going back to 2008. >> major priority for the president of the united states. he directed his national security officials to take this on and expects that report to be issued to him before he leaves
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office. >> the question is, how will his successor react? >> wouldn't it be nice if we did get along with russia? >> trump repeatedly praised russia and denied the kremlin interfered with the u.s. intelligence community. >> it could be china and lots of other people, also somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay. >> he's continued to express doubts even now that he has access to top u.s. intelligence as the president-elect. telling time magazine this week, i don't believe they interfered. that became a laughing point, not a talking point. any time i do something they say oh, russia interfered. trump's skepticism of the intelligence community comes despite his own limited appetite for intelligence briefings. so far, trump has only had four presidential daily briefings. on average, one per week. cnn has learned he has requested
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a more focused briefing on the threat from north korea. former cia director telling cbs news that is not often enough. >> if you're president of the united states you better be in touch on a daily basis with your intelligence briefers so you have an understanding as to what's happening in the world. what are the crises you have to pay attention to and what steps do you have to take in order to deal with those crises. >> the next president of the united states. >> one source for such crucial guidance will be his national security adviser. retired general michael flynn but democratic and republican critics are questioning flynn's judgment based in part of his affinity for news. >> i've had people in the media saying that's a lie. >> in an august radio interview with breitbart news flynn claimed that arabic signs were present along mexico to guide potential terrorists into the u.s. >> i have personally seen the
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photos of the signage along that path as you come in, in arabic, move to this point. it's unbelievable. >> a cnn file review of available information however could not corroborate flynn's claim. flynn, the trump campaign and border patrol all declined to comment to cnn. >> on president-elect trump's briefings, he is getting them less frequently than previous president-elects. reince priebus said the number will increase as he gets closer to his inauguration. >> jim, thanks very much. let's get some more on all of this. the independent senator king of maine is joining us. a member of the intelligence and armed services committee. thanks for joining us. >> absolutely. >> the decision by the president to order this review of russian interference in this election. why has it taken so long? >> it's important he's made that decision.
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they were gathering intelligence and now he's basically ordered the intelligence community to pull it all together and hadn't said make it public but at least have it all together before he leaves office. i think there's an important reason to make it public, that is this is the russians standard operating procedure around the world. the american people need to understand and know what they're up to so they can assess this as it happens in future election. this is not about past election, it's about future. >> based on what you know, what do you know specifically about russian interference in the u.s. election system? >> i can't tell you what i know on a classified basis but i can tell you there's an absolutely incredible powerful memo that was released on october 7th by jim clapper, the head of the national -- director of national intelligence who is a 50 year nonpartisan prags nal and it said three things, the russians are behind this, number two, the
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russians are leaking it, number three, it is intended to influence or interfere with our elections and number four, it was approved at the highest level of the russian government. that is i find pretty astounding. >> he did issue a public statement with jeh johnson in early october making those points. but the argument was that they interfered with the democratic national committee. they hacked the dnc e-mails. they hacked apparently -- you can confirm this through wikileaks they hacked some top officials from the hillary clinton campaign, john podesta the campaign chairman but never concluded that there was actual russian involvement in trying to interfere with election systems, voting booths, stuff like that. you haven't come up with any evidence of that right? >> in that same memo they do
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talk about the attempt to hack into some of our state's electoral systems. >> did they conclude it was russia doing that? >> they said it was likely russ russia. i mean the intelligence community, that was what was so remarkable about that memo, i read a lot of intelligence data. they're always very careful. the level of confidence in their conclusions was very high. that's why i think that what the president has done today is extremely important. >> here's what donald trump said in this time magazine interview this week. asked about russian interference. i don't believe they interfered. that became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point. any time i do something, they say oh, russia interfered, why not get along with russia? that's the president-elect of the united states. your reaction? >> well, i think there are places where we can get along with russia and for example, we both are opposed to isis. but there are also places we clearly are adversarial with
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russia. his support of assad and aleppo right now -- i should say russia's support of assad and what they're doing in aleppo right now is terrible and contrary to american policy. the ukraine, crimea, lots of differences. you know, you have got to look at the facts, but the statement by the national security director and the director of homeland security was pretty unequivocal and to say that that -- it's speculative, i just don't think is accurate based upon what i saw in that statement and the fact that jim clapper is a 50 year veteran of intelligence all administrations, you know, he's going back to the grant administration, i mean he's been working on this. he's a pro to say that he did this for some kind of political reason doesn't pass a straight face. >> he certainly is a pro and the hacks involve democratic institutions like the dnc or the hillary clinton campaign, not
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republican institutions or the trump campaign which suggest that the russians were actually trying to interfere to get donald trump elected. do you believe that? >> that's what we're going to see in this review that the president has ordered. i can't comment any further. >> we'll see what the president's order results in. stand by, senator. we have a lot more to discuss. other information coming in. we'll take a quick break. we'll be right back. and the best deals are on the best network. (both) yes! (vo) with no surprise overages, you can use your data worry free and even carry over the data you don't use. and right now get four lines and 20 gigs for only $40 per line. and, just for the holidays, get a samsung galaxy s7 edge for only $15 per month. no trade-in required. i love you in that, no, i love you in that. no, i love you in that! (vo) hurry, these offers end soon. get the best deals and the best network, only on verizon. [engine revving] ♪
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. breaking news this hour. the former new york city mayor long time donald trump loyalist rudy giuliani is now out. he's out of the running for secretary of state and other posts. he made it clear he wanted to be the secretary of state and no longer under consideration. sources are saying he was told
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he was not being considered earlier this week. tonight giuliani is saying this was his decision, he informed donald trump to take him out of the running. we're back with angus king of maine. let me get your reaction to this rudy giuliani development. you're a senator. you're going to have to confirm anyone who is nominated to be secretary of state. when you hear that giuliani is now out, what goes through your mind? >> i think it's just -- i have no idea what the motivation here was, whether he in fact took himself out as he says or whether the trump transition team decide he wasn't the right guy or maybe there would have been difficulties in confirmation. i just don't know. we'll wait and see what the nominees are and assess them one at a time and listen to the hearings. >> you want to confirm a secretary of state nominee. who would be your first choice? you have seen the list. this is all very, very
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transparent. no secret who donald trump is considering. >> i have to tell you that i have a great deal respect for bob corker. he's very thoughtful, been all over the world. he's a very solid guy that does his homework. again, i have no role whatsoever in this process. >> but you do have to confirm someone? >> that will be after a series of hearings and listening to them. corker certainly has the breadth of experience i would say. >> mitt romney i assume you would welcome that announcement? >> i'm afraid if i say yes to anybody it would be the kiss of death. >> say yes or no. what do you think about mitt romney? >> he certainly has a great kdel of experience and broad across the country but i think bob corker has greater experience in foreign policy. >> a new name that has emerged, rex tillerson who once represented exxon mobile has a
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relationship with putin. do you know anything about him? how would you deal with him? is. >> i don't. here's what i plan to do. i'm -- >> in the end you have to vote? >> i do. but i'm going to go to the hearings even though i'm not on the committees just to listen. i'll sit and listen because i want to hear the answer to the question. that's how i'm going to make my call. >> what do you think of the picks so far? >> i think you start -- again, i want to qualify and wait and listen to the hearings, to the questions. i will have an opportunity to talk to many of them one on one. general mattis and general kelly, i know from appearances before the armed services committee. well respected in the field. everything i hear about them is positive. and my own personal experience is positive. i think those are strong appointments. with mattis we have got to get through the issue of how long do you have to be out of the military and it's an important principle.
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kind of interesting. people talking about donald trump appointing generals. at this time eight years ago obama had appointed three generals. >> including general jim jones, a supreme allied commander. >> his national security advisor. i think mattis and kelly look like very strong candidates. >> you didn't michael flynn who is going to be the national security advisor. no confirmation needed for white house political appoint tees. what do you think of him? >> i don't know much about him. he was head of the -- >> didn't he brief the head of the armed services committee? >> he would occasionally but i don't have any specific memory of dealing with him. i'm sure he was at the committee from time to time but i don't remember him versus mattis and kelly because we had multiple hearings with them. >> very diplomatic response. senator king, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> angus king of maine.
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we're following the breaking news just a while ago the trump transition team put out a written statement saying rudy giuliani has one hayes name for consideration for any job in the incoming trump administration. cnn has learned giuliani was told this week he was out of the running to become the secretary
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of state. that's the only job he wanted. right now the president-elect is heading to a rally in michigan after wrapping up a stop in louisiana. let's bring in our political and business experts starting with you gloria, the giuliani decision today, you know, he made the announcement, he said i don't want it anymore, move on, somebody else will do it. that seems like a face-saving announcement after being told you're not going to be secretary of state. >> this has been going on for quite some time. giuliani has been up there, told people that that was the one job he wanted was secretary of state. i think they were ready according to my sources to offer him for example department of homeland security. this was the one job he wanted. today we reported this and then the president-elect trump's transition sent out a statement saying that giuliani had removed himself from consideration on november 29th and they also said look, he passed every vet with
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flying colors and giuliani made the point i would rather stay where i am in the private sector. so kind of a face-saving way to handle this. >> what about chris christie, very loyal donald trump supporter. he wanted something, apparently he's going to get what? >> nothing. absolutely nothing. again there was a meeting between the president-elect and chris christie during which i was told it was a short and sweet meeting and during that short and sweet meeting christie said he doesn't want to be part of the public speculation show anymore and that he was happy to remain donald trump's friend and an informal adviser and that he wants to remain as governor. i think the translation of that is also that christie didn't get anything close to what he wanted. there was a lot of personal friction there. remember, he lost his job running the transition. so they had a conversation where
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i'm told the president-elect felt -- said he felt badly and wanted to patch things up but it was clearly difficult for both of them. >> you have rudy giuliani, out, chris christie, out. some other high profile supporters of donald trump. newt gingrich, mike huckabee. what are you hearing? >> don't cry for me argentinarg. these guys are going to make a ton of money selling their closeness and insight of donald trump and his administration. their proximity to it. look, they have a great life. i know rudy giuliani pretty well. he's got a pretty great life in the private sector and he gets to play golf, hang out with his friends, travel the world and make a lot of money and do it all from his private sector niche. if you're going to give that up, why give it up for something is not what you really want? i think he was willing to give it up for secretary of state, wasn't willing to give it up for any other job and i think he's going to have a very profitable
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four years ahead of him. there's a lot of cigar buying and golf playing in florida in his future. rudy, i'll see you down there. >> you'll be down to florida too. rex tillerson is the exxon ceo, has a lot of international experience. exxon's involved with about 50 countries and suggestions there could be some conflicts, ethical concerns. his name has surfaced over the 24, 48 hours as a possible secretary of state. >> he also supposedly knows put tib and not surprisingly since exxon has huge resources and deals in various parts of the world. it's not a million -- look, it sounds unusual to start with, wolf, but not a million miles from secretary of state to a ceo who is of a global company that has strategic interest and strategic importance such as oil and gas in countries like russia
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and all those sort of parts of the world. it's turning into a fascinating cabinet, wolf. you have got three military men and you have got five millionaires, some of them bordering on billionaires or some many times billionaires. so the militaries and the millions and now if rex gets it you'll have another millionaire. ceo's and generals are making up this cabinet which is a fascinating series of contradictions and forces and egos that will all come to play. >> rebecca, you have heard that some are saying donald trump is approaching this entire selection process as if it's the apprentice if you will. you have heard those suggestions? >> certainly. certainly. i would sort of agree with that assessment, wolf. what we know about donald trump from the campaign, from this transition, from even before he was a political figure is that
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he knows how to entertain, he values that and he also knows how to market things. how to keep things interesting, keep people interested. he's very good at these things and he's taking all of those tools and using them in the selection process to keep the american people and his supporters interested in the process. it's no coincidence, wolf, that donald trump is going out across the country on a thank you tour continuing to hold these political style campaign style events to keep his supporters really interested and really excited about what is to come. it's clear to me that he wants to enter office as president to be sworn in in january with still some wind at his back and so entertaining people through this selection process of this cabinet which is usually a boring process for people except people like us who care about politics a lot, it actually keeps his supporters excited.
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>> he energizes his supporters. everybody stand by. we'll take another quick break. we'll be right back. coming up on "look! famous people!"
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back with our political and business experts. donald trump staying on the apprenti apprentice. his adviser kellyanne conway was on cnn saving look, this is
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something he can do in his spare time sort of the way president obama plays golf in his spare time. is that a far analogy? >> i think it might be the way president obama gets royalties from his books that he has written perhaps. look, i think it's sort of a cliche to say we're in unchartered waters. he's not going to get paid directly by nbc, going to get paid by mgm and i think that i don't know how involved he's going to be other than to have his name up there and i think he can't resist it because he considers it his baby. i think it's completely strange for this to occur, but this is donald trump. and the apprentice is something he feels was a very important part of his life. that it catapulted him to the presidency and doesn't want to let go of it. >> was involved for more than a dozen years on that. >> we'll have to see if there's
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some kind of taping done in the oval office. >> richard quest, you have been studying this. how is the president-elect using his business acumen to deal with these issues now as president-elect of the united states states? >> it's fascinating. the people i've been speaking to are clear. he's treating it as a project. wolf, exactly as if he was building a building. take the transition. they had hoped to announce secretary of state by now. but for whatever reason they weren't able to do so. well, trump is just the ekwi learnt of the steel didn't arrive or the plumbing wasn't ready. bring another part of the project in and get on to what you can do at the moment. everything i hearsays he's just focussed in the way this is a project that has to be done, it's just different from building a building but it's exactly the same sort of skills. you have just got to get it done and you put one foot in front of the other. fascinating to watch.
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>> rebecca, he's moving quickly, apparently doing it more robustly than his predecessors including president obama eight years ago. >> that's right. it's been amazing because you think back a few weeks and republicans, still quite a few republicans very wary of donald trump, not excited about his candidacy and now you have a dynamic where republicans are by and large thrilled with the choices he has made so far. really encouraged by what they're seeing out of the transition for the most part. as you mentioned, they're doing it very quickly, doing it at an encouraging pace for many republicans. it's kind of the opposite of what we have seen from the republican party and donald trump to this point. >> speaking of republican party, anna, what are you hearing from your republican friends, impressed, not so much? >> right on the money. i think there was a lot of fear as to what kind of people he
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would be appointing. he's got congress people very respected in the republican congress like kathy mcrogers, the highest ranking woman, tom price. these are people that are known. people with ability and respected within the republican party. i think he's been fascinating in how he builds himself wiggle room. he threw out the three names for the base. bannon, sessions and flynn at the beginning and after that, he really has gone off on chartered territory very different than what he promised in the campaign. >> that's why a lot of trump loyalists are upset about this because they believe he has forgotten the people who brought him in and who were loyal to him throughout the last 18 months and he's bringing in a lot of never-trumpers or people who just kept quiet during the campaign or even considering somebody who led never-trumpers like mitt romney for top positions and they're saying donald trump, you have to remember us and don't get
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we're learning new details about the hunt or the leader of isis. let's go to brian todd. you're hearing u.s. forces nearly got him?
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>> reporter: that's right. we have new information about a series of u.s. operations against top isis commanders near their stronghold. the shadowy leader of isis came close to being captured or killed. and tonight, the pressure on him remains intense. tonight, cnn learned of a close call for the world's most wanted terrorist. a man with a $10 million bounty on his head. isis leader al baghdadi. a senior u.s. military official tells cnn u.s. special operations forces came "close to capturing or killing baghdadi in may of last year near raqqah, syria." >> the sooner the better. >> reporter: the u.s. military official said when u.s. forces raided a compound last year and killed an isis operative, that terrorist's wife, who was captured, told them they had been with baghdadi a few days earlier in raqqah.
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>> she was the den mother for a lot of the sex slaves, the yazidi girls and kayla mueller, the western hostage. she was baghdadi's personal sex slave. he was raping her. that was the location where the u.s. special forces raided. >> reporter: where is baghdadi now? earlier this year, u.s. officials said he was most likely hiding in raqqah, the isis stronghold. at some point he's believed to have gone to mosul, iraq. but iraqi sources tell cnn just after the iraqi offensive began in october, baghdadi is believed to have left mosul, despite recording this audio message for his fighters. >> translator: holding your ground in honor is 1,000 times better than retreating in disgrace. >> reporter: officials tell cnn baghdadi's days are numbered,
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but tonight he remains elusive. how good is he at evading detection? >> he takes it to a whole new level if you look at the way he approaches operational security. the amount of information that we have about him compared to somebody like bin laden is much thinner. >> the rumors that this is the guy who used to cover his face, even when meeting with some of his own people, someone who took extraordinary precautions when it came to his own security. >> reporter: and that likely also applies to how baghdadi communicates. tonight, a u.s. intelligence official tells cnn baghdadi and his lieutenants understand that any level of communication they use beyond couriers and face-to-face interaction makes them vulnerable to being killed. wolf? >> thanks, brian, very much. breaking news, rudy giuliani is out of the running for secretary of state. who is left on donald trump's
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happening now, breaking news. giuliani out. the former new york mayor no longer in the running to become secretary of state. stand by for new intrigue in the race to lead the state department. one contender's prospects are rising tonight. suggesting fraud. donald trump back on the stump talking again about his concerns that voting might have been rigged. i'll ask the head of the naacp for his take on that, as well as the president-elect's stunning reversal of his opinion of president obama. punishing

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