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taking over agencies he will oversee soon as commander-in-chief. the agency may believe hackers intervened with the election with the specific intent of helping donald trump win. those intelligence agencies are not saying, though, that it swayed the election. russia, for its part, is saying where is the evidence? and here's what trump's transition team put out in a statement last night. quote, these are the same people that said saddam hussein had had weapons of mass destruction. the election ended a long time ago and one of the biggest electoral college victories in history. it's now time to move on and make america great again. the cia is not commenting. trump's assertion that the intelligence team of today is the same as 13 years ago when they had the faulty wmd intelligence, that's not true. ryan nobles is live with more. i understand, ryan, that you just spoke with senator john mccain, who is also there. and specifically, when it comes to russia, you asked him about
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the man who is now leading on donald trump's list for secretary of state, that is exxonmobil ceo, rex tillerson. what did mccain say? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, poppy. you know, our sources are telling us that tillerson is right now at the top of the list for president-elect trump. and senator mccain told me that concerns him. because of tillerson close ties to the russian government. as the ceo of exxonmobil, he negotiated a big deal with the largest oil company in russia, of which the russian government is its top investor. and senator mccain says he wants to know where tillerson stands as it relates to russia's role in the world before he gives him his support in confirmation. take a listen to what mccain told me. >> i have obviously concerns of reports of his relationship with vladimir putin, who is a thug and a murderer. but that's the -- we will have hearings, and that issue and other issues concerning him will be examined, and then that's the
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time to make up your mind as to whether to vote yes or no. >> so what kind of questions would you ask rex tillerson that would make you feel comfortable about him in a role like that? >> his view of vladimir putin and his role in the world, and, for example, the fact that boris them sfof was murdered on therds, i believe of vad in the shadow of the kremlin. >> i asked senator mccain ifs he has concerns broadly about how the president-elect feels about russia and how he'll interact with russia and he says he will wait and see until president-elect trump actually takes office and said ease very happy with his pick for secretary of defense in general james mattis and how mattis views the relationship with russia. this is something that obviously mccain is concerned about but wants to see what happens in these confirmation hearings before making his final decision. >> and we don't know who the pick is going to be yet. but i do have some brand-new reporting that sheds some light
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on this. from our john king. let me read it to you in full. john king just reporting now that rex tillerson has told the president-elect that he would be honored to have the job of secretary of state. he said this as he left the meeting of the two of the men had today at trump tower. and he left that meeting, john king reports, believing he will be the pick. this is according to two sources familiar with his thinking. one of those sources telling our john king tillerson was told the president-elect will formalize his choice next week, in line with what the trump transition team said today. both sources telling our john king that, you know, they did not use their names. this was given on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the issue with their names. but, again, the headline there, rex tillerson left this meeting believing he's going to be the pick. i understand, ryan, that trump just gave an interview to chris
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wallace at fox news. what's the highlight from that? >> reporter: yeah, well, wallace asked donald trump what he likes about rex tillerson, and it's interesting that a lot of the criticisms, perhaps, that tillerson has received over the past 48 hours about his possible nomination are things that trump seems to view as strengths. listen to what he told chris wallace. >> let me ask you about rex tillerson. >> okay. >> head of exxonmobil. why does a business executive make sense as the chief diplomat? >> in his case, he's much more than a diplomat. he's a world-class player. he's in charge of, i guess the largest company in the world. he's in charge of a -- an oil company that's pretty much double the size of his next nearest competitor. it's been a company that's been unbelievably managed. and to me, a great advantage is he knows many of the players. and he knows them well. he does massive deals in russia.
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he does massive deals for the company. not for himself, but the company. >> reporter: so you see there, donald trump saying those close ties to russia are actually an attribute. the polar opposite of what john mccain told us just a few hours ago. so poppy, this just shows us, we are in for quite a rocky road in terms of the confirmation process if it ends up being tillerson, because donald trump clearly behind him, and there are others who have serious concerns. >> we'll be watching it all again. the trump team saying no official announcement until next week. thank you very much, ryan nobles. we appreciate it. let's talk about all of this with my panel. buck sexton, voted for donald trump. kim dozer, cnn global affairs analyst and contributing writer for the daily beast. let me get your take on this, buck, what trump just said to chris wallace about if he picks rex tillerson. he said a great advantage is that he knows many of the players and he knows them well.
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he does massive deals in russia. okay. given the relationship and the strains between shall i say the united states and russia, is that an advantage? or should that be something the american people should be concerned about that he has a pretty friendly relationship with russia and vladimir putin? >> well, i think it's fascinating we have come out of eight years of an administration that has specifically reached out to some of the biggest strategic foes the united states has, some of the long-standing enemies we have around the world, including cuba and iran with a much more open hand than many thought was wise in the process. and now that it comes to russia, the idea that we have somebody who has a deep understanding of russia and friendly ties with russia as a bad thing to me seems quite strange. if we want better relations with russia, we should probably have somebody who has an understanding how the kremlin works, how putin thinks. he obviously is the russian government. he is the one making all of the major decisions and so it makes
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sense to me you would have somebody who also has a tremendous business background, who isn't a life-long bureaucrat. these would strike me as strengths. but it's not official. >> if he is picked, he would be the first secretary of state without government experience. and he has all of these long-standing relationships with world leaders. which something clearly trump sees as an advantage. we were looking at kimberly dozier, he got an order of friendship from them. where do you fall on this? is buck right? is it helpful to, you know, where the united states and russia go moving forward to have a relationship like this? or is it too chummy? >> well, we have to remember, the u.s. has had warm relations with russia in the past. even the obama administration had been able to work with them to remove weapons of mass destruction from syria. and also behind the scenes, work with them on things like reducing the nuclear stockpiles.
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now, right now it's been a more rocky relationship and trump advisers i have spoken to say sta stay tuned, it's not going to be all friendly. but we're trying to make overtures so that they see that we want to do business with them. while we're also increasing our military strength in the come coming years, and so we'll have a two-pronged approach. the hand of friendship, but also a signal that we will firmly stand against them if they try to treat us like a pushover, as some trump officials believe the obama administration has been treated at the hands of putin. >> buck lindsey graham, tweeting the following. quote, i'm not challenging the outcome of the election, but am concerned about russian interference at home and throughout the world. don't have to be sherlock homes to figure out what russia is up to. they're trying to undermine democracies all around the world. is lindsay graham in part at least correct? >> i many, it's an exaggerated.
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but the point about russia interfering in the u.s. election seems to be true. i think people have thought this for a long time. this isn't new. what's new is that there is now a secret report that is being reported on by anonymous officials from inside the intelligence community that allegedly says that they have more solid evidence that it ties directly to the russian government. people have known this for quite a while now. there's been russia interference. people thought this was the case with the hacked e-mails. and, yeah, russia is pursuing an aggressive foreign policy. >> i guess what i'm asking is, should the president-elect be more outraged by it? right? because he said in a statement, his team said it's time to move on. >> i don't think he should be more outraged by it. because i think he recognizes between the huge amount of attention paid to fake news recently, the amount of attention that we have been told should be put on this e-mail hacking business with podesta, the fbi director coming out and saying that hillary's e-mails were once again being looked at. these are all excuses that we keep returning to or rather we're forced to return to by much of the immediate as a
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reason why hillary clinton lost the election. is it bad that russia interferes in our election, absolutely. did it change the outcome of the election? definitely -- there's almost no way it changed the outcome of the election. >> let's set that aside, right? because there is no evidence that it impacted the outcome. >> none. absolutely no evidence. >> but there is evidence that vladimir putin and russia had its hand on the scale in an attempt to. >> i don't know that putin did, but there is evidence that -- there are officials saying there is a still secret report they're commenting on to to the press that says there are russians involved. >> do you believe that the republicans and democrats should be equally outraged that a -- an aggressive foreign actor would try to mettle in american democracy? >> yeah, i think there should be a bipartisan consensus we don't want foreign entities influencing the election at all. but it meets the context of it didn't change the outcome of the election and russia has been engaged in these kinds of
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activities. and many other countries decide they're going to publicly endorse one candidate or another in foreign elections. there is a russian cable propaganda that goes in english language to try to influence us. >> there is. kimberly dozier, why should americans care about this as we look ahead at, you know, cyber warfare? >> because many members of the intelligence community i have spoken to, both current and former, have said they're really concerned that the incoming president doesn't trust them. yes, some members of the intelligence community believe that russia tried to hack these elections, while other members did not. but the director of national intelligence said the majority opinion was russia was out to throw this election, and there's real concern that the president-elect haven't want to hear that. >> buck sexton, kimberly dozier. what happens when a president-elect takes aim at his own intelligence agencies? we'll debate it, straight ahead.
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new details just into cnn about president-elect donald trump's search for a secretary of state. sources are telling our john king that exxonmobil, ceo rex tillerson told trump he would be honored to become secretary of state. and that he left the meeting with trump today believing that he will be the pick. the trump team not confirming that and saying in an announcement won't come before next week. this comes amid reports of the cia has concluded that russian hackers intervened in the election with the purpose of trying to help donald trump win, though there is not evidence that it actually swayed the election. and now trump is taking on the cia, trump's transition team releasing a statement, which reads," these are the same people who said saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction. the election ended a long time
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ago and one of the biggest electoral colleges in history. it's now time to move on and make america great again." the cia is not commenting. let's talk about our -- all of this with the historian and professor of princeton. andre bauer voted for donald trump, a republican and former lieutenant governor of south carolina. and loni chen, former public policy director. thank you very much for being here. as we just reported, also, as you know, julian, senator john mccain says he has concerns about tillerson if he is, indeed, the nominee, because of his connections to russia. and russia's president, vladimir putin. we've never seen someone serve as secretary of state with no government experience. walk us through sort of the history of this. of relationships that former secretary of states have had perhaps before serving with leaders of other countries, especially ones with this tenuous relationship as united states and russia have right now. >> well, look, we have had many
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people start in the law and then have different degrees of foreign service as they move their way up. this is a very close connection, not just interacting with a leader from another country, but obviously a leader who is now front and center in a potential scandal involving hacking this election. it reminds me a little bit in terms of the cia part of this, of richard nixon, who didn't trust a lot of the bureaucracy and came into office saying he was going to be removed from them. but this is an unusual secretary of state pick that we're talking about. >> if it is indeed the pick, we just don't know yet. but andre, i think that julian brings up an important point. as of -- as someone who voted for donald trump, a big supporter of his, does it concern you at all that he clearly has reservations about the voracity of the reporting from our own intelligence agencies? >> it doesn't concern me, because like most americans, there are lots of things the government has told me over the years that i have questioned. i think a lot of thinking people
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don't always take everything at face value. i mean, i still don't believe one bullet killed john kennedy and shot john conley, as well, went through the seat. >> but are you on the same team? isn't the president on the same team as his intelligence agencies? and if you have questions or concerns about the voracity of the intelligence, is it wise to make those known in private? >> his team will be in place when he takes office. and we'll have a new cia director. and that will be his team. that will be the person he has entrusted to listen to for information and intelligence. not the current team in place. >> that's a lot of the staff remains the same. lonnie, jump in here. >> yeah, look. i think as andre said, i do think the president-elect is going to put in his own team. congressman pompeo is going to be a terrific director of the cia. i think institutionally is it important to address this all with some degree of reservation and sobriety. i can understand having some
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doubts about what the intelligence is saying. i can even understand having some doubts about what the assessment is. i do think at the end of the day, though, it is important to treat these institutions with a little bit of greater amount of sobriety and respect, perhaps, because these people are going to be shoulder to shoulder with the president-elect and his team as they attempt to fight this war on terror here at home and around the world. >> julian, if rex tillerson is the pick, again, he would be a first, right, in terms of not serving in government before, which donald trump just said in this interview with chris wallace was an asset, the fact that he, as donald trump put it, has the advantage that he knows many of the players, meaning many of the global leaders, he knows them well, has done massive business deals with russia. that's what donald trump is saying. should the american people be concerned about conflicts of interest when -- you know, even if he would have to obviously, you know, sell all of his shares, et cetera, and have no
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personal gain in any future moves of exxon within russia. should that be of concern to the american people? >> it should be of concern. there is a lot of concern about president-elect trump, because of his own business holdings. and simply how he thinks of conflict of interest. we assume there would be stringent divestment taking place if he is the secretary of state. we don't know that. but it's going to worry people. >> there would be. there would have to be. >> right. it's going to worry people that there's not much experience in terms of dim diplomacy and will raise concerns about having someone from an energy company running state. with the deputy also let's remember might be john bolton, someone extraordinarily hawkish and will cause his own set of controversies. so i think there will be a lot of room on capitol hill to worry about this, and add to that the
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putin relationship which is going to be on the minds of people like senator mccain. >> andre, i assume you disagree with that? >> not totally. i do think diplomacy is something that -- you don't have to be in politics to have diplomacy. i came from a business background before i served in the legislature. so the business dealings he's done over the years i think give him plenty of opportunity to learn diplomacy without serving in public office. i do think that he is correct in the fact that there are people that have, you know, apprehensions about someone just going in there. that's why we have a vetting process, united states senate will do an excellent job of vetting him. john mccain has talked about it, and i think that gives us all a little bit of more certainty after he's gone through that process. >> andre bauer, lonnie chen, thank you very much. we have breaking news out of turkey and it's tan buhl. an attack there, two explosions. tonight at least 20 people have been wounded. details after the break. you're live in the "cnn newsroom."
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we are following breaking news tonight out of istanbul, turkey. two large explosions shook the center of the city just a short time ago. this is central istanbul after a soccer match at a huge sports stadium. look at the moment of one of the explosions.
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>> total shock. >> witnesses say to separate explosions detonated outside of the stadium. a large one and then a smaller one. we know at least 20 people are reported injured. we do not yet have official confirmation on casualties. turkey tonight reporting the police officers were the apparent target of the attack. turkey's interior minister is quoted as saying a suicide bomber carried out at least one of those attacks and was behind one of the explosions. no claim yet on responsibility. of course, this is all still developing. we'll bring the very latest as soon as we have it. coming up next, news that donald trump saved jobs, hundreds of them at indiana's carrier manufacturing plant is bittersweet for some 300 workers. just a mile down the road. the union rep says the announcement was sudden.
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the news that president-elect donald trump saved hundreds of jobs at a carrier plant in indiana was bittersweet for employees at a neighboring company. just one mile from carrier's indianapolis plant where donald trump cut a deal to save 800 jobs. hundreds of other workers are on the verge of losing theirs. rexnord planning to move 300 jobs from indiana down to mexico. and shut the plant completely. donald trump saying, rexnord of indiana is moving to mexico and rather viciously firing all of its 300 workers, this is happening all over our country. no more. our martin savidge spoke with rexnord workers about their precarious situation. >> reporter: as they celebrated saving hundreds of jobs inside
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the carrier plant, i sat at josh's kitchen table. he's a long-time worker at a company down the street, called rexnord. you happy for them? >> yeah, i'm totally psyched. and i'm happy for my community. >> reporter: he just wishes someone would save his job too. that's because rexnord announced six weeks ago, it was leaving. relocating its indianapolis operation to mexico. taking 300 well-paying jobs with it. at the local union hall, john feltner remembers when the bad news broke. >> he says, we have a meeting at 2:30 on the back dock. come to find out, they actually split the plant. half the plant went up to the front dock, the other half went to the back dock. and this just came out and said we're closing. >> reporter: rexnord has had a plant on the west side of indianapolis since the 1950s. don zeroing worked there for 43 years. >> it's not 300. it's at least three or four people per family.
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you're talking 12, 15, 1,800 people. >> reporter: ironically, tim matthews ended up at rexnord after the last factory he was at closed. >> it's rough. so, yeah, i was actually hoping i wouldn't have to go through it again. >> reporter: carrier had planned to phase its shutdown over three years. rec in order workers say they have six months. now they watch president-elect trump come to town and save carrier. and they're happy. >> but isn't there a part that says, what about me? >> sure, you bet there is. there is a part that says, what about me. >> reporter: shartser is married with six kids. they already started to cutting back and he thinks of all he missed working those 12-hour shifts to provide what he calls his nice, middle-class home. >> it's nothing to brag about but nice enough for us. >> reporter: he put some money into a retirement fund and bought his wife their first new car, a minivan. >> >> my first payment was due that friday they announced. >> reporter: he's glad to hear about carrier, especially
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because he never thought it could happen. does that give you hope? >> no. it's a different situation. it's -- comparing apples to oranges. >> reporter: for starters, rexnord wasn't a campaign issue. it's not a household name like carrier. and it doesn't have a parent company that does billions of dollars in defense contracts. >> we don't have a parent company that has 10% of their revenue and federal contracts. >> reporter: do you think that matters? >> oh, yeah, it matters. yeah. >> reporter: you think it mattered in this case? >> oh, yeah, 100%. >> martin savidge, thank you very much for that reporting. let's talk more about this with john feltner, vice president of rexnord's union, and also a machinist in indianapolis. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, poppy. >> you are putting two kids through college right now. and marty's piece just talked about the good-paying jobs.
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these are jobs i've seen firsthand across the rust belt. the average wage, 25 bucks an hour. you voted for donald trump. you put your hope in him. do you think that he is going to save your job? >> save my job? probably not. nothing has been said. we appreciate the tweet of him getting our rexnord plant out, saying that they viciously fired 300 people. but as far as saving the jobs, our jobs are slated to go to mexico. >> yeah, but he saved the carrier jobs, right? >> i understand. if you listen to that piece before, if you talk to josh, they have got a lot of defense contracts. i'm sure that was a heavy factor in that job. now, on the same hand, he didn't save all of the jobs at carrier. so those are the jobs that we're still fighting along with, along with ours. >> so let's talk about that. because you're right. i mean, there are still 500-plus jobs going to mexico. >> absolutely. >> and trump tweeted about this deal, quote, if united steel
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workers, 1999, was any good, they would have kept those jobs in indiana, spending more time working, less time talking, reduce dues. if you could sit down with the president-elect, what would you say to him? >> i would ask him what he meant by that quote. reduce dues and work more, talk less? i don't think he understands what we do there. we were representing those people. regardless, when it first broke -- when the carrier story first broke, the numbers were 1,400 people going to mexico. those are our members. absolutely, we're going to fight for them. he come in, and worked some kind of deal out, and said that we're saving 100. that's great, ecstatic. we've still got 500 going. so those are the people we're continuing to fight for. as well as rexnord. and we're fighting for htc up in -- the ones up in huntington. >> let's listen to -- talking about that number of jobs, let's listen to what one of the employees of carrier whose job
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was saved, tj brae, what he said to my colleague, kate bolduan, this week. >> sure. >> president-elect trump came in and said it was 1,100 jobs. we find out, sat with the company the day before yesterday and we find out it's actually only 750, actually union production jobs that will be staying. so trump kind of added in the 400 r & d and engineering jobs already slated to stay. so we're kind of disappointed that we're losing 550 actual union jobs. >> do you feel lied to? >> well, in a way -- we do. i mean, we feel like, you know, we thought you were going to save all of the jobs. >> thought you were going to save all of the jobs. do you feel misled by the president-elect on the number of jobs actually saved? what was, you know, put out there publicly by his team, and what the reality is? >> i mean, when he said 1,100,
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they should have been 1,100. not 750. like -- again, the people that we represent, we jumped into this fight when there was, you know, all the jobs going out. and nothing has changed. there are still people losing their jobs, we're still fighting. >> let me ask you a bigger picture question, before i let you go. there is no way that any administration can come in and deal with every single company outsourcing their jobs one by one. it's just not feasible. however, you can change policy, right? and that is something that is expected to be done with tax reform, et cetera. what would you -- what is the number one thing you would like to see the incoming administration do, that you think will help people in your situation? because, you know, donald trump points to global trade as being the reason that your jobs are going away. that's not all of it. a lot of it is, as you know well, automation and technology. so given those two realities, what do you want to see happen that you think would help you
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and people in your situation? >> well, you know, that's a good question. i'm thinking that the trade policies would be a good idea. again, when he was talking earlier, the quote that he said that it was due to the unions and high dues. again, i don't know what that quote was about. but trade policies would be a big help for us. these companies are leaving to exploit cheap labor. that's plain and simple. if he can change those trade policies to keep those jobs here in america, that's what we need. we need american jobs, not just union jobs. >> won't save all of them, because of automation, because of technology? is there something else that can be done? >> how are you going to stop automation? that -- you know. i don't know how you stop that or even if we wanted to stop it. but the fact is, even with automation, we have got to have people behind those -- behind that automation making that go.
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>> john feltner, please keep us posted. we're thinking about all of you and all of your families. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much, poppy. >> of course. up next, american opportunity. boosting paid family leave has become a standard in silicon valley. now it is spreading across the country. this is about new moms, new dads. the fight for paid leave, ahead. and does it make good business sense? you're live in the "cnn newsroom." my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry,
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this will week's american opportunity, the new ceo of deloitte not only shattered a glass ceiling by taking the helm as first woman, also shaking things up when it comes to paid family leave for new moms and new dads. we're seeing this happen across america right now. i sat down with deloitte's ceo, cathy engelberg, to ask her why and if it makes business sense. you were the first woman ever to be named ceo of a big for professional services firm. you've been in the job now for a little while. when did it really strike you? >> it struck me basically on week one, because of the outpouring of letters and e-mails and calls from people saying they were inspired by something, and for me, it was about the outcome of an inclusive culture we had at
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deloitte. for them, it was inspiring that i became that first woman ceo. >> but you've also said that you're a little bit uncomfortable with all of the attention you got, because of it. sort of breaking through that proverbial glass ceiling. what's uncomfortable about it? >> i guess it was uncomfortable, because i didn't think this was a big deal, because i had 29 years -- actually, 30 years with deloitte. for me, i said, oh, this is not that i aspired to be the ceo. but i aspired to be a leader. so for me, it's uncomfortable to have attention on me, because i worked there for 29 years before ascending to this title called c ceo and that's what's uncomfortable. >> >> i wonder if it's because you are a woman first in your sector. >> i think it's not so much pressure, but it's definitely you're being wapd more, i think. you're being watched for every move you make. watch how you build relationships. you're being watched on how you balance family and life. so i do think you get watched more. i often take a look at the landscape of women who raise their hand for different roles,
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and our organization or others. and the numbers aren't there for that. and that's what we need to progress more on. >> deloitte just made a big step in instituting 16 weeks, four months of paid family leave for all your employees, men and women. this isn't just parental leave, caring for a sick relative, elderly parent. up to 24 weeks of maternity leave for mothers. that's a lot. >> yes. >> it's a huge shift, and i'm wondering why it came now. >> it came now because the first thing we have been looking at is the life cycle of our employees' well-being. we have a multigenerational work force. we're trying to innovate around talent and this is something we consider innovative. >> it's also what people said they would rather have, right? i mean, you guys studied this. 50% said they would rather have more parental leave than -- >> a pay raise. >> is that for real? >> that is for real. so if you think about the millennial population and we are a big organization of millennials, purpose over
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profits, triple bottom line, not just the financial side. it actually makes a lot of sense. if you ask 50% of the work force what they -- would they prefer that over a pay raise, they are saying yes. >> is that more women saying that? that they want more parental leave, or are men equally saying that? >> interestingly, it was not gender-base and had i will tell you the outpouring of letters that i've received in e-mails from our announcement of this has been from men and women equally. men have an opportunity now to take up to 16 weeks. and some men, lgbt men, say, oh, i was going to adopt and now i actually can take the time off with our new child, as well. >> here's the thing. it's one thing to give this leave, like 16 weeks parental leave to men or women. it's another thing to actually get them to take it. >> i think that's a really important point. we have not had men take leave for long periods of time. so this is the first offer of paid leave. and i think we really need some role models. i had one of our new partners come to me and say, i have a child who is autistic.
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i really want to take this time off. and i said, you need to take it off, because we need you as a role model. so i do -- >> is he? >> yes, absolutely. >> was it a hard sell to the board? >> certainly a hard sell broadly to -- because we're a partnership. you have different opinions about whether we needed to do this. but, be again, as we think about a multigenerational work force, i think this was something we had to do. i think ultimately, because as you know, it's a political issue, it's a public policy issue. and eventually, we wanted to be leading. and this is our innovation. you know, again, we invest in r & d. >> it's around talent. that's what this was. >> what about people that have hourly jobs, not salary jobs, that work for fast food restaurants, et cetera. so they don't benefit from a company like yours that is going to institute it. and they rely on the government stepping in to do this. the united states is the only industrialized country that doesn't have paid leave. so should the government mandate it in some capacity? >> i think that for those smaller companies, for instance,
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that have a high percentage of hourly workers, there are other programs, i think, that can be put in place around flexibility and predictability to have somewhat of the same outcome and maybe it's not such a long leave. but give some peace of mind they can take care of their families when they do. >> so are you saying you don't think there should be government mandated paid leave? >> i don't. i think that companies need to find programs and policies tailored to their work force. >> i think the problem with that is, if it isn't government-funded, government-mandated, then how do you convince companies to do it? because up until this point, a lot of companies don't, because they don't have to in this country. >> yes, and i think the conversation constantly -- we need to bring the conversation into the board, and executive room. companies do need to feel the pressure. when you look at the analysis, while there is cost, you look at the enormous benefits of the peace of mind and the productivity of our american worker that i think is much more powerful than having the
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government hand it. there's lots of different policies and programs and i don't think the government can mandate all of them at one time. >> do you think this change would have been instituted at deloitte if you were not the ceo, and if you were not female were not female? >> so i think it would have happened because of the inclusive culture we have. with the speed, not sure, but i start to sense the marketplace, innovation and talent and i really wanted the message to be on leave. >> how much of this for you is personal because i read that your former employer back in the '90s, someone asked you, why come back after maternity leave? why not just rely on your husband? >> did that really happen? >> yes, that really happened many an era where it was probably a question that was being asked. >> not that long ago. >> not that long ago. but clearly, we've come a long way, clearly, i think, the parental responsibilities have shifted enormously since my
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mother and father. >> what was your reaction to that? >> i appreciate your perspective but i've always wanted to be a career mom. i think i can balance it and i ended up becoming very good friends with this person in the end and proving him wrong. yeah. >> proving him wrong indeed. thank you so much for that. much more at cnnmoney.com/americanopportunity . a quick break, we'll be right back.
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