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this is cnn tonight, i'm don lem manhattan. the president-elect chooses his secretary of state with ties to vladimir putin. he calls u.s. intelligence on russia hacking of the election ridiculous but is it part of donald trump's plan? plus talking about your celebty -- celebrity apprentice, trump says he and kanye west have been
friends for a long time. but will kanye's star pow er hp him in black america? >> reporter: donald trump praised tillerson's contacts around the world but didn't mention his past ties to vladimir putin. trump turned back to the election thanking his biggest backers, including speaker ryan. >> speaker paul ryan, i've -- [ boos ] no, i've come to appreciate him. speaker paul ryan. where is the speaker? s where he? he has been terrific honestly he's like a fine wine. everyday goes by i get too appreciate his genius more and more. if he ever goes against me i'm not going to say that.
he's a great guy and we have some amazing things in store and we're going to work on taxes, obamacare, we'll work on things, he'll lead the way so thank you. >> reporter: even though it's been more than a month since he was elected president, trump could not resist taking one more swipe at hillary clinton asking this crowd in wisconsin if anybody remembers her name. don? >> jim acosta, thank you very much. i want to bring in john avlon and margaret hoover but first i want to play a clip of donald trump from his rally in wisconsin. he was having fun at the expense of hillary clinton and the media ridiculing clinton campaign for having fireworks ready on election night. >> in the history of elections, if you lose you don't set off fireworks, right? so they canceled their beautiful fireworks and i wanted to be a wise guy so i offered them five cents on the dollar for their
fireworks. [ laughter ] i did. >> he spent about 20 minutes -- i know it's fun, he's revved up by the crowd, crowing about his election victory. should he be looking ahead now? he won. >> yeah, look, there's a lot to focus on that's reality based. he's a charming guy. some folks would say he can slide into insult comment mode but there's real governing to do. wisconsin, he should thank them. that strategy got him over the top. but there's the picking of the cabinet. there's the picking of policy and the reality that this is not a guy who has a background in governing and policy and politics. he pulled off an amazing election victory but he should be looking forward and bearing down to the seriousness of the moment. >> that kind of jockeying, to be clear, a lot of the energy and the crowd and the feedback, he plays on it but it gives him energy and he hasn't had that since the campaign was over. so i think there is something to getting back in front of the folks. >> it's been almost two weeks
he's been getting his fix of that. >> but and there in between busy and important meetings with people like kanye west. >> i think he enjoys this more than a policy briefing. >> touche. thank you very much. can i get your take on rex tillerson as secretary of state? right man for the job, margaret? >> i think there's a lot of questions we need to see him answer and understand how he thinks about russia. it's very easy for people to say he's too close to russia. my husband is laughing. he is one of those people -- incidentally, we're married, this person i'm disagreeing with on most of these points here. he deserves a fair hearing, he is a global -- a ceo of a global multinational company that does bilateral deals with many heads of state. he actually -- you can make a strong argument he is somebody who understands diplomacy even if it had been from the point of a businessman with the interest of his shareholders at stake.
his share how woulders are the american people so you needed to have the confidence he's going to slide into a position where he's looking out for the american people's interests now rather than his shareholders. >> so you have concerns? >> i have no problem with him being a businessman. >> fareed zakaria said that doesn't preclude him from being -- >> not at all. especially in an area where there's international business and he's done admirable things like copped to global warming being a real thing which the candidate, president-elect hasn't done even as head of exxon. which what i think demands answers is the fact that this appointment comes days after a reescalation of serious serious questions about rush influence on the election. and the fact that this individual has been given the highest civilian award by vladimir putin cannot be dismissed as incidental or curio or sideshow. if vladimir putin keeps having good days with appointments and victories, that's usually not a good sign for the united states.
it's not dispositive but there are questions that need to be answered because the happiest person with this kind of an appointment, this is not a russia hawk, this is someone who has a personal relationship with decades over vladimir putin who is not an ally of the united states. >> you know why? because he has brought enormous amount of resources. >> private bank accounts held by vladimir putin. maybe, but -- i'm joking but not joking. >> you understand the point i was trying to make which is that who had leverage in that deal? exxon had leverage over putin. putin wanted their investment because why? that helps his electoral prospects. >> margaret, even john mccain, lindsey graham, marco rubio, said they're not on board. >> they say there are serious questions he has to answer. any discerning person could agree with that. >> but part of the topsy you are the say are nation of this cycle is that if a democratic
president-elect was accused of influencing russia then nominated the secretary of state vladimir putin people would be screaming bloody murder for good reas reason. >> well, you know what -- >> this is my question to her. >> this is our dinner table at night. that is -- that is true. what you have to do though is, the president-elect has a certain amount of grace period going into this nomination and the left will have to focus their fire on one of them if they want a scalp. they can't broadly say "we're against everyone he's for." the real question is are they going to accompany appointment like this with pulling down sanctions in have been in place in russia since the invasion of crimea? if they do that in coordination with this, there's something wrong. >> not everyone because i think democrats are on board with mattis. >> mattis is a great pick across the board. >> it's not just --
>> do you think by picking people like this and others that this is draining the swamp what he ran on? >> what's interesting -- i see sort of two kinds of -- >> when you hear "what's interesting" instead of yes. >> yeah, that's good. picking up on that tell there. >> to answer that question, is this draining the swamp? riks tillerson absolutely fits the sort of -- the thesis i think donald trump laid out to his supporters that he was going to bring people from outside who had never been part of government who will have a fresh view of things and won't pay lobbyists, this fits the profile of draining the swamp. then he has another profile that -- >> he's stocking it with a different kind of alligator. >> you're laughing at everything i say. >> someone said he's replacing a shark with an alligator. >> sure. this is not draining the swamp. look, goldman sachs is back in pole position in a lot of major economic positions despite a lot of anti-wall street rhetoric. it's not like wall street is
being punished. we'll see what happens with policy. i think there is a -- look, there's always been a core irony at the prospect of a billionaire populist running for president but for white working class folks who voted for him thinking they were going to stick it to the man, they got a whole bunch of more people who are plutocrats in office. some may be reformers and we'll see what they can do. betsy devos has a record on school choice, you can disagree or agree with that policy, i happen to agree with it. but it's a much more monochrome cabinet of a high net worth background with a couple of exceptions. >> and other things as well. by the way, don't send me anything on social media. i know sharks aren't in swamps, i'm from louisiana. one is fresh water, one is salt water. >> even i didn't know that. >> this is the first time since 1989 the four most influential people, posts in this cabinet, have been all white males. he's promising to make america great again. what does that greatness look like? >> okay. here's one observation as a
republican who would prefer and would like for the republican party to really reflect america better ethnically and that cabinet looks like the republican party. that cab it? a lot of white men, a couple women and one or two minorities. and sadly that's what the republican party looks like. >> people at home would say that cabinet looks like a lot of corporate america because these are a lot of corporate folks in there. >> but w made conscious great strides, i think, to diversify his cabinet. >> condoleezza rice. >> right, colin powell, condoleezza rice, and many others. >> elaine chao. >> and the fact that, you know ben carson is put in hud echos the samuel pierce in the reagan administration doesn't reflect the diversity of america and i think margaret is copping to an important point. but one of the benefits that president-elect donald trump could have is that he's not as encumbered by the party apparatus but he's defaulting to folks that don't really reflect the full diversity of america
and that will feel like a step back for folks for good reason. >> the interesting thing is -- and i wanted to get the names correct -- a lot of the people who he's chosen to lead these agencies have spoken out against the very agencies they've been chosen to lead. rick perry said the energy department should be eliminated. ben carson spoke out against public housing initiatives at housing and urban development. his pick for epa fought against their regulations as well. are these agencies going to be gutted? . look, the kind of individuals that have spoken out against agencies but then say yes they would be happy to run one and what comes to my mind as a veteran of the bush administration is john bolton who wyss a strong opponent of the u.n. but went to be u.n. ambassador. >> he found he couldn't take floors off the building. >> could i finishly point. >> just say yes, dear. >> you get reform-minded individual in place who end up to the less happiness codifying the necessity of that institution but then reforming
how it does its business and that is the very high hope that i have for betsy devos, i have that for tom price, i have that for ben carson, i have that for rick perry. >> but look reform is great, outsider perspective can be helpful. sometimes bureaucracy by definition resist change but when you get people in place who have a demonstrate aid general da that is hostile to the mission, a nominee who has sued the epa 13 times, who is a climate change denier, that not only sends a chilling message in terms of policies that there is no mandate to reverse, that is actually about more hostility to ideas that are largely scientific consensus. that is dangerous, it sends a chilling message, it's not about reform. it's about a -- something very different than reform. politics are often divided between radicals, reactionaries and reformers, those are reactionary policies in those cases. >> thank you, i know you have a lot to say. next time thank you margaret, thank you, john. when we come back, all roads
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donald trump is using exxonmobil's riks tillerson to be secretary of state. let's continue with jill doherty, a researcher at the international defense and security, a former cnn moscow chief and jonathan sanders, associate professor at stony brook university, a former moscow correspondent so they know a lot.
what do you think of this. >> i think it's a sign post that the united states's relationship with russia is going to be unprecedented in the nature of a -- completely transactional relationship. no more focus on human rights, democracy promotion, let's not kick up too much of a fuss about the invasion and annexation of sovereign your teen territory or what many are calling a near genocidal campaign in aleppo. this is a man who you mentioned in the earlier segment was awarded the order of friendship, one of the highest honors you could get by the russian federation. he was awarded it by vladimir putin. another person that was give than is the president of chechnya who likes to torture his victims personally. i think this is -- bodes very ill for anybody who thinks that the united states is going to pick a fight or try to contain or deter russian vanishing in europe. i've gone to europe over the last two years and repeated instances and talked to a lot of european officials who are
worried about this kind of thing. that america would return to a purely -- or actually adopt a more transactional relationship with the russian federation than even it had under obama. they would always fault obama with being perhaps too naive, too indifferent to america's relationship with russia which led to the so-called reset. i think what you'll see is a reset 2.0 that will make the first reset look like an act of aggression. >> jonathan i saw you disagreeing with the first part and agreeing with the second part about obama. what was that? >> well, first of all, we've elected a president in the united states who doesn't care about human rights, doesn't care about spreading freedom of speech, doesn't care about rights for gay people and in that he's with vladimir putin. but let's not get this cold war anti-russian hysteria ramped up in the man who's been nominated to be the secretary of state. if you think of the man who is most successful ever in the 20th
century in dealing with russia and the kremlin it was averell harryman. how did he start out in russia? he was a businessman. he had a manganese concession in the caucuses. who did he deal with in? trotsky and stalin. trotsky and stalin, compared to those two vladimir putin is a nice guy like don lemon or derek jeter. you know, the sad part is that -- >> this is the first time i've ever been compared to either of these two, but go on. >> well, you deserve it. i mean, look, it's sad that we're having someone who's going to run the state department whose entire goal in life has been to pump oil and make money, who doesn't care for people who are suffering, who isn't going to support independent organizations, who's not going to come out and say women's rights are human rights, none of that stuff but just because he's friends with putin and maybe
he's not friends, maybe he's friends with putin's best friend igor sechin who's much more dangerous than putin. that doesn't disqualify him. >> jill, we've spoken of trotsky, stalin. in 2016, who would have thunk? >> who would have thunk? i think there's exaggeration on a lot of sides here but what michael was getting into, which is this transactional nature is really important because this new administration is all about that, it's all about the deal and i feel, my personal idea is that so much of that region is not about the deal it's about russia's place in the world, protecting its borders and, granted, there's a big economic component but there are things that go beyond economic deals. and i think probably tillerson is a smart guy and i'm sure he
understands that. it's just that when he walks into this position right from the get-go, his actions can be interpreted as being good for the old company, exxonmobil, as opposed to good for the country. so he kind of has to switch his head and start thinking with issues like geopolitical things and human rights. everything that we've been talking about. he has to switch thinking. when you have a president who is that way, let's get a deal and then he's that way. but it could be this preponderance of ideas about economics and deals. >> i want to read this. this is what republican senator chuck grassley tweeted today. "both trump and tillerson need to know putin is machiavellian and gets rid of people who expose him as such. both bush and obama were hoodwinked." i think you spoke about that, michael, is the senator right? >> i think it's a historical
form that every president gets elected hoping to have a kind of rapprochement with moscow. i mean, george w. bush famously looked into vladimir putin's soul and left office as russia was invading georgia. obama is leaving office having inaugurated this reset policy in his first term with a campaign of extermination being perpetrated in aleppo that russia is not just a party to but is the vanguard actor in overseeing. so trump -- here's where i'm a little bit cautious to say that trump will be absolutely a kind of putin verstehier, as the germans like to say. he is so irascible and offended, the russians love to taunt whoever is in power in the united states government. this is a guy who pissed off by a tweet. can you imagine a former kgb
general like vladimir putin doing something to cross a guy like donald trump? how will donald trump react to that? i can see the pendulum swinging in the other direction. you broadcast him in the last segment or two segments ago saying all of a sudden he's chums with paul ryan but if paul ryan does anything to cross him, that's going to come to an end, too. that's exactly it. if putin doesn't play to donald trump's sense of narcissism, i think all bets are off. >> all right, everyone, stay with me. we've got more to talk about. i'll let you speak on the other side, jonathan. when we come back, we're going to discuss -- michael weiss referred to russia's role in syria's civil war. ious host, no matter who shows up. do you like nuts? i'ts your tv, take it with you. with directv and at&t, stream live tv anywhere data-free.
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tonight there's word the syrian government has taken control of the eastern part of aleppo. the besieged city at the center of syria's long civil war. that news is coming from russian officials who are backing the assad government in its battle with rebels. cnn has been told that a cease-fire has been reached allowing civilians to reach that part of the city. this follows days of intense fighting which has wounded or killed an unknown number of residents. so let's discuss, back with me michael weiss, jill doherty and jonathan sanders. there's a crisis in aleppo that has escalated. explain what's going on tonight and what the tie is to russia. >> so the syrian regime has retaken pretty much all of eastern aleppo. there might be pockets of resistance still left. i was on the phone with the head
of the consult tative council of the levant front. he told me there were six neighborhoods, all tight quarter s, that were held by opposition groups. the problem is all of the standing buildings in east aleppo, most have been destroyed by constant bombardment by the syrian and russian air force so it's like cramming people like sardines into cans and people end up out on the street with and when the syrian regime or russians drop bombs on the street in these urban terrain, it ends up cooking human beings alive. people have been burned alive in east aleppo. i've heard, credibly, from numerous sources, that women in east aleppo are so fearful of being raped by assad's death squads -- not just assad's death squads, mind you, don, iranian-built shi'a militias, iraqi shi'a militias that are now technically part of the iraqi government -- they're so fearful of being raped that they're committing suicide. so you talk to syria -- >> but that's a lot of loose
talk coming out of there. we don't know that. part of the twitter revolution is we get all kinds of rumors. that's not been confirmed. >> the united nations has confirmed that 80 people were killed, including women and children who as the united nations put it was shot where they stood. >> michael -- there's also -- >> that's not loose talk. >> jonathan, before you respond -- >> there's no united nations talk about women committing suicide. >> jonathan, i want you to respond but let me say this and i will give you time to respond. the u.n. high commissioner for human rights reported today that civilians, including women and children are being shot in their homes the. u.s. ambassador points a finger at syria but also russia and iran for propping up the assad government. russia says it's tired of the u.s.'s constant wailing. so respond to that but i wanted to get what the u.n. is saying and other officials are saying. >> right. i watched the whole security
council meeting and it was amazing and samantha power was righteous in her indignation saying there was no shame on the syrian side and the russian side. as far as we know, since the resumption of the campaign in eastern aleppo, it's russian munitions but not the russian air force, it's the syrians using barrel bombs, but there's a lot of confusion there, there's a fog of confusion at the end of -- a long, horrible war that looks like the end of stalingrad. the u.n. proved virtually like a eunuch, unable to do anything to stop this war. but it is going to stop in aleppo and the troops will be coming out of the city. we're very worried about the separation of men from women because people are fearful of a srebrenica situation but the news was delivered today by vitaly churkin that fighting had stopped and reporters on the scene said that the bombing had
stopped, the shelling had stopped and we're moving on to another scenario when president obama said he thought the russians when they started entering the war in 2015 were entering a quagmire, it turns out he was wrong. what they've entered so far is called a military victory. a brutalitarian victory, but that's their way. brutal tarynism has replaced totalitarianism. >> vitaly churkin also said the men and women and children you're seeing broadcast on cnn are actors being put up as stage craft by the syrian opposition. i don't take anything vitaly churkin says as credible whatsoever. everything i've heard that the other guest has said comes from kremlin talking points. the idea that russia has not been bombarding aleppo is a pure and utter lie. >> i got the memo from the
kremlin talking points -- >> one at a time. >> quite correct at laying the blame at the russian government which has done everything it can do not just to wage this campaign of extermination in east aleppo but to defame the victims by claiming they're lying about it. >> so michael, did you get the pentagon talking points before you came on if i got the kremlin talking points? that's like yesterday gorbachev said to the bbc correspondent steve rosenberg that there is -- orders have been going out to the western media, bbc, cnn and the "new york times" to destroy the reputation of vladimir putin. that's sfoolishness, neither side is pure or good here. >> jump in, jill. >> i think the russians had an objective and that was to rescue assad and the way the russians do that is by taking any action that they'll be they are justified in taking or maybe not
even justified that's necessary to take in order to get that objective. that's the way vladimir putin carried out the war in chechnya. it's a very brutal approach. it's a very kind of black and white, there's not a lot of grays in this so that's what they've been doing. it's primarily a chechen scenario and i think to bring it back to our incoming president, donald trump has made it clear that he supports a fight against terrorists and that's exactly what vladimir putin says. so you've already got the incoming american president on the side that vladimir putin that that is the big challenge, get rid of the terrorists, kill them. >> that's right, jill. >> and then he's also said he supports -- he could consider supporting assad. so i think if you boil it down to what could happen, i think president trump, my opinion, will probably say look it was
terrible, people died but the terrorists are defeated and that's what had to happen. so, again, you're going to have a pretty straight ahead transaction. >> the probablem with that assessment is the cia says the fall of east aleppo will continue and pose a terrorism threat to the united states. >> thank you jonathan, thank you, jill, thank you, michael. up next, a big surprise at trump tower when a surprise visitor drops by, guess who it is, yeezus. [vo] quickbooks introduces jeanette
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now this is a picture you probably thought you had -- you'd never see, right? maybe, who knows, kanye west meeting with donald trump at trump tower. here to discuss, cnn political commentator tara setmayer and cnn political commentator marc lamont hill. hi. >> and here we are. >> and scene. we'll be right back. everyone was surprised this morning, i guess, when kanye west arrived at trump tower for a meeting with donald trump. kanye didn't take questions from reporters and the purpose of the meeting isn't clear. so what do you make of it? >> so, i think that black
people, particularly young black people, have a love/hate thing with kanye. he seems to have devolved from the kanye who stood before us and said george bush doesn't care about black people. remember that kanye? today's kanye seems like a troubled soul and for a lot of us we were less concerned about these optics and what they don't mean and we're like, what are you doing, kanye? have a seat. get yourself together. he is just getting out of a mental institution. he is in crisis. >> he was in the hospital for issues, yeah. >> doesn't that say more about donald trump. the fact he took the meeting in the first place? we expect kanye west to behave and act out like that. he's notorious for it. president obama called him a jackass in 2009. we know kanye west is a
publicity hound and pulls these antics all the time but what the hell is the president-elect doing taking this meeting with kanye west when he has other things to do. this is the same guy who just said he doesn't need to do his presidential daily briefings because he's, like, a smart person but he has time to meet with kanye west? can you imagine if president obama had done something similar when he was president-elect? and met with jay-z among reports that said he was not taking his daily briefings because he's like a smart person. my fellow goppers would have had a conniption fit, they would have called dereliction of duty but it seems to be okay when it comes to donald trump. i can't take the hypocrisy. >> and i can't take that kanye took the meeting. >> when i saw this i thought are we really going to cover this. but go on, marc. >> the meeting itself i don't think is a problem. first of all president obama did meet with jay-z. >> it was a hypothetical.
>> but he did. >> i know but the point is -- >> she also said if he had mental issues and had just come out of -- but go on. >> well, let's be careful not to stigmatize people who go to mental health facilities for treatment because a lot of us have been -- >> that's precisely the point, right. >> so there's nothing wrong with being in a mental institution and meeting somebody and i understand that it was a hypothetical tara but what i'm saying is your hypothetical was counterfactual. you were saying if barack obama had done this it would have been a problem. he did do it and it wasn't a problem. jay-z rapped about it. so there's a way we stigmatize certain people and not others. if somebody meets with bono, nobody is tripping. now i don't like kanye's politics and i don't like the fact that said he didn't vote and if he had he would haven't voted for donald trump. i understand that but i don't think it's unreasonable for a president to spend 15 minutes to meeting with somebody. do i think it's unreasonable
he's -- >> sorry, i completely disagree with you, marc, on that. >> so do i. >> i completely disagree. donald trump is -- he has zero experience in government. he's in over his head and he's trying to figure it out because he didn't expect to win the presidency and every minute he's wasting on these photo-ops and this celebrity culture he just can't let go of it's time that he's not dedicating to things that matter to the american people. >> i disagree for a different reason. >> hold on, marc, hold on. listen i agree. i think he can meet with whomever he wants and no one is stigmatizing that. it's just saying maybe that's not the right place for him to be when he's in recovery. >> that's a different issue. >> that's not why i'm concerned. >> it's dangerous. >> that has been part of the issue here. >> let me submit this, though -- >> let me say this. donald trump, it's not that he doesn't have time for security briefings, he's said he's not
interested in having them. those are two different issues. >> and my issue inverts to where you guys are coming from entirely. why would kanye west allow donald trump to utilize him? if he is, in fact, supposed to be an extension of the black community, an extension of the youth community, an extension of those of us who stand in opposition to what donald trump fundamentally represents, why, particularly at a time that one would assume you're vulnerable yourself. >> he said he would have voted for donald trump. >> if he had voted at all. but this is my point about the larger issue about kanye himself. i'm more concerned about kanye west than i will ever be about donald trump. i'm concerned about what will happen under a donald trump presidency with regard to policies but as a human being i am concerned that kanye west found the time in his schedule to meet with donald trump for whatever reason. whatever they talked about
behind closed doors it seems to me that kanye himself is at such a place that the healing should be the primary piece for him. >> i agree with that point and that's where i agree with kierna. i ain't got a problem with -- >> did you just say i ain't got a problem live on cnn, marc? >> yes, he did. >> don't act surprised, don. my point is i agree. we're watching a certain meltdown and there's a certain celebrity culture that we have where we enjoy watching people melt down and like kierna i am concerned for kanye west and watching him get used by donald trump to say "this is my black friend, this is my cool friend, this is my celebrity friend." but going behind closed doors without the photo-op saying i want to make a set of demands from you is something a loath of folks do. maybe not kanye west. >> i think everyone if they had a chance to meet with the president-elect i think you should take the opportunity to meet and talk. >> let's stop acting like this was, like, some kind of innocent
i just want to meet with the president-elect because i'm such a giving person and i want to see how i can gave back to the country now. it was clearly a publicity stunt for both of them. yes for donald trump to say -- >> who do you think orchestrated it? >> either one of them, to be honest with you. >> who do we think orchestrated it? >> it could have been either one of them. >> kanye made the call from what i hear. >> that doesn't surprise me because he needed positive publicity after the fact that he just got checked into a mental hospital. let's not act like there are nefarious -- >> you think meeting with donald trump is positive publicity? >> we're talking about him now. he's such a narcissist he doesn't care. >> it ain't positive. >> how about he just needed publicity because when he was up there someone asked him and he said "i just want to take a picture." then this is what he tweeted about telling us why he requested this meeting. he said "i wanted to meet to discuss multicultural issues including bullying, supporting teachers, modernizing curriculums and violence in chicago, i feel it's important to have a direct line of communication with our future president if we truly want
change." >> that's nice somebody wrote that for him after the fact. he could have said that when he was standing in front of the camera. >> i don't know that somebody wrote that for him. >> come on. >> that does slightly read -- >> kanye can't write his own tweet. >> why didn't he say that at the time? >> at what time? you mean before -- >> now since it was public and he just said "i want to take a photo." why didn't he just say "i came here because i want to speak about multicultural issues, i'm concerned about chicago, blah blah blah." >> maybe he didn't do a presser. >> one thing we can say consistently about kanye in fairness is that he has always had political interest. it's been something about politics unto themselves that have intrigued him. he's threatened to do what donald trump did. we couldn't imagine that donald trump would become the president when he was playing around saying "i bet you i'll do that." but kanye has literally said i'm going to run for president so it's not as though there's a
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and we're back. donald trump made a lot of promises to black voters during the campaign. what happens now some back with me the panel. we're done with kanye right? mark, nfl legend jim brown stopped by trump tower today for meeting pegged as discussion about issues facing african-american community, voted for hillary clinton but he said this about trump. >> i fell in love with him because he really talks about helping african-american, black people. that's why i'm here. when he goes through what he went through to become the president, he got my admiration, because no one gave him a chance. >> mark what do you think? >> i love jim brown, saw him earlier on cnn. i dpt know what he had said. i would have asked. i'm stunned.
what he went through to be president is play on racial division, white supremacy and se ske xenophobia. i don't have admiration for donald trump and his process. no problem for saying we want to make demands but saying you fell in love with donald trump or his platform or campaign i think is disturbing. >> i agree. found it to be a little bit strange. like i fell in love with him. but when you think about donald trump is a very charismatic guy. he's a salesman. that's how he was able to win the presidency, that's what made him popular on "the apprentice." he has a charisma. people say that. praise you, compliment you, tell you everything you need to know. master of that. i'm sure jim brown and ray lewis
went in with great intentions. mentoring program, see the opportunity, he's the president. get funding or publicity, good thing. but you need to be careful with the hero worship of donald trump. >> yeah. >> where was this philanthropy and all that for african-american community before? >> does he have to do better things? >> much better. i have covered celebrities for 25 years and watched a lot of journalists to be confronted what it means to be in the space with someone whou thought you didn't like, had opposing ideas with and come to find out there's banter, things you have in common.
things become humanized in the room. to go from only knowing donald trump as the nasty politician that he's become to now knowing him as person you're going to potentially pop a bottle with, let's talk about the celebrity cult thing going on here, i think it has unnerving -- it takes people unfortunately even the jim browns of our community clearly by storm. >> foreman nfl great ray lewis also at meeting. here's what he had to say. >> we believe with the trump administration is if we can combine these two powers of coming together, forget black or white, it's irrelevant, bottom line is job creation and urban development. change the scheme. >> both lewis and brown had fantastic meeting. trump seems to charm skeptics in private.
why have trouble convincing many with the public persona? that's for you -- go ahead mark. >> they hear what he says, what he's done. tried to railroad the media with the central park five. watched a career of dangling black people around as almost puppets or trifrpgets. not to suggest he doesn't have black friends. but look at political commitments and economic investments, don't suggest care for the black community and when ray lewis says it's not about black or white, but it is. food insecurity, lack of housing and quality education and violence on the streets disproportionately happening to black folks. it is absolutely about race. >> and also for donald trump, if you're really serious and could make a huge difference through the department of housing and
urban development, wouldn't have picked a novice like ben carson. >> unbelievable. >> that's like had to find somebody respectable and black to put in the position. so many other qualified people with experience in these areas that could have done a great job. instead puts in ben carson as a show piece. i really hope he doesn't screw it up. it's too important. >> can i take it you're not on board with donald trump? >> just being honest hold him accountable. >> you would think be more sophistication coming out of black spaces where folks have been dealing with the press and understanding that so much is at stake and optics -- >> times are achanging. >> they are. >> thanks for watching. see you tomorrow.
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