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top of the hour, you are watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. any moment now we'll hear from u.s. secretary of state john kerry expected to deliver remarks specifically on the crisis in syria. this comes at a pivotal point in this five-year war. we will bring you secretary kerry's remarks and have much more on what's happening in aleppo and getting these men, women and children out of there. first, let's go to charleston, south carolina. a jury is is in hour one of deliberations regarding the fate of a confessed church shooter. was he a hate-filled coward who
wanted to start a race war? a man who despised black people or was he a suicidal loner, mentally unstable and radicalized online? these are the two characterizations that jurors listen to during these powerful closing arguments today in the death penalty trial of this young man accused of shooting nine black church goers at charleston's historic mother emanuel church. and here, the faces of the nine victims. pastors, aunties, mothers and fathers shot and killed in what prosecutors describe as a premeditated act of murder spurred by hate. imagine their families sitting in the courtroom crying and wiping away tears as the bodies of their loved ones are flashed on screen. let's begin with nick valencia who is in charleston with more on today's closing arguments.
and hour one with the jury deliberating. >> reporter: it was a very emotional day. i sat and listened to the prosecution and defense deliver their closing arguments. the defense for their part saying it's not a matter of who did this or what happened on that fateful day in june, 2015, but why. and he asked the jury, the defense attorney, david bruck for dylann roof, asked the jury to consider that. he also said something very interesting, brooke. he said his client might be delusional and that there's something wrong with his perceptions but of reality. you remember yesterday the defense attorney tried to call two mental health experts to the stand but that motion was denied. dylann roof, of course, found competent enough to stand trial. for the prosecution's part, it was an impassioned plea by the federal prosecutor saying that dylann roof needs to be held accountable for every single one of those shots. every single one of the 77 shots fired in that mother emanuel church. he at one point pointed to
dylann roof and said "there is hatred in this courtroom" as the image of the bloody bodies inside the church, the worshippers shot and killed allegedly by dylann roof, one juror started to tear up, another noticeably grimaced, there was audible sobs in the courtroom from the victims' family members. i sat directly behind dylann roof's grandmother who was flanked by a priest, she brought a priest into the courtroom and i was watching dylann roof, his reaction, his expressions as he listened to the prosecution paint him as a calculated killer. and as he's been for much of the trial, brooke, he was emotionless, expressionless, showing no remorse for what he's accused of. the only noticeable difference is that he wasn't in his prison-issued jump suit, he showed up in civilian clothes wearing a blue sweater and gray pants but was almost like a statue there, didn't motion or make gestures or say anything as the closing arguments were given out loud. brook. >> remember his mother had a heart attack last week. now the grandparents sitting in the courtroom and this shooter
emotionless. nick valencia, thank you, we'll stay in close contact if there is any news from the jr. but meantime, i want to tell you about the most chilling piece of evidence this jury heard. it was a 911 call from the survivor in the bible study room, her name is polly sheppard. she was the only person inside that bible study hall whose life was spared deliberately. so we'll play you this 911 call. i want to warn you, it is excruciating to listen to but it's an important piece of the story and the timeline, here you go. >> please, emanuel church, there's many people shot down here. please send someone right away. >> emanuel church. >> emanuel ame. >> there's people not? >> he shot the pastor and all the men in the church, please come right away. >> my partner will be getting
help on the way while i get more information from you. stay on the line with me. >> he's still in here, i'm afraid. he's still in here. >> where are you? >> i'm in emanuel ame church -- >> yes, ma'am, but where are you inside the church? >> in the lower level. >> you're in the lower level. >> where is the shooter? >> he's in the office. please send somebody right away, please. >> yes, ma'am, i've got officers enroute to you. don't hang up with me, stay on the line with me. stay as quiet as possible, do you hear me? >> yes, i'm under the table. >> what is your name, ma'am. >> polly sheppard. >> all right, miss polly, my partner is getting help on the way while i get information from you. you stay on the line with me. >> he's coming, he's coming, he's coming, please. >> did you see him at all? >> yes, he's a young 21-year-old white dude. >> okay. >> we've got people very hurt.
please. >> yes, ma'am. and you said -- were you able to see the gun? do you know what kind of gun it was? >> no. i don't know. i don't know anything about guns. >> okay. that's okay. and where are the weapons now? >> he's got it in his hand, he's reloading. >> how many shots has he fired? >> i don't know. there's so many. three different rounds of all kinds. god, please help me. please help us, lord. help us lord, please. jesus lord, please jesus help us. there's so many people dead, i think. oh, my god. >> you said there's so many people dead? >> i think they're dead, yes. >> when polly sheppard says she believes it was god who spared her life that night, she lost some of her nearest and dearest friends, i sat down and talked to miss sheppard a couple months ago in charleston. she said she had forgiveness in
her heart. here's what she told me. evil walked into the side door of your church. >> i had faith, that's why i'm still here. i prayed under that table and he left me here. so i -- i can't doubt him no time. >> is there a day that goes by that you don't think about what happened? >> i think about it everyday. everyday. >> do you remember the message of the bible study? was there a passage? >> mark 4:14-20. "stony ground, shallow ground. and good ground." stony ground is not going to grow, on shallow ground it dies real fast but on fertile solid ground, it grows. >> of all passages to be reading that night when he walked in there and he was hoping to plant these seeds of evil and hate and racist thoughts. >> didn't work. >> didn't work. >> he was in the wrong place. >> when you sit in those pews on a sunday morning, what does it do for you, for your heart, your
soul. >> i feel at peace in church. >> i've talked to a lot of people who have been in horrible situations and those who survive sometimes feel that why me? do you ever think that way? >> i often do, yes. it's something for me to do. i'm sure he'll let me know what it is. maybe i'm doing it already, i don't know. but it's something -- he wasn't ready for me yet. >> do you have a favorite hymn? >> my favorite is "when peace like a river atteattendet my la whatever my lot got has taught me to say it is well worth my soul." >> how often do you sing that or think that? >> i think it often. very often. >> she doesn't often like to
talk about what happened in that room but i am so grateful to you polly sheppard. let's have a bigger conversation about the case. i have legal analyst and defense attorney mark geragos and former prosecutor charles coleman, jr., gentlemen, welcome to both of you. charles, we know hour one the jury has this case and they're mulling it over. how long do you think it will take? >> honestly, brooke, i don't think it will take very long. at the same time they are considering 33 different counts and they have 33 different federal statutes many of them having to do with hate crimes so they may be going through the weeds to make sure that each of those they're able to convict on but i don't expect this to be a long or extended deliberation. >> mark, let's talk about closing arguments here. from the defense this attorney was calling this man suicidal, an impressionable loane loner, never grasped the gravity of
what he did. what narrative was the defense crafting there? >> look, david is probably one of the two or three best practitioners of capital defense and this has to be the most frustrating case in the world for him. not just because it's such a horrific crime but because he has so much trouble with his client trying to benched and brought back and then benched again and it's a horrific situation. i mean, this case literally takes the criminal justice system and pushes it to the edge. it really is probably the hardest thing you can do as a defense lawyer. what he wants to do, his strategy is here and he's done it capefulably in many other ca is he wants to set up -- he's not trying to win the guilt phase. this is looking towards the penalty phase and so what he's trying to do is set that up. he's looking towards that penalty phase and that's what ice frustrating for him.
if he's benched, comes back guilty and there is a penalty phased and he's benched and dylann roof is going to lead that penalty phase -- >> because he says he wants to represent himself, correct? i mean, during the penalty phase. >> correct. correct. and he's got a right to do it but you know the frustration of this but i've talked to the victims' families but it looks like most of them have incredible forgiveness. >> some of them don't want him to be put to death. >> right. and i think that what's interesting about this entire discussi discussion, there's so many different narratives between the prosecution and defense. it's right to the penalty phase of the trial. it's not about whether dylann roof was convicted. >> he confessed. >> he confessed. that's not what happened.
what's happening is a chess game to position dylann roof or characterize him in such a way that's going to determine the outcome of the penalty phase in this trial. >> so how does that work? just looking ahead, if and when there is this conviction of this first phase and you look ahead to the penalty phase, mark how does this lawyer who you say is phenomenal, how does he fight for his life given what he has done? >> he doesn't and that's what i'm sure is frustrating him because normally what he would be able to do is he doesn't -- it's not a who did it or who done it, it'ses may beally, you know, try to find some mercy and the problem is here that everything he would normally do to set up that second act or that second half, he's not going to have control of in the second half. so he's probably kind of -- i would assume geared that closing argument stoo-to-the fact that, look, i'm going to assume at least internally, i'm not going to be able to argue it so i'm going to set it up so when this
jury see this is kid they'll realize how deranged he is and maybe some of the things i said in the guilt phase will resonate with them by proxy or by example. >> mark geragos and charles coleman, let's leave it there. who knows when we could get this verdict. we'll stand by for that. i just want to read the names of the nine innocent victims who lost their lives and remember them today. cynthia hurt, susie jackson, ethel lance, reverend depayne middleton, dr. reverend clemente pinckney, the reverend daniel simmons, sharonda coleman singlet singleton, myra thompson and tywanza sanders. a source close to the trump transition says the president-elect is "concerned" about russia hacking during the election. this after months of dismissing the intelligence that points to moscow. those details ahead.
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welcome back. you're watching cnn. a new cease-fire in aleppo is holding, at least for now. let me show you some pictures and tell you you are now looking at something the 50,000 people trapped inside the syrian civil war have prayed for. see these buses? a safe way out. these green buses and ambulance vans today were allowed to carry people out of aleppo, a city where bombs rained down again and again and again.
every single day. these pictures showing not only the long line of evacuation buses but the near complete destruction of aleppo. look at that. one of the world's oldest cities, a city that was once a thriving bustling metropolis. these pictures before and after an indication of the scale of ruin the city essentially flattened. but the safe passage out of aleppo is fraught with dangers. one convoy coming under attack by sniper fire and people inside this city are still begging the world to help them. a new video, one of the most heartbreaking yet, a plea from a group of or fphans inside of aleppo.
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fred pleitgen is in syria. let's try this again. we see the buses trying to get out of town and out of harm's way. is that a successful effort? where are they going? >> it's starting to be a successful effort. a second convoy packed with civilians has just arrived in other rebel-held territories in syria so that convoy was conducted successfully. now all of this was called into question earlier today when the first convoy as it left came under fire. one person was killed several people were wounded. now it seems to be back on track
and seems to be working. the route it's taking is a good question, brooke. what happens is they leave the rebel enclave in aleppo, they have to go through government-held territory to move through another part of syria that is under the control of the opposition. you can imagine when the people are sitting on those buses they're vulnerable, they can get shot at any time, so it's a huge leap of faith they have to take to get on those buses in this volatile situation where you have guys on the ground on both sides who have been fighting each other fiercely for months and are being told stop the fighting, let these guys go through. >> it's life or death for them, fred. we saw syrian state tv 1ed 4,000 rebels and their families would be evacuated from eastern districts but you talked about government-held territory and holding their breath i'm sure but there there have to be fears of retribution on rebels wherever they're taken.
>> you're right and that's the case. when you look at the situation there in the aleppo area those people say they will be let out of these territories and allowed safe passage into other rebel areas but there were other areas they were swept by government forces before and in those areas there are reports by the united nations that apparently there were executions, they haven't been able to independently verify that but they said it comes from sources that have been telling them the truth in the past so there's huge concern and the united nations and the u.s. has told both the assad regime and the russians that it's on them. to make sure civilians are unharmed but that rebel fighters aren't massacred as well. especially in a civil war that's been going on for such a long time and has been so brutal for such a long time. >> waiting to hear from secretary of state john kerry. he'll be addressing this, we'll listen for that. fred pleitgen, thank you very
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quote/unquote concerned about intelligence agencies' findings that russia engaged in hacking during the u.s. presidential election. the source adds mr. trump and his team are also concerned the issue is being used to delegitimize his win. this is coming out as we were also learning not one but two trump loyalists have appeared in moscow. one a former georgia congressman jack kingston, he's talking with american business people there about the possibility of donald trump taking another look at those sanctions, the financial penalties were a punishment for russia's invasion of crimea in 2014. the other trump loyalist, carter pai paige, was asked by our moscow team what the president-elect plans to do about russia. >> he has huge interest in tackling the biggest challenges that the united states has. dealing with radical islamic terror and, you know, another diverse range of security
threats and also building up the economy. to waste so much time, effort, and resources towards an old battle that was from the -- before the 1990s makes no sense whatsoever. >> during the campaign, trump initially called page one of his foreign policy advisers. mr. trump's campaign manager later said page was no long we are the team. on the phone with me now i have lucian kim and lucian, we wanted to talk to you. you talked to congressman kingston. what did he say to you specifically on sanctions? >> well, on sanctions he wasn't extremely specific but what he did say is they've been in effect for two years and he asked rhetorical questions on whether we bought the desired results. >> do we know, lucian, who sent him to russia? was it on his own accord or did
someone direct him? >> well, it was not clear whether he was working on behalf of the trump campaign and transition team. it seemed that it was more in his capacity as an individual working for the law firms and he came to the american chamber of commerce and he came to tell business people what they could expect from the next administration. >> and what did he say? >> well, the conversation was not public. i did ask and he said the main message that he had for business people was the trump administration means there could be a new start in relations and it's probably time to have new relations. >> lucian kim in moscow, we have to go to the state department
and listen into secretary of state john kerry on aleppo. >> continued relentless and inexcusable attacks that have been directed at the civilian population in aleppo, including women, children, humanitarian workers and medical personnel. there is no justification for the indiscriminate and brutality against civilians shown by the regime and its russian and iranian allies over the past few weeks or indeed for the past five years in conversations over the past weeks and especially over the past 24 hours with the u.n. special envoy i talked with earlier today who was in paris meaning now and with senior officials from russia, qatar,
turkey, egypt saudi arabia and other countries in the region. it makes it difficult to secure a cease-fire but what they want in aleppo right now which is the precursor to move to other things is an immediate and verifiable durable cessation of hostilities and that includes all attacks by the regime, its allies and other combatants in aleppo. all combatants in aleppo and we've been working hard on that. we worked on that in hamburg in my meets with foreign minister lavrov where we reached some measure of agreement. in fact, considerable measure of agreement but weren't able to
secure every component of what was needed in order to move forward. we want safe passage, corridors of evacuation which were beginning today to see perhaps take shape we want full access for the delivery of humanitarian supplies for the people in need throughout syria and with these steps we are convinced that the killing could stop very, very quickly if russia and the regime made the decision to do so. this morning i was encouraged by reports that after a number of fits and starts what we worked on in paris and what we got picked up on in continued conversations which, by the way, we were informed of by russia
and turkey were going to take place to build out on what we talked about using the same semi-plait that template that we created. there are individual cease-fires being worked out, individual arrangements with armed opposition group commanders and it appears for some period of time at least we don't know yet if it will hold or where it is that air strikes and shelling have stopped and that the cease-fire may -- i emphasize may -- be taking hold. buses, some of them, and convoys are beginning to move and my understanding is that the first group of 21 buses and 19 ambulances reached its checkpoint. this convoy includes more than a thousand people on their way to the turkish border. however -- and this is a big however -- we have also heard reports that a convoy of injured
people was fired on by forces from the regime or its allies. and we remain deeply concerned as well that we are hearing reports of syrian men between the ages of 18 and 40 who have apparently been detained or conscripted into military service when trying to pass through government checkpoints and that some who -- of these went missing days or even weeks ago and we still don't have families, don't have their loved one, don't have accountability for what has happened to them. these acts are despicable and contrary to the laws of human decency. more positively, we have finally received pledges from russia that it will assist in the monitoring of evacuations that the international red cross and the syrian red arab crescent
will also be allowed access, in order help with the monitoring. the u.n. is prepared to receive evacuees in numerous sites and emergency relief kits have been pre-positioned to try to help people. medical assistance is also going to be available. the government of turkey is prepared to accept more evacuees for aid and treatment. so it appears that the necessary preparations have been made for the evacuation process that will eventually save lives but the implementation of that process continues to be dependent on the actions of the regime and its allies on the ground. let me emphasize, we're going to do our part. the united states of america is going to continue to try to push the parties towards a resolution. as president obama said the
other day in giving us all both his impressions as well as instructions about these next days, we're going to be trying every way we can to try to save lives and push this to where it needs to get to. to date we've provided by more than $6 billion in food, water, medicine and other supplies to people who have been affected by the violence in the region. and let me be clear, i've said it once and i'll say it again, what has happened already in aleppo is unconscionable. but there remains tens of thousands of lives that are now concentrated into a very small area of aleppo. and the last thing anybody wants to see and the world will be watching is that that small area turns into another srebrenica. it is imperative that key actors
step up and do their part and i call on the entire international community to exert pressure with all parties for the process that has been laid out for some period of time now. to abide by the cessation of hostilities and to bring the killing and the cruelty particularly starting with aleppo which lays the ground work to be able to take the next steps, particularly in aleppo. and we've been engaged in a lot of talks over an extended period of time and they have been geared in trying to end the civil war in syria. in september, after several months of tough negotiation, foreign minister lavrov and i were able to stand up at night and make an announcement in geneva that we arrived on agreement, september 9. and that agreement required a number of days, since everybody
know knows of calm in order to indicate the seriousness of purpose and then we were going to have joint cooperation to move forward. regrettably, syrian troops that were accidentally bombed and humanitarian convoy that was not accidentally but purposefully destroyed by assad to start with and others who joined in, it fell apart. and everybody feels the pain of the lost moment, the lost opportunity for exeternaltys that we did not apparently have control over. the process has not succeeded mostly, in my judgment because of the continued constant unwillingness of the assad regime to live by those agreements. to always press it, to always
brake out, to always try to gain more territory and to go out publicly not reaffirming its willingness to go to geneva and negotiate but always reaffirming publicly in one brash statement after another its readiness to take back the whole country to crush the opposition and to do everything without regard to the real underlying concerns of many people who want to be part of a legitimate, part of a legitimate process but fear that assad is not going to be their leader and that he would never be able to unite the country. that's what's fuelled us and kept it going. so we have arrived at another critical juncture. if aleppo falls completely and people are slaughtered in that small area, it will be even harder to be able to bring people around.
it won't end the war. the fall of aleppo, should it happen, does not end the war. there's still the challenge of governing and reuniting the country and rebuilding the country. and how many countries will step up and rebuild it for the policies that are being executed today? so provided by we are able to stabilize the situation in aleppo, it is essential that we move forward at the earliest possible moment with a syrian-led political process aimed at ending the war and transitioning to a new and more representative government. and without that meaningful transition of power in which the voices of the syrian people are heard, the opposition will continue to fight. terrorists will continue to be drawn to the country. and millions of syrians will continue to be forced to flee their homes. so here i want to emphasize that every single party i've spoken to in recent days, in paris last
week and from here in washington this week, as recently as this morning, every stakeholder tells me they are ready and willing to get back on the path to geneva and that includes the legitimate syrian opposition, it includes turkey, qatar, and the arab state states, it matter to whether or not syria is willing to stop this slaughter of their own people. so let's be crystal clear about who bears responsibility for what we have seen and what we are seeing and continue to see in syria. we're seeing the unleashing of a sectarian passion allowing the assad regime -- not allowing -- the assad regime is allowing and
the assad regime is aiding and abetting and the assad regime is carrying out nothing short of a massacre. and we have witnessed indiscriminate slaughter not accidents of war, not rat clal damage but, frankly, purposeful. a cynical policy of terrorizing civilians. so we believe this is a moment where the syrian regime and the russian military have an opportunity to make the decision to -- a strategic decision, i might add, for peace. one that will make it possible for a cessation of hostilities all across syria which could flow right out of this. every minister i've talked to said we're for a cease-fire
country wide. but you have to be able to deal with aleppo to legitimize getting to a country wide effort. and in addition to that everyone has reconfirmed to me their readiness to go to geneva for discussions aimed at putting an end to this horrific war. so that's the only way that anybody i've talked to with any common sense and any strategic vision says you can end this war. it will take negotiations. and they haven't taken place in all of these years any real negotiations. but all of the parties have now told me with the exception of what we haven't heard from assad himself and his willingness to go out and actually negotiate in good faith. and try to bring syria back together. that's the only way towards a united and peaceful syria that is reflected in resolution 2254
as well as in the issg statement which is include russia and iran. so hopefully people will put actions where the words have been. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. thank you. >> reporter: mr. secretary, do you have any response to reports that putin himself was directly involved in election-related attacks? do you think the administration should have come out before the election more boldly with hard intelligence about these attacks? >> well, let me -- look i am not going to start making comments at this point publicly because of the job i do but let me say today that i'm not going to comment on anonymous reports from intelligence officials that
are not identified that have quotes around the concept of intelligence officials. i'm just not going to comment on that. but let me comment specifically on your question about earlier e. folks, we sat in the situation room, i remember in the white house from the president of the united states and the president made the decision. the intelligence was presented to everybody and he did have abon an obligation to go out to the country and give a warning and he did so, back in october the president authorized the director of national intelligence to -- and the department of homeland security together to make a very clear statement to this nation. to our nation and they said u
unequivocally with high confidence that the russian government directed compromises of e-mails from u.s. institut n institutions including political organizations and that these thefts and disclosures were intented to interfere with our election process i won't comment on it further except to say that people need to remember that the president issued a warning but he had to be obviously sensitive to not being viewed as interfering on behalf of the candidate or against a candidate or in a way that promoted unrealistic assessments about what was happening. i think the president did that and now we have to get at the facts and i'm confident we will in the months ahead. thank you very much.
>> so let's start there. you talked about a lot, specifically syria but i want to pick up his points on russia and involvement in presidential election. i have a justice correspondent pamela brown standing by, a.b. stoddard is here, associate editor and columnist for real clear politics. pamela, you heard the secretary of state not commenting as he did on anonymous sourcing as he did on that report out today. is i so we've heard that putin was aware of these hacks even before the statement outing russia and saying that people in the senior most positions in russia were aware and authorized those hacks during the election of, of course, the clinton chairman john podesta as well as the dnc. but at this point there is no hard evidence or hard
intelligence, brooke, end skating pskat -- indicating putin's involvement from several officials that we've spoken to across the board. so it's unclear how involved he is but there's no doubt that he was aware of the hacks during the election that there was authorization at the highest levels, of course, moscow continues to deny this. in fact, a spokesman for the kremlin called this funny heresy. but despite the repeated denials from moscow, the belief is that putin was aware of the hacks, brook brooke. >> now the president-elect says he is concerned about russia's involvement and feel this is would delegitimize his victim. is it not possible for trump to acknowledge the hacking and still hold on to a valid win? >> that's exactly right.
none of these intelligence agencies are suggesting that some kind of russian interference in ballot boxes in michigan turned this election for donald trump. this goes back to the intelligence agencies' finding to 2018 that russian state acto actors. he believes russian actors were getting into the dnc and hacking materials as far back as over a year ago. and then we have this revelation in june about the dnc e-mails that were problematic for the democrats because it shows they were looking for hillary to win and they were basically favoring hillary over bernie sanders and then, of course, you had the john podesta e-mails leaking out
which trump repeatedly referenced on the trail. this is not about him not winning the election fair and square. it's about the interest russia had in trying to make hillary clinton look bad through the release of these e-mails, both the dnc ones and john podesta's account and it did and polls show in addition to the james comey letter. these revelations to wikileaks which donald trump thought was campaign fodder for his rallies throughout late october and early november were damaging. and so that's the argument here, it's not that it's the inkering with the numbers on november 8 the months preceding and the campaign that led up to election day. >> back to vladimir putin, we know he's denied, denied any of these reports that russia was involved in any sort of interference. but we did talk to outgoing democratic senator harry reid who said this.
>> his being former head of the kgb, does that surprise you? does it surprise anybody today when he denied it? >> so that was the senate minority leader pamela and you're reporting on no hard evidence of direct involvement but how -- once an investigation is complete, once the dots are connected, how might that change the equation moving forward. >> well, you know, they don't use e-mail and go to great lengths to cover their tracks talking about psycher espionage operations like what you saw during the election but when you put the pieces of the puzzle together that was enough for the cia to go to congress and say look, we believe with high confidence that not only do we believe putin was aware but that russians were working to help
donald trump. but that's not stopping president-elect trump from tweeting today just as early as today saying if russia or some other entity was hacking, why did the white house wait so throng act. why did they only complain after hillary lost. you're hearing that from the trump side. that the white house are trying to undermine the election results. >> but you heard secretary kerry say i sayi saying it was back in october and they were saying they had high confidence russia was involved but they couldn't do more to play politics in this election. pamela and a.b., thank you so much. so much more to explore on all of that and to the secretary was talking about about syria putting the blame on assad's shoulders and the russian military. let's move to charleston, south carolina. we have news here.
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dylann roof, charged in the charleston south carolina church massacre, his trial now in the hands of the jury. hour two and already they have a question. the panel of 10 women and two men has apparently just asked to rewatch this defendant's videotaped confession this confession is up to two hours in length but the jurors wanted to rewatch the part where he's asked how many people he thinks he shot. here's that part. >> if i told you nine people died last night. how would that make you feel? >> i wouldn't believe you. >> it was nine. >> there wasn't even nine people there. >> there was just a little bit over nine. but it's hard when you're looking at the tables. >> you said when you went in there you said six, eight, you