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charleston south carolina church massacre, his trial now in the hands of the jury. hour two and already they have a question. the panel of 10 women and two men has apparently just asked to rewatch this defendant's videotaped confession this confession is up to two hours in length but the jurors wanted to rewatch the part where he's asked how many people he thinks he shot. here's that part. >> if i told you nine people died last night. how would that make you feel? >> i wouldn't believe you. >> it was nine. >> there wasn't even nine people there. >> there was just a little bit over nine. but it's hard when you're looking at the tables. >> you said when you went in there you said six, eight, you weren't certain.
>> are you guys lying to me? >> we're not. >> it's complicated because they were all like under the table. >> it's not like i was going around shooting people that were already dead. it's just when i shot a magazine i just went bop bop bop bop, see what i'm saying. >> so when you started shooting you say you were shooting because maybe they didn't see where it was coming from? >> they dove under the table. >> everybody dove under the table? >> everybody did. >> then you went around the tables to shoot them? >> no, not exactly. i think there's two people that i didn't shoot at all. >> that apparently is the piece that the jury wanted to rewatch, they're deliberating 33 federal count
counts. danny zcevallos is here and people have said this deliberation won't last long. why do you think they've asked for this video? >> it's like reading tea leaves to figure out what jurors are doing during deliberations because when we guess as attorneys, often times we're wrong. the general rule of thumb is a short deliberation process is a guilty verdict but even that rule is riddled with exceptions. in a case like this, why are they looking at the video? they may be looking to his words to see what kind of racial animus there was. there can be no doubt as to causation and intent in this case. >> areeva, he confessed? >> i think that's what's puzzle, the fact they've already been in deliberations for a couple of hours and they're asking for additional evidence. but i agree with danny.
but this is not the most usual case. the jurors know if they determine or come back with a guilty verdict that doesn't end this. there's then the penalty phase and the penalty phase is going to be about whether he lives or dies. so this l take a lot of time and they want to be careful because they want to get it right. >> before we talk about closing arguments and we're talking about facts. it's important to hear someone's raw emotion, we're about to hear the 911 call from polly sheppard, she's the one who survived who apparently this gunman said i'm allowing you to live to tell the story. she called 911 as he was shooting left and right. it is tough to listening to but it's important. >> please help us, oh, god.
>> 911, what's the emergency? >> please, emanuel church, there's many people shot down here, send somebody right away. >> emanuel church. >> emanuel ame, 110 calhoun. >> there's people shot? >> yeah, he shot the pastor, he shot all the men in this church. please come right away. >> okay, my partner will get help on the way while i get more information from you, stay on the line with me. are you safe? >> he's still in here. i'm afraid. he's still here. >> i where are you? >> i'm at emanuel ame church -- >> but where are you inside the church. >> the lower level. >> where is the shooter. >> he's in the office. >> i have officers enroute to you. stay on the line with me. you stay as quiet as possible. >> we, i'm under the table. >> what is your name 12k34r9?
. >> polly sheppard. >> all right, miss polly, stay on the line with me. >> he's coming he's coming, please. >> did you see him at small. >> yes, he's a young 21-year-old white dude. please, we've got people very hurt, please. >> yes, ma'am. were you able to see the gun? do you know what kind of gun it was? >> no. i don't know. i don't know anything about guns. >> okay, that's okay. and where are the weapons now? >> he's got it in his hand. he's reloading. >> how many shots has he fired? >> i don't know. there's so many. three different rounds of all kinds. god, please help me. please help us, lord. help us, loshd, please. jesus, lord, please help us. there's so many people dead, i think. oh, my god. >> you said there's so many people dead? >> i think they're dead, yes.
>> danny, from a defense perspective, we know in closing they were trying to argue he was suicidal and impressionable by this racist hatred on line. how much was that a setup for the penalty phase? >> it was all a set up. in a case like this, especially a case like this, an attorney's role is not to seek a not guilty verdict. he or she has to take a position. don't take inconsistent positions at the trial and then at the sentencing phase don't do a "some other guy did it" defense at trial. and then say this guy was delusi delusional, they had family problems. you have to keep your eye on the sentencing phase, the penalty phase. be consistent and demonstrate to this jump in my way you can that this person's life is somehow worth redemption. >> areva, last question to you,
what stood out for you? we know those mental health experts, that request was rejected by the judge. the prosecution says you can't think about his mental health, that's for his t next phase whether he lives or dies. what did you make of today? >> i think what will be interesting is we know dylann roof doesn't want that expert team of lawyers to even represent him in the penalty phase. and what we're hearing is the reason he does this is because he doesn't want evidence introduced to this phase suggesting he has a mental health issue. he has made a confession and he stood by it. he killed these people because they're african-american, because he wanted to start a race war, because he was upset and angry about african-americans in this country. and that's the way he wants the penalty phase of this trial to proceed so i don't know if we'll hear anything about the mental health. particularly if he represents himself. >> we watch and wait to see how long it takes.
arena v. aareva, thank you so much for that. president-elect donald trump cutting ties with at least some of his businesses overseas as he faces serious concerns about conflicts of interest. drew griffin joins my on the phone. drew, what have you learned? >> this is being called house cleaning by trump's business attorney. they have ended all their projects which are licensed projects, branded projects, in rio de janeiro. they were building a hotel there under the trump brand and a five office building complex in a government-sponsored port redevelopment area all those deals have been terminated, according to the lawyer, terminated under the applicable agreement, he called them. also terminated was a shuttered project that is azerbaijan, this was a hotel, a trump branded
hotel that has basically been shuttered for many, many months, maybe longer than that. the developer seems to have run out of month. garten confirmed to me that baku project has also been separated from the trump organization. they're easy to do. the trump organization holds on to its brand pretty, pretty strictly so they can look for any violation of the agreements to terminate them. in rio there have been a couple of government and prosecutors dealing with various loans and other business investigations with both of those projects there in azerbaijan. it looks like the developer just flatly ran out of money. but again trump's attorney calling this house cleaning. obviously this is house cleaning getting ready for when president-elect trump becomes president. >> all right, three house cleaning deals overseas. drew, thank you again. just a reminder, today was supposed to be the day mr. trump held a news conference telling all of us how he'd be distancing
himself from his businesses, that has been postponed to january date tbd. more breaking news today. evacuations are under way in aleppo, syria, where this fragile cease-fire appears to be holding bus after bus, ambulance after ambulance, tens of thousands waiting to escape. we just heard from secretary of state john kerry with some blistering words for the governments not just of syria but their friends in russia as well, calling this a massacre and a slaughter. that's next.
situation just a short time ago. >> i don't think i have to elaborate but i'm going to focus on the anger and the anguish that everybody feels -- or most people feel about the continued relentless and inexcusable attacks that have been directed at the civilian population in aleppo, including women, humanitarian workers and medical personnel. there is no justification whatsoever for the indiscriminate and savage brutality against individuals shown by the regime and its russian and iranian allies over the past few weeks or indeed the past five years? a fragile new cease-fire getting off to a rocky start with activists saying regime forces have already fired on ambulance convoy convoys.
there's still fears people in these buses and ambulances won't arrive to that safe location alive. lines of green buses the backdrop. look at other side of the road. utter devastation. the epicenter of the regime's battle against the rebels who are trying to topple president bashar al assad look to the left and right of your screen. this is before and after of this thriving city. the aftermath of the bombs raining down day after day. a groundhog day in hell. these are the same headlines we have been bringing to you for years. bloodshed, massacres and fear. this is what people living in syria have been dealing with for nearly 18 months. syrian state media reporting chemical weapons have been strapped to a missile and fired on civilians in aleppo province, kill killing at least 25 people.
today the u.s. denying america's accusations that they bombed the war torn city of aleppo inside syria families are running for their lives. whether today's cease-fire means lasting change remains to be seen. let's go to fret pleitgen who was just inside of syria. fred, we know they're moving them to the province of idlib which is another rebel held area. aren't they fleeing this dangerous zone in aleppo for another war zone elsewhere? >> yeah, that's what's happening, brooke. it seems as though what the assad government is trying to do not just in aleppo but other places as well is it's trying to besiege the rebels in those major cities, surround them, starve them then offer them the choice, either they can be bombed or leave to this place,
idlib province, which they've done with other cities as well so essentially what's going on is that all those rebel fighters and many civilians are being bunched up in that one province while the assad government continues to take back the major cities of syria. it has several reasons why they're doing that. one of them is, of course, they need a lot of forces concentrated in places like aleppo to continue those sieges, to continue those battles, once those rebels and civilians are out they can use those forces in other places. but you're right, you're basically only shifting these people from one war zone to the next. now what they can do in idlib province, the civilians, at least, is they can get to other places, they can get to turkey, they can try to get to places that are controlled by turkish forces and possibly get out of the way of bombings there but in the end these people that are being evacuated today, they're out of harm's way for the moment. they're safe for the moment but they are just going into another war zone where it's only a matter of time before that syrian war catches up with them
there as well, brooke. >> according to the international committee of the red cross, at least 3,000 people have been brought out of eastern aleppo during the first two evacuations. fred, thank you so much. meantime, people just inside of aleppo, they're sick of just surviving. a heartbreaking video here is surfacing of these young orphans pleading for the world's help. a 10-year-old boy saying this might be his last message. the man who helped share this video is a former aleppo citizen himself, his name is
doctor ahmed tarachi, thank you for taking time to speak to us. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> i understand you're talking to a man who is managing the medical evacuations in eastern aleppo. what is he telling you now? >> unfortunately as you mentioned earlier, it's a chaotic situation in aleppo right now. the -- what would be the least situation in this humanitarian crisis to have some orderly process is also under mine. on the other hand, the patients who arrive to the countryside will receive on that part, we have received so far two convoys and the process over there is well organized between the ngos, who, and other authorities to
allow appropriate evaluation of the patients, their needs and appropriate triage. but unfortunately, as you said, even at the time of the displacement out of eastern aleppo, people are being punished. not only by targeting them directly as we've seen earlier this morning but also by really punishing them, no order at all whatsoever and they're paying a very high price just because they stayed home over the last four or five years at the time of the conflict. >> you know, we heard from secretary kerry saying at least one convoy had been fired upon. can i ask you, doctor, about the other fans we saw in that video. how are they? >> i'm -- it does break my heart to see this video and that's all of us and at this time we're trying to get them out of eastern aleppo. it's a very complicated process
you would think humanitarian values would be respected and unfortunately it's unpredictable as the workers from the civil defense who are trying to open up the road for the humanitarian evacuations were shot at this morning and were killed and everything is unpredictable until they make the western countryside of aleppo so we pray for them, i ask everybody to join us praying for them but certainly the suffering you see from those children is not a random process it's the result of disruption from the humanitarian order. what is going on right now i think will last -- it will have an effect that will last for so many years in the international community when we see those massacres and shooting on civilians is showing the infrastructures. i think the effect will last for
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pri praying with their eyes closed. the verdict has been reached, guilty in the case of this man whose name i refuse to utter. i just got handed this, the jury has found him guilty on counts one through 12 for last year's massacre danny cevallos, areva martin, danny, you said you thought it would be quick and it was. >> i said i thought it would be quick and guilty but i don't want any credit for that because i think many people felt that way. that was the heavy favorite in this case. >> they had it for not even two hours, the jurors came back, they asked one question, they specifically wanted to rewatch the confession tape where their fbi is sitting around a table with him and they were telling him he had murdered nine people, he thought it had been fewer. >> the defense, i think, consciously chose not to put on a case so from the standpoint of
wrongdoing there really was not much to question. i would respectfully suggest that this case was not tried for the guilt, r, it's been tried for the sentence to try to avoid the death penalty. >> talk about that a little bit more. the penalty phase is the next phase. it's not whether he did it or not, you have to video where he confessed. it comes to whether or not his life can be spared or not so the defense attorney is planting the seed in the jurors' minds for that next phase. >> it's a credibility issue. what you do as a defense attorney, you're basically saying to the jury, look, i'm not going to insult your intelligence, i'm not going to try to convince you that my client didn't do this because if i do that and i fail, i have no credibility with you. so i'm going to save that moment, i'm going to choose my battle and i will come to you and beg you -- not that he didn't do it but beg you to spare his life and you should
believe me when i say that. areva, to you quickly -- not there yet. danny, already looking ahead because so much of this is about whether or not he's put to death. again, this is the federal trial. i think the state case begins some time mid-january. so there is a possibility he could be sentenced to death two times over. it's a matter what have the date is, am i wrong? >> that's correct. in this federal case most sentencings happen months out but they happen within a day or two. there's no need to do a pre-sentence investigation. this case will proceed very promptly to the penalty phase of the trial. >> walking through part of the closing argument, randy, from the defense, that lawyer stood up there and talked to the jury and said he was suicidal, that he was an impressionable loaner, everything he was doing was an imitation of somewhere else, the online hatred he got from the internet. what was he trying to do there? trying to plants, as you said, the seeds for the penalty phase
because in the penalty phase we get into something called aggravating factors and mitigating factors. >> explain that. >> what happens is the jury in deciding whether or not he should get the death penalty has to look at aggravating factors, the bad things, for example was this a particularly heinous crime that was committed? were there particularly vulnerable victims? those are examples of aggravating factors. then you have mitigating factors, was there something about his childhood, his upbringing, was he abused, is he suffering from some kind of mental defect? not so much that he's insane but so much where we have to question do we kill him for this. so the defense attorney was planting the seeds of this is a kid who is messed up and not a kid who should be treated as let's just kill him. >> on color in the courtroom, just talking to reporters, apparently he's sat there day in and day out. his own mother had a heart
attack last week, his grandparents have been in the courtroom but he has been sitting there emotionless. when you are a juror sitting in a courtroom listening and seeing horrific images of bloody bodies flashed up and you see this person emotionless, how much do you take that into account? >> you bring up a good point. jurors are people watchers. they're watching everybody. everybody from the bailiff to the judge. and of course the defendant. they're looking at him to see how he reacts and they're judging them. it's their job. you can tell your client sit there and look appealing or not guilty so when people look dispassionate about horrific evidence that piece being shown to a jury. >> by the same token, though, and you make a great point, we have to remember something, that video confession was the epitome of someone who understood exactly what he was doing, why he was doing it, and didn't care
so then to portray him during the guilt phase as something else, again, if i'm a defense attorney and i'm sensitive to your point i'm thinking about my credibility and i want to save my credibility when i'm trying to convince them not to kill him. so perhaps it was not the worst strategy in the world to let him be who he is, let's not try to insult the jury's intelligence and suddenly he's chock full of emotion and regret and remorse, let's save it for the penalty phase and i would submit during the penalty phase they will pull out all the stops to show why there are these mitigating factors. don't kill him, ship him off, let him spend -- he'll come out feet first out of jail but don't fry him. >> i was in charleston a couple months ago, i talked to polly sheppard who survived who was hiding under a table when he said to her "i'm going to spare your life so you can tell the story of what i've done." these people are better than me. they have such tremendous
forgiveness in their hearts and they also some of whom say we don't want him to be put to death. does that factor in at all in the process of justice? >> when you get to the penalty phase, the rules of evidence go out the window. virtually anything relevant to an aggravating and mitigating factor can come in as evidence for the defendant or against him. that includes impact statements from victims. the rules are so broadly interpreted that anything and everything may come in at the penalty phase and be considered by this jury. >> if you are just now joining us, we have breaking news. the guilty verdict has been reached in the trial of this racist murderer in charleston, south carolina, a man who walked inside of this bible study in june of last year and opened fire, killing nine worshippers. areva martin is with us. areva, your response to how quickly and swiftly the jury arrived at this moment, it's what i expected, brooke, given
the overwhelming evidence, given his confession, given all of the evidence presented in this trial. i just can't even imagine what the victims' families are going through. this is closure victims want in temples of getting a guilty verdict, but for the families i don't know if they will have ever true composure because this crime is so horrific. we just heard the 911 tape from polly sheppard. listening to her as she hid under a desk will live on in the minds of these victims and their families wherever. >> we've talked quite a bit about this trial. the jury had this for maybe two hours, asked one question about the confession video, quick.
guilty. >> i don't think it's any surprise he's guilty. what's interesting to me, brooke is he said he did this to start a race war. if anything in my view it's brought that community together. that community has been various. those victims and everything else has been forgiving, have been so loving so if there's anything he has done i think she's shown the power and will of a community he tried to break but there's not a shock as it relates to 33 counts the. shock was that they had a question at all. but what i'm interested in now is whether or not if he decides to represent himself -- >> which he says he wants to. >> he also said he wanted to represent himself in this phase, whether he now says i want to be a martyr and as a result of it asks for death or whether he had some other plan in mind and backs out and lets his attorneys do their job which is an attempt to find mitigation. >> we are waiting to talk to a reporter who was in the courtroom and he can walk us through what's happening and just the emotion within this room but i had the privilege of
talking to polly sheppard a couple weeks ago and she shared the story even down to the bible passage they were studying when these people were slaughter ed. >> evil walks into the side door of your church. >> i had faith. that's why i'm still here. i prayed under that table and he left me here so i can't doubt him no time. >> is there a day that goes by that you don't think about what happened? >> i think about it everyday. everyday. >> do you remember the message of the bible study was? >> mark 4:13-20. "stony ground, shallow ground and good ground. stony ground is not going to grow. on shallow ground it grows but dies real fast but ott fertile solid ground it grows. >> of all passages to be reading that night and he walked in there and he was hoping to plant these seeds of evil and hate and
of racist thoughts. >> didn't work. >> it didn't work. >> he was in the wrong place. >> when you sit in those pews on a sunday morning what does it do for you for your heart? your soul? i feel at peace in church. >> i've talked to a lot of people who have been in horrible situations and those who survive sometimes feel that why me. do you ever think that way? >> i often do, yes. there's something for me to do and i'm sure he'll let me know what it is. maybe i'm doing it already, i don't know but there's something -- he wasn't ready for me yet. >> do you have a favorite hymn or song that you go to in momentsovmoment moments of -- >> my favorite is "when peace like a river attendeth my way, whatever my lot god has taught me to say it is well worth my soul." >> how often do you say that or
think that? >> i think it often. very often. >> i know ms. sheppard doesn't like talking about that day but i'm so grateful to her for opening up just for a few moments in the room. back to my lawyers, as we have learned, guilty. all 33 federal charges he has faced. walk through some of the charges. >> well, you have a hate crime resulting in death and you have most importantly the death penalty, the federal death penalty act so he qualifies for the death penalty hearing, that's why he's been charged and that is what's going -- we're going to spend the next probably weeks dealing with. but those are the lead charges. there's also some federal gun charges but the thing to understand is even if there were no death penalty, with federal sentencing guidelines being what they are, without the death penalty we'd be looking at life in almost all cases and at least the gun charges alone you're looking at many, many years in
prison. >> randy, this has been -- saying it was emotional for this community is an understatement and to be coping with this and having this man day in and day out sitting with these family members and the victims' families, for a defense attorney, how do you stand up there and defend his life. >> well, i think it was defended precisely the way it should have been defended. >> but looking to the penalty phase. >> it's very complicated and the jurors can't unwrap what their responsibilities are. we have aggravating factors in one bucket, mitigating factors in one bucket. the jury must be unanimous in order to find one aggravating factor in order to impose the death penalty. they don't have to be unanimous in terms of finding a mitigating
factor. it's very complicated and they'll add a few other layers. number one, you have ten women on this jury, ten potentially mothers. imagine having to play god as a mother and determine whether or not someone's child should live or should die. they're going to hear about his upbringing, the broken family he came from, his life and what he went through as a child. can one person say "i cannot punch his lights out"? then remember you had the church saying he should not be put to death. all of those things factor in. >> i don't believe that it is so complicated. i certainly think the job is sober to to do but ultimately this is a death penalty qualified jury. that means they look the judge and everyone else in the eye and what they said was this. in the event we find evidence and that evidence is significant enough to impose a death penalty we will honor our solemn
obligation and do it. with regard to the aggravating factors i believe they will be paraded. that prosecution, three very important things. they'll talk about the heinous nature of the act, the cruel and inhumane nature of the act which is very compelling. that i'll talk about the preparation he engaged in with this act, shooting, having target practice, purchasing the gun, the racist manifesto. and i think they'll focus in on the vulnerability of the victims as they stood there. so ultimately in mitigation you can look at everything in his background but that jury has sworn to do their job if they feel it's appropriate. >> stand by all of you. we're going to take a quick break. we know he has been found guilty on all 33 federal charges in this case in charleston, south carolina. next we talk to a reporter who was in the courtroom. don't miss this.
we will get you back to charleston momentarily but i want to tell you about that beautiful soul, craig sager, sports reporter best known for his colorful interviews and wardrobe. he's passed away after battling acute myeloid leukemia. he was 65 and i want to read a statement from turner president david levy following craig's passing. "craig sager was a beloved
member of the turner family for more than three decades and he's been a true inspiration for-to-all of us. there will never be another craig sager. his incredible talent, tireless work ethic and commitment to his craft took him all over the world covering sports. while he will be remembered fondly for his colorful attire and the tnt sideline interviews he conducted with coachers and players, it's the determination, grace and will to live he display in his battle with cancer that will be in our lasting impact. our thoughts are with stacy and the entire sager family during this difficult time. we will forever be sager strong." he passed away just say after he was inducted into the sports broadcasting hall after fame. i was privileged to work with him at the nba all-star game in january. here is a look back at his life. >> reporter: for over 40 years, craig sager reported sports in style, and a unique style it
was. he made his debut back in 1974 during one of the most iconic moment in sports, after hank aaron hit his report 715th home run, sager, a radio reporter at the time, ran on to the field and joined in the celebration at home plate. even as a 22-year-old, sager stuck out in the crowd with his big white trench coat. sager joined cnn in 1981, reporting from various sporting events and serving as a host for cnn sports tonight. he would later move on to turner sports, becoming a regular on the nba sidelines reporting in his colorful suits. >> you take this and you burn it. >> not any part i can keep? >> no, nothing. >> i didn't recognize you, i thought you were the good humor ice cream man. >> nice suit. easter passed, though, easter already went by. >> in the spring of 2014, sager was diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia and had to take a break from work undergrowing treatment. 11 months after his diagnosis, sager made it back to the court and his long time friend and spurs coach gregg popovich welcomed him back. >> i have to honestly tell you,
this is the first time i've enjoyed doing this ridiculous interview we're required to do because you're here and back with us. welcome back, baby. >> reporter: unfortunately last march, sager announced his leukemia was no longer in remission, but that didn't stop him. he kept working, landed on the cover of "sports illustrated" and for the first time in his career reported in the nba finals. >> how in the hell do you go 30 plus years without getting a finals game. that don't make no sense. i'm happy to see you, man. >> reporter: in september, sager received a rare third bone marrow transplant at md anderson hospital in houston. his wife was will and could not be by his side so charles barkley who recently had hip replacement surgery, against his own doctor's orders, flew from phoenix to houston to be with sager. >> when you visit sager, you're like are we sure this dude got cancer? he is the most positive person i've ever met in my life and to go through what he's going through with that attitude has been amazing. >> in july, sager was presented
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back to our breaking story out of charleston, south carolina. guilty on all 33 counts. this racist who walked into a church june of two summers ago and murdered all nine people. quickly let me read you the statement from the south carolina governor nikki haley. she says, it is my hope that the survivors, the families and the people of south carolina can find some peace in the fact that justice has been served. nick valencia was inside the federal courtroom. tell me what happened. what did you see? >> reporter: brooke, we were watching dylann roof the whole time as he stood in silence listening to the verdict read out loud in the courtroom. his right hand noticeably fidgeting and his ears turning
red as the verdict was read. most importantly in the courtroom, family members of the victims. i was watching them as the verdict was read out loud. none seemed to be surprised. some boughed their heads in prayers. others comforted each other and wiped tears from their eyes. it was an emotional day punctuated by the federal prosecutors showing a gruesome and bloody image of the worshippers shot and killed by dylann roof in 2015. i saw one of the jurors tear up when she was shown the photo. another noticeably grimacing at the sight of a really hard to watch photo. the whole trial, about six days, two hours of deliberation in all, is what it took the jurors to decide that dylann roof is guilty of all charges that he faced in this case. the next phase is the penalty
phase. that will happen on june -- i'm sorry -- january 3rd. court will commence at about 9:00 in the morning according to the judge. that's where things stand right now here in charleston. brooke. >> remind me, nick, of the makeup of this jury. >> it was nine white women, three african-americans. there were some -- something to be made about that here in the community. some felt that it wasn't representative of the community breakdown here. but all of those jurors were asked to affirm their decision, and all of them said -- there was a resounding yes, they found dylann roof guilty, brooke. >> as far as his family. you talk about the victims and members of the church community in the courtroom wiping away tears. his mother had that heart attack last week. and were his grandparents in there today? did they react at all? >> reporter: earlier this morning i saw the grandmother. actually sat behind dylann roof's grandmother, she was flanked by a priest she brought to court. i didn't see the grandmother in court this afternoon as the
verdict was read. we don't know where his family members are. dylann roof, for his part, mostly expressionless and emotionalless. that really upset a lot of people in the city of charleston that's handled this tragedy with such emotional integrity and grace. they have gone through a lot over the course of the last year. not to mention the trial of michael slager, the officer accused of shooting a black man in the back while running away from him. that trial just ended as this dylann roof trial started last week. the city has been handling this situation, which is an immense tragedy, with so much grace and poise. and so far we have not heard of any demonstrations in the streets. right now on the streets of charleston things are quiet. it's really not a surprise that dylann roof was found guilty on all charges. brooke. >> thank you so much. in charleston, just having come out of the courtroom here. shall we talk to the lawyers sitting next to me? all right. i have three of you all here. just listening to nick talking
about the color from the courtroom. i am also skipping ahead already to the penalty phase. joey, which would ultimately determine life or death for him. when -- how quickly could that start? >> i think it will start january 3rd. i think it will begin on that day, bright and early in the morning. i think the prosecution is intent, we know that he, of course, dylann roof, there was a deal he tried to make in terms of sparing his life. the prosecution said, no, we want death. in moving forward, they're going to high height the tragedy that occurred. aggravating factor, brooke, is the heinous nature of the crime. the cruel and inhumane nature of the crime. that's. >> >> in a church, during bible study, during prayer with their eyes closed. >> that aggravates the situation. which is defenseless victims. it will go to the issue of how he prepared and knew exactly what he was doing. the compelling emotional component, when you go and you are handed a bible and you're
handed scripture and told, pray with us. you are welcome to be with us. the moment people close their eyes to pray you engage in that act. it's something for the jury to consider. i don't think it bodes well in his favor. >> what is the biggest challenge for the prosecution here in the penalty phase? >> i think it's been said, brooke. the question is you have all of these women on the jury. i agree with joey jackson when he says they've been qualified. they've already stated that they're capable of returning a verdict for death if the evidence is there to support it. but you have women, women who by nature are more nurturing in a lot of these cases, and can they make a decision to put dylann roof to death. i am concerned that his desire to move forward without his attorneys is just another way for him to victimize the victims in this case. >> we'll see. he wanted to do it in the trial. that didn't end up flying. perhaps he will change his mind.
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