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lisa, she falls down a lot. we did and she does. the thing about lisa she gets back up and back on. jeanne moos, cnn new york. >> she is impressive. and a good sport. and tough. all right. thank you so much for joining us. have a great weekend. ac 360 starts right now. good evening. john berman here. in for anderson. the message tonight "putin did it." president obama didn't use no exact words but almost blamed directory the russian president for starting a cyber war. it is not always one finger points the finger at another. given how carefully president obama weighs every word, sometimes agonizely so, it is exceedingly rare to go as far as he did today in his final news conference of the year. listen. >> what we simple said is the
facts. which are that based on uniform intelligence assessments, the russians were responsible for hacking the dnc. and that as a consequence to ensure we review all elements of that and protect from that in the future. so when i saw president putin in china, i felt the most effective way to insure that that didn't happen was to talk to him directly and tell him to cut it out or there were going to be some serious consequences if he did. and in fact we did not see further tampering of the election process. not much happens in russian without vladimir putin.
>> this is a pretty hierarchal operation. last i checked, there is not a lot of debate and democratic deliberation. particularly when it comes to policies directed at the united states. we have said, and i will confirm that this happened at the highest levels of the russian government. and i will let you make that determination as to whether there are high level russian officials who go off rogue and decide to tamper with the u.s. election process without vladimir putin knowing about it. >> president obama's party words for the year. more now on the shape it is taking from cnn's jump shot.
>> reporter: president obama publicly blaming president putin for the hacking of the election. >> gives me great confidence the russians carried out this hack. the hack of the dnc and the hack of the john podesta. >> reporter: and the cia and fbi agree as to why. telling the workforce in internal --. u.s. intelligence in law enforcement assessed that moscow had multiple possible motives. undermine confidence in the vote. weaken hillary clinton. and help donald trump. today the president said he delivered a stern warning to putin at the g 20 summit in china in september.
>> when i saw president putin in china i felt that the most effect away to ensure that that didn't happen was to talk to him directly. >> reporter: still tonight officials say the hacking continues unabated. president elect trump however continues to dismiss the u.s. assessment that russian is responsible. despite the fact that he's being provided the intelligence behind that assessment in his classified briefings. and today he sought to divert attention back to one of the revelations gleaned from the e-mails stolen by russia, tweeting are we talking about the same cyberattack where it was revealed that the head of the dnc illegally gave hillary the questions to the debate. >> there is the text of this
letter and then there is the subtext really. why did the cia director brenen send this to his staff today? >> i'm told there is deep frustration even anger inside the cia building of being accused by lawmakers of somehow politicizing the intelligence of russian hacking the u.s. election. so you have the cia director feeling the need to write to the entire cia workforce and this is not the first time he's done hit the week even. he did it earlier in the week. but to make here is they agree, one on the seriousness of the attackish two, that russia was behind it. . and this is really important, john. on the intent of it. that there is not this disagreement between the cia and the fbi on russia or on the intelligence community assessing that russia was trying to weaken hillary clinton and help donald trump with these cyber sprugss, which of course had a lot of
polit ticks attached. so that is a very key message today and i'm told a lot of it is coming from real frustration inside the agency buildings. >> they don't want to be considered political. not all all. jump sh jim sciutto thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and drumpl will be speaking shortly. as for president obama he covered far more than just hacking today. he touched on his working relationship with the president elect. gave some very carefully measured advice on china. spoke of regrets on syria without really conceding mistakes. he spoke volumes and we're going to try to hit all the major points. joining us now angela ry, jack kingston, maggie haberman. and kayleigh mcenany. president obama said in pretty stark language that vladimir putin hacked the u.s. election
or knew about it. ordered the hack. the cia and the fbi now say they are in agreement that this happened and that the intent was at least partially, probably to help donald trump. this is a significant moment. >> there -- in a year of many significant moments this is a very significant one. i don't know how much lit do to quell the concerns from people including democrats as to why the president didn't address this more forcefully before the election and the white house answered and said they didn't want to look like they were meddling. it also sets up a point of conflict between obama and trump with whom he's gotten along pretty well. i think he was asked when they had last spoken he said not for a couple of days. there's been an enormous hunkering down within his orbit about this not saying anything different. he genuinely believes based on everyone spoken to him that this
is an effort to delegitimatize him in some way. there are people around him who don't think that is going to be sustainable past monday. >> what does donald trump say about this now that president obama has said that putin did it? >> first of all, as i listen to president obama tonight and he's very, very careful in his words. he said that there was hacking into the dnc and and john podesta's e-mails. >> i don't know why that matters. >> it matters -- >> hang on. he stood up and said i can't confirm that there was this hack that ordered at the senior levels of the russian government. he confirmed that exactly. then he said not much happens in russia without vladimir putin knowing about it. >> if i was a lawyer you said mr. president, you said dnc and john podesta specifically. yet you sort of made it sound
like tlerp interfering with the election in general -- >> intimately involved with the election -- >> -- my question would be though is if it were such an issue. say not a misdemeanor but a felony level. why would you just grab mr. putin at a g 20 conference in september and say cut that out? it would have been far more forceful to say listen, meet me in geneva. we're going to do have an international investigation. get out of our election and don't interfere with anybody else's. but to say i pulled putin aside and said cut it out. he must have not thought it was that serious. >> first, donald trump, he is the president elect. does he need to say something on this subject? >> i think he's going to let the house intelligence communities, evan nunez, richard burr. he's going let the process go through and right now he has to focus on getting his team in position. there is a narrative about delegitimatizing his election. and it was the recount.
it was the electoral college, the targeting after the electoral college so they won't vote. the electors won't go. he didn't win the popular vote. so there is politics in this thing. the cia did not go to the house intelligence which i find to be outrageous -- >> lindsay graham, they are not trying to deligz the election right now. they say we want hearings. let's get to the cut it out comments. e cut it out is what i say to them in the back of the car when i want them to stop fighting. it doesn't sound like the thing you say when a foreign entity is trying to hack into your election system. >> i have to agree with you. if the president did in fact say cut it out it is not anywhere near as forcefully said as it should have been. i have to address this delegitimatizing point. donald trump's election in my mind is far from legitimate at this point. i have ever issue with the world
that the fact that hillary clinton gets closer and closer every day to a three million vote lead against donald trump. i have every wish the fact that electors feel like they can't in some instance in good conscientious support this man as president. i have every issue with the world that the intelligence community is questioning the legacy legitimacy of this election. -- >> -- >> hold on. i am questioning the legitimacy of it. i don't care what they are saying. i am -- i am questioning it because there are a variety of factors at this point now that have severely impacted our democracy. and i care about people's participation beyond this leb. and the fact that we have -- it has been so compromised it is a tremendous challenge. i don't know how we -- >> just to be clear president obama was asked directly if he believed the russians hacked into the vote counting?
>> i understand that. >> he flat out said no. the president made a point of saying that. >>[chatter]. >> i was just saying that nobody is saying that the russians hacked into every voting machine, changed the vote totals, etc. i do think this is a concern here and i know you probably want to speak to this. i just am surprised to hear republicans minimizing it. listen, here is the deal. democrats might want to make hay out of this. might want to jump up and down. that shouldn't be your concern. you are the governing party. you have both the house, the senate and the white house. you have to be above all that. and say i don't care if democrats or smur ofs or anybody else wants to make a big deal about it. it is a big deal to me. >> -- also hypocritical. >> -- one, the russians hacked the united states. doesn't matter democrat or republican it's inexcusable and should be encountered. >> do you know who hasn't said?
president elect hasn't said anything about it. >> i fully expect that to be his response. i think he's going to let it play out. let the investigation take place with congress. and what happened was inexcusable. equally inexcusable is for my colleague to question the legitimacy of the election when president obama, when homeland secretary jay johnson came out and said no vote was tampered with. and every vote was cast was counted and counted accurately. this is a legitimate election. if you have a problem with the electoral college which has existed for all of time you can take that up on a separate day and place. this is a legitimate question and no one should question donald trump is the president elect because he's there fairley. >> i will do whatever i want to do and what i'm saying is that i do believe this is legitimate for a lot of reasons. include the fact that the intelligence communities says that our electoral process was tampered with. i have ever right to say -- i'm
not finished. i'm just responding as john is allowing me too. i have every issue with the electoral college and i have since before this election. it does not speak for me. i am not supporting a system that was built on the backs of my ancestors who were slaves. i'm not here for it. ski can say i'm going to fight against this system. that is my right. and no that guy is not my president. >> it is not your right to say the intelligence agrees with you because they don't -- >> and the intelligence community always said -- listen to it tonight. e only said that there was interference on dnc e-mails and john podesta. now too much. too far. but that -- >> you guys are both creating these straw men on the sides here. you know, john podesta is part of -- if they hacked into john podesta's e-mails, they hacked into the elections. on the other side, the straw man you are creating is the idea that somehow it delegitimatizes
the whole thing smz something president obama has said no no no. the election was fair and square at least in terms of the vote counting here. >> say a couple of things here. just bear with me. here is the thing. it is going to be a very, very difficult couple of years if we don't see some signals that the president elect is listening to all americans. you do have americans who say -- who are not saying what you are saying, sir. who say, listen, if you hack into the chair of a campaign for the purpose of disrupting it, that isn't a small deal. that is a big deal -- >> >>[chatter]. >> don't go over there. you don't like this president anyway, president obama. so don't go hiding behind him. -- >> white house in october. >> -- governing party and this is going to be a big concern. you shouldn't be worried about what obama did or whatever. you have to have the confidence
of all americans and this is going to be an issue for you. >> wait, plan on what you are going to say. did the president go far enough? the president elect donald trump is about to speak. will he address this as kayleigh mcenany wants him to on the latest developments? will he says the russians should not hack into the system. and later donald trump's election effort turned campaign dollars into revenue for his businesses. the question is was it legal? was it right? we're going to investigate when 360 continues.
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president obama made it plain today russian hacking cannot defeat this country. he said in so many words only we can do that to ourselves, in part he said by putting partisansh partisanship above the national interest. the cyberattack seems to have sharpened the president's focus on this. some of it coming out another times directed to both parties. >> there was a survey some of you saw -- now this is just one poll but a pretty credible source -- 37% of republican voters approve of putin. over a third of republican voters approve of vladimir putin. the former head of the kgb.
ronald reagan would roll over in his grave. and where democrats are characterized as coastal, liberal, latte sipping, you know, politically correct out of touch folks, we have to be in those communities. and i've seen that when we are in those communities, it makes a difference. that is how i became president. >> all right. we should note the pole president obama was citing there is not one cnn considers to be high quality. however his point there arianna are s where are the republicans who are so traioutraged at ever little thing russia does? now all of a sudden they don't seem to care so much. >> if you take the pole if it is
accurate you see some of donald trump's conservative republican influence on the voters. and we'll see if it continues through the presidency. there were a couple of problematic things i think with the president. first they meted in the campaign. and the other is he didn't act before the election because it would have been perceived ads political. i don't think it is any less political now that it's being played out after the election. so i don't buy that as an excuse for why there was no action beforehand. and the full-time thing is that he now has to hand this over to donald trump. and i do think has tremendously important what donald trump says about this and what his posture is towards it. and it could tremendously impact whether some of his nominees are confirmed or not. first and foremost rex tillerson as secretary of state. >> what about the cut it out
phrase? what about the not getting upset earlier on? the no drama obama. aren't there times where you should be drama? where mr. cool should get angry? >> yeah and that whole spock thing. you know, when you love it, you love it a lot. and when you countdon't you don. he does have that just undisturbablely cool and that was a big source of comfort in 2008. and you get the anecdote and not the same thing over they say. i don't understand why the president didn't make a bigger deal about this. but i do think if he had made a big deal about it, some of the republican whose now are saying he should have might have found it unwelcome. i think we have to be honest here. hey putin is trying to steal the election and give to it hillary
clinto clinton. i think he gets put in those situations too often also. >> kayleigh. you were a giant fan of ronald reagan. what about the criticism of some republicans who are choosing to believe vladimir putin instead of the american intelligence officials. >> it's it hypocritical. obama 2009 at a breakfast at putin's residence said i'm aware of the extraordinary work you have done on behalf of the russian people and the opportunity to work together. putin invaded georgia. and this is his words. obama s obama is an academic.
and his theory was i'm going to try at all cost and he tried it and failed. trump has the same disposition. where obama is academic, trump is a realist. and you are going to have behind the scenes of a u.s. campaign -- >> is it crossing the line? >> yeah. it should be redressed and i think the trump administration needs to be very careful of the first words they have on it. they will be asked on day one and they need to be very measured how they respond. >> you have been covering donald trump for a long time. and have been weighing in consistently whether a we'll see a new or not donald trump. >> there have been many repeated promise of pivots and we heard this at many points and there was a window during the -- i guess when he basically captured the nomination in may when it seemed as if he was poised to
run a different poinl somewhat different tie kind of campaign and work traditional. that did not happen. trump is very clear to what he thinks. he has not held a press conference since july when he says jokingly russia hacking into the hillary clinton's server. he said on twitter either today or yesterday i've lost track why wasn't this raised before the election. it was raised before the election. >> october 7th. >> there is a difference between whether the president said what he said today and to van's point there are people who wish he had done more sooner although there are clearly reasons why he did but it was wrong to say this is not before that. it was. and he's now at the point where he is the president elect and this is pretty unprecedented where he's openly just rejected the vast majority of the intelligence communities view. you could say it was just dnc and john podesta. that is who was hacked. the information was disseminated in as wide a way and long a way
and leaked out in as deliberate a way as day by day as possible. >> let me -- >> we got a lot more to go. i will get to it. coming up strong words from hillary clinton's campaign chief about the fbi. saying their they are big response to the scandal showing the something is deeply broken at the bureau picture
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the "new york times" laid out the timeline of events for 2015. in an on ed john podesta writes he was surprised to read that fbi didn't physically send to an agent to warn officials. he writes, "comparing the fbi's massive response to the overblown e-mail scandal with a seemingly lactic acidal response to the very real russian plot shows something is deeply broken at the fbi." evan you first broke your reporting as far back as the summer. so is john podesta right that the fbi didn't respond seriously? >> you know i think it is not as simple as that. i think the fbi could have done some things better. for instance, they could have gone just down the street and knocked on the door. what they did do over a period of months is reached out 11
times. we're told they did reach out to the dnc's general counsel. and offered to do a table top exercise, a briefing, to show how this works. they declined. you have to remember at this point the fbi is also doing the investigation of the hillary clinton e-mail server. and i think the context here is that the dnc didn't really want the fbi inside looking at their computers, raising some serious concerns about that. so i think that also is what caused some of the misunderstanding. >> it was more than just reaching out to the i.t. people. >> definitely more than that. >> however podesta and others point out the fbi had people in denver in person investigating the hillary clinton server situation. so why if you have people not walking down the street? >> right. and again two different types of cases. in one, the clinton e-mail
investigation, she was the target of a criminal probe, and her staff also the targets of those investigations. and in those cases there is concern you might destroy evidence. so you send agents in person to get the evidence in their hands. in this case as a victim of a crime, you are knocking on the door and telling them what you should be looking for and they seem to be rejected you. and this is the imagine the fbi is getting. and it took until april and they finally found what was happening behind the scenes. >> thank you so much. plenty more to talk about. you heard evans reporting there saying the john podesta letter about the op ed is a little
overblown. the fbi did reach out several times, albeit not in person. but should the fbi in your mind have done more? >> i think in your mind the overall conduct of what they did is not that bad. they made some mistakes. but we you will do that. what i can't really understand is why they talk so much about it. those three letters from comey and so forth. they puzzle me and weaken the position in the debates with the discussion. but if you look back in what they did and tried to investigate they may have slipped up a bit here and there but i feel generally responsible. >> phil? >> on the surface this looks simple, of course. and i would agree with this, the fbi should have been gone down the street in washington d.c. and had a face-to-face conversation with them. but as he points out.
these are two cases. the investigation into hillary clinton and the e-mails. and in this case a warning essentially to tell a private entity in the united states "be careful." there is one other thing you have to think about here. think about cnn. if you and i work here, john. if you have multiple calls in cnn from the fbi being concerned. you would hopefully they would respond to those calls and have some concern on both sides. but i agree with the director. i think this is being overskplad simplified a bit. >> at this bit, there have been a number of releases today, do you believe it was russia behind the hack of the dnc and john podesta. >> the russians have this thing called lying and thousands on people that work on photo
shopping things and fiddling with data and they go after all sorts of institutions. they go after the catholic church. they go after jews, aibt semitic tones to what they do. they go after democratic political parties in europe. and there are just lots of behavior patterns on the russians on things like this that are extremely troubling. did they go further and use computers to do something effective this last time around? it looks like they may have tried but not succeeded. and what we have to worry about is what our weakens are in that dimension. so one thing we've absolutely got to do is get a way from having a quarter of our voting machines be touch screen only and not have anybody backup. and those changes were e made
in -- >> director -- to be clear what the fbi and cia are saying is that the russians did more than try to hack into the campaign. they hacked into the dnc. into john podesta's e-mail. they didn't hack into the actual voting machines and voter counted. but at a minimum they hacked into the dnc and john podesta. that is getting into this campaign. the one person who hasn't said he agrees with it yet is president elect donald trump. isn't it important for him to address this head on? >> he can address it as he sees fit. what you don't want is if that are to occur. but the way to stop is not to say cut it out or anything like that. the way to do it is to go after their weakness. and their weakness is oil and gas. the fact that that is really all their economy does. so if we come up with substitutes for petroleum
products, say gasoline at the pump, so everyone can drive on something else like methanol or electricity or both. then you have a real opportunity to have the russian government sit up and take notice and you don't have to do a dang gone thing about what you are doing. you can do it and smile at them. >> at a minimum on this alleged russian hack into the campaign. and at worst he says maybe the intelligence officers talking about it have political moeflgss here. what is the effect of the president elect not at least at a minimum accepting some of the reporting from the intelligence officers? >> this is not acceptable. this is not about reviewing the election. it is not about a controversy about who won the election. that was president elect donald trump. looking forward as president elect he has the responsibility of representing american voters, going to the presidential
election in 2020. look at what's happened in eastern europe. look at what the baltic states about russian intervention in their own affairs via the digital sphere, and they will tell you the same thing that we saw during this election. the russians are aggressive in intervening in their own elections. looking forward the president elect should not be focused on what happened in november. he should be saying how do we work with the white house now and how do we protect americans in four years? >> exactly. >> his joke about the white house and the president the past month is just painful. move forward. >> thanks so much for being with us. president elect trump's choice for ambassador to israel a bankruptcy lawyer with hard line views on israel. so what does this mean for decades of economic policy in the middle east ? when it comes to healthcare,
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trump moved to make good on a campaign promise. >> we will send a clear signal that there is no daylight between america and our most reliable ally, is it state of israel. >> by appointing the hard line friedman as ambassador trump could be signaling plans to reverse decades of u.s. policy towards israel. freedman has no experience in diplomacy. he strongly supports legalizing sett settlements and annex in the west bank. as long as the palestinians are unwilling to renounce violence against israel or recognize israel's right to exist as the jewish state. >> i'm reminded the line from dorothy of oz. the issue is issues that have been attributed to him that
clearly contradict decades of u.s. foreign policy. >> we will move the american embassy to the eternal capital of the jewish people, jersem. >> in a statement friedman said he looked forward to doing his job for the u.s. embassy in u.s.'s eternal capital jerusalem. >> the law provides the application can be waived at the desire of the state department. the reaction from donald trump is going to be do you know what guys? you're all fired. >> reporter: for decades they have argued the status of jerusalem which only be settled as part of a peace deal. current and former diplomats say donald trump is running counter to his professed desire making what he called the ultimate deal
between israelis and palestinians. because it raises serious doubt about whether the u.s. can continue to be a broker in mid east peace talks in the future. thank you. joining me now my panel. david friedman's positions on israel, he stated very publicly, very strongly. very different from the u.s. policy for the last several years. >> his stated positions are different from every u.s. position, republican or democrat, since the west bank was annexed in 1967. the united states under republican and democrat administrations has never recognized the legitimacy of that. what it means is a more
interesting question. the two state solution was going nowhere. israel holds all the cards. right now there is no appetite. the palestinians are divided %-p ground it makes that much difference. it is true however that it sends a rather strange signal. because the views are pretty extreme. and it is not just the issue of the two-state solution and annexations of the west bank. he's referred to all as the nazi whose assisted in the camps. and he's called barack obama an anti-semiite. and this is tough stuff.
and i can't imagine it would look that gong. >> what do you make of friedman's policy positions? not speaking out in favor of the two state solution. wants to move the embassy to jerusalem. do you think this will have an impact? >> i break that down into two different issues. moving the embassy to jerusalem is long overdue. congress called for it in 1995 and every presidential candidate says they are going to do it and then they don't. so this is a breath of fresh air. maybe some momentary upset about that but i guarantee in a year -- in a year from now nobody will be talking about moving the embassy away from jersem. jerusalem is the capital. it just makes sense that our embassy and one of our closest allies would be in their capital. i don't see any issue there. on his views, i wouldn't worry about that either. because the policy is going to be set by the president. it is going to be set by the secretary of state. and i'm sure that friedman will carry out the policy --
>> doesn't it send a message though when it appointed bast tore israel. ambassador to israel isn't just any country. what kind of message does he send? >> i think the best message here is the one of close friendship with israel. because friedman is very very close to the president. to the president elect. so he's going to have donald trump's ear. and they are sending a message to israel that we care about them. we're not going to have any of this needless friction that we had between the obama administration and the netanyahu government. and i disagreed with fareed on the effect of the arabs. there is going to be some discomfort. but the saudis are really concerned about one thing and one thing only and that is the rise of iran in the region. so the saudis are going to read this as a little bit zushing on one level. but on another level they are going to see the united states
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one look at the number poultried this from the trump campaign, he was in a unique position to take millions of campaign dollars and turn them into corporate revenue, how it is possible leads to the second, is it legal. answers now from senior cnn correspondent drew griffin when breaks it down dollar by dollar. >> his air plane company $8.7 million. hotels and golf courses $1.4 million. more than $200,000 went to trump restaurants and food services all that money came from donald trump's own campaign. a cnn analysis with reports with the federal election commission shows during his 18 month
presidential campaign donald trump paid $12.5 million to donald trump's own businesses. who else gots the money? well trump corporation, trump tower and pay roll $2.2 million. >> i don't think we've seen another campaign like this where someone has run so much of their campaign through their own businesses. and in a way that's really hard to tell exactly what the money was spent on. >> like many other things about the trump campaign, larry noble calls the expenditures unique. who else can charter their own 757, houses campaign stan many his own 5th avenue office building and even run up $32,000 tab to his son's wine company and essentially pay himself back through his own campaign. legal, yes? ethical, sort of. >> if he did it legally, it's not wrong. if he did it legally and was during the ordinary course of business, then you have to say that he's allowed to do that.
if he was doing it to make a profit off of it and he charged more than he was supposed to have charnled than have charged then there's a problem. >> that's hard to tell, not regularly enforced so who will out if that $94 coffee tab was extreme. or one expensive blt or 30 sandwiches, we'll never know. don't blame trump congress sets the rules when it comes to campaign spending those rules require little if any details. drew griffin cnn atlanta. much more ahead including president-elect trump message in orlando and key message from president obama.
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