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>> save the one planet that we got. will president-elect trump cancel it or make the case why he should not. and can cities go their own way? the mayor of los angeles, the biggest city and the biggest state in the union on the power of the nation's mayors to resist and encounter trump on immigration and climate change and much else. finally, a last look at aleppo. >> you bare responsibility for these entravelociocities. the president-elect trump signal that he wants to be tough on china. china is for the most part
comfortable with the american led international system. russia is trying to up end it. >> our number one go political foe, russia is our number one foe. we were wrong and romney was right. obama's rational was that russia was a regional power and wanted an economic supply. it is an accurate picture of russia's position which is only gotten worse since 2012. the country's economy has shrunk for two years now. state's spending have risen from 35% to a staggering 70%. the country's sovereign debt is rated as junk.
most ambitiously and devastatingly, its found a way to leverage its strength using cyber power. >> finally in the united states during the last presidential campaign. in each case, moscow directed a full spectrum strategy including hacking and trolling and fake news and counter intelligence aimed at discredited and targeted politicians and sbeer fe interfering with campaigns and tilting elections. nato's former commander, noted that some of moscow growing offense efforts are of complexity of the european continents have not seen since the end of world war ii.
china is some measures of the world's largest economy. and its total is over $3 trillion. many people have assumed that given this enormous arsenal strength china will assert itself politically. it has done so in chinese asia. china is comfortable with the world in which it has grown with and where it is over turning a global system where it is integrated whether on climate change or peace keeping. china is willing to play a constructive role than ever before. e a it makes extensive use of tactics but it has not so far
engage in anything destabilizing to under mind the order itself. china viewed the world has been b beningh. and russia has been humiliated every since. his goal appears to be over turn the american created international order even if this means chaos. the question is, why would an american president-elect helps putin achieve that goal. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my column this week and lets get started.
russia has dominated america's headlines this week in a way it was not seen since it was the soviet union. first, the cia contention and russia leaking of the dnc hack was done to boost trump's chances and increasing ties in russia. rex tillerson, the nominee for secretary of state. he was awarded the order of friendship by putin. are we on the brink of a change of america's ealliances and policy towards russia. joining me, and former deputy of the cia and now is an analyst.
he's the editorial chief of russia and global affairs and a foreign policy voice of moscow. anne, let me begin with you, you live in poland and europe, can you see what rush shab's strategies over the last two or three years particularly with regard -- its involvement in the cyber operation abroad. >> thanks, fareed, it is not two or three years ago, it goes back longer than that. russia has a consistent pattern going back a decade of attempting to intervene and shape its neighbors elections through propaganda and buying influence but also interestingly and more recently through the use of internet trolls and social media campaigns that
caught many people unaware of. there is been a rushing impact on a number of other elections and essentially europe. the most extraordinary example how this works was the russian campaigned accompanied and followed the russian invasion of crimea. it was an enormous information as well as being a military operation. that he sent out signals and denied what was happening and sent out trolls to give a picture of what was going on. the russians attempt to use information and particular to use social media to shape the policies of other countries. the most recent example of the u.s. election campaign was following a pattern they used before and that's hacking the politicians and publishing information in an attempt to sway and shape election campaigns.
they have done it in the united states and they do it now in germany and elsewhere. >> you have worked at the cia and fbi, how does this strike you? >> this strikes me of what we saw for years, and foreign government and particular of the russians and chinese and getting in the u.s. system and including the white house and extracting massive volume of data. that goes back years the beginning of those technical operation is. it highlights an important point here that we have seen in the past week. and to acquire information to affect the environment. the conversation on a softer subject, why did they interseed. the issue of intercediing by the
russians and allowing the intelligence to be so confidence ascertaining who did this operation before the election. >> a lot of experience here. >> i want you to respond to what you heard but also what i want to ask you is what you have been very frank of your writing is that russia a sense of revision of power and offset the international order. russia sees its sboubordinants d again according to russia, is it temporary position that the west is trying to make permanent. is it fair to look at these operations and say, russia is trying to append the
international order because it is unjust to moscow's place in the world? >> the international order which you mentioned does not exist anymore. and, it is not because of russian activities. many people in moscow would be pleased to hear what is being called and mentioned just now about enormous impact, russia has on political systems in europe and the united states. i am afraid in fact, it is not that powerful. what happens now the international system or in particular countries, election results unexpected results for votes and so son. this is a product of decline of polls. this is -- we failed actually. as for russians attempt to
flounce the country, we are living in an open world where anybody big or small countries are are vulnerable to any outside influences. in this way, the result of openness which came with communication and revolution and with the soviet work and the disadi disappearance of our country. >> when we come back, i am going to ask steve comb of what he makes all of this and what washington can do to response to russian's actions.
we are back. steven comb, what do you make of russia's moves over the last few years, what of russia's strategy? >> i have to say in my 40 years of doing and thinking about this. i have never seen anything like this. we are at the moment by whatever name in the cold war of russia more dangerous than the last one. as we talked, it is a confrontation fought with the possibility of hot war from the ukraine to syria.
the russians are trying to steal our election and there is a pattern in europe and here where the russians are through cyber what if invading us. the most reputable newspaper in the country are referring t to -- and saying we need to find russ russia's friends. discussing allegations for which, not a whole lot of factualconfirmations. it puts us in a lot of crisis. it could cripple the president who cannot pursue whatever he wants to do with putin because he's going to be seen as a puppet for putin. >> trump said something that
nobody else says, would it be great to cooperate are hurussia. i strongly believe that a lot of these allegations floating around are the enemies. senator mccain discrediting not only putin but trump and making it impossible. that would be bad for america. >> is it worth having a new detente. >> i would like to coat what steven cohen said. we don't know that putin went to crimea, we literally don't know. he's somebody that refused to believe that russia invaded foreign country aies and russia hacking other countries. his refusal to believe that is part of a pattern. i think you will find and if you look at not just what the cia
says but with several independent group says and you can loisten to the german intelligence service as well, you will discover that the hacking isra real and it is happening. we have been surprised by it and have not been response to it. there is been no real response and action and nothing has been taken. on the contrary what we have seen as a pattern of really extraordinary taking new forms that we are not used to. we have no american responsibility what so ever. >> so what should the response be, how does one respond to something like this? >> there is a question of whether we look at what happened during the election and how we response with sanctions, we'll step back as a new president coming in, you got to deal with
russia on the security counsels and think of the iran sanctions and where the people we like are losing. and what's happening in aleppo, that's as failure in america. the question is not how we reset based on whapts wit happens in election. we got to figure out how to make this work with putin. >> let pe ame ask you, is it possible to imagine a situation with russia where the united states under president trump or any president would cut deals like this, could have a constructive policy on iran and syria and yet there will be areas of disagreements or again, i go back to your article which i thought was frank and honest, no, russia wants to bring down this international order because we regarded as fundamentally
legitimate and one which we relegated to a second rank status. >> it is rather the rejection of many other countries and people inside leading western states which is being manifested in the elections and results which is a problem. i cannot imagine constructive work between mr. putin and trump on certain areas. syria will be one of those because everything we heard from trump about syria and assad is actually that he perceives syria less important for u.s. national interests than anything else. i cannot imagine constructive work in iran because of mr. trump's rhetoric which is utterly aggressive which is not a perception of this.
the biggest problem between trump and putin and it may be syria's problem for mr. trump who used to say that he can make better deals. he seems to believe that he cannot convince putin to aban n abandon -- and getting russians on board or to work together with russia and counter china. i don't think it is realistic to expect. and it maybe a big disappointment for mr. trump. what is most important with trump is not his position on russia. most important is that he believ believes that america should not be in charge of the cold war and try to transform everybody else. this is, of course, what russia would like. >> steve cohen. >> yeah, i don't like to slur
applebaum. i think american policy has been catastrophic and led us to this dangerous moment. we need to rethink our policy to russia. it is not the expansion of nato. >> imagine if chinese, russian artillery can hit washington, the country is more hysterical than it is. >> they can hit many western capitols. >> lets talk about the united states. that is debate among ourselves. florida has his fight in moscow. trump while i did not support him is an opportunity to rethink american policy. u.s.
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this week, president-elect trump appointed rick perry for secretary of energy. this makes many people nervous that trump would make good on his campaign promise to withdraw from the paris agreement. the climate change reached over 200 countries. the president elect has been meeting with al gore and leonardo dicaprio. >> i am still open minded. nobody really knows. i am somebody that gets it and nobody really knows it. >> what's the best case that dicaprio or gore can make to
donald trump. i ask fred rcrump and matt cohe for the best argument they would make. it starts with the economy, according to the renewable agency, the u.s. solar industry created jobs that are rate twelve times faster than the economy is a whole last year. a report says in the u.s., there are now more job in solar energy alone than in all of oil and natural gas extractions. mr. trump has said that he's going to create 25 million new jobs. i would say clean energy jobs are good paying and growing companies in an industry of the future.
the rest of the world is moving fast to a low-carb economy. china is the biggest employer when it come to renewable energy of 3.5 million jobs. clean energy technologies are and increasingly be a huge opportunity for the country that develops and build them. selling the best technology and product and energy to all in the world. that's why some 365 american corporations and investors sent a letter to trump last month employing him to stick to the paris deal. pulling out of paris is complicated and messy. article 28th of the agreement says countries can withdraw but not until four years of the dpree agreement. that means the potential withdraw date is november 2020. when donald trump's first
presidential term would be coming to a close. lets not forget the most powerful force of all of this topic, mother nature. without action, the earth will continue its warming trend which could have unpredictable and dangerous effects for humani beings. over 800 earth science and energy experts wrote donald trump an open letter this month urging him to take action on climate change, shifting to clean energy is good for the environment and good for jobs and international corporations. when donald trump falls sick, assuming that happens, he listen to an expert to call a doctor. when he builds a building, he follows the plans and follow with experts and calls engineers. on this issue, i hope he listens and making america great as a
donald trump talks about deporting millions of undocumented immigrants and children. donald trump talks about cancelling u.s. participation in the paris climate change dpre t agreement. a group of mayors asked him to accept and embrace that agreement. can america stand up to trump and should they? >> joining me now is the city's mayor of los angeles. here with me is benjamin barbara and the author of the book titles "if mayors rule the
world." let me start with you. you have a piece in the nation where you argue that cities can counter the power of president-elect trump. how can they do it? >> here is the reality today. after 400 years of nation states of the primary instruments whether it is the economy of world peace or security, increasingly, nations really becoming dysfunctional way before trump and brexit. this as border independence and sovereign bodies that they cannot deal with all the problem that is we face whether it is immigration or the global economy. trump talks about global economy and the loss of jobs but no one nation can control that. increasingly it is not nation states but cities are taking up the slack. cities have pragmatic.
terrorism and they attack cities and those are city speedomet responsibilities and now we see in england with brexit and in the united states with trump. it increasingly is going to fall for jobs and i even talked about the concept of sovereignty nc. t in the place of national government either cannot or won't do it. how would this work and given that when you look at trump's vote, it was in large part of rule backlash against urban america. he won the rural vote big and clearly there was a sense of resentment. when you talk to him, was he making nice? >> we had a productive conversation. we spoken three times.
i think we have a shared agenda whether it is in suburban areas or rural areas. i don't have time to demonize, i have to fix roads and build public transportations. i have to reduce traffic in my city. i cannot pick and choose and allowed to be here, our great strengths have been the migrants the immigrants that are the backbone of our economy and security here in los angeles. we had a good conversation with those things but it cuts the core of how cities will move androga an agenda forward. he's a city resident and he understands how city meets that structure. he will see the economic arguments as well as the moral ones and why it is so important to continue our society. >> what i am struck by is and so clearly and feels of immigrants of a vibrant part of the city.
yet, there is this reaction. it looks like a sea of red and of sliver of blues. they have like something of 55% of the population. >> and produce 8% of the weight and 95% of the university and 99% of the patents. that's your way across the world and that's not just true in the united states. cities are the life blood, they are the fuel and the engine of the economy. they are what makes this country run. farmers are great. suburbs are fine. we got to all work together. no question about that. the division is not making war on the suburbs of the countryside. voters how they are feeling resentment of the city because of people of colors and because minorities and because they are immigrants and muslims. he's right to say the first job
of the mayor with a new president will have a party the new president that says we'll not tolerate sanctuary cities. if that happens, mayors are going to have to be ready to say not just we are going to work with you mr. president but we are not going to let you do certain things. mayor deblasio says two weeks ago at a remarkable speech, he said, if the feds come and try to remove immigrants, we'll resist. if the feds come and try to register, muslims, we'll not comply. if the feds come and try to take away the rights of women, we'll not let that happen. >> are you being played or will
you you resist? >> we are prepared. here and throughout our city, i offered the letter to our president-elect trump on climate change, we are not going to be held back no matter what you do. i am still buying electrical cars. we don't have to luxury to publicize these things. we'll stand up for the values that are american values. my city is 63% of immigrants. i am the grandson of a dreamer who came across the border of mexico without any documents. now, i am the mayor of the largest city and the largest state of the union. when we invest in immigrants we get more economic prosperity. i think we are going to say that loudly and clearly to any threat against that and not just across
the nation but across the world. and in france, i was with the mayor in france when we came together to speak about the importance of fighting climb change because we are the ones that's dealing with it. we'll stand up and look for areas of collaboration, we cannot be weak at this moment and stand together and defiant our country. >> mayor garcetti, you are great. >> thank you, in a couple of years. next on gps, speaking of those areas, vice president biden says his party fell so poorly because they over look them. but thanks to fingerhut.com, now you can shop over 700,000 items from brand names like samsung, rachael ray and fisher price. happy holidays to me. all you gotta do is click on over to fingerhut.com
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i want you to take a look at a chart that's flying around the internet. it shows the loss of seats that democratic saw between 2008 and 2016. it is stunning. there are 10% fewer seats in the senate. and in a standing 35% fewer governor ship than eight years ago. what went wrong with america's party. joining me now is thomas frank. whatever happens to the party of the people and dowel malloy.
>> tom, let me start with you of your analysis of the party that you outlined in many books are simple. the democratic party became a party of professionals who worry all kinds of things like lifestyle and cultural issues and environmental issues and focus on the white working class. i guess the question would be what should the message have been that was not articulated. >> one of the big problems and one of the reasons that hillary's message did not resonate because people did not believe her. she had on paper and all sorts of great ideas. you look at the environment that she's coming into. look, we have been fighting over the same thing for a while over this country and we elected obama eight years ago to deal
with the same issues and long story short, he didn't do it. he was not there on a lot of the most important things. and, -- >> specifically what? >> there is a lot of things leading to mind is getting tough with wall street. that's the main failure of that one. many things that you think of in hindsight like he should have done, re-negotiating nafta which he wanted to do back in 2008. you remember this in the debate with hillary. he's going to come down on agricultural monopoly and you think of how it will help him in these rural areas and make it easy to form a labor union and that would have been huge of what we see unfolding. >> governor, the argument that you know, the democratic party
needs to be more populous and left wing and more caution about trade, is that is the thoughts forward? >> i think it is part of the path or the discussion. i don't think we spoke to a lot of our former supporters. we did not reach out to them properly, i think. we also are up against quite a phenomenon if you think about mr. trump's trajectory. but, i think and i absolutely adpr agree that we need to talk about issues that's important to people. >> should be tougher on trade and perhaps against trade and against nafta and much tougher on wall street. what i wonder and i saw you quoted saying, well, you know, lets got forget that we have a modern professional of voters who may get turned off by this. >> i do think we need to change how we speak to folks and we need to be less washington
centric and -- it is an interesting difference, if you think about who speaks the democrats in the media, it is from new york and washington. if you think about who speaks to republicans, it is a guy in basement studio down in florida and it is a guy in wisconsin and a couple of guys in nevada, we have to reach out and reach beyond our comfort level, perhaps to speak to people in terms that are important to them. >> tom, let me ask you what tri strikes you as the biggest tension here. part of what ill naalienated of white working class, it seems to me is the democratic party has pushed a set of ideas that one could cause liberalism as you will, gay marriage and gay rights and issues like global
warming. i don't think you can have it both ways? >> you cannot though. >> give people the bread of bank regulations and they'll be satisfied. >> well, it is a little more than that. you go to the small town that were mentioned and these places, i was just out in rural missouri the other day. these towns looked like a neutron bomb went off in them. the main street is all boarded up and young people leave and as soon as they graduate from high school. the main industry is methamphetamine. it is a disaster zone in all over america. we know why it is happening. the democrats who were once upon the time the traditional voice of those people are not helping them out. i don't think you need to throw the cultural issue and i am a strong liberal on the cultural issue that you just mentioned. i don't think you need to throw
those things over board to help them out. you have to do both. >> i agree, we have to do both and we have to do both by getting the people inside. when donald trump told everyone that they were in more danger than they have ever been. nearly crime is at an all time low. >> in my own state, we have a 50 years low in crime and violent crime going down in 23% in the last three years. to listen to donald trump talking about that democrats did not have anything to show but higher crimes. quite frankly, we have a party and the republican party, the trump republican party, i am not sure if the old republican party still exists but based on convincing people how bad off they are even when they feel good about themselves. >> pleasure to have both of you on. >> next on gps, the world was once again paying attention to
president-elect trump announcement of exxon ceo rex tillerson raised eye brows among democrats and republicans this week. some believe he could be in a tough confirmation in fighting for the senate. when was the last time the senate rejected a cabinet's nomination? >> stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is my book, in defense of a liberal educations. it is in paper back and it will fit in most stockings. the last look, this is the last look at aleppo as the ruin city falls from rebel country in the hands of regime. >> home to the fame of mosques
and many historic buildings dating back to biblical time. it was declared a world heritage site in 1986. now, the city has been utterly destroyed. whole neighborhoods are bombed out and the remains looking like a post -- much of the world is immune from seeing these shocking scenes playing out in television. here in america, we pay far more attention to donald trump's every tweet. >> a passionate speech, taking aim at russia and syria and iran saying that you bear responsibility for these atrocities. she continues. >> are you truly encapabincapab
shame. is there really literally nothing that can shame you? is there no act of barbarism? >> we all stood witness and we all did so very little. this holiday season, i urge you to take some action. donate to charities like the international rescue community and mercy core whose aid workers are risking their lives to offer what assistance they can to the desperate men and women of syria. any amount no matter how small, makes a difference. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is b. the u.s. senate last rejected a cabin cabinet nomination in 1989 when george h.w. bush nominated shawn tower as secretary of defense.
it was the first rejected by the senate in 30 years. trump's nominees may face tough questions in the senate. history shows that it is rare to reject a nomination. thanks for being apart of my program today. i will see you next week. it is time for reliable sourc sources. how the media really works, i am brian stelter. this hour of dc's new political odd couple, president trump and the press of trump aids rethinking daily briefings and josh earnest and the white house correspondence association ars both here with reactions and the rise of this information. lets begin with divided america. divided about