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>> thanks for joining us, i'm boris sanchez in for fredericka whitfield. the evacuation of thousands of civilians and rebels trapped by fighting in eastern aleppo is being postponed again over safety concerns. according to syrian state tv buses arrived in the city and were expected to bring people out to neighboring towns but a syrian human rights group reports that plan is now on hold indefinitely. some buses in nearby were burned even before they could reach their pickup points. want to bring in muhammad lila live from the turkish/syrian border. what happened? >> reporter: well, boris, essentially what happened the groups on the ground didn't have security in place to make sure
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it could take place but more getting hurt. there was shooting from one of the militia groups on the ground and they had could cancel the whole operation. today there was actually a bigger development, there were buses set on fire. we have seen that dramatic footage. this is a very stark reminder, that starvation is being used as a weapon in this war, not just by the syrian government but also some of the militant groups on the ground. in this case there are a couple of smaller villages encircled by militants and laid siege to by the militants including elements of al qaeda. as part of this evacuation deal, people in the villages were supposed to be released and at the same time people in eastern aleppo, the rebels and family and as well as civilians were to be released. that release never happened because of buses going to the villages were set on fire. we don't know who set the buses on fire but it did happen in territory where al qaeda has a presence. what may have ended up happening, al qaeda may have tried to sabotage this peace
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agreement and there are rebels in eastern aleppo not happy because this evacuation deal was designed from the outset to save thousands of lives on both sides. >> muhammad, some of the rebels are claiming it's actually iranian militia forces creating delays and problems in trying to get people out of there. why is that? >> reporter: well, it actually shows just how complex the situation is on the ground. this is an asymmetrical war with so many different players on the ground. you have the iranian proxies and militants and among the militants you have so-called moderate opposition, however small they might be and hard core opposition including al qaeda and isis. how on earth can you set up an evacuation plan with all of these varying interests on the ground? not like they are sitting in a conference room taking a vote. these are people with defined interest fighting each other and killing each over. it's difficult to get any kind of consensus.
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it's something they have been pushing for, just give us the security guarantees to get the civilians out of harm's way. and today was a reminder that the guarantees aren't there. >> thank you for keeping an eye on the situation. we'll check in with you later. i want to bring in retired u.s. army major general james maerk, general, why can't these evacuations get going? are they simply lacking political will? >> i think it's more than political will. clearly on the ground you have all of the conflicting interests as was just described very, very well. that have not been aligned and will not be aligned and everybody has a desired outcome that is dissimilar from everybody else. the notion that human suffering
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has to stop and everybody would agree that human suffering is a bad thing simply does not exist. it's a very sad state we're looking at right now where there's no con fluence of interest and no desire reach an instate that makes sense. internationally there are several but not significant options that are at play that might be able to address this. again, it will result in additional destruction on grountd. >> president obama has said syria has been one of the biggest challenges he faced as president. this is what he said on friday. >> responsibility for this brutality lies in one place alone, with the assad regime and its allies, russia and iran. this blood and these atrocities are on their hands. i understand the impulse to want to do something. but ultimately, what i've had to do is think about what can we sustain, what is realistic and i
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continue to believe it was the right approach given what realistically we could get done. >> we've seen the united states essentially lose all leverage in the effort to try to bring peace in syria. there still a role for the united states there now? >> that's a great question. i would suggest the united states always has a role but it is a difficult one to achieve at this point. we gave up the initiative when our president drew a red line, what you should never do in any case but when you draw a red line which is an ultimatum, you follow through. we didn't do that. strategically we gave away the initiative and clearly russia and assad have a relationship that's not going to be challenged at this point. so if we're to acknowledge that assad is not going anywhere, as horrible as that individual is and his regime is and let's not try to put any other type of descriptor on that.
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this is an abomination. he's in power and the resistance diminishing and the new president has indicated he's not going to spend time overthrowing dictators but wants to spend time on trying to defeat isis. those are mutually exclusive, a strongman in the form of assad, backing by putin, that could be sad as it sounds, the only type of path towards if we're going to try towards the destruction of isis if we're significantly focused on getting that done. it is a world that's completely turned upside down right now. >> it is general. i want to bring attention something john mccain said today, he made a case that the failure in syria and hacking of the election essentially by the russian government, that the issues we're having with china in the south china sea illustrated on thursday by the seizure of this unmanned drone,
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this is a pattern of other countries checking the united states power. he sees it as a failure of leadership in the united states. do you see american power weakening abroad? is this a pattern are these separate and unrelated? >> totally unrelated. we have over the course of this president's time allowed american influence to become diminished, sadly and we've not opini been able to establish the strategic initiative in areas we need to. our pivot to asia didn't really exist. our ability to try to influence actions in the middle east, we've been able -- there are some successes and we've been able to hold isis and the geographic location of that caliphate they created in syria and iraq has in fact been able to put pressure on outside and move it in. as a result of that, it's like
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pushing into a balloon and expandses elsewhere and recruiting young men and now we see challenges elsewhere around the world to include north africa and europe and clearly we see it happening in the united states as well. the united states must establish a very strong policy of building alliances and getting alliances to do things so we can accomplish our national security objectives abroad. we can't allow these type of incidents to occur. >> it's going to be fascinating to watch how donald trump -- thank you so much for taking time on this sunday. >> police are battling several gunman in a city south of amman.
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>> some of the harrowing scenes they are watching there, nine people have been killed since the attack began early today. near a medieval castle that's a popular tourist spot. what's the situation there now? >> reporter: well, we're trying to get more information but little information is coming from the jordanian government at this point. it seems to be that this is an ongoing incident as you mentioned in the city. what we do know from the jordanian authorities, they had multishootings and first the city patrol came under fire but it seems the main incident that took place here today was in and around the castle. this is a 12th century crusader castle and one of the main
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tourist sights in southern jordan and several gunmen positioned themselves in a castle on a hilltop overlooking the city. from there they opened fire on a police station nearby, a fire fight ensued and area was cordoned off and they were surrounded by security forces and at least nine people were killed. the majority of them security forces but also civilians and at least one tourist, a ka nad yan woman. the latest we had heard from a special branch of the jordanian police, this is an ongoing operation and what's going on right now is a clearing and combing operation of the castle where they say they have killed a number of these gunmen. right now it is unclear if this is over or if it is currently still going on, boris. >> we know that no group is yet to take responsibility for these attacks, but do you have any
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indication as to who these gunmen might be? >> it's still unclear who's behind this. we heard from the jordanian prime minister while he was adr. he issing parliament, he described this as a group of outlaws and we've heard since then several officials describing this as a terrorist attack. jordan is a key u.s. ally and has been at the forefront against extremism in this region. authorities here have foiled several terror plots over the past year. and i have to stay attacks like this are quite rare in this country. it's a country that really prides itself with its security and stability in the midst of this really tur you lent region. it's still unclear what the motives are or who is behind this attack. >> reporting live from jordan, thanks. an ominous warning from the
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one of the country's most prominent republicans, john mccain told cnn's jake tapper this morning the meddling could be a sign that the world order is unraveling.
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>> the president has no strategy and snow policy as to what to do about these various cyber attacks that have possibly disrupted an american election. we need a select committee. we need to get to the bottom of this. we need to find out exactly what was done and what the implications of the attacks were especially if they had an effect on our election. there's no doubt they were interfering and it was a cyber attacks. the question now is how much and what damage and what should the united states of america do? and so far we've been totally paralyzed. i'm sure that when vladimir putin was told cut it out, unquote, i'm sure that vladimir putin immediately stopped all cyber activity. the fact is they are hacking every single day in other areas of our military and all kinds of
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different aspects of american life that they are able to penetrate. and we have no strategy, nor do we have any policy towards that and it's very disturbing. >> joining me now to talk more about this, a historian and professor at princeton university and cnn political commenta commentator, also a washington correspondent for "the new yorker." without support from donald trump, how far is this investigation going to go? >> well, i mean, not only support from donald trump, trump has not been willing to actually admit what the consensus opinion of our intelligence agencies is and frankly anyone that has just looked at the private sector reporting about this hack, it's very clear when you look at any of the reporting where it came from. it's no mystery. i think there are two things.
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one, the president-elect has not been interested in going along with what the unanimous view is on this and two, you have republicans in congress, john mccain being an important exception who don't really seem interested in setting up a separate select committee the way he does. he wants something high profile committee on the order of the 9/11 commission, something that is independent. a lot of other republicans on the hill want the current intelligence agencies to look into this and you know, without authority of a select committee, we're really not going to have a comprehensive report, comprehensive view of what happened. >> is the hesitation from donald trump and some of his supporters hesitation because they don't want to build a narrative that his presidency might be illegitimate? >> there's two things going on. on donald trump's side, there's clearly been post tour that's
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sympathetic to russia and not interested in increasing hostilities. we've seen this from the cabinet picks and president-elect trump's own words. that is connected to a defensiveness, that this is really about the legitimacy of his victory. and then on the republican side this is polarization, clashes with the responsibilities of congress. many republicans don't want to undercut the distinct advantage they have as a result of this election through a select committee. >> ryan, mccain claims that the russians are hacking the u.s. even now. if that's true, what do you make of mccain's criticism that president obama could have done more? the president says he responded to this in the way he should have, adequately. do you think that's the case? >> from what we know, there's no response except for a public, what they sometimes call name and shame. >> shaming. >> we've identified who it was. although i think the administration might want to put
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out more information and hopefully they will to sort of prove to people who are still skeptical what the source of the hacking was. but it seems like from the reporting that's been done on this that the administration dijerred in the runup about a more forceful response and said that in itself would interfere with the election and since they frankly believed that hillary clinton was going to win, i think they believed they would wait until after the election to do anything. now we're in a situation where the intelligence agencies believe not only that russia did this hacking and essentially propaganda effort, and you're in this very strange situation where the president-elect doesn't believe it was russia. the president is now under pressure from some republicans like mccain to now do something
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and it's very unusual because you would want the situation like this, want the president-elect and president of the united states, outgoing and ingoing presidents to be on the same page about what the united states's response should be to this. they are not there. i find mccain's criticism only of obama a little unusual. i think he's right to ciriticiz for lack of a response. >> do you think mccain should have gone after donald trump more aggressively? >> i think he's going to need to if he's trying to build support for some kind of investigation. ultimately that's the avenue towards investigation, not simply looking back at president obama but examining these connections between a trump administration, between the hacking and between russia. that's the kind of issue that can galvanize even republican support, especially republicans who are never totally comfortable with trump's campaign.
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i think mccain will have to if he's serious at all about pursuing this path. >> and finally, long term, this is a new form of warfare and long term just like the advent of the atomic age, the way we dealt with it was treaties. we need long-term and arms control treaty that deals with cyber war. right now it's the wild west and we don't know what the new rules are yet. >> do you agree very quickly with john mccain that the president has no strategy for cyber warfare? >> i don't think the existing administration has enough of a strategy. i'm sure he has one but given what we've just seen in the election, it has to be more aggressive and forms of retribution have to be thought through. if this was a military attack rather than a cyber attack, the response would be very different of the we'll have to start thinking how to handle it that way. >> thank you for joining us now. we'll see you later this hour. >> thank you. >> next we'll go live to china,
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the country still holding this american underwater drone that it seized from international waters this weekend. on saturday, chinese officials said they would return it. we'll tell you what they are saying today.
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this morning john mccain blasted the seizure of a u.s. underwater drone by china. here's what he said on "state of the union". >> the fundamental here is that the chinese have taken an american vehicle in international waters in gross violation of international law. there's no strength on the part of the united states of america. everybody is taking advantage of it and hopefully that will change soon. >> you might remember donald trump tweeted out this curious thing yesterday, writing we should tell china we don't want the drone they stole back. let them keep it.
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cnn international correspondent matt rivers joins us live from beijing. matt, senator mccain says everyone is taking advantage of perceived weakness in the united states, that there's no strength because of a failure in leadership. what does this say about how the u.s. is viewed by the rest of the world? >> reporter: well, i think first and foremost the chinese would dispute what senator mccain said, they would only take the drone for navigational safety reasons but most experts will tell you they probably took it for a couple of reasons. perhaps they wanted to get their hands on this technology or two they wanted to send a signal by taking it out of the water, they are unhappy with u.s. naval operations in this part of the world. you have people like senator mccain arguing that the chinese took the drone in the first place because of a perceived weakness in foreign policy. but the other side would argue that the chinese were perhaps just lashing out against what they perceive to be u.s. aggression in the south china sea, things like u.s. naval
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ships sailing through contested waters and research ships that launch the kind of drone that got stolen. the chinese regularly accuse the u.s. of using ships to spy on chinese military activity in the region. you have people like senator from arizona saying that the chinese are expanding militarily because of u.s. weakness. on other side there's an argument to be made they are only do so lashing out like this because of a consistent u.s. naval presence in this part of the world. >> we've seen them make moves in the past two weeks in the south china sea that have been questionable and elevated tensions perhaps between the two countries. how do you see this continuing? is it going to escalate? >> well, i think for that, you have to look at what's been going on with the incoming administration and frankly the u.s./chinese relationship under the incoming trump administration has gotten off to a rocky start. you have the comments about taiwan and one china policy and him taking a phone call with the
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president of taiwan and sending out the tweet you mentioned off the top here, getting noticed in chinese state-run newspapers, no official comment from the chinese government but in an editorial this morning they called the president-elect irresponsible and said chinese rhetoric from the government has been relative measured so far, once trump takes the white house, the chinese government will react more strongly. right now it is it appear that the u.s./chinese relationship is on rocky footing and this is the latest incident. >> matt, we only have a few seconds left. any idea when we might see that drone again? >> as of this point, no, no word from either side. both sides playing it very coy as to when it will be officially returned. >> matt rivers live from beijing. we'll be right back. them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
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the lawmakers demanding an investigation into russia's hacking is getting louder by the day and team trump continues to downplay russia's role even criticizing the intelligence community's assessment that russia tried to help trump win the election. ryan nobles joins me live now from west palm beach where president-elect trump is spending the holidays. what's going on? >> reporter: boris, hello from a sunny and warm march lag go resort. the trump transition at this point have not set whether or not they support this idea of a congressional investigation but they have said repeatedly that they are frustrated by what they are calling leaks from the intelligence community regarding this russian hack. reince priebus on fox said the cia and fbi and other organizations should be more transparent about what they know and they should provide this evidence to the public. listen to what he had to say.
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>> if there is some conclusive opinion among all of these intelligence agencies they should issue a report or stand in front of a camera and make the case. >> priebus also forcefully pushed back on this idea that the trump campaign was in any way connected to what the russians were doing, if the russians were even doing anything. this despite the fact that trump ally roger stone, told cbs television station back in october that he had a back channel connection to the founder of wikileaks, julian assange and later predicted on twitter that john podesta would be the target of a hack which he turn out to be. at that time stone had no official role with the trump campaign and the trump campaign repeatedly refutes the requested he or anyone connected to them was involved in the hack. it's also important to point out, if this investigation does go forward and there seems to be consensus from both republicans
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and democrats it should, it would be made easier if the incoming trump administration approved of the idea and was involved because boris, it will be trump appointees that will be running these agencies that will contribute to the organization. >> speaking of trump appointees, any indication today there might be an announcement of someone else in the cabinet soon? >> we don't have any specific idea of appointees this week. this been talk the next secretary of veterans administration might be announced, but names being floated, nothing concrete. we do know the trump transition is in a slow down mode because of the holiday but even though they haven't said specifically something could happen, that doesn't mean it won't. we're going to stand by here if something does come out of the resort. >> enjoy your time there, ryan. thank you very much. lawmakers have also been very critical of president obama's response to russia's actions, here's what john mccain had to
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say this morning on "state of the union". >> i'm sure that when -- when vladimir putin was told cut it out, unquote, i'm sure that vladimir putin immediately stopped all cyber activity. the fact is that they are hacking every single day. >> let's dig deeper on this. we're joined by julian zell itser and ryan listza and james spider marks. we were talking about the state of the american power in the world and mentioned something that john mccain said during "state of the union", taking advantage of a lack of american leadership and strength. listen to what he said. >> there's no strength on the part of the united states of america. everybody is taking advantage of it and hopefully that will change soon but it's -- it's
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almost unheard of, jake, for american vehicles and ships in international waters being taken by another iranian or chinese ship in gross violation of international law. they are flaunting it. >> general, he also went on to say we could be seeing the world order established after world war ii unraveling. do you see it that way? >> i don't see it unraveling but i must agree with the senator that the united states has to take advantage of this transition and reclaim our position in the world internationally. you don't do that by a whole bunch of power wantly. you have to be very precise and prescriptive in terms of what you want to achieve. that's why it starts at the policy level and then strategy is derived from that. it has to be very clear what the consequences are.
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of meddling. that's been the order forever, nations have forever spied on other although it's unseemly for gentlemen to reach other gentlemen's mail. it happens all the time. there has to be consequences for that. right now they don't exist and that needs to be a very tight conversation that needs to take place within our national security apparatus that says we have to be strong in terms of how we're going to respond and how are we going to act to get others to respond to us. >> how do you think the united states should respond to russia's alleged meddling in the election. united states stated clearly and i support what the ic has said. i don't think we've seen anything that would refute the very clear evidence and good intelligence and analysis that came with that that russia is in fact meddling and engaged in online activities that are going
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after our ability to try to communicate. they are trying to establish influence operations, that's what's taking place. what their intentions are, we need to back up from that and need to state very clearly, russia is routinely trying to get into our networks and doing it quite well as are the chinese. we need to understand every time we pull out our device and hit send, we consent to monitoring. somebody is looking over our shoulder and in fact breaking down that data, whether it's metadata or specifics. that doesn't need to be discussed. we have to acknowledge that that takes place and we have to be able to do something in order to move forward with very strong policies that allow us to establish our place and what we want to achieve. >> julian, trump campaigned on this idea that america was failing at home and abroad. he has pledged to be more aggressive. but between russian efforts in
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baltic countries and syria and ukraine and meddling in the election, he doesn't seem to be motivated to confront vladimir putin. >> that's true. that's hard to deny his basic response to the story that has now been circulating for some time has been defensive, talked about his election and primarily talked about the legitimacy of the outcome rather than really offering some kind of argument and policy about how he will deal with this. we haven't heard that outrage many americans in both parties want to hear from the president-elect about this intervention that's taking place. let me add, diplomacy was also important to the post world war ii order, that was essential, international alliances strengthening our diplomatic institutions in the state department. that's going to have to be very important right now to all of the threats and that's a concern with the president-elect, how serious he takes that.
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>> ryan, tailing off that john mccain said this morning the president doesn't have an expansive strategy when it comes to handling cyber attacks. how do you foresee donald trump handling that. >> the first step is to recognize an important fact, he may have been the beneficiary of this cyber attack and which explains his reluctance to admit it happened and admit that the intentions of the russians were indeed to help him, which is the consensus view of the intelligence community now. come january 20th, he's going to switch from being the beneficiary to the target, right? it's going to be his responsibility to take this seriously and not only to defend the united states from future attacks like this but to come up with a plan to respond because look, obama's -- i take mccain's point about the obama administration not having a
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fully clear policy to respond to cyber attacks, this is the first administration that has had to deal with it on a level that they have. trump is -- very important in this debate, he'll have to come up with a cyber strategy. some of these states or stating very clearly what will happen if a country attacks us in this way. this is going to be one of the issues on his plate from day one. and so the first thing he needs to realize, stop being so defensive about the nature of the attack because it had the effect of helping him and start realizing he's going to be the target of this attacks. >> we may be very far from that moment of acknowledgement. john mccain says that reality is going to interseed when it comes to donald trump's bromance with
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vladimir putin as we've seen in other administrations, they start out rosy and become a train wreck. which point of contention between the u.s. and russia and many mentioned do you think will spark that deterioration of relations? >> well, i tell you, i need to play off what ryan just said which is spot on. our president in the new administration have to embrace the notion that if we want to cooperate with russia, that is a form of what we called 20 years ago day tant, if we want to move into that moving forward, we need to do it around what exists today as an ungoverned common, which is what cyber net -- cyber security is all about. there are no protocols that exist for that. i would argue where we are today is not dissimilar to where we were 30 or 40 years ago where we can really put at risk the infrastructure of another nation through the use of very aggressive cyber techniques.
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we have to have this conversation which allows us now to either have a very good outcome with some risks and tradeoffs or we could have this completely spin out of control. that's where if we want to try to have cooperate with russia, we need to do that vis a vis our activities online and directly prescribed by cyber activities. i think we also need to define that we're drawing causality between the success of this election and russia's activities online. we need to drop that. that's a false narrative and not been proven and we're not going to know that. >> there's no way to prove it. >> not going to be able to draw those connections there. >> we'll never be able to prove whether hillary clinton not going to michigan for a couple of extra days or wisconsin or the propaganda effort of the russians influenced. it was too close an election.
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it was too close any single thing could have caused it. i agree with the general that the idea you'll never figure that out but intent is very important in a cyber attack and the intelligence agency spent a lot of time correct me if i'm wrong general, trying to figure out the intent of an operation like this and it's certainly notable that brennan and comey and clapper all agree that the intent was actually to benefit trump and that's something that we can't ignore that fact. it doesn't take away the fact he won the election or won the election because vladimir putin interfered but it is important to know going forward. >> and it's relevant. it is relevant. the question always on that front were there any connections? was there any coordination? there's no evidence that there was, but there's enough out there to cause concern and if there's a partisan intent by another country to influence the
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election one way, this will be raised in congress. and so i think it's impossible just to stay let's put that aside. i think it will be part of the question we keep asking. >> a lot more questions to ask but we're all out of time. thank you, gentlemen, so much for an enlightening conversation.
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comedian jon stewart is getting serious about helping the heroes and survivors of september 11th, 2001, trying to make sure they get the medical attention and money they are entitled to. sara spoke to jon stewart about his mission. how many people are not receiving the benefits they call fi for? >> there are about 30,000 first responders and other people who helped during 9/11 who they believe may not know about this program. 75,000 are signed up and there
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are another 30,000 out there. he was instrumental in getting this act renewed but now wants to make sure everyone who qualifies knows they are able and eligible for annual monitoring and doctor's visits to be paid for and prescriptions to be paid for, if they need surgery. these are really important things to those people who came from all over the country, stepped up when we needed it most and now many of them may need help in return. . he was instrumental in getting this act renewed and according to him it was a fight with many members of congress to get this passed. we talked about that in light of the current political climate and the frustrations of many americans with congress. take a listen to what he had to say. >> what was the frustration? >> not supposed to curse on cnn. >> you can, but we have editing.
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>> it was an exercise in being appalled. they would literally have so chase down congress people in the hallways and they would hide when they knew those guys were coming. it was outrageous and these are the same people tweeting out every year, never forget the heroes much 9/11. and what they witnessed down it is incomparable, the madness and horror. the peace of mind is a big part of navigating these types of ailments and illnesses. veterans are the same position. so the idea that it was -- that they spend an incredible amount of energy and stress battling their own governments to prove that these -- you know, i understand. look, everybody doesn't want to worry about waste fraud and abuse. but not sure this is, you know -- let's shift the benefit of the doubt in certain instances like this.
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>> boris, we met him at the 9/11 memorial museum in lower man tat tatten -- manhattan. a topic he is passionate about. he is jon stewart so there was comedy in there, back and forth. i asked if he misses his show, especially in light of a donald trump presidency. he said no. he said absolutely not. he's happy and growing the david letterman beard, you know. the post-show, comedian beard. he made a few jokes but, obviously, this is a topic that is very important to him. and to a lot of americans. he's very serious about helping out as much as he can. >> still funny, even giving out the heartfelt message. thank you for that. we'll be right back after this. . with no surprise overages, you can use your data worry free and even carry over the data you don't use. and right now get four lines and 20 gigs for only $40 per line. you'll even get the iphone 7, the samsung galaxy s7,
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these california twin boys, born joined from the head, are
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successfully separated. they've reunited for the first time since their 17-hour surgery. now, on the road to recovery, cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta has been exclusively following their emotional journey. >> for the past two months, this has been the twins' home, who were separated two months ago to the day. they'll move to a rehab facility. i wanted to say hi to them one last time at this hospital. >> i love this. >> people think -- >> they always touch. yesterday during the -- as soon as they were in the wagon downstairs, i looked over and they had their arms locked. i look again and they were holding hands. >> loves the camera, too. >> this kid was born for the camera. >> he was. >> i'm really happy for you guys. really, really happy. >> isn't this the best? >> thank you. >> you're going to be okay saying good-bye to all these
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folks? >> we've all come to an agreement that it is not good-bye, it is just see you later. >> when the boys were first born, mom and dad, nicole and christian, would wheel them around the hospital in a little red wagon. why? it was the only thing that would fit them top to bottom. they're now going to be leaving the hospital again in a red wagon. this time, they're going to be side by side. they spent 174 days in this hospital. >> thank you, yeah. >> for the mcdonald twins, it is good-bye. but on to a new beginning. boris, i think you'd have to agree, that was a heart farming
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mome -- warming moment. the boys finally getting out of the hospital. keep in mind, this was not a day we were certain would come. they had a big operation, 27 hours. they got so much care in the intensive care unit. now they're going to rehab. dr. goodrich said, look, on the day the boys were separated, it was like a rebirth. a second birthday. now, they're going to need to learn all the things they would have otherwise learned as babies. that's what's going to be happening in rehab. we'll keep an eye on them and bring that to you. >> it'll be a great anniversary to celebrate moving forward. the next hour of the cnn newsroom starts after a quick break.
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