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the russian ambassador to turkey killed. the russian leader vladimir putin is vowing revenge, but we begin now in berlin, because there a suspect is in custody. has been in custody, but police are saying they do not know if he is the man who intentionally dloev drove a truck through a crowd of people at a christmas event last night. 12 people died in that attack. 11 killed by the truck in the attack. one person was inside the truck found dead after. 11 people as we stand here this afternoon. 11 people in critical condition. a witness took video right after the crash. we warn you, this video is troubling. you can see people tending to those who were injured moments before. christmas markets in germany are a quintessential part of the german christmas culture. everyone goes.
they are everywhere. it's what you do as part of the celebration. this particular christmas market was set up right near a very historic church. of course, trees were lit, vendors serving candy, fruits and waffles, malt wine. germany's interior minister says among the dead, a passenger in the truck. again that man was found shot in the truck. he was a polish citizen. the gun used to kill him, not found as of now. cnn's senior international correspondent frederik pleitgen joins me from berlin. the big news today, the man in custody, the man initially they thought was connected to the attack now not necessarily the case? >> reporter: you're absolutely right, john. authorities are saying they've been questioning the man in custody, a pakistani citizen apparently a refugee here in this country, and it appears as though a lot of his alibis were
checking out. one of the reasons, and still denying any participation in all of this. and that's one of the reasons why they say that it's highly possible that they might have the wrong person in custody, and that, of course, leads them to the assumption that there is still someone out there at large who potentially would still be armed. now, you've mentioned the fact there was a body on the passenger seat of that truck after it came to a standstill. and that that body had gunshot wounds in it, and there was no gun found at the scene of the crime. i can tell you, i was here in throughout the entire night last night. forensic units worked away the whole night. it there was a weapon to be found presumably they would have found that weapon. if indeed that person is still at large, that person could very well still be armed and of course, highly dangerous, from the fact we know he plowed through that christmas market with that truck. many, many people, john, were coming here and showing their support.
also, of course, showing the fact how shocked they are. we want to pan down here quick. you can see people are lighting candles. just a few out here. a lot more also in and around here with a lot of people just showing sympathy. a lot of people also, of course, very concerned about what happened here at 8:00 p.m. last night when that truck plowed through that christmas market. it is something that many, many germans, of course, visit christmas markets in this time, and, of course, people now feel very vulnerable wondering whether or not their security is guaranteed at events like this one that are so much a hallmark of this festive season. john? >> vulnerable. especially because there well could be a man. hunt under way for the person behind his attack on the german market, if the person in custody is in fact not linked to it. frederik pleitgen in berlin. thanks for your work. much more in a moment. meantime, six people are being held for questioning in connection with the assassination of russia's ambassador to turkey. police detained the gunman's parents and other family members.
meantime, authorities are saying they have recovered some items from the assassin's home. this is according to turkish-run state media. they say that books and al qaeda have been found in the killer's home. the search came hours after the deadly shooting was scene seen . this video is very graphic and troubling. [ gunfire ] >> -- [ bleep ] -- [ bleep ] -- [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> the gunman shouted "do not forget aleppo, "and "god is greatest." the attack called a provocation by both turkish and russian leaders. joining us now is cnn's clarissa ward in moscow. clarissa, you've been following so much of this, including the international developments. not much space you say between turkey and russia, but still a lot of questions about the investigation itself, and the man who carried out the attack?
>> reporter: absolutely. i think the russians have a lot of questions, as to how it was possible that this young police officer was able to gain access to the event where the ambassador was killed. video shows him standing cooly a few yards behind the ambassador as he began to give his speech. certainly, russians have already sent a contingency of investigators to ankara, working together with turkish investigators, wanting to get more answers. was he a lone wolf really just affected by the situation in aleppo as claimed? possibly a part of a larger ring? a part of a militant jihadist group such as isis? a lot of questions the russians would like answered and i think the turk wos like to see answered, too. what is distinctive here is that you're really seeing from the kremlin and from president putin, who spoke overnight about the situation, i think an effort
to de-escalate the situation. both leaders, president erdogan and president putin calling this a provocation aimed at thwarting the warming of relations between turkey and russia. just over a year ago, john, turk around russia were really on the outs. that was after a russian fighter jet had been shot down by turkish military. turkish military claiming it was in turkish air stais, russians claiming it was in russian airspace, and a real decline of the relationship the last six months, relations warmed significantly. specifically since the failed coup attempt against president erdogan, and they want to bring some kind of end, solution, any kind of are conflict resz resolution to the situation in syria. both sides say they want the work to go on. a summit today between the russian foreign minister, the turkish foreign minister and
iranian foreign minister on the subject of syria did go ahead as planned. obviously, the assassination of the ambassador was mentioned, but it wasn't the focus point. i think both sides here saying, let's stay on track here. john? >> clarissa ward in moscow for us. thanks for your reporting. i want to bring in graham wood, national correspondent for "the atlantic "and author of "enkoirnts with t"e "encounters with the islamic state." how troubling the situation across the globe we have extremely dangerous flare-ups of violence going on all at the same time. back to berlin, the man in custody, the man at least for a few hours overnight they thought may have been the driver of the truck, they're now leaning against that. meaning they have a killer on the loose. >> yes. we've known a long time the number of people in western europe sympathetic to the islamic state, jihadist leanings
issignificant. and they've been told in no uncertain terms using tactics like renting trucks, given specific instructions how much clearance to crush the largest number of bodies possible. so it's well known there are people at large who want to do this, and one person in particular -- >> isis literally delivering the blueprint for this attack and specifically calling for it around the world. of course, we saw that at ohio state a few weeks ago that follows the model here. again, the notion there's a manhunt underway right now. that person who may have perp trapted th e traded this attack is on the loose is a challenge for german intelligence. >> it is. you mentioned early the number of christmas markets in germany right now, in every major city, people trying to enjoy the holiday season, and this type of tactic. the idea there are people on the loose using tools at their
disposal to attack public spaces is exactly the type of terror isis is trying to sow. happening when you're at your happiest and vulnerable. >> they thought this man came from the afghanistan-pakistan region, thought he was the man. at the time they thought he was, she mentioned what a tragedy and offensive if they proved the case. germany, again, welcomed, much more so than other european countries, the inflow of a great number of refugees from different parts of the world. >> germany is the last nation standing in central europe as a bastion of welcoming for refugees. there is this populist wave that has certainly reached central eastern europe, and for germany then to have its politics disrupted with an earthquake of these proportions if it turns out to be someone represented to
the refugee wave, would be sig dment a geopolitical sense. >> angela merkel, the only leader left from old world ord perp talking six months ago. not even that old. let me ask you if i can solicit to turkey. the attack, the attacker heard him on tape saying do not forget aleppo. obviously, aleppo having essentially fallen now to the syrian regime. this could be the first of the reverberations around the world. the aftershocks of such a seismic event there. >> yes. and russia is particularly concerned about this. the number of russian whose have been fighting in the islamic state for the islamic state is probably in the range of about 5,000. so you have to think about how russia is seeing its place in the world, the threats that its officials will face. they will see this as, you know, one instance in what's probably a long future of retaliation for what they've done in syria. >> what do they do about it and where? >> they have to look at home, for terrorist attacks.
remember, they have faced cases like the storming of theaters. major, major attacks on civilian targets, that it's been going on there for, at this point, decades. i think what they're looking at now is the possibility it will continue, it will intensify and that as their actions in syria are better known and more -- more brought up as grievances they'll have more attacks like this in the future. >> graham wood, thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. taking you to a holiday market in this country as the united states obviously watching what's going on careful lif and stepping up security. just in, as donald trump refuses to acknowledge that russia was behind the hackings in the u.s. election, the senate's top republican breaking with some of his colleagues who want a select committee to investigate. hear why.
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dealdash.com for great deals. and start bidding today! just in, senate majority leader mish mcconnell standing his ground, rejecting calls for a select committee to investigate russian hacking of the u.s. political system. the senator's decision comes after a bipartisan group of senior senators pushed to make that panel. the latest from washington, manu raju, no one better equipped than manu raju to explain why the majority leader made this decision and what the impact of not having a select committee is. >> reporter: right, john. actually we don't know for sure if the select committee will not happen, because there has to be a vote on the floor of the senate in order to establish it. that means there needs to be 60 senators to join forces, democrats and republicans, to create this committee. 48 democrats will occupy the chamber next year and need to get support of 12 republicans who are willing to buck their
leader, but having senator mcconnell opposed to creating this committee creates a huge roadblock for those who want a create a separate panel. mcconnell wants to get to the bottom of russia's involvement in the election, a very serious issue, but wants it done through regular order. the committees in the jurisdiction already formed. some republican and democratic senators do not believe it goes far enough. worried that classified secretive panel will not air any of the findings publicly and are pushing for something to raise the visibility, like a wat watergate-type committee or a if 9/11 commission or what republicans do to investigate the benghazi attacks after those 2012 attacks in the house, but mcconnell does not want to go that far and in a key development yesterday, john, we learned yesterday two senators swing votes on this issue, jeff flake of arizona, and susan
collecal callsens of maine, resisting calls for a separate committee, siding with mcconnell on this issue. a fight that will take place in the beginning days of the new congress. the question, will there be enough support to create this committee when they vote on the senate floor? >> hard to get to 12 without the majority leader and susan collins and jeff flake. manu raju, thanks for being with us. >> reporter: thanks, john. breaking news just into cnn. word of an explosion at a christmas tree lighting in aleppo in syria. that war-torn city where thousands were trying to evacuate and flee. a live report from the region coming up next.
all right. we have very nearly breaking news, though not quite there yet. the dow jones average right there, heading into uncharted territory on the verge of hitting the 20,000 mark. what we call a big round number. cnn "money's" paula moniker at the stock exchange with more. will we get there and why? >> it's going to be really close today, john. a chance we the might get there sometime this week. it may not be today. the reason, it's a continuation of the optimism we've had about the u.s. economy since the election of donald trump. you're seeing a lot of financial stocks rally, goldman sachs, jpmorgan chaise with oil prices surging, good news for exxon and chevron. consumer lifting walmart, all members of that exclusive club of 30 dow stocks. >> not there yet.
we can see a good day for the stock market. up 68 points. still more to go. paul, remind us. 20,000, it really means nothing officially, but a type of big, round number that investors, especially casual investors, like to see. >> definitely. it is a psychologically important number, if the dow were to get to 20,000. it's crazy, though. it was only a month ago we got past 19,000 for the first time. so some investors are starting to grow a little worried maybe 2017 might be tougher. all the big gains you could have had next year are already happening in this ferocious year-end rally. >> i'm old enough to wlhen the dow broke 19,000. thank you. breaking news. whoever plow add truck into a holiday market crowd in berlin may still be at large right now. 12 people were killed. dozens more injured. german officials say they have no doubt they believe it was a terror attack, but also say that
the man there is had in custody since last night, it's likely that he was not the driver of this truck, which means the driver at large. which mean there's is a manhunt under way. this latest incident berlin, jordan, yemen, a lot to discuss. bring in cnn intelligence security bob bair and karen greenburgh, director of center at fordham university law school. bob, german officials say they don't think they have the guy. there's a manhunt under way now in germany for whoever drove this truck into a market. tell me what you believe to be going on, on the ground right now in germany. >> well, you know, i mean, how did they find this guy if it wasn't the person they arrested, john? you know, from fingerprints, possibly. this is terrifying that a driver in an attack like this could actually get away and easily
steal a second truck and run it through a crowd. i mean, berlin, it's very easy to find one at christmas time. shopping streets. the rest of it. what scares me about the islamic state, and i'm assuming this is you know, at least inspired by the islamic state, is these people, their trade craft is getting better. they don't need to buy guns. they do not need to buy acetone and pa peroxide to make suicide vests and are getting better and getting more violent and harder to catch. i think that's what has the germans very worried now. >> and by the way, they may not even have had to have bought or rent add truck kniss cathis cas. sign this truck was hijacked and didn't leave a trail as long as that goes. karen talking to mike the weis, our friend last night, said it may be the first series of attempts
postalep po post-aleppo. a lot of angry sunni, muslim forces taking this is an ins ta gati instigation to attack back. you see it with the attack of the russian ambassador in turkey? >> something they've been worried about throughout the syrian conflict. the idea as isis is threatened in the hot battlefield they will choose battlefields and victims and means. the other interesting thing here in these attacks is that what you're seeing is a combination of a lot of different terrorist targets and strategies. both government officials, as the example in turkey and civilians. both the use of trucks and use of guns. we're starting to see sort of a pl pluriferation of narratives from the past. interesting. >> bear with me. we have breaking news from
inside syria at this moment. we just told you, word of an explosion at a christmas tree lighting in aleppo. interesting they were trying to even do that given the events going on in that city. cnn mohammed lila is on the border between syria and turkey. mohammed, again, evacuations over the last several days as aleppo falls to the syrian regime. tell us exactly what happened with this explosion. >> reporter: at this point, you know, we know there was this explosion. this comes as the regime has been trying to normalize parts of aleppo. talking about reconstructing certain areas, certain historic areas and holding christmas events, not only in aleppo but in other cities that have been recaptured as well. the government trying very hard, the regime of bashar al assad, trying very hard to make it look as though aleppo is safe once again, but clearly with this explosion, it shows it is not. john, this all comes at a very critical time, because the evacuations taking place in the eastern part of aleppo are
expected to be wrapped up in the next few hours, and what that means on the surface, anyway, is that bashar al assad can come out and claim that his forces have retaken the entire city. an explosion likes this shows even if hiss fors on the surface have retaken the entire city, by no meaners does it mean it's safe. there may be elements inside the city that want ta cause damage. >> doing fantastic work, mohammed lila, thanks so much. back with bob and karen. karen, this playing into what we've been talking about? aleppo on the verge of falling to the syrian regime, with hezbollah and russia backing them. a sunni militant, you have a range of people, blame not to mention the west and united states for not doing enough to support you in your battle against assad? >> it is a tremendous recruitment tactic, you might say, because it has so many
things going for it. not just the politics. it's the humanitarian crisis. not just a battlefield, it's also europe and it's also christmas. bringing together an awful lot of issues all at the same time. this is very concerning. >> and, bob, again, remarkable, so much to ask you about. so many events over just the last 24 hours around the world. investigations on the ground in ankara with russian investigators helping turkish officials looking at this policeman a 22-year-old cop, who shot and assassinated the russian ambassador there. bob's not hearing me right now. i'll put this question to karen. one of the things we're struck by over the last 24 hours is, how could this man, this armed individual, get so close to the russian ambassador? where was the diplomatic security? >> yeah. a very good question and who knows if it's because he's an off-duty on. but a cop. so you never know why, and how, but what it really tells you is the kind of vigilance for all of
the vigilance we think we have, we just don't -- at a public, a foreign event, telling you there's a sense that, that there's a safety zone. that there isn't. and that's why i mentioned, you know, attacking foreign, or domestic, officials. this has always been part of the terrorist mantra and it's now back in a big way, and it's going to raise the concerns of law enforcement around the world and so they're going to step it up a little further. >> u.s. embassy closed after man was shooting a gun outside there. obviously, that concern is around the world. karen greenburgh, and thanks to bob bair we lost and mohammed lila. just ahead, how would president-elect trump handle these attacks? getting ahead with responses and the president-elect calling out bill clinton for comments made about him. their back and forth next. and it was the reason that fbi director james comey came out with that letter that many democrats saw as the reason, or
just in 20 cnn pap federal court released redacted copies of the search warrant that gave the fbi new license to dig into hillary clinton's e-mails. you may remember that this move came just a week or so before the presidential election. the e-mails were found on a computer belonging to anthony weiner, the estranged husband of top clinton aide huma abedin.
what's in this? haven't had a chance to look at it. >> affidavit that the fbi submitted to search the laptop they had taken possession of from anthony weiner. we have now learned this was a dell enspireon computer they had in their possession and when doing the search of that computer, on the weiner case a separate case into anthony weiner, they stumbled upon these e-mails that they clearly indicated were from the server, the hillary clinton private e-mail server. this is the reason why according to this warrant, according to this affidavit, why they decided that they needed to get a separate warrant, and this is what precipitated all of those letters. the letter from the fbi director on october 28th, to members of congress saying we found new e-mails and want to do a new investigation to see what is in this. according to this affidavit, john, it says that based on previous investigation, they'd
found 4,000 e-mails between huma abedin, estranged wife of anthony weiner and hillary clinton. that's one reason why they presumed it was safe to assume there would be additional e-mails on this laptop. we do not know from these documents what in the end they found, but we do know that a couple days before the election, they did come back. the fbi director came back and said, never mind. we've gone through this. it's not something that we hadn't seen before, and it was not relevant. so we don't know much more about what exactly they found, but we do know a little more what they were looking for. according to the affidavit what they said was, they were looking to identify any person or persons who accessed classified information present on the laptop. it also says that they were also looking to debiidentify intrusi. any hackers who might have gotten access to this dell computer think possession, a computer that belonged, again,
anthony weiner, and somehow these e-mails belonging to huma abedin and hillary clinton ended up on this laptop. john? >> looking for many more answers in this over the coming weeks, months and years. evan perez, thanks for that. appreciate it. attacks on germany and the russian ambassador to 2usturkey drigered strong words from the president-elect releasing statements from mar-a-lago in palm beach. what did he say, sara sidner? >> reporter: the president-elect didn't waste time in tying the assassination of the russia in turkey to terrorism and investigators looking into these instances to find out what was going on. reading you a portion of the statement put out in response to berlin, saying, innocent civilians were murdered in the streets as they prepared to celebrate the christmas holiday. isis and other islamic
terrorists continually slaughter christians in their communities and places of worship as part of their global jihad. these terrorists and their regional and worldwide networks must be eradicated from the united states and the earth, a mission we will carry out with our loving partners. donald trump is giving limited information how he is getting news of these events. told us in a call briefeds by his national security personnel. we know his vice president elect mike pence received his brief. see if he gets more information or has anything else to say about these instances throughout the day. john? >> and sara, the president-elect did find time to engage in a sort of back and forth with the former president of the united states, bill clinton. what's going on there? >> reporter: well, that's absolutely right. there has been a little bit of a war of words. some sore feelings between bill clinton and donald trump. i think we have the sound of what bill clinton had to say to
reporters yesterday about his wife's loss and her bid for the presidency. take a listen. >> -- never cast a vote i was prouder of. you know, i watched her work for two years. i watched her battle through that bogus e-mail deal, being vindicated at the end when secretary powell came out. fought through that. fought through everything, and prevaped against it all, but, you know, then with, at the end the russians and the fbi deal, which she couldn't prevail against that, but she did everything else and still won by 2.8 million votes. i'm very proud of her. >> thanks, guys. we've got to run. >> reporter: you see that this is still very much and open wound for the clintons, hillary's loss and we saw bill clinton speak to a local newspaper in new york essentially indicating he doesn't believe that donald trump knows much. well, donald trump shot back on twitter. bill clinton stated i called him after the election. wrong. he called me with a very nice
congratulations. he "doesn't know much." so still time for political battles waging, even as more important policy issues may be pressing. john? >> sara murray for us in mar mar-a-la mar-a-lago. thanks. and echolight studio, senator, a pleasure to have you with us. i want to ask about donald trump's response to the attack in berlin specifically. issued responses, paper statements on both what happened inside turkey and what happened in berlin. on the berlin attack he said innocent civilians murdered in the streets, isis and other terrorists continually slaughter christians in their communities and places of worship and part of their global jihad. it may very well be that this turns out to be an isis attack. it may very well be this is an act of radical islamic terror, a term the president-elect likes to use, but the fact of the
matter is overnight what happened was the person in custody, a man from afghanistan, or the pakistan region, german officials now say they do not believe he was the driver. so there's a manhunt for the person who did do it. they don't know who drove this truck. so, again is the president-elect out in front of the facts here? >> well i think if they don't know, they don't know, but i don't think to suggest that this has anything to do with islamic terrorism is somehow out of bounds. i think it's, it looks pretty logical that that's -- if you see a, an attack similar to attacks that have been used in the past by isis, that they've encouraged varied attacking just likes this and an attack on christians at a christmas celebration. if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck it's probably a duck. i don't think he's way out in front. looking at the facts and they point clearly what we have. >> i didn't say, way, by the way, and would and have noted the language used in these
statements is very, very different than the types 6 statements he came out with during the campaign where he said, i should be congratulated for saying that's what happened or tieing it to political things. this wasn't political statement he was making. making a security statement here. again, the question is -- as the man who will be president of the united states in 31 days, do you need to be even more circumspect? need to be eastern more careful to wait for the specific facts here? >> well, i mean i think we had a president who has not waited for a lot of facts. this current president, on a lot of issues. dealing with criminal activity, and that's burned him in some cases. so i think there's a lesson. i agree that there's a lesson to be a little more circumstance come sbhect you're president, because the impact of those statements have more weight. so to i guess answer your question, yeah. i probably would have been a little bit more circumspect but an pretty sure he's not going to be too far off when it comes to this one? >> no.
the pattern is certainly the type of thing we've seen before, specifically in nice, not to mention other locations around the world. >> right. >> on the subject where he is getting his information, specifics where he's getting his information, sara murray reported it's not clear whether he personally received his daily classified intelligence briefing he now is privy to, but the vice president-elect mike pence did. is national security, these security briefings, are these the types of things that you should properly delegate, senator? >> no. i would recommend that donald trump take his security briefs. i don't know why he's not. i didn't talk to him about it. i haven't talked to him about it, but this is a very important part of being the president of the united states, and hopefully at some point he'll begin to get into that routine and understand how important it is for him to understand all of the threats that are confronting this country and understand the nuances that come with a daily brief, and to get the, the
inside, you know, information what these organizations and individuals are doing around the world that threaten the united states. i very much encourage him to take those breefrs and take them very seriously. >> advice coming from someone whose world view is more in line with donald trump or at least has the same view of these types of attacks or similar view than others critical of donald trump. if i can shift gears and talk about the outgoing president, president obama. we are getting this word he may act today to ban some offshore drilling in certain locations. he's going to base this on 1953 law which might make it difficult for donald trump when he comes in to reverse it. what do you think are the president's actions? >> i mean any executive action taken by the president can be reversed by the next president. i mean you can base it on a law. that doesn't necessarily restrict the next president from reviewing that executive order, regulation, administrative interpretation, whatever you want to call it. i don't know what specifically
he's doing, but the president, this is really the, the downfall over time of this administration. the current administration has really never been able to muster a lot of political support to get anything permanently passed in law, other than obama care which seems to be destined for reversal, and as a result of that, president trump is going to have is a tremendous opportunity to reverse course on a lot of things, because president obama wasn't able to build consensus and get any permanent fixes done. so all of these executive orders all of these regulations can be reversed, suspended and changed. >> again, and there are nuances here, which get into the weeds, but not an executive order making an action that the law granted you the power to do, it would require a law probably or a court ruling to reverse. not necessarily a -- >> no, no. hold on. >> but, senator, in way not worth arguing here, but not just a stroke of a pen that will guarantee the reversal of this specific accetion from the
president. >> there's a process a plaed ret has to go through to promulgate, and a new president has to go through to prommal gate a new resolution. he can't walk in, with a stroke of a pen like executive order and change policy but can suspend the regulation. and he can begin the process of re-doing that regulation and all can be done within the confines of the president. again, there's certainly things to be done immediately. other things take more time to do, but neither require any kind of cooperation with the congress, and that's the problem. is the president hasn't affixed anything permanently. >> and i appreciate your expertise on this. obviously an area you know quite a bit about. thank you for that. >> you bet. >> i want to ask you about the interview michelle obama, outgoing first lady had with oprah winfrey and she was talking about the cooperation that president obama and also the first lady have given to the incoming administration oui as we are in this transition period and she said, looking back on eight years ago that in some
instances she wasn't talking, i believe, about the bush family in particular, but talking about republicans in congress. she doesn't feel like they received the same cooperation. let's listen to what she said. >> there were people who did not support his presidency. there were people in congress. there were leaders in congress who did not support his presidency, which was not something that was good for country. it was good for politics. >> uh-huh. >> but it wasn't good for the country. and that wasn't the right way to approach it. the >> a was a whole lot of no when they took office from people on your side of the aisle when it came to president obama and a lot of the things he was proposing. is that reportedly accurate? >> startling to hear this we when just finished yesterday, democrats whoopposed donald trump tried to change the
electorate. yop recall trying not to support barack obama in the electoral college. so that's about as -- as strident a, an opposition to a president as you will see. i really don't recall ever in my lifetime seeing that kind of activity. so to compare some people who might have been uncomfortable or certainly not supportive of president obama who may not have been as friendly as they should have been to people outright trying to take the election away from donald trump i think is -- a little, a little disproportionate. >> indeed you are correct in respect is iron, more democratic electors flipped than republican electors here for sure. what she was talking about, the idea members of congress were shouting, "you lie" from the well well of the congress when president obama was speaking. >> that was years later. number one. not at the time. years laterants health care pap year later, but, yes. >> well, it was later and in response to a specific thing the president said, and -- that joe
wilson spoke out. but to suggest that there was -- again, i wasn't there at the time but i certainly wasn't far removed. certainly there were people who were not happy with the election. >> right. >> but i don't recall anything at the time, nor talking to people at the time, there was anything but an orderly transition and support for that transition, and certainly the bushes were very, very gracious in that regard. >> yes. >> and contrary to some reception that the bushes got when they first came into the, into the white house. so, look, i think the obamas have been gracious. we need to state that very publicly. in this tradition i'm sure they'll continue to do so and hopefully we'll get off to a good start as a result. >> senator rick santorum, always a pleasure to talk to you. >> my pleasure, john, thank you. next, a disturbing revelation in the disappearance of flight 370. investigators now say where the missing plane is not. plus --
the mystery over missing malaysia flight 370 takes another twist pap new twist. a new report revealing cenkers looki -severs looking in the wrong place. experts recommend a new area northeast of the current search area, believe extending another 125,000 kilometers give a better chance of finding mh370. a number of pieces likely from the plane. these pieces washed up mostly in african beaches and islands. i want to discuss with sea operations specialist tim tail perp t or. looking in the wrong place. why? looking in one area and
exhausting possibilities? >> negative information. covered the best they can and feel there's nothing more they can find there. it is not there. they've ruled it out. now, i mean, it's a big ocean. i said years ago when they started the quest it is, is a big planet a big ocean, and to find this is going to be near impossible. >> how do you pick the new area? based on anything other than we haven't looked there yet? might as well? >> new data. found objects and can try to -- a according to the panel, re-evaluated data, plugging what they've already done, came downerer than suspected and that's where it's they're going to look. again, that's cost. it's money. it's time. they're still not sure. not 100% sure. >> throw up to map where they have been looking and where they will be looking there and notable, all of these pieces of debris which shwahave washed up african shores there.
can you plot backwards where this debris is loaded up? or too many factors? >> too many factors. the more time goes by and the more time debris separates it is -- it makes it much more difficult. there are historical wrecks. the first u.s. navy ship "the bonham richard" sank off of england in a battle. the first in the revolutionary war. and it -- it was, witnesses. people that testified. they know when it went down and it still hasn't been found. that's 237 years later. and it's the north sea. scientists and robots and only a couple hundred feet of water. this is miles deep and a whole ocean to look for it. >> to be clear, not suggesting they're doing a bad job of searching? >> no. no, no. covering the boxes. finding what you can, you're mapping, and it's not there. you move on to the next thing. it's just, it's huge.
you don't understand how big the surface area that you're looking in is, and people just have to wrap their minds anchts. >> with the mystery, so many lives lost, you don't want to say we give up. >> i understand the argument you don't want to give up because you want to learn from it. people lost all the time, fishing boats. this is not an unprecedented thing. finding it to learn from it, it may not be the value of learning. what you'll learn that it crashed. planes like this, similar planes, are still flying. there's no real mechanical problems. this is a one-off as far as you're concerned. it may be relegated to the history. may be one of those mysteries that will be solved 100 years from now. you know? one of those -- amelia earhart things. >> tim taylor, thanks for being with us. much more on our breaking news. the person who drove a truck into a berlin christmas market
killing at least 12 people. he may still be at large. you're looking at live pictures from that market right now. where so many people have come to pay their respects. again, remember, there's a manhunt under way now for the person who carried out this attack as these people are here. plus, we're getting word of an explosion at a christmas tree lighting in aleppo in syria. stand by for details on that.
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hi there. i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. 1:00 p.m. in washington, 7:00 wm in pberlin, 9:00 p.m. in mosul. wr6r7 you're joining us from around the world, welcome. start with several terror attacks in and around europe. officials warning people to be on alert in the wake of a deadly attack on a crowded christmas market. 12 people were killed.
dozens more injured when a large truck plowed through the crowd, and this alert is coming as police admit that the suspect they have in custody may not be the man responsible for the attack. there's also been a call for increased security out of moscow. it is reaction to the very public assassination of the russian ambassador to turkey, who was gunned down at a gallery opening in the turkish capital. also, isis is claiming responsibility for a terror attack in jordan that killed ten people in a popular tourist spot. we begin in berlin, where police are planning to increase security around the city. this could include putting up barriers in and around popular tourist destinations. cnn's senior international correspondent frederik pleitgen is live in berlin right now. sounds, fred, like police thought they their guy and now don't seem so sure? >> reporter: yeah, you're absolutely right, brianna. exactly what police are saying. shortly after 8:00 p.m