end peacefully, and right now, that is the goal of the armed forces, is to get everyone off that plane, and make sure that no one is killed in this operation. >> all right, ian. we know you're staying on it. we're watching those live pictures. do us a favor. monitor the picture. see if you can get some assessment and reporting of what this procedure is that we're seeing here. come back to us and we'll get to it, okay? all right. also breaking the manhunt is over for the berlin christmas market terror suspect. it ended not in germany, in italy. near milan. there was a shoot-out. officers shot and killed the suspect, we are told, an officer got hit as well. we get the latest from cnn's ben wedeman in rome. what do you know now about the circumstances surrounding the shooting, and the implications for this broader network that may be at play? >> chris, we understand from the italian police that at 3:00 in the morning outside a train station in the milan working
class suburb of san giovanni a routine police patrol stopped a man who they said was acting suspicion and asked him for some sort of identification. instead of identification he produced a .22 caliber pistol, opened fire on the policeman, wounding one in the shoulder, and then running behind a nearby car to take cover. in the meantime one of the other police officers went behind that car, fired two shots, hitting anis amri fatally in the chest. now they say that in addition to finding this .22 caliber pistol on his body, he also had a small knife, as well as several hundred euros. now the chief of police in milan just held a press conference a little while ago, stressing that when amri was stopped outside this train station, he was by himself. but now, obviously, the focus of the immediate investigation is
going to be on this working-class neighborhood of milan. why did amri who traveled from germany through france first to the city of turin, and then went to the central train station in milan, and then ended up outside this train station in the zbush. why was he there? that's what they want to know right now. chris? >> ben, we understand. thank you very much for all of that reporting. let's discuss it further with our panel. we have cnn military analyst lieutenant general mark hurt link. cnn counterterrorism analyst philip mudd. cnn terrorism analyst and editor paul cruickshank. gentlemen, thank you very much for being here. paul, do you have any reporting on why he went to italy? >> in that scenario, scenario number one he was trying to get shelter from contacts inside italy. after all he had spent a number of years there before moving to germany. scenario number two he wanted to go to italy to launch an attack
there. he may have had some animus against the italians for putting him in prison. and scenario number three, he was going to italy as a way station to either go and try and join isis in syria. milan is a hub for the balkan route but milan is also a hub for getting down to southern italy and a possible way to get into north africa. i think those are the three scenarios they're going to be looking into. it's not clear whether we'll ever know why exactly he traveled south to italy, because he's now dead. >> yeah. general, we do -- his -- his -- this man's travels were notable. he started in tunisia. then he made his way to italy. he got into trouble in italy. he spent four years in italy for arson, assault, vandalism. he got -- when he got out, the italians wanted to deport him. to tunisia. but the tunisians would not take him. back. he then made his way to germany. obviously with this terror attack and now has been killed in italy. you know, this is what obviously
people fear. that people -- that terrorists are not stopped at the borders throughout europe and that the home country won't take them back. explain how you see this. >> well, you hit it right on the head, alisyn. first of all, the schengen zone, that opportunity to travel through all countries of europe was established several decades ago, and it allows this kind of travel. the criticality of all of this, though, is the information sharing between countries that have very good intelligence and security agencies, and those that might not be as robust or even as mature. and i think we've seen this in this area. and you've also seen, frankly, some 6 the countries who were accepting more refugees, immigrants and potential terrorists, as a base of travel to get into other countries. when i was commanding in europe we used to track rat lines as paul just mentioned the balkan rat line was a big one. how do terrorists move from the middle east, through europe, into the western part of europe,
and you know, all of those things are what the intelligence sources are looking at. and sometimes, you know, this one's going to raise a lot of questions, because this guy was well known. but sometimes you just miss the key one. >> phil, how do you do it? >> look, i think there's a question here that we're missing. the conversation is the wrong conversation. in europe, you have hundreds of thousands of refugees accepted for humanitarian reasons by people like chancellor merkel, in germany, who i think will be proven by history to have been a terrific humanitarian. you can't, if you want to take those humanitarian steps, screen people on the front end. you can't go to the outside government in syria and say, hey, these people are coming across, can you give me your records on whether they're criminals. the question becomes, if you can't screen them on the front end, what are your processes on the back end? and i think the question here will be, not whether they -- this individual is deported but what are your measures to detain someone indefinitely with this kind of record. you can't stop the refugees coming in, alisyn. you can have bigger questions
about what you do once they get in the country they're arriving to. same questions we would face in the united states. >> look, i hear you, phil, and obviously what you're saying is, totally compelling. and makes sense. but then it forces people to be reactive, after a terror attack. which is what we're seeing now happening in germany and italy. so, paul, what are authorities doing now that they know more about him, and the wider network? >> well the thing is they've known quite a lot about this wider network for quite some time because they've had a police informant inside the network for months and months feeding back all kinds of information about the fact that amri wanted to launch an attack in germany, that others in the network, even wanted to launch truck attacks -- >> so why couldn't they crack down on it if they knew all that? >> well, that's the burning question for the german government, for the german security services. what they did do is they went after the leaders of this network in november they
arrested five of the key figures, the senior figures in the network. but they did not go off, at that point, the juniors, the foot soldiers of the network, the people being encouraged to launch attacks. and we don't know the reason for that, perhaps they hadn't quite collected enough evidence to move against these individuals. perhaps they've lost track of them. it appears that this individual was not recently under intent though it was at a certain point under surveillance. so there are going to be a lot of questions about all kinds of missed opportunities in terms of preventing this attack. but as we move forward, there's concern that others in this network could strike and in fact just overnight, there were arrests of two kosovo nationals in northwestern germany, very near to where this recruitment network was operating. >> so, general, what do you think when you hear that authorities did know that they were planning -- they had hoped to pull off some sort of mall or christmas market attack and they
knew beforehand? >> well, one of the things you have to concern yourself with, too, from not an intelligence standpoint, alisyn, but an operator standpoint. i was involved in an action in 2012 against a terrorist cell in frankfurt and what happens is you know the intelligence coming in. you see the operators. you may not have enough information yet to arrest them because they haven't done anything wrong but the other thing is, as the chief operator you have to balance whether you strike and get a large target, or strike and just get one individual. so perhaps there was more intelligence being kwleened that would lead to a bigger network, to an unraveling of the network. and that's always a consideration when you're going after targets. so, sometimes you say, why didn't we get this one guy? >> yeah. >> where the answer would be, well because we were hoping he would lead us to a cell of 100. and sometimes you miss it. >> phil, very quickly, in the u.s., when people have information, when authorities have information that somebody is trying -- thinking about planning a christmas market attack, what happens?
>> if you look at that characteristic plus the individuals who are in touch with this person we go two places. number one informants, number two wire. that is phone, e-mail, internet, et cetera. this individual would have been at the high end of the surveillance. i think there's one bottom line question here, alisyn. was this a question about resources. because the germans had higher priorities. otherwise you can't explain this one. >> phil, paul, general, thank you very much. chris? >> all right so police in little rock just made an arrest in a deadly case of road rage. do you remember this one? there was someone stopped at a stop sign, person behind him didn't like how they were driving, opened fire, killed the kid on your screen. gary holmes is accused of firing that deadly shot into the car at that stop sign. investigators say the suspect has no relationship to the victims. investigators say he was turned in by family. >> hmm. jetblue said it removed a man from a flight with ivanka trump
and her family after the man apparently lashed out at the soon-to-be first daughter. this was a man seated in front of trump, and he says that the family -- the family tells cnn that the man told ivanka, quote, you ruined our country, now you are ruining our flight. the man's husband, matthew lazner in a last-minute tweet also said quote ivanka and jared at jfk flying commercial my husband chasing them down to harass them. ivanka told a jetblue staffer on the plane that she did not want to make anything out of the incident. >> you know, look, this is one of the ugly realities. i grew up in that kind of situation. this is what happens when the family becomes exposed to politics. yes, these aren't kids, they're all adults. but -- >> still you don't -- even adults don't want to be harassed on a plane even if they're not connected to politics. that's horrible. >> it's wrong. there's something to respectful disagreement. and to a lot of people on the left i think that message of heal thyself needs to be heard.
be this change that you want in political discourse that you keep complaining about on the right. donald trump, taking on a possible nuclear arms race. aerospace contractors. and a quick change to decades of historical precedent. all in 140 characters. is he making more trouble than he is sense? the ax. next.
president-elect donald trump using twitter to announce some major changes in u.s. policy. mr. trump making surprise comments about nuclear weapons, military jets, and the israeli/palestinian conflict four weeks before the inauguration. cnn's boris sanchez is live at trump's vacation estate in mar-a-lago with more on all of this. hi, boris. >> hey there, alisyn. anyone who thought that donald trump might tone down his tweets after the election was proven wrong yesterday. the president-elect taking to twitter with some very questionable comments about american policy overseas and now the conversation continues about the way that donald trump handled his twitter account. >> president-elect donald trump shaking up international relations weeks before taking the oath of office. on twitter, trump tweeting that the u.s. must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability. until the world comes to its senses regarding nukes. bucking almost 50 years of
historical precedent against nuclear proliferation. this pledge coming hours after vladimir putin spoke about strengthening russia's arsenal prompting concerns about the possibility of a re-ignited nuclear arms race. >> it's difficult to know what to make of it all. we're submitted to our new s.t.a.r.t. obligations with russia and maintaining a strong, modernized nuclear deterrent here in the united states. >> reporter: trump's team attempting to clarify the president-elect's tweet hours later saying that he actually meant he wants to prevent the threat of nuclear proliferation. the opposite of what he initially tweeted. signaling a major shift in diplomatic policy and an unprecedented move calling for the obama administration to veto a security council resolution condemning israeli settlement activity just hours before the scheduled vote. a senior israeli official telling cnn the israeli government reached out to trump
directly, asking him to intervene. egyptian president abdel al sisi putting the vote on hold after taking a call from the president-elect. >> nobody here felt boxed in by a tweet from the president-elect. and he's perfectly entitled to express his views on these kinds of things. >> reporter: trump then using twitter to take aim at a major american company. defense contractor lockheed martin. threatening to replace the pentagon's costly new f-35 fighter made by lockheed with a less expensive plane made by boeing. costing lockheed martin and its shareholders millions in market value. despite back lash trump's team signaling that the president-elect will continue his use of twitter. >> he has a direct pipeline to the american people to talk to them in a way that no one's done before. i think it's fascinating. >> now it's being reported that on a phone call with the journalists at another network trump responded to the tweet saying something to the effect
of, quote, let it be an arms race, we will outmatch them at every pass. the interesting thing about this, allison and chris, is that it comes just a few hours after vladimir putin's state of the union press conference with reporters in russia in which he said trump's comments about nukes are really nothing new. he also laded later on that relations with the united states could not be worse. >> boris, best to you and your family for christmas. thank you for all the great reporting this year. now let's get to the bottom line with cnn's political analyst david axelrod. let's start with the problem with twitter playing out in realtime. taking a serious, sensitive subject, trying to break it down into 140 characters, it creates confusion. then he goes on the phone at msnbc and he says let there be an arms race, we'll beat them. now we have to figure, ax, was he talking about that as a policy position? was he talking to a friend on the phone? how do you make sense of all
this? >> well, it's not -- it's almost more important how the world makes sense of all of this. you know, during the campaign he at one point suggested that perhaps japan and south korea should become nuclear powers. he suggested -- he said in answer to a question as to about nuclear weapons if -- why do we have them if we're not going to use them. well you no he for half a century presidents from kennedy through reagan to obama have made nonproliferation the focus of our policy. we have the ability to destroy the planet a thousand times over. the nuclear -- our nuclear arsenal is in the process of being modernized so he apparently did not know that when he tweeted. but what signal is he sending the world and what does it mean for the world if proliferation, and not nonproliferation becomes the order of the day? the bigger -- the other issue here, chris, is just temperament. you know, even as he was being elected president november 8th,
almost two-thirds of americans said they -- they doubted he had the temperament to -- to be president. and this is one of the concerns. because, right now he sends a tweet. we talk about it. it upsets people. and he move on. but in 28 days he's going to have control of a nuclear arsenal, and when you press send on one of those, there's no deleting the account. there's no deleting the tweet. or -- or the attack. and so that is what is a real source of concern here. >> let's talk about something else that has gotten the attention of the international community, and that is a statement that he made about what was going to go on at the u.n. egypt wanted a u.n. resolution saying that the settlement -- the israeli settlement, in palestinian territory, are illegal. and that they should end. mr. trump sent this out. as the united states have long maintained peace between the israelis and the palestinians will only come through direct negotiations between the
parties, not through the imposition of terms by the united nations. this puts israel in a very poor negotiating position, it's extremely unfair to all israelis. david, how do you feel about him basically eclipsing whatever president obama was planning to do about this. >> well, it's -- it's awkward at a time when the administrations are trying to work together on transition, but there are bigger implications here, alisyn. one is that this comes on top of his appointment of an israeli ambassador who has been an avid advocate for settlements in -- over the green line and in disputed areas and also they have signaled that they're going to do what other presidents have which is move the embassy, the u.s. embassy to jerusalem. also, a hugely fraught issue in that region. so in a very tense region.
before he's become president he's sending a signal that will really unsettle no pun intended the situation there, and you know, these are very, very meaningful gestures, and you wander how much thought has been given to them before he acts. obviously prime minister netanyahu called him and asked him to do this. he did it. but i wonder how much consultation there's been among his people about whether this was watched. >> let's ping pong back to the russia putin situation again for a second because again i think we got to know more about the context of what the president-elect meant when he said let there be an arms race. very often these kinds of statements, they're all about context. you know, it's one thing if you're talking to me off camera or somebody you expect some discretion from. it's another one if you think you're addressing the american people directly. but, let's look at it in the
context of what vladimir putin said to his people this morning. nobody thought trump would win except us. this is a man who loves to speak in code. do you think he was dropping a hint there? i think he was -- i think vladimir putin is reveling in all of this speculation about what role he played in the american election and how a larger role he played in the election of donald trump. his -- he has great investment in the notion of instability in the western aalliance in questions about democracy itself. so he is -- he is a preening peacock right now with all of this talk what is concerting, obviously congress has to grapple with what happened during the election, what is concerning is the interplay between him and donald trump and what it means for american
policy and that -- that remains to be seen. >> you know, david, i think that many of mr. trump's supporters feel that they like this about donald trump. his unpredictability. the idea that he would keep foreign leaders like putin, and in china, and in north korea guessing. you never know exactly how he feels. you know, you don't want to set him off. that sort of feeling. i mean they see that as a strength. >> yes. he has been very, very consistent. he said throughout the campaign that he wants to be predictable in international relations. he doesn't want foreign leaders to know exactly what he's thinking. the problem with that is people act on what you say >> right. >> i said on this show, markets go tumbling based on what a president says and we've seen it just in the last 48 hours. we've seen markets tumble for lockheed martin. we've seen the world unsettled by what he's said on a couple of
different matters. it is dangerous, there are consequences to this. he's not a candidate anymore. when you're president of the united states your words have enormous weight. people may enjoy the spectacle now, but if it results in a war, if it results in some tragic misunderstanding they're going to have a different attitude. >> i really think it's a question of what we're talking about in terms of content and what his followers like and don't like. it's one thing to mess with politicians, mess with the process over here. it's another thing to be talking about a nuclear arms race. you know there's a good story that i'm sure you've heard ax about president george w. bush when he was introduced to the nuclear arsenal that he was amazed by how many weapons we have and he was quoted as saying, what do we need all these for? you know, the idea of suggesting a nuclear arms race not only doesn't make a lot of sense given the threats that we're dealing with in today's world of terror, but it really speaks to a severity that is much
different than just talking about a company keeping jobs, or you know, asking for a different bid. >> we have an arsenal that can destroy the planet a thousand times over. so president bush's question is a very apt one. the real concern is that if these weapons proliferate, it increases the likelihood that some nonstate actor could get a hold of one of them. or someone, you know, there can be a conflict that's triggered by misunderstanding. we saw that in the early '60s. how close we came to that. this is serious business. this is not a matter for impulsive tweets. this is going to be a very concerning for eight years if the president conducts foreign policy in this way. it's not when you say well it matters what the context is, sometimes people don't wait for the context. sometimes they act on the words. so, you know, i know -- i --
i -- i had a smile when sean spicer the new press secretary said i found this fascinating. fascinating is one way to put it. frightening is another. >> right. but again you got to give trump -- >> -- hopes -- >> you've got to give him the benefit of let's see how he exexplains what he's quoted as saying on msnbc because again there's one thing about being on the phone with someone you trust, another one contact -- the message you want the american people to hear. >> how would you like to be this morning jim mattis and rex tillerson reading the newspaper and watching the news. >> hmm. >> because they are the ones who are going to have the line responsibility for this. they're the ones who are going to have to pick up the phone and exexplain to foreign leaders and military leaders and diplomats. >> yeah. >> what the president meant. i'm -- i wonder if all -- they both were reveling in the -- in the joys of private life as they heard what their future may hold. >> david axelrod thank you very much. happy holidays. >> merry christmas to you guys.
president-elect donald trump tweeting about expanding nuclear's -- the nation's nuclear capabilities. here to clarify what this means we have the president-elect's newly announced white house press secretary sean spicer. sean, congratulations. >> thank you very much. quite an honor. >> great to have you here. >> thank you. >> you excited about taking on the press? >> i wouldn't say i'm going to take them on. i'm going to help communicate the president-elect's message and agenda. it is an awesome responsibility. it's an honor. to join this group of individuals that have served the country in this way. it is truly humbling to realize that it's real. and that the responsibility of communicating to the american people, his agenda, is an
awesome one that should not be taken lightly. >> indeed. we look forward to working with you. >> thank you. >> let's talk -- since you will be the chief interpreter of what the president means, let's do it. >> sure. >> let's talk about what he meant with this tweet that is getting so much attention about the nuclear arsenal. trump tweeted out the united states must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes. what does that mean? strengthen and expand. >> it means that there are countries around the globe right now that are talking about increasing their nuclear capacity. and the united states is not going to sit back and allow that to happen without acting in kind. and i think the president-elect is very clear that he's going to be very active in putting america's security first and foremost. and if another country wants to threaten our sovereignty or our safety he will act. >> are you talking about russia? >> i'm talking about russia -- it's not just about one country. it's any country. >> russia i just want to make -- >> russia is one -- >> just talked about this.
he said russia needs to enhance the combat capability of strategic nuclear forces primarily by strengthening missile complexes that will be guaranteed to penetrate existing and future missile defense systems. is that -- >> there is one of several -- no, no, there are several countries in the past weeks, russia being one of them. but the bottom line is this, the president is going to put our nation's security and safety first. and he's not going to worry about how it's -- he's going to do it. that's what every american should understand that he's not going to be a passive president. he's going to be active and make sure that our safety is number one. >> i understand. that's different than expanding -- >> but if another country expands theirs the united states will act in kind. >> so, if -- >> but i will tell you this, but i do believe that it won't happen. because i think what they have seen, domestically and internationally, is this is a man of action. yesterday he put out a statement early in the morning talking about the resolution that is coming forward in the u.n. security council. and the egyptian and the
israelis called him afterwards, it got taken down. he's a man of action that is getting things done for this nation. >> do you think that it's appropriate for him to be doing these things before he is inaugurated? there you know we only have one president at a time. >> we do and we respect that and i think president obama and his team have been unbelievably gracious to the president-elect and his team. but at the end of the day, he's not someone that's going to sit back and wait. >> understood but i mean with the u.n. resolution shouldn't the president of the united states be dealing -- >> look, but again his point was israel is our closest ally in the middle east. it is something that we should protect and he wanted to make it very clear that anything that undermined israel, which is a great friend of the united states, he was going to make sure his voice was heard. and it worked. but look, what is the hit that he's been unbelievably successself so far as a president-elect? >> no but he's eclipsing the current president and we only have one president. >> we do. but if the president-elect wants to get things done he's going to get things done. >> you were on a different morning show before us. >> that's right. >> and there was a phone call that came in from mr. trump and
as we understand it you put the host on the phone or she took a phone call from the president-elect, and he -- as she reported it, he said to her let it be an arms race in terms of building up our nuclear capability with i guess against russia, let it be an arms race. because we will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all. what does let itness an arms race mean? >> it goes back to what i just said with respect to the tweet he put out. he is going to do what it takes to protect this country and if another country or countries want to threaten our safety, our sovereignty, he's going to do what it takes. >> but he's not waiting until another country threatens us. he's making these -- >> he's making it very clear -- right but he's making it very clear that other countries, and other companies, you've seen -- he's going to make it clear that he will be an active president that will get things done. >> meaning he will use nuclear weapons -- >> no, he will not take anything off the table. what it means is that he's not
going to sit back and let another country act. he needs to send a clear and consees message, which he's done, that he is going to be a president that defends america's interests and defends the american people. >> so you don't see these words as any sort of escalation? >> no, absolutely not. they're -- it is him or tick lating how he is going to be as president. >> you know we've been cautioned and warned through the election not to take him literally. that we in the media took him too literally. when are we supposed to take him too literally? >> i don't know that you agree with that. >> we take every tweet he sends out we are supposed to take those words literally? >> sure. >> let there be an arms race is literal? >> that was a private conversation. i was not privy to that. he is someone who gets things done. in the case of carrier, he saved jobs. lockheed is promising to build
the program down. the air force one, boeing says they're going to get it under a billion dollars. people are taking him literally and he's getting results. >> sort of. >> no, he's getting results. >> he wants to expand libel laws. are we taking that literally or -- >> i think that there's -- he fully respects the first amendment. that there's a big difference -- >> that's my point. when do we know when to take him literally. he does say some things sometimes designed just for effect. it sounds like. >> and he gets results. >> yeah. >> so. >> in that case he made it very clear that there are certain things that have to be done to make sure that the truth is taking -- that you can't just have impunity to say whatever you want and not have any consequences. so again there's nothing wrong with what he is saying at all. >> unless you don't like the truth. >> no, no, but there's a difference -- there's laws so getting things passed and done through the legal process is not some sort of nefarious thing.
that's how our country works. >> so every tweet you are telling us from now on with you as press secretary that we are to be able to take those words literally? >> of course you can. if they're from him, i think -- i don't know what else you would take them as. >> okay. sean, we look forward to work og with you. >> i look forward to seeing you. >> very interesting next few years. >> merry christmas. >> merry christmas to you, as well. >> great to have you here. >> all right, coming up we're going to get an update on our breaking news, including armed plane hijackers in malta. an island nation off the coast of north africa starting to release some of the passengers on board. who's getting off? how many remain? next. your insurance company
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are still on board as we get information we will bring it to you. >> that's very good news. meanwhile there's other breaking news for you. the manhunt is over for the berlin christmas market terror suspect. it ended near milan, italy, in a dramatic shoot-out. officers shot and killed the suspect. let's get the latest from cnn's ben wedeman in rome for us. ben, what have you learned? >> yes, alisyn. we understand from the italian police that around 3:00 in the morning in milan, in the working class suburb much seso san giovanni a routine police patrol stopped a man they said was acting suspicionly and asked for some form of identification. instead of identification, he pulled out a .22 caliber pistol and opened fire on the police patrol wounding one of them in the shoulder, and in the process, he shouted according to the italian police, police
bastards, at which point he ran behind a car to take cover. one of the police officers managed to get behind that car, shot twice hitting the -- him, this man, anis amri the berlin attacker, fatally in the chest. now they found on his body afterwards in addition to train ticket stubs indicating that he came from germany via france, stopping in turin, and then went to the central train station in milan before going he had on his body a small knife, several hundred euro, the police said however, that he vgs that he was by himself when he was stopped by the patrol outside of this train station. >> ben they know where he came from. do they know where he was headed at the train station? >> no, they don't.
but the question is why did he go to this particular part of town. now trains go from the central milan station to sesto san giovanni every 35, 34 minutes, takes it just a ten-minute ride costs 1 euro 80 cents. what was he doing there? amri spent most of his time in italy in prisons. six prisons, to be precise, in southern italy. so, there must have been a reason for him to go to this rather nondecrypt working class neighborhood outside milan so that's currently the focus of the investigation by italian authorities. >> understood. ben wedeman, thank you very much. all right. different topic. do you care who's going to be playing at the inauguration in terms of, you know, what celebrities, what acts? i really don't. and you and i are going to be standing out there all day long. >> i do. i want to know what music i'm going to be listening to. >> you know who really cares
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hillary, nothing. i want the people. joining us to talk about entertainment, and the inauguration we have cnn contributor and host of "entertainment tonight" michelle turner and cnn senior media correspondent and host of reliable sources brian stelter. brian, chris and i are going to be covering the inauguration. i want to know what celebrity spotting as well as what music we'll be listening to. we heard a few celebrities who politely declined the invitation, elton john, david foster, celine dion, no. what have you heard about who will be there? >> i'm an inauguration junkie. you don't know this about me. i love inaugurations, both the bushes, obama's first. and let's be honest, nobody cares about the entertainment. people are there for the president. we're there for the pomp and circumstance. >> why does the president-elect matter? why does the president-elect care? >> why does the president-elect care? well because he's a reality tv star and we're never going to have that part of him removed from him. he's always going to be the star of the apprentice. he cares about his fellow
celebrities. i don't think the folks going to washington on january 0.0020 -- >> hold on a second -- you just said he doesn't care -- >> tonight -- >> tweeting about it he shows he cares. >> care about the celebrity -- >> tweet about it if he didn't care. if you don't -- >> listen, donald trump before he became president-elect was a celebrity. and on its face, his type of celebrity should get a response to have big names at his inauguration. there's been a lot of things that have transpired and now the hollywood community is saying we're not touching this with a ten-foot poll. if he didn't care he wouldn't have said anything about it. he does care, especially because it's not really a partisan issue. during george bush's inauguration, he had people like destiny's child, president obama had kelly clarkson. beyonce, aretha franklin. so it looks like it has become a donald trump issue for hollywood and not a partisan issue. >> i agree that he cares. i'm just saying that the audience is going to be freezing in the cold that day. they're there to see trump.
>> i'm there for beyonce, brian, i'm sorry. >> hollywood is going to be one of those corners of the country that figures out what resistance to trump means. it's a buzz word right now. and it's starting to take shape. and this is what it's going to look like these celebrities refusing, even if they're being polite about it. >> i'm not seeing celebrities whyate. i'm seeing musicians. andrea bocelli. at one time he said he would perform but now he will not because he received backlash. garth brooks will not perform. at the inauguration. though earlier he said he would be honored to perform. so that's a little bit confusing. >> what garth brooks actually said was it's a service to your country if you're asked to do it you do it as a service to your country. but now, you know, there are reports, too, alisyn now that the beach boys are mulling an offer. >> the rockettes? >> the rockettes are going to perform apparently. but now there are some of their members coming out and saying that they are embarrassed and
upset by the fact that they weren't consulted directly before the invitation from the -- the -- and chris help me out here, owns it -- >> dolans -- >> james dolan just said that they would perform. so you know, there's still all of this back and forth and push/pull here. >> everybody walking on eggshells. everybody tiptoeing about what to do. >> yeah. >> you know unlike bush, unlike obama we see trump's approval or disapproval ratings. we're a much more divided country than we were eight or 16 years ago when those inaugurations were happening. it's understandable. these are essentially business calculations that all these groups are making. >> so you're saying that these musicians, brian, and celebrities are making a business calculation to be against the president of the united states? how is that going to work? >> about alienating the fans they have versus the fans they might not have. making their friends, mostly liberals in hollywood happy. some of that i think is very real. among not all but some of these artists. >> surprised not hearing about ted nugent.
>> -- the same thing. >> -- oh, you're right. i don't have -- >> you might see ted nugent in washington. >> okay. >> okay. >> kid rock. he's great. >> but again this is a bigger ceremony, some of it's about optics. some of it is about political persuasion. but at the end of the day, the president-elect doesn't like this rule, but what he gives attention to becomes real. but he chooses to ignore, stays. >> remember this came up during the convention also. we were expecting this reality tv convention, this wild rnc party, spectacle on tv and it turned out it was a pretty normal convention. i'm thinking the same thing will be true at the inauguration. >> what i hear you saying is scott baio may show up. >> i would not rule it out. remember trump says all these a-listers want tickets. let's see which of them actually come. >> brian, michelle, great to see you. >> thanks so much. happy holidays. >> let's take a quick break. i want to play cat scratch fever. >> all right. there is no typical day.
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