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. hello, everyone. it's the top of the hour, i'm martin savidge in for brooke baldwin. acclaimed actress and author carrie fisher has died. the iconic starlet passed away today after stuffing a heart attack aboard a los angeles-bound flight four days ago. she was 60 years old. fisher rocketed into fame with her portrayal of that tough-talking princess leia in "star wars." >> come on, admit it, sometimes you think i'm all right. >> occasionally. maybe. when you aren't acting like a scoundrel. >> scoundrel? scoundrel? i like the sound of that. >> stop that. >> stop what? >> stop that! my hands are dirty. >> my hands are dirty, too, what are you afraid of? >> afraid? >> you're trembling. >> i'm not trembling.
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>> you like me because i'm a scoundrel. there aren't enough scoundrels in your life. >> i happen to like nice men. >> i'm a nice man. >> no, you're not, you -- a short while ago the "star wars" franchise released this statement saying "carrie fisher, our princess, passes away." the president of lucasfilms saying "her ground breaking role as princess leia served as an inspiration of power and confidence for young girls everywhere." fisher hailed hollywood royalty. she was the daughter of the pop singer eddie fisher and the actress debbie reynolds. fisher's own daughter released a statement saying "she was loved by the world and she will be missed profoundly." i want to bring in paul vercammen who has been following the news of her death. paul, tell us about what happened on that flight last week. >> martin, i'm on hollywood
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boulevard where they're remembering carrie fisher fondly. when she was returning to los angeles for shooting in london about 20 minutes before that plane landed she suffered a massive heart attack. she was then hospitalized. this is on friday leading into christmas weekend. she stayed in ucla hospital and never recovered from the heart attack and a short time ago martin, behind me, one character dressed as darth vader, another as a storm trooper observed a moment of silence. billy dee williams, of course, was with carrie fisher in the "star wars" saga, most notably the empire strikes back and he says he is saddened by the loss of his dear friend whom he greatly respected and he perhaps characterized be what a lot of people are saying on hollywood boulevard and that is, martin "the force is dark today." >> paul, you know obviously that's a great place for people to come not only to share their loss but also just to reflect on
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how much princess leia and the whole "star wars" theme has played into people's lives over the decades. >> absolutely. there are so many, including steve martin who suggested that she was the most beautiful creature he had ever seen and martin also went on to say it turned out to say that she was witty and charming. i think what martin is eluding to is so many had a schoolboy crush on princess leia and when she began to show her absolute skill at writing "postcards from the edge" and so many other projects, she garnered so much acclaim and so many people were surprised at the depth of her ability to write her unvarnished confessions of fighting with addiction and being the daughter of hollywood royalty and she just garnered more and more admiration so here on hollywood boulevard, carrie fisher is one of the top icons. >> i also thought it was very -- just a wonderful promotion she went from being a princess to a general.
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it showed very much about how that role that brought her to stardom is also one she made her own and made even stronger as time went by. >> that's right, martin, the president of lucasfilms said "she was a pioneer." we eluded to this, not only coming out and openly talking about being bipolar and facing adiction but in being that strong female role model, that heroine and that's why she connected with so many fans, so many people and it's just revered, you don't hear a lot of tales of carrie fisher tore up this set or was completely out of control. they said she was witty and sharp, but unlike some people in hollywood, she didn't have a nasty girl reputation.
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>> and you came to realize the strength she portrayed on screen came from within her. it was no act. paul vercammen, thanks very much for joining us on hollywood boulevard. right now we're joined by someone who interviewed carrie fisher multiple times, michael musto, and i saying it right, michael? >> yes. musto. >> okay, thank you. he's a columnist with out.com, he's with us from new york and we appreciate your being here. so what are some of the best takeaways from the interviews you did with her over the years? >> i found somebody who was earnest and sincere and a decent per but who cloaked herself in a sardonic personality, somebody who was an acidic commentator on everything that ever happened to her. she was brilliant. one of the puniest people you'd want to meet and always had a stunt that she would pull but she was an outspoken and honest commentator on the problems that she suffered in her life, from bipolar disorder to drug addiction which was a daily
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problem because she was a recovering addict and her honesty helped defuse the stigma around celebrities and everybody who was a fan of her work. >> just watching her in her interviews how quick thinking she is and the humor that is so strong that comes out. i had forgotten about that. you told richard quest, my colleague, over the weekend that some of the hollywood gossip stories carrie fisher endured when her parents split made her not just stronger but as we remarked also funnier. so how did that shape who she was? >> people don't realize but eddie fisher dumped her mother for liz taylor. it was the original brangelina, the biggest gossip story of the decade. that's what carrie fisher had to deal with.
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she did novels where she talked about this show biz quadrangle and it made her stronger and funnier. she was almost like a dorothy parker for the modern age and "star wars" was such a small part of the mow psysaic of carr fisher. it was absurd, she would look at the merchandise and say "what does this have to do with me?" but she was nice to the fans who recognized her but that launched her into another existence as a commentator, not just actress but somebody who had a keen eye to everything happening in her life good and bad. >> she was also an excellent author, not only writing books but i understand that she often could be called upon if a script looked like it was in trouble. >> she was a script doctor but she would write her own novels. "postcards from the edge" became a brilliant movie directed by mike nichols. meryl streep plays the carrie fisher character, shirley
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maclaine plays the mother, but carrie told me it was not strictly autobiographical and she represented people wanted that. the mother in the movie is very insecure and wants the daughter to be famous but not more famous than she is, that's not debbie. carrie and debbie had a comb combative relationship at times but they were close and increasingly they became closer to the point where they practically completed each other's syllables. >> you talk about these interviews and you were very fortunate to be able to interact directly with her. i'm wondering, did you feel like even that person being so open and candid was the real carrie fisher? >> i do. the real carrie fisher was honest. she had no fourth wall, she delivered and felt safe with me because i was a kindred spirit to her. i'm funny -- not to pat myself on the back -- but i'm sardonic but basically optimistic and that's the way carrie was. so she opened up to me and i felt i had gotten the privilege of knowing the real person. >> michael musto, thank you so
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much for coming by and talking to us. up next, history being made today. soon the japanese prime minister will visit pearl harbor along with president obama. plus, a warning from a former north korean government official. kim joong-un wants nuclear weapons before the end of 2017. why he says the leader will stop at nothing to get them. we live in a pick and choose world.
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welcome back. we're getting close to a moment that is a moment in history that some say the world needs now perhaps more than ever. two nations once at war returning to the site where their conflict began, but this time together in peace. for the first time, the leader of japan will visit the uss "arizona" memorial at pearl harbor. he'll be with president obama. moments ago the two held a ballot ral meeting as they were about to visit the sacred grown. the "arizona" memorial is the final resting place of the soldiers and marines that were killed that drew america into world war ii. i'll turn cnn's athena jones in honolulu. athena, set the scene for us of these two leaders as they are about to take part in a remarkable healing moment of history. >> reporter: hi, martin, it will be remarkable as you mentioned. the first time a japanese prime minister, u.s. president are going to be visiting this
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memorial. what you can see behind me, the uss "arizona" memorial is the next step today before the two deliver remarks. they'll be laying wreaths at that memorial and we expect prime minister abe to offer prayers for the souls of those who died. not just there but also throughout pearl harbor on the day of that attack 75 years ago. this visit is coming seven months after president obama made history becoming the first sitting u.s. president to visit hiroshima and deliver remarks, pay his respects to those who died and now prime minister is doirng the same. these trips are serving as bookends. the white house says they serve as showing the power of reconciliation. the ability for these former adversaries to become the closest of allies more than seven decades later. president obama noted in hiroshima right after pearl harbor, the friendship between u.s. and japan could not have
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been imagined now you hear from u.s. officials when you're traveling in asia that this is the most important alliance in the u.s. for the asia-pacific region. so we expect to hear both leaders deliver remarks about 15 minutes each. we expect to hear from prime minister abe first. the prime minister said the triz it is would be to soothe the souls of the victims. we should never repeat the ravages of the war. we expect he'll touch on those themes. one thing we don't expect, martin, we don't expect him to offer an apology for the actions of his nation here 75 years ago. his press secretary tells us it's going to be a forward-looking speech that abe delivers much as president obama delivered a forward-looking speech in hiroshima and didn't apologize there. >> as much as i've heard it said it would be expressing regret but not an apology. athena jones, we'll rely on you
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to bring us that moment when it happens and let's take in this moment at pearl harbor and what it means. with me is craig shirley, a conservative political strategist who wrote the book "december, 1941, 31 days that changed america and saved the world." cnn's presidential historian tim neftali who once consulted in a nazi war crimes investigation and cnn military analyst retired lieutenant general mark hertling. craig, let me start with you. your book goes in-depth on what happened at pearl harbor and now you see these two leaders paying tribute to americans who died there and i'm wondering your thoughts about this remarkable time. >> well, martin, 75 years ago on december 7 is japanese attacked not just hey hawaii but other british and military installations and i like the idea of at least a few survivors of pearl harbor witnessing this historic event. although i'm not fond of the word "closure" i think it dud
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give everybody closure and reminds everybody of the time 75 years ago when how many things have changed. he pearl harbor was the linchpin of history, would there have been a president john kennedy, would we have developed rockets into space, would we have become the world's policemen? it literally changed our lives forever. >> that's right. i think in many ways we forget from war came certain lineage we still enjoy in peace. tim, you helped the japanese government look into war crimes now we have the moment when jap japan's prime minister is visiting this memorial which is extremely moving if you've not been. anyone who has seen it can't help but be moved when you leave. it comes seven months after president obama visited hiroshima. i want to play for some you some of the president's words then. >> since that fateful day we have made choices that give us
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hope. the united states and japan forged not only an alliance but a friendship that has won far more for our people than we could ever claim through war. >> so, tim, here's what i'm getting at. do you think the president deliberately lifted this coming full circle in japan for the end of his administration? >> well, he couldn't stock exchange manage the fact that it was the 75th anniversary but i think for president obama this is closure, to use the term that professor shirley mentioned, that is form of closure for him, too, his last head of government visit is occurring in his home state of hawaii. president obama has tried to pivot the united states and focus us more on asia. he understands that the united states has an essential role in helping to maintain security in
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asia. and for this to be the last visit and for it to be a visit of reconciliation makes sense in -- given the vision the president has. but i'd also point out one other things which that imagine a more moving moment than for a democratically elected japanese leader to come to pearl harbor to pay respects to those who died because an authoritarian japan, an imperial japan attacked us by surprise in december of 1941. that not only talks about how our country and our relationship with japan has evolved but how japan has evolved so it's a beautiful moment not simply for the united states and the obama administration but for japan and for asia. it's beautiful in many ways not just because of the weather. i wish i were there to watch it. >> i do, too. very much so.
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shinzo abe was the first foreign leader to meet with trump after he won election so i'm wondering now, trump has repeatedly said during his campaign that japan should pay more for the u.s. military forces inside his borders. how is this alliance going to change, or will it change? will it remain as strong as it has with the new administration? >> i certainly hope it remains as strong as it has been and has grown to be because it has grown to be a strong alliance. as mr. trump sees more and more the sharing of the alliance and mutual security between the united states and japan and other countries, he'll have a better understanding for how critically important these alliances are. you have two other historians on, being the military guy i tend to look at history in a different way. there's a lot of lessons to be learned that led up to pearl harbor. diplomacy, intelligence sharing, the ability to understand what other nations are doing. other nations in a region. what was going on with japan
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that caused the essential attack on pearl harbor. we as americans see this as almost a singular event but this was in the coming for almost two decades prior to that date in 1941 when the u.s. lost sight of some diplomatic efforts and intelligence sharing in the pacific theater so i think what mr. obama has done over the last several years to pivot to the pacific is an important thing and the emotions will be raw on that bridge that goes over that living tomb which is the batt battleship "arizona." the last time i was there there were japanese visitors with me on the bridge and it was an emotional moment for a soldier standing there with visitors so i can't imagine what it will be like for that japanese prime minister to be visiting with our president in terms of the bonds they forged over the last several years. >> tim, how do you think this is going to go over in japan? >> well, i don't know, the work
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that i did with the interagency working group on nazi war crimes, japanese war crimes was for our government who released material on japanese war crimes. i wouldn't say i'm an expert in japan but what i can't imagine. >> i'm assuming that there will be some beautiful pictures of the japanese prime minister at the uss "arizona" that will come out of this and i hope they have an effect on the japanese people and the fact that our president is going to be with this japanese leader together at that very touching and sacred side is extremely important. i wanted to add something to that the general said. one of the lessons of pearl harbor is that intelligence matters and that you ought to read it and the more and better it is, the more secure a country we are. that is one of the lessons of pearl harbor. that's a very important lesson 75 years later. >> right. a lesson that all administrations, even a new one coming to power, should take heed. craig, let me ask you one final
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thing, i think you started off talking about this. it is important there are survivors from pearl harbor that are there. in other words, there's someone still alive from that terrible day to see this remarkable moment. and it's powerful to have the human connection. >> absolutely. in world war ii you didn't go in and out of the -- out of service the way you did in vietnam what where you went in for 90 days. once you were in the military, active duty, you were in unless you were injured or killed. but -- so many of these guys who were at pearl harbor did not come home. they went right into the fleet and fought all four years of the pacific so their stories and bat. s are the stuff of legend so it's deeply moving and important. more so than we could possibly understand. >> i look forward to seeing the pictures and hearing the words.
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craig shirley, tim naftali and general hertling, thing for joining us to talk about this incredible moment. next, we'll have more on the passing of carrie fisher. we'll talk to a writer who spent an evening with the beloved "star wars" actress. he'll talk to us about what it was like to meet with her.
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we're going return to the sad breaking news we started with. carrie fisher has passed away. she was best known for her role in princess leia in "star wars." this comes just four days after she suffered a heart attack on a
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flight from london to l.a. she was taken off the plane and hospitalized and never recovered. cnn's larry king asked carrie about her transition into writing and her reaction to her own fame in 1990. >> when did you know you were a writer? we knew you first as an actress. >> well i was asked to write a book right after i got out of rehab about five and a half years ago and it came after i had done an article in "esquire." >> you didn't know before then that you could write? you didn't know as a kid you could write? >> i started writing when i was about 13 or 14, really bad poetry which i'll be doing a small series about someday. no. i wrote very bad poetry and, i don't know, journals that i have to burn before -- if i ever get crushed in an elevator so they don't come to public light. >> but never thought you would be a best selling writer of
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fiction? >> no. no. i had to be asked to do that, i don't think i would have had the nerve to suggest myself. >> were you surprised at the success of "postcards"? >> very much so. i didn't think of it as a book, i thought of it more as a boop so i don't have to take it seriously when i wrote it. and it was more difficult writing the second novel because i had to think of it as a novel and i don't like to think of anything as a novel. >> she is wonderfully funny as well as wonderfully candid. joining me on the phone is stephen thrasher, a writer at large for the "guardian" u.s. stephen, thanks for calling in for us. you also met with her recently but before i get to that i want to ask you something else. we know, of course, she had this heart attack on a plane last week and we hadn't heard a lot so i think we were fearing this, what are you learning about the circumstances of her death? >> i don't know anything inside.
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she had started writing for the "guardian" so some of my colleagues had been in touch with her family, i don't believe, but i don't have any personal inside, information, we were just pulling for her and i had the delight of meeting her and some of my colleagues to working with her so we were very concerned and hoping we were not going to have to be reminiscing as we are. >> so let's move on to this remarkable time you managed to spend with her at the white house correspondents' dinner. just what happened? how did it happen? >> it was really just one of the great nights of my life and i can't help but smile when i think about her now. we were going to the white house correspondents dinner. she came as our guest. she had not yet started to write for us but it was just in the beginning works but when i got the invitation, i had never been to the white house correspondents dinner and the only thing that i was focused on was that i was going to get to meet carrie fisher and her dog
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gary who i knew were going to be the stars of the evening, as they were. and carrie was the last to arrive. we met beforehand in with hotel. carrie was the last to arrive with gary and they utterly stole the show, as they should have. gary was her emotional support animal. he was about the most delightful dog i've ever met. my colleague had brought a rubber ducky that had princess leia buns on it and that made carrie extremely happy and we played catch with carrie and gary in the bar of the w hotel which is the most light hearted and happiest moment i can think of in my life. >> it's a wonderful memory and a very personal one because one you enjoy that the rest of us did not. you must have gone into meeting her with pre-conceived notions, "star wars" or otherwise and i wonder how they differ from the person and dog lover you got to
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meet. >> i was certainly a little intimidated. she was somebody -- i was born in 1977, the same year "star wars" came out so for everyone my age it has an incredible mark left on my lives from carrie fisher but as i became a writer, "when harry met sally" was a formidable film and she as marie is one of the great performances of her career that should be remembered in the coming days. but carrie fisher has written eight books, she worked on many screenplays so i was intimidated to meet her as a writer and i thought she wouldn't want to talk about "star wars." she had an incredibly light hearted way of talking about it, she had a self-deprecating sense of humor that wasn't mean, it was healthfully self-deprecating and throughout the night people kept coming up to her and she was totally gracious. but i don't think i was expecting how funny she was.
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she had no problem getting on the floor and playing catch in the w hotel. when we got seated at our table, the people next to us were offended at -- that gary was there. >> really? >> they never expected a dog being in the white house correspondents' dinner so carrie actually left. she left and took the dog back to the hotel but then she got back just in time for obama speaking and she sat down next to me and i had the wonderful opportunity to hear her running commentary. she loved obama, she kind of made fun of him when she thought he was being too naive but she laughed a lot with him, had a lot of respect for him and she lit up like a kid when he had a line about "star wars" in his speech and it was just beautiful to see her face lighting up with the same kind of delight my face had and so many people had when they watched her on screen. >> obviously in washington they haven't realized that they need more dogs and more animals to
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help liven up and perhaps lighten up the mood there. >> really. >> are you going to write about that whole experience? will you put this down somewhere or will it remain in this interview? >> i'm writing a piece, it will be up hopefully later today or tomorrow. i thought this would be something i would put out much later but as i've had the experience of so many people who have died this year, prince and others, i found there is just kind of, i hope, a healing experience for readers and writers to share what it is that we love about these people when they pass and so i hope that the joy i have that is of some comfort to other people because she was a wonder pfl person and it's unusual that for me to get to people meet that i've seen on screen for so long and it was great to find out she was this warm funny odd -- just really odd and i so admired the way she talked about youth and beauty not being things you earn, they
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just happen to you and then she went out and build a beautiful wonderful life as a writer and artist and actor and i'm glad i got to cross paths with her. >> yeah, all right. steven flasher, thank you very much for adding depth to the princess we all knew. thank you. next, moving on to something completely different, the bruising fight between israel and the united states. israel says it has evidence that the u.s. worked behind the scenes to get the vote passed at the united nations. and what we just learned about secretary of state john kerry and the speech he plans to give on middle east peace. plus, is north korea determined to get a nuclear weapon? a former north korean official is revealing all. we'll have that after this.
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we've just received a chilling warning about north korea from a top official who recently defected. he says the country's leader, kim jong-un, is determined to finish developing the nation's nuclear weapon program by the end of next year which i believe is ahead of many predictions i've heard so far. barbara starr is with us joining us from the pentagon. who is this defector and what else is he saying? >> hi, martin. this man was the deputy ambassador in london and defected several months ago, as you said. he has surfaced again in a news briefing saying kim jong-un, the leader of north korea, will do everything he can to get a nuclear weapons program up and running by the end of next year. that may be faster than the u.s. intelligence community predicts it could be but it is and i7bdication of rare insight into
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the regime and how committed it is to nuclear weapons. he says kim would forsake trillions in currency to keep with the nuclear program. now the north koreans have been testing missiles, they've been conducting underground nuclear tests, they're doing everything they can to get there. do they have some challenges ahead? yes. but that may not be the point, the point is this is a big signal that kim jong-un is determined to get a nuclear weapon that could potentially strike the united states and that put this is potential threat front and center for donald trump as he prepares to take office. martin? >> no question, that is some wonderful insight, i guess although frightening as it sounds coming from this recent defector from north korea. barbara starr reporting from the pentagon. thank you very much. just in, with 24 days left in office, secretary of state john kerry is said getting ready to outline a middle east peace plan tomorrow.
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we'll go live to israel next.
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israel's going ahead with a plan to build hundreds of new homes in east jerusalem, that's defying a u.n. resolution condemning settlement construction there. in what the international community refers to as occupied territory. the resolution led to a bitter war of words between the israeli prime minister and the white house. because although the u.s. abstained from the vote, a spokesman for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu told cnn they have "ironclad information" that the u.s. pushed for the resolution. that's a claim the u.s. denies. oren lieberman is live in jerusalem and before we get to the news of the building in east jerusalem, we have other news that's just in, that's that secretary of state john kerry will give a speech tomorrow at the state department on israel. what more are you learning about
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this? >>. >> well, we've checked to see what the prime minister's office and a number of other ministers here to see if there's a preemptive strike at the speech and everyone is waiting to see the plan but i suspect it won't change prime minister benjamin netanyahu's position even one iota. he made it clear israel had no intention of abiding by the resolution and that brings us to the building plans for east jerusalem. the plans in the city of jerusalem, that is to say the jerusalem municipality, offer hundreds of homes in east jerusalem. those plans were on the agenda before the security council vote and that's the point, they're staying on the agenda. the city of jerusalem is effectively ignoring the security council resolution as is, for now, prime minister benjamin netanyahu who again says he has no intention of israel abiding by this resolution. martin? >> oren lieberman, thanks very much for that update. breaking news, our first images of obama and japanese
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prime minister shinzo abe holding their last bilateral meeting together where they will discuss security, economic, and global abcollachallenges. this is seven months after president obama traveled to hiroshima to pay the respects to the thousands who died there. the leaders will deliver remarks at joint base pearl harbor this afternoon and they will participate in a wreath-laying ceremony aboard the uss "arizona" memorial. when that happens we'll bring it live. let's have a bigger conversation on this and much more in politics now with cnn chief political correspondent dana bash and cnn politics editor juana summers. dana, let me start with you. trump weighed in on the expansion. here's what he says "the united nations has such great potential but right now it's just a claub for people to get together, talk and have a good time.
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so sad. dana, how do you think republican lawmakers are taking that talk and will it influence john kerry's speech tomorrow? >> i think there are a lot of republican lawmakers who agree with him and they are emboldened with that notion by what happened before christmas with the u.n. resolution. already -- immediately after that resolution passed, the one condemning israel for settlements, lindsey graham and other republicans and some very staunchly pro-israel democrats were saying they want to withhold funding to the u.n. it's not so much about from the perspective of people upset with the u.n. or having fancy parties and doing talking but not a lot of action, it's what they haven't done. and you know this, they haven't acted as forcefully as many people, including pope francis, has called for them to do, on
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aleppo. or other hot spots, places where there are serious refugee crises around the world and instead they focused on something like what they did on friday which certainly made the palestinians happy, they felt they had a plight that was not listened to until then but that kind of speaks to what donald trump was getting thereat and he does have a fair amount of support for that notion in congress. >> there's no question the u.n. has grand failings. there's a lot of successes that go underreported. juana, am i saying it right? >> it's juana, thank you very much. let's turn to the transition. the president-elect has just tap add former bush administration official top his top advisor on i think it's cyber security and counterterrorism. the trump team says thomas bossert's position was elevated -- that's how they put it -- so he is now equal to haze
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inner -- that's retired general michael flynn -- who has called islam a political ideology. my question is this, is that a good balance and what does this selection say about what trump envisions going forward? >> so thomas bossert is someone known from his colleagues in the bush white house as well as those on capitol hill as someone who is capable about facing threats about cyber crimes and other threats facing the nation. so to me when i look at that pick alongside a pick like lieutenant general flynn that shows a calculation from the trump team that they want to take attention away, perhaps, show balance between these two men with lieutenant general flynn having the criticisms and scrutiny you mentioned over his ties to russia, comments on israel a islam and peddling what some would call as conspiracy theories. >> balance is a good thing but
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if it leads to fighting back and forth it's not a good thing. >> and marty just the >> when we began after 9/11 in the bush administration, he had the first homeland security adviser. and that was a separate position, separate staff from the national security adviser. the obama team blended them together because they felt, just to your point, that there was so much overlap that they needed to work together. well, now i am told that it will be a bit more separated to, in the words of the trump transition, elevate the homeland security adviser who will now also focus a lot on cyber security. i and my colleagues are as well betting some pushback from obama officials today, some calls saying, wait a minute. what does that even mean? the current homeland security adviser lisa monaco, has direct and immediate access to the
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president. she has the ability to walk into the oval whenever she wants. she has a prime seat at the principal's meeting, the national security meeting that president obama runs. so what difference does it make? which lead to juana's point which is something we can safely lean into, which is to give people in washington and, frankly, around the country who are a little bit concerned about some of the things that general flynn has said, a little bit of hope and a sigh of relief that they have somebody in there that they are more comfortable with. >> might be a bit more of a moderate. we'll see. moving the discussion on. cnn's chief national security correspondent. jim sciutto, interviewed senators lindsey graham and john mccain. graham says when it comes to putin and russia's interference with the u.s. election nearly the entire congress disagrees with donald trump. >> accept the assessment, he's
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doubled and tripled down on talking about a cozier relationship with putin, denying the intelligence community's assessment. what are you going to do, senator graham and senator mccain, if he doesn't change his tune, in effect, on russia? >> there are a hundred united states senators. amy klobuchar is on the trip with us. a democratic in minnesota. 99 of us believe the russians did this, and we're going to do something about it, along with senator mccain after the trip is over, we'll have the hearings and put sanctions together that hit putin as an individual, and his inner circle, for interfering in our election. they're doing it all over the world, not just in the united states. estonia is hit all the time. they're interfering in elections in democratic countries' efforts to self-determination all over the world. just not in our back yard. >> this is not the sort of thing a new president, a new administration, wants to be
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bogged down with right off the start, is it? >> it's absolutely not. i think this kind of foreshadows what we'll see as a fascinating dynamic between capitol hill republicans and president-elect trump's administration when it comes to foreign policy and a bevy of issues. this is a particular issue that senator graham noted in the interview with jim sciutto has drawn together republicans and democrats, with the white house not on the same side of it for this one. >> we've seen how this can start off badly. let's hope it does not. dana bash. juana summers, thank you both. record holiday sales this season. donald trump is taking credit for it. and his election really giving the economy a boost already?
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gifts in hand. as americans were expected to spend more this holiday season. one survey of retailers indicates that holiday sales may actually exceed $1 trillion. president-elect donald trump is crediting his win for the big boost in sales. he tweeted, quote, before i won there was no hope. now the market is up nearly 10% and christmas spending is over a trillion dollars, unquote. so let's talk about this cause and the trump possible effect with cnn money's cristina alesi. ni nice to see you. does the credit really all belong to trump? >> no, it doesn't. predominantly because the number he seems to be referencing is a three-month-old estimate. we won't know what retail sales are for a little while until the government comes out with the number. let's keep in mind also, the economy has been doing fairly well now. in fact, the market is up over 200% since the bottom back in 2009. so we have seen a steady
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increase. look, was there an increase since the election? absolutely. about 9%. and that is attributable in part to certainty over who will be president. also, let's keep in mind that congress is now controlled by one party. so investors are seeing that as a sign that some of the gridlock will be cleared up in washington and investors are bullish on the fact that we might get tax cuts as a result of the new administration. if you want to take credit on that front, that's fine. but it's important to reiterate the larger context, which is this market has been on a tear for quite some time now. >> but there were some. i know at the outcome of the election, who were fearing some kind of economic meltdown or just that the markets would react negatively for maybe a week or so. that never happened. they just continued to go right on up as if nothing had happened. >> yes, because trump had talked
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about, for a long time, reducing taxes, especially on corporate america and reducing regulation. so once the market got calculatclarity on who the president would be and they got clarity on his policies, you know, that helped boost prices. but here is the thing to keep in mind. now that that's been baked into the market, many market participants are questioning whether or not these indices have gone too far too fast and whether or not all the positive information has been baked in and we have yet to see whether or not, a, trump can pull off the policies that he has been talking about and, b, that consumers and companies react in the way that investors want them to react. what does that mean? that means that, instead of saving the tax savings, that they'll actually spend them.
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because that is going to be what drives economic growth at the end of the day. >> all right. we'll see if we're going to break 20,000 before the end of the year. cristin cristina alesci. thank you for joining us. i am martin savidge. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. i sense a great and sad disturbance in the force. "the lead" starts right now. losing leia. nothing but dazzlingly human. actress and writer carrie fisher dies at 60 years old. for many of us part of our childhood goes with her. i do solemnly tweet president-elect donald trump's thumbs at it again slamming the united nations as his incoming press secretary says twitter will make his presidency really exciting. plus, how far we've come. president obama appearing in just moments along with japan's prime minister during a visit to pearl harbor. remembering a day

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