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responders, medical responders or the family that as you mention is going through so much as you sort of try to sort through the tragedy will be able to get a better understand of her condition. >> thoughts and prayers with them tonight. thank you so much and thank you so much for joining us tonight. ampx c 360 starts now. good evening everyone. i'm jim sciutto in again tonight for anderson. and we begin with president elect donald trump speaking briefly with reporters a short time ago and contradicting himself on something he wrote just earlier today on twitter with little more than three weeks go until inauguration today. mr. trump has been taking swipe after swipe at president obama on twitter and the president has been jabbing back. today he suggested the transition isn't going so well but then just a short time ago at mar-a-lago he said it is going smoothly and he and the president had a very nice conversation. he spoke for less than two
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minutes starting with an announcement about jobs. have a listen. >> we just had. so very good newspaper news. because of what's happening and the spirit and the hope, i was just called by the head people at sprint. and they are going to be bringing 5,000 jobs back to the united states. they are taking them from other countries. they are bringing them back to the united states. and mos is a and others were very much involved in that. i want to thank them. and one web is going to be hiring 3,000. very exciting. a combination of sprint for 5,000 jobs and that is coming from all over the world and they are coming back into the united states which is a nice change. and also one web, 3,000 jobs. that is a new company. and it was done through mossa, terrific guy and we appreciate it. >> did you speak with president obama today? >> i did.
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he phoned me. we had a very nice conversation. a general conversation. the secretary's speech really spoke for itself but we had a general conversation. very nice. appreciate it that he called. >> do you want the united states to leave the u.n.? >> there is such tremendous potential but it is not living up. when do you see the united nations solving problems? they don't. they cause problems. if it lives up to the potential it is a great thing. if it doesn't as the waste of time and money. thank you very much. >> now on that sprint jobs announcement the company as now released a statement saying that it will create or bring back 5,000 jobs. however there are no specifics when it comes to what president elect trump said concerning president obama, that was a total about face from what he had been tweeting just a short time before. sunland surfati reports.
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>> president elect donald trump tonight clearly attempting to lower the temperature after earlier in the day he escalated his public spat with the president. tweeting today "doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory president o. statements and road blocks. thought it was going to be a smooth transition. not." . all of this coming after president obama used his high profile speech at pearl harbor tuesday to take a veiled jab at his successor. >> even when hatred burns hottest. even when the tug of tribalism is at its most primal, we must resist the urge to turn inward. we must resist the urge to demonize those who are different. >> the escalating war of words between the outgoing and incoming president a sharp departure in the immediate postelection vow to work together. >> we now are going to want to
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do everything we can to help you succeed. >> with promises from both sides of a peaceful transfer of power. >> i very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future, including counsel. >> reporter: but their relationship showing strains publicly. obama clipping he thinks he could have won the election if he could have run again. >> i'm kfts if i had run again and articulated it i think i could have mobilized a majority of the american people to rally behind it. >> trump tweeting right back, president obama campaigned hard and lost. the voters wanted to make america great again. and taking another swipe at the president. trump talking in the third person giving himself credit on the economy, tweeting the u.s. consumer confidence index for december surged nearly 4 points to 113.7, the highest level in more than 15 years, thanks
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donald. at mar-a-lago today trump trying to focus on his own transition, receiving an intelligence briefing, meeting with his national security team and according to transition officials resuming meetings with potential members of his administration. ed. >> sunland surfati joins us now. what is the reaction from the white house on all this? what are they saying about this phone call? >> well jim, the white house reacting tonight confirming saying it was a positive call and specifically saying that it was president obama that was the one that phoned president elect donald trump from hawaii this afternoon. we know they did speak about -- according to white house spokesman eric schultz -- continuing a smooth and effective transition is how he put it and emphasized the two would continue these discussions over the next few weeks. >> we have donald trump speaking live right now. we're going to go to his comments there in florida. >> i have a foundation that has
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given millions and millions of dollars to people over the years. and it is -- it's been, you know, very well thought of. and we'll see what happens. we'll just see what happens. but it's given millions and millions of dollars. zero expense. zero. nobody has that. they know of. but zero expense. so that is working out very nicely. >> how close are you to showing off the plans for your business? >> oh yeah that is very routine. honestly, as the very routine thing. it is not a big deal. you people are making that a big deal, the business. because number one when i won they all knew i had a big business all over the place. in fact i reported it with the federal elections. as the much bigger business than anybody thought. it is a great business. but i'm going to have nothing to do with it. i'm going just -- i don't have to because as you know i wouldn't have do but i want do that because i want to focus on the country. but when i ran people know i have a very big business so i mean they didn't elect -- they elected me i guess partially for
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that reason. so i think that is going to work out very easily. as the very -- it is actually a very simple situation. it is not big deal. and we'll be having a press conference some time in early january. >> -- elaborate more on your conversation with obama today. is the transition of power going as smoothly as indicated? >> he could malled me h. we had a good talk about things. he was in hawaii. it was a very nice call and i actually thought we covered a lot of territory. >> are you satisfied with the transition thus far. >> our staffs are getting along very well. and i'm getting along very well with him, other than a couple of statements and i responded to. and we talked about it. and smiled about it. and nobody is ever going to know because we're never going to be going against each other in that way. it was a great conversation.
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>> senator graham today said putting together sanctions going after putin personally. would you back that? >> i don't know what he's doing? i haven't spoken to senator graham. haven't spoken to -- as you know he ran against. >> you have to admit he shocked the world. >> senator graham ran against he. i haven't spoken against him since. >> what -- >> i think we ought to get on with our lives. i think computers have complicated our lives very greatly. the whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what is going on. and we have speed and a lot of things and i'm not kind the security that you need. and i have not spoken with the senators and i will certainly will be over a period of time.
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>> -- [inaudible]. >> i'm very strong on israel. if you look at what's happened, they are up for 20 reprimands and other nations that are horrible places that treat people horribly haven't even britain reprimanded. so there is something going on and i think it is very up fair to israel. thank you very much. thank you. >> we've been listening to president elect donald trump there, who you will note is appearing alongside the boxing promoter don king who's having a private meeting there with him tonight at his mar-a-lago estate. certainly a lot of comments there both on his charity and on his business ties on russia and on israel. to talk about this joining me tonight is trump supporter kayleigh mack nicenany.
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starting with what donald trump said about his business empire. one, it is very routine. he says it is not complicated that you, meaning the media are making it complicated. he also made this point that when i ran people knew i had a big business, as if to say, to justify keeping that. but he did go on to say that he would have an early january press conference. in your view, you are a presidential historian. is it route on the have a president with multiple business holdings around the world while he's serving as president? >> no. we've never had somebody like donald trump, a billionaire with so many different vested interests scattered around the worl. it is hard to track it for "new york times" or washington post all of his business deals. but i think he surrounds himself with greet great lawyers and they are going to find a way to
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help. i thought he just said is what he's been saying. we're working on it and we'll have to wait and see once he's swosh as president. >> just by the dempx of conflict of interest. you don't have to be managing the business to have still have a conflict of interest in you have a financial interest in whatever those businesses are? right? >> especially if your sons are running the business and they are also on the transition team interviewing people for federal jobs. it is really an invitation for people to try to get something from the united states government by giving something to the trump business. and we've already started seeing that. foreign governments moving their events to trump hotels in an effort to curry favor. and you don't have to listen the democrats. the former republican ethics czar from george bush administration said clearly there is only one way to get around that and which is
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divesting assets and putting it in a blind trust. donald trump will still have plenty of money. and i think just even from a shear political point of view he would be well-advised to put this issue behind him. it is very dangerous for the way our government works for this kind of potential corruption to exist and it is going to be ab issue throughout his presidency. >> kayleigh, how do you answer that? when other people serve in government they even have to sell stock, right? not just controlling companies. lot of them just buy bonds but a they don't even want to have the appearance of conflict of interest. why wouldn't donald trump want to eliminate that? >> i think he's taking great pains to avoid an appearance of conflict of interest. and doing so every day devising something too help him avoid that. but i think it is really important to point out here he's going to extraordinary measures that he doesn't have to take.
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18 us c-section 202 of the 2 united states code says the president does not have a conflict of interest. he has to avoid the e mullments clause and make sure he's not receiving gifts from foreign leaders. >> the kmoernts there errol lewis, as we were listening to the president elect that stad out was on russia. our own reporting is that the obama administration could announce as soon as tomorrow retaliation against russia for hacking the election. of course donald trump does not respect the premise that russia hacked the election. and he even was asked about that and his comments were well we ought to get on with our lives. it is the age of computers. you never really know with computers. that sounds like this difference between the outgoing president and the i incoming president on this key national security issue that they are still miles apart on this. >> right jim.
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and it is also i think donald trump doing something he doesn't really have to do. if there is a question about the legitimate soift the outcome of the election. one could understand that incoming administration would like to minimize that. so fine. that is understood. he might be a little reluctant. but the reality is we're past that. the electoral college has voted. the inauguration is being planned. he's going to be the 45th in the of the united states. and by and large there will not be any serious questions about the legitimate soift the election that brought him into power. >> again, not just the presidency was hacked but tampering and interference in congressional races. a very serious matter. he can i guess propose to try to
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continue with let's get on with our lives but the people who are very concerned about this very serious national security issue, they are not going to get on with their lives. >> listen everyone please stick around. we're going to have a great opportunity to continue this conversation right after the break and later the war of words now raging between this administration and the israeli government, as well as the president elect's take on it. all this when 360 continues.
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situations bubbling over during this transition. particularly after the u.n. security council residence rugs. how is this going to be resolved? >> it is stark right now the differences in foreign policy and it is not going to be resolved till donald trump gets in the presidency. i think the media cycle is so fast right now that we're dealing things minute by minute by minute basis and it is starting to seem like a long transition for president obama. i was disappointed that donald trump had the nerve really to start trying to insinuate himself into the foreign policy arena, in my opinion too much so. but they are determined that for the moment obama and trump to kind of walk through things. but it is clear it is not going to go well in the foreign policy arena. netanyahu is going to be a great friend of trump. and president obama is one of the world leaders he dislikes
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the most. >> kayleigh mcenany. how do you answer that criticism? there is this old rule of thumb i suppose of only one president at a time. do you think that donald trump is unfairly, unwisely wading in, in effect before he is inaugurated? >> i don't think so. i think it was entirely fair to advocate when you are asked by the israeli prime minister for the united states to do what they have always done and that is to say, reject and veto any condemnation of israel at the u.n. which we know is hostile to the usain bolt. so -- u.n. >> that's not true. successful u.s. president, both parties have sometimes voted for abstained on resolutions, some 71 resolutions that have been critical of israel. so it is not the first time that you have had the u.s. allow a resolution like this go through. >> but as the "new york times" points out. as the huge break with tradition to actively condemn israel and the settlements at the united nations.
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that is a break with trings. but not only do that, i do find it ironic there is this push for donald trump to wade in when it comes to russia. he needs to get out there he needs to say russia did. this he has to be out in public on this. there is a push to wade into national and foreign policy measures when convenient but then when he does on another issue there is a onslaught of criticism that he's wading in prematurely. >> peter, what do you make of this conflict playing out between the outgoing and incoming administrations? >> on israel the macro question is will the two state solution survives. the obama administration i think has wanted to do something at end at least for its legacy sake to show it didn't want the two state solution to die without putti putting up some kind of fight. benjamin netanyahu has been
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extremely hostile to the two state solution. he himself in 2014 said israel should never withdraw troops from the west bank. and the trump administration you have an israeli ambassador to israel who's also hostile to the two-state solution. so that is the macro question here. the question is do you believe a two state solution is in israel and america's interest or not? and i bam on one side and netanyahu and trump on the other. >> errol, on a number of these issues with this resolution on israel and cnn's reporting that as soon as tomorrow the president could announce retaliatory action against russia on the hacking. do you see president obama trying to effect tie donald trump's hands before he leaves office? >> no i don't think it is anywhere near that petty or small. i think this is really more about obama trying to ensure his own legacy and arguing as peter points out that the two state
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solution, i mean we heard a long discourse and lecture about it from the secretary of state kerry today that if this is what you believe in, if this is what part of your politics is about you have got to put a marker in the ground. i think of on the question of russia it is very, very clear that for a guy who says america first is going to be his main policy, you have got donald trump sort of doing the bidding of other foreign leaders. whether netanyahu or putin. so i think he probably could have spared himself some of what obama seems to be doing if he had waded until january 20th. i think the problems of the world will be waiting there for him. he may in retrospect wish that maybe he had let the middle east issue wait just a few more weeks because he's going to be living with it every day from the moment he gets inaugurated. but he chose to sort of jump out there and here we are. >> well errol, kayleigh. douglas and peter. thanks very much for piping in
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tonight. up next we'll explore the secretary of state's speech today that the president elect reacted to. very sharp words. very sharp reactions and not just from israel. you can't predict the market. but through good times and bad... t. rowe price... ...we've helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. it has long been called storm of tiny bubbles, the champagne of beers. ♪ if you've got the time welcome to the high life. ♪ we've got the beer ♪ miller beer
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123450. with don king by his side donald trump reaffirmed his strong support for israel. secretary kerry also talk talked about support but salted it with tough talk. friends need to tell each other tough truths and for him that is the israeli settlements he believes are sinking the peace process. >> let's be clear. settlement expansion has nothing do with israel's security. >> and israeli's prime minister lashed back and hard. >> israelis do not need to be lectured about the importance of peace by foreign leaders.
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>> and once again the president elect offered no substantive comment telling reporters that it speaks for itself. however on twitter earlier he spoke volumes. more on that now from cnn's elise labben. >> the status quo is leaning towards one -- >> reporter: in a lengthy and deeply personal final plea secretary stt kerry issued a strong warning to israel that a two state solution was jeopardy. directing his aim at netanyahu. >> the israeli prime minister publicly supports a two state solution. but his current coalition is the most right wing in israeli history with an agenda driven by the most extreme elements. >> reporter: at the same time defending u.s. support of israel. >> no american administration has done more for israel's security than barack obama's. >> reporter: quickly called the speech a biased attack that only
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played lip service to palestinian terror. >> what e did was spend most of his speech blaming israel for the lack of peace. >> at a bitter war of words between u.s. and israel after washington refused to veto a u.n. resolution don chemming israeli settlements, allowing to it pass. >> some seem to believe the friendship means the u.s. must accept any policy regardless of our own positions, our own words. our own princes. >> >> reporter: israel says it has proof washington secretly ork traited the vote. >> we have it on absolutely incontestable evidence that the united states organized, advanced and brought this resolution. >> kerry denied the claims and framed the vote as an effort to save israel from a policy that threatened its future as a jewish state. >> we reject the criticism that this vote abandons israel. on the contrary, it is not this
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resolution that is isolating israel. it is the permanent policy of settlement construction that risks making peace impossible. and virtually every country in the world other than israel opposes settlements. >> reporter: in his four years as secretary of state a deal between skrooel israelis and palestinians have escaped kerry but he rejects the idea that he failed. >> i didn't fail. we didn't fail. the united states didn't fail. we put what i think is still the solution on the table. but the parties failed. >> reporter: even before kerry spoke, president elect trump and netanyahu criticized the obama administration. trump tweeting we cannot continue to let israel be tweeted with such total disdain and disrespect. stay strong israel, january 20th is fast approaching. netanyahu responded president elect trump thank you for your warm friendship and clear cut
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support for israel. >> elise joins us now with cnn global affairs analyst aaron david miller. he's advised democratic and republican administrations on the middle east. and cnn political analyst carl bernstein. and back with us cnn presidential historian douglas brinkley as well. elise, we've heard outpouring of reaction to the speech today including from the senate minority leader charles schumer saying it's e emboldened extremists on both sides. leisure than a month left in the obama administration. why make the speech now? >> he's been wanting to for a long time. and the election came up and they didn't want to do anything to undermine hillary clinton. and then when donald trump came in and was elected i any that true them. they didn't want to do anything to push him more into israel's arms but i think when they looked what the's been happening over the last few years in
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israel. that accelerated settlement activity. the move in israeli politics to the right. you heard secretary kerry talk about the most extreme, the extremist, the settle lers really dominating the political scene. they saw the two state solution was slipping away and see what's happening in this country. donald trump was elected. he spoke about moving the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. he pointed a hard line ambassador. >> who dismissed the two state solution. >> talks about annexing the west bank. so they really felt in good conscience they couldn't walk out the door without putting their finger on the scale as they see peace slipping away. >> you have written speeches for republican and democratic secretary oxygen state. you say this was particularly personal for secretary kerry. why? >> he's been the energizer bunny of the american diplomacy. his mantra is it is better to try and fail than not the try at
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all. and that is what bill clinton said to us in july 2000. the problem is if you fail repeatedly, than trying and failing is not better than trying at all. because it undermines american credibility. and the reality is he's right. it is not the u.s.'s fault. the reality is the guy in the middle has an impossible job. because israelis and palestinians are not yet ready or able or willing to make the core decisions necessary to allow a mediator to broker and bridge the gaps. >> arguably moving further away. carl in terms of the politics of the speech today, i'm sure they didn't imagine they were changing many minds in the trump administration with this. so why do this? is it setting a marker down? >> first of all. benjamin netanyahu and the party are not israel. israeli is a great democracy divided like our own pretty much
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down the middle between left and right. in fact general mattis, the incoming secretary of defense has said much the same as secretary kerry said today. he has called the settlements unsustainable. and the only answer is a two-state solution. what we have here all day what we've been seeing is the radical change in our presidential government that is represented by donald trump. on arms control we see it. on relations and containment of russia we see it. and now in terms of pursuing a two-state solution. and israel we see it. we've never this kind of radical change in a presidency. you have to two back before rose investment and hoover to have such a change. so we need to look at all of this in historical context. doug brinkley can tell us a bit about that i'm sure. but this is a total break on all of these policy areas with the immediate past of american policy. arms control, israel.
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etc. >> foreign and domestic. doug, the relationship between the obama dplings and the netanyahu administration strained as you know r know for some time. clearly at this point at an all time low or beyond. i want to play sound. earlier today i spoke with israel's ambassador to the u.s. and his words and tone suggested this went beyond just policy differences. please have a listen. >> secretary of state for 72 minutes and blame israel for lack of peace. we need a palestinian leadership that will say they are willing to live with jews among them and next to a jewish state. that's not been said. that's what this conflict has been about. >> to accept that -- >> to accept that there will be a nation state of the jewish people next to them. >> so you are seeing there we talk about division here in the u.s. there is certainly division in israel. but the division over israel between the u.s. and between now incoming and outgoing
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administrations. really unprecedented. >> it truly is and what carl said is exactly right. we haven't seen anything like this. in the sense that ever since the camp david accords with jimmy carter when i interviewed president carter for a book i did. he's so sad he never got the palestinian solution done. the two state solution done right. and it's been like the holy grail for state department diplomats if you can make a camp david peace type thing between israel and pasten you will be almost a nobel peace prize winner. john kerry threw his whole soul into doing this only now to have trump talk about moving the embassy into jerusalem and having netanyahu just backlash on obama and kerry in such a dramatic fashion that it looks like the la cute party. and if trump goes on with moving our embassy in jerusalem.
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it is kind of end of a peace process that went from carter to obama and heading into a new world order in that part of the world coming up where israel might be throwing in the towel on the settlement idea. even though netanyahu publicly says he wants a two state solution. privately kerry's understands he really doesn't. >> also dangerous. whether or not this is fact-based change trump is going into or more intuition. i think there is real danger in intuition above fact. >> before we go, the israeli prime minister was speaking in english today. his audience here in the u.s.? >> i think that's right. and the speech wasn't broadcast
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let alone in hebrew and english in israel. you had two discrete audiences. the prime minister speaking to next president of the united states and john kerry i don't think speaking to the israelis. i think trying to figure a way. he knows what's coming. he knows the two-state solution may be dead but it is not quite dead and buried. and they need to create a flame of reference to basically make it unmistakably clear to the world that they believe rightly or wrongly they have identified the problem. they have tried everything they could to help diffuse and resolve it. and in the end it is not their responsibility and not their fault. >> sad fact of history. thanks very much. we appreciate having you all on. coming up and of course carl bernstein. how will the obama administration retaliate for russia hacking the election? we may know and may know as soon as tomorrow. details plus the way russia has
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already responded. that's right after this
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donald trump was given the opportunity tonight to acknowledge the intelligence community consensus that russia is responsible for computer hacking during the u.s. presidential election. he did not. his remarks came in the answer to a question about gop senators
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mccain a mccain and graham planning sanctions against the putin government. have a listen. >> i think we ought to get on with our lives. i think the computers have complicated lives very greatly. the whole, you know, age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what's going on. we have speed, we have a lot of other things but i'm not sure uv the kind of security that you need. but i have not spoken with the senators. and i certainly will be over a period of time. >> officials tell us the white house is going to announce possibly as soon as tomorrow how it will retaliate against russia for hacking. cnn justice correspondent evan perez joining me with the latest. evan, what do we know about the sanctions and responses the u.s. is considering? >> well after debating this for months, this issue internally the obama administration is ready to name names. as it tries to respond to russian meddling in the u.s. election. officials at the white house are still finalizing the retaliatory measures but we're told to
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expect new sanctions and diplomatic measures. they are expected to name individuals who are associated with the russian disinformation operation that u.s. intelligence officials say was at least partly focused on harming hillary clinton's presidential campaign. and then there are convert actions we may never know about in which the u.s. says it can take when it chooses, jim. >> russia i assume is responding to the threat of sanctions? >> oh yes. lies and misinformation is what the russians say the obama administration is up to. a kremlin spokesperson says quote if washington does take new hostile steps, they will be answered. any action against russian diplomatic missions in the u.s. will immediately bounce back to russia. and we're likely to see this remain in the diplomatic sphere. not an escalation of cyber warfare. >> which they are concerned about escalating further. when the trump administration takes over in january, what
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happens then? are these the kind of steps that a president trump could reverse? >> absolutely. this is a presidential action so president trump can undo all of this with the stroke of a pen. the president elect has already said he doesn't really believe that the russians were behind these hacks. but he'll have to contend with a few hurdles, jim. you know before president obama leaves office we're expecting to see a report in the coming weeks that will provide more detable about what the intelligence agencies now about what the russians were doing. and he'll also have to contend with members of congress. as you know there is strong support there for sanctions remaining against russia. >> evan perez, thanks very much for staying on the story. joique me now with more cnn intelligence and security analyst and former cia officer bob baer. and former cia operations officer steven hall. as we heard evan perez just report some of the steps the
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administration is expected to take include naming individuals. but when you are naming names i assume one of the concerns is vealing how you were able to learn those names. the intel to back it up. which is of course something the intel agencies want to keep secret. >> yeah. absolutely. it is sort of a central tension in our society. you are clan destined operations and people collecting things secretly and yet this desire to also know where it came from and how you got it and then of course what to co-once you have the information. so it is a real problem and something that has to be really handled very delicately. >> the trouble with this is it has become extremely political. you have on outgoing president identified russia as the culprit and about to punish russia. and an incoming president that's denied it. and others saying where is the evidence? show us the evidence so there is enormous pressure it seems to
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show some of that evidence now. >> exactly. now what they could do, an alternative is to give the cia a finding, a convert action finding, which would allow the president to retaliate against russia in secret. all he has to do is write this finding. the cia implements it. the intel committees are informed. and let's say, for instance, he -- he could ask the cia to hack russian computers. look into putin and his corruption around him. that's a alternative. if he doesn't want go the sanctions way or simply put out the information. it may indeed be very, very secret and sources and methods would be compromised which he won't do. and by the way if he does this, he's going to set up incredible trap for trump to. have a finding like this. the intel committee is informed and trump is going to be hard put to withdraw that finding
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without presenting evidence himself. >> steve you wrote well today in the piece in the washington post about how many times in your experience where whether it was diplomats or government officials who received key intelligence from you but then were frustrated because they couldn't then go to the world and share that intelligence. and i imagine this is a case like that to some degree. >> yes it is. and it is going to be really particularly tough because as bob correctly indicates. this is a political season we find ourselves in. and so it is one thing to have relatively routine piece of intelligence but perhaps have it, you know, clandestinedly acquired. but when the american people and incoming president all clambering for knowing exactly where did it come from and how can we prove it? all of dhoez stathose start you slippery slope which keeps you from collecting the same intelligence in the future and
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perhaps compromising someone's life. so it is a really serious thing. it is difficult. >> bob, you are a vet of the agency, the cia. we have now an incoming u.s. president here who has repeatedly and vocally expressed his distrust of the intelligence community on this assessment that russia is behind the hacking. when you hear that, how concerning is that? not just for you but for folks inside the community who work very hard, they take risks, they take their jobs very seriously to hear the president publicly question their work? >> it is demoralizing, jim. completely demoralizing. the cia in effect works for the president of the united states. it doesn't work for anybody else. it has channels to him. has daily briefings. it needs his trust. and vice versa. i mean, this is starting off on the wrong foot entirely. and a lot of my excolleagues are saying this is the time to, you
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know, to retire. and they are leaving in droves. and when you have a cia director coming out of congress, the new one and being a member of the tea party and the rest of it, isn't sitting well at the cia. >> well it is something we're going to be watching very close. steve, bob, thanks very we'll be right back after this. than warfarin, i'll go for that too. eliquis. eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus had less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis had both. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily...
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just in from los angeles, a day after the passing of carrie fisher, her mother, debbie reynolds has died. she fell ill this afternoon. debbie reynolds was 84 years old. she was quite simply hollywood royalty and she will be deeply missed by millions. here's more on her remarkable life and career from cnn's stephanie elam. ♪ i'm alone and i'm my song for
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you ♪ >> singer, dancer, actress, debbie reynolds was a hollywood triple threat and america's sweetheart. her film career began at the age of 16 after being spotted in a beauty pageant. ♪ i'm laughing at clouds >> her star officially launch ad few years later after a spirited performance opposite gene kelly is that donald o'connor in 1952 questions on "singing in the rain." >> they just locked me in a studio. i had five different teachers, tap, ballet, jazz, modern, and i worked, worked, worked, until i would fall apart. ♪ >> other notable rolls followed including 1957's tammy of the bachelor which resulted in her number one hit song, tammy. she played opposite gregory peck and the unsinkable molly brown earned her an oscar nomination.
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♪ i'm going to learn to read and write ♪ >> beloved onscreen, at times her life offscreen overshadowed her successful she had two children with her first husband, eddie fisher. >> in 1959 the marriage ended in a highly publicized divorce when fish he left reynolds to marry her close friend, elizabeth taylor. a betrayal that she was able to joke that years later. >> i was a girl scout. i was a simple little girl and that's what i was. and he fell madly in love with elizabeth. now i understand so many years later. it is in the past. >> her second and third marriages also ended in divorce. each time causing her financial pain. however, she had been quietly collecting hollywood memorabilia over the years that would prove a wise investment. in 2011 she sold marilyn monroe's white subway dress at auction for $4.6 million.
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♪ >> she also never quit performing. though she stepped away from film for much of her career, she continued to entertain on broadway, stages, and in las vegas nightclubs. >> in addition, she had several tv roles over the years, notably playing liberace's mother in the emmy winning tv movie, behind the candelabra. her work was recognized in 2015 when the screen actor's guild honored where the lifetime achievement award. reynolds said she loved every minute she spent in show business in her 2013 biography, unsinkable. she credited the love she had for her friends and family for per personal and professional resiliency. >> i paid $20,000 for this sucker. >> and it is that spark and sense of humor along with her talent that she will be
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remembered for. >> joining us now on the phone is matthew bethesda bellamy, the executive director of the hollywood reporter. we were just speaking last night about carrie fisher and here we are 24 hours later about her mother. such a sad 24 hours for the family. >> it is unbelievably sad. and i think that a tragic week considering it start last friday with the news that carrie fisher has had a cardiac episode on her flight from london and now less than a week later, she is gone and her mother is gone as well. >> debbie reynolds, just help place her for us in the hollywood pantheon. >> absolutely. going back to singing in the rain and the heyday of hollywood musicals. through her lifetime of work and
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her personal issues, the stuff that got into the public eye with her husband eddie fisher and leaving her for elizabeth taylor, that being a tabloid sensation before there was the internet or any of the other tabloid stuff we know now. her daughter is carrie fisher and she works. she continued to work into her 70s and 80s. >> and how much should we expect? i suppose it is natural to imagine she loses her daughter. and this sparks her own passing. >> yeah. her agent just told the hollywood report per she's with carrie and i think that says a lot about how she was feeling after this tragic news from yesterday. she was taken to the hospital this afternoon and we're just getting word now, her death, the whole thing is an unbelievable tragedy. >> how do we expect debbie reynolds to be remembered and honored after her passing now?
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particularly so soon after her daughter? >> i think the legacy will be as a performer and the fact she came of age at a time when hollywood movies really meant something in the world and she was a star opposite gene kelly is that some of the most classic movies in hollywood history. but also as an enduring star. that she was able to keep working and she was able to maintain a name for herself in a very cut throat industry throughout her life. >> i feel like a sandwich generation. i was certainly influenced by "star wars" but i remember watching "singing in the rain" with my dad. here you have two iconic films, right? of that century. >> absolutely. "singing in the rain" was something of a sensation when it came out. in much the same way that "star wars" was to a later generation and creating the modern movie blockbuster. and what that men to the current
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generation. the fact that it was nice, she did a documentary with carrie fisher that will air on hbo next year. and i think there will be a lot of interest in that. add interest in that because both of them are not with us anymore. and i think you will see the bond they had together and the fact that they had overcome a lot of issues that they had in their lives. >> matthew, thanks so much. and we're sorry to leave you tonight with this sad news. thank you for watching cnn's special report follows just special report follows just after this. -- captions by vitac -- it is one of the greatest unsolved crimes in history. >> we have a kidnapping. there is a ransom note. a little girl vanishes from home christmas night. >> it is like we got hit


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