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>> show the world what they are. >> crocs. i wear these in the office and everywhere when i'm not wearing shoes. >> i just got a pair. >> you just got a pair. >> and when you become a dad you get crocs. >> cheers. >> happy new year, everyone. you want to say happy new year? time for "newsroom." with martin savidge. >> good morning to all of you. poppy, a beautiful, beautiful baby and family there. thanks very much. don, happy new year to you. >> to you, as well martin. >> thank you, "newsroom" starts now. good morning, i'm martin savidge in for carol costello. thanks very much for joining me. just hours after russian officials vowed retaliation for those u.s. sanctions against russia vladimir putin has changed things up completely and he says he will not impose sanctions on the u.s. putin saying this morning that he will wait to see what
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president-elect trump's policies are toward russia before taking any action. this all started when president obama took the unprecedented steps of punishing russia for alleged hacking. ordering 35 russian diplomats to leave the u.s. within 72 hours. two russian compounds have been ordered closed. four individuals and five russian organizations now sanctioned. so far what we're hearing from president-elect trump, move on. saying it's time for our country to move on to bigger and better things. our team covering the diplomatic fallout from d.c. to moscow. we begin with cnn senior international correspondent matthew chance. matthew, a simple question here, what is russia up to here? why not retaliate, that's been the long traditional history? it has. but this is an astonishing bit of political theater, classic putin. basically we saw earlier today the russian foreign minister
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appeared very solemnly on russian state television saying he was recommending to the kremlin that 35 u.s. diplomats be expelled from russian in response to the expulsion of 35 russian diplomats from the united states. but it was was for vladimir putin to decide finally. that set the stage for putin to play magnanimous at this time of year and say look i'm not going to make trouble for any u.s. diplomats. i'm not going to expel any diplomats. and he went even further and even to carry that theme forward a little bit, he went even further and invited the children of u.s. diplomats, stationed in moscow, to new year's and christmas performances of plays and spectacles at the kremlin being staged over this time of year. and so, very interesting. he said that the restoration of ties between the united states and russia would all be dependent on donald trump's policies. so he's reaching out again to the incoming administration of
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donald trump and saying, look, this is an administration that we can do a deal with. and he needs a deal with donald trump because he wants sanctions alleviated. he wants the situation in syria to be stabilized even more than it is now. and he wants crimea, which donald trump said he would look at, annexed in 2014, he wants that to be recognized as an official part of russia. and so, again, we saw this today, he was playing tactical, making obama look like the grinch, the foreign ministry spokesperson said that the obama administration was vindictive and putin has tried to look magnanimous. >> i presume the parents of those american diplomat children would also be invited. we'll see how that all plays out. matthew chance thank you very much for that. putin's surprising decision not to strike back at the u.s. comes after a strong show of force from president obama, as we heard, kicking 35 suspected spies out of the country. the white house hinting that it may not be done yet.
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cnn justice correspondent evan perez is following this story. evan, really surprising turn of events here. >> that's right, martin. with only three weeks left in president obama's administration he is firing back at russia for their alleged meddling in the u.s. election. 35 russian diplomats now have less than 72 hours to leave the country. u.s. intelligence officials say they were spies posing as diplomats. the expulsion part of a massive crackdown by president obama against russian alleged cyberattacks. also includes shutting down two russian compounds located in maryland and new york. >> what these individuals were doing were basically collecting intelligence. intelligence officers operating here and using these compounds for intelligence collection purposes. >> reporter: the u.s. sanctioning nine russian individuals and entities, including the russian spy agency, the fsb, and the russian military intelligence unit the
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gru. the u.s. intelligence officials say the gru ordered the attacks on the democratic national committee and other political groups under orders from the kremlin. in a statement, president obama says the cyberattacks could only have been directed by the highest levels of the russian government. obama and u.s. intelligence officials have implied that russian president vladimir putin was directly involved in the hacks. in part, to hurt hillary clinton's campaign. obama warning, "all americans should be alarmed by russia's actions." the stiff sanctions joining bipartisan praise. >> we cannot allow a foreign power to impact our elections. >> we're the united states of america and you will not mess around with our election system. >> reporter: speaker of the house paul ryan calling the sanctions overdue as they vow to hit russia harder calling for even stronger sanctions. >> need to name putin as an individual of this inner circle
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because nothing happens in russia without his knowledge or approval. >> reporter: meanwhile, the white house looking to take covert retaliation, as well. saying, "these actions are not the sum total of our response. the u.s. says it is ready for any response from russia." >> the truth is that we enjoy the greatest capability of any country on earth, offensive and defensive. >> and obama has also declassified intelligence to help cybersecurity companies here in the united states and abroad identify and detect and disrupt russian cyber attacks in the future. martin? >> evan perez from washington this morning. now to new york. tensions with russia will be among the first key test for donald trump when he takes the oath of office, which, of course, is just three weeks away from today. the president-elect has frequently dismissed concerns about russia's interference in the election, even questioning the abilities of u.s. intelligence officials. and the announcement of sanctions prompted a similar response from the trump team. cnn's jessica schneider has
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more. good morning, jessica. >> good morning, martin. donald trump reiterated with skepticism he has repeatedly expressed about the alleged russian hacks. in fact, doubling down on that doubt outside mar-a-lago this week. saying we should quote get on with our lives and issuing this statement saying, it's time for our country to move on to bigger and better things. nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people i will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the na facts of this situation. top transition adviser kellyanne conway saying sanctions seem largely symbolic. she continued to cast doubt on the intelligence, and kellyanne conway also accusing president obama of playing politics with this whole issue. >> i will tell you that even those who are sympathetic to president obama on most issues are saying that part of the reason he did this today was to "box in" president-elect trump. that would be very unfortunate if that were the motivating -- if politics were the motivating factor.
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we can't help but think that is often true. that's not the way that peaceful transitions of administrations work in our great democracy. >> and conway also refusing to say if donald trump will reverse the sanctions once he takes office. in addition, his chief of staff reince priebus only saying that it is up to the president-elect and that donald trump will be talking to his leadersship at the defense and state departments before he makes any decisions. so still questions loom, martin, about whether or not donald trump would roll back those sanctions. >> right. a lot of questions. jessica schneider, thank you very much. before he won his bid for the white house, donald trump vowed to overturn many of president obama's policies. so could the russian sanctions be added to that list? one top obama adviser tells cnn, not so fast. >> the reversal of sanctions such as what you've described would be highly unusual. indeed, the sanctions usually remain in place until the activity and the reasons for
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them being in place in the first place has been removed. >> joining me now to discuss the head spinning turn of events, david rohde, cnn global affairs analyst and national security investigations editor for reuters and editor emeritus at the world policy journal and "usa today" columnist. david i want to start with a tweet the russian embassy blasted obama as a lame duck, and called his actions, quote, cold war deja vu. so are we entering a new kind of cold war? and in the same response, what do you make of putin not doing anything? >> well, what i would make of putin not doing is really i think effectively a sub text. that is to say, putin always has an ulterior motive. and one of his motives is to keep the fsb and gru strong everywhere, particularly in the united states. and especially in moscow, as well. now the russians know exactly who the american embassy official, that is to say the
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spies, that they would have been expelling are. they know everything about them. they know what they eat for breakfast, what cheerios they like, where they go, who their friends are and so on. they spent years building up this kind of database on our people there. for them to expel all of these 35 people from st. petersburg and moscow means that they will then have to begin again with a whole new set of people. now, remember, putin comes from an old kgb, fsb background and he recalls in 2001, when there were the last mass expulsions like this it took them years to rebuild their database of americans in russia, in moscow. and he doesn't want to have to do that again. i suspect there is a subtext like that, and then there's the public relations gamut which he's also claimed. >> david would you agree that he's a spymaster playing his game? >> i do. i think that it really is theater as matthew said and i agree with what david just said. and i wrote a long piece this
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summer about the cia. i just want to point out i was hearing, beginning in july, before the u.s. election was decided from justice department officials, and from senior intelligence officials that russia was behind this hacking. this isn't something that sort of emerged after the election, you know, there was the october 7th joint statement from u.s. intelligence agencies. there's no question this broad, broad agreement across justice department again law enforcement, and intelligence agencies that russia did this. and intervened in the hacking. so it's a major question what trump will do now, as they're questioning this, they say politics, but again middle of the summer when everyone thought hillary clinton was going to win this election, intelligence officials and justice department officials were telling me russia was behind the hacking. >> forgive me, david rohde, i'm getting my davids mixed up. let me ask you this. as for as donald trump saying that he is going to meet with u.s. intelligence officials next week, is this kind of a change on the part of donald trump that maybe he might listen to these
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critics who have said no, we've got to really crack down on russia? >> it's not clear. he said in an interview on december 11th that he was only receiving one intelligence briefing a week. vice president mike pence was receiving six a week. that would, you know, be one a day roughly. and so, maybe he will start to see more intelligence briefings now. but the pattern until now is that trump said he was too busy for the daily intelligence briefings. felt he was getting the same information over and over again. and frankly, it's good he's having this briefing. and maybe this information will change his view of putin. you know, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. obviously it's going to be at center stage as soon as he's sworn in as president on january 20th. >> and david andelman i think the president-elect has pretty much stressed that he wants to move on and move away from this issue. what is the fallout of just saying oh, let's move away, and get over it? >> well, we can't get over it. and you were right to set up the concept of cold war.
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it is effectively a cold war. but we also have to ask what is the end game? the end game of the original cold war was potentially the launch of large missile volleys at each side with nuclear warheads exchanged. that is not going to happen this time. that's quite clear. i think that's pretty much off the table. but there are other events short of that that could result effectively in a cold war i don't think either side wants that. the problem is that donald trump has to come into this well-informed. not only well-informed but with the respect, the mutual respect of his intelligence people. and that's what i think is really lacking up until now, he really needs to re-establish if he's really going to be able to move forward in confronting a guy in moscow who understands intelligence down to his toes. le. >> indeed, no question that the president-elect is going to come into office with on the very first day a major test on his hands. thank you both very much for joining us this morning. still to come, top
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members of congress on both sides of the aisle are backing the president's crackdown on russia though some republicans say it doesn't go far enough. senators john mccain and lindsey graham releasing a statement saying they plan to lead an effort to impose even stronger sanctions on russia. and that is teeing up what could be a major battle for the president-elect when he takes over the white house in just three weeks. will republicans stick with their long time stance to stay tough on russia or embrace trump's calls for a better relationship with president vladimir putin? with me now is cnn political
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commentator and washington correspondent for the new yorker and jackie kucinich, cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief of the daily beast. good morning to both of you. ryan, let me start with you. trump's aide kelly conway suggest obama trying to box trump in with these sanctions. what do you think? >> i think she's absolutely right about that. i think there is more of a focus at the white house on this, and doing it before obama leaves office. if hillary clinton had won it wouldn't have been such a rush they probably would have waited for clinton to decide what to do. i do think there's a major disagreement about how to deal with vladimir putin between the outgoing white house and the incoming white house. and i think she's right they are trying to box him in. they're trying to put in place sanctions that will be very, very difficult for him to reverse. and he's going to have a big decision to make, you know, in january when he gets in there. because reversing them will run directly in to his republican
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colleagues on the hill who as you pointed out is setting this up, want even tougher sanctions. and most of the criticism from republicans on the hill is that this is too late and obama hasn't been tough enough on russia. >> jackie, is it possible for donald trump, say, to please congress, and also to keep a good relationship with putin? >> it's a really good question. right now it really doesn't seem to. they're seeming to talk past each other. republicans are saying they want tougher sanctions and trump is saying we should move on but i guess i'll talk to the intelligence guys next week so it really sets up this very interesting political dynamic. they have a veto-proof majority if they send through sanctions and trump vetoes them, they can get that through. so he's going to get a very tough lesson in equal branches of government very quickly here if he tries to roll back some of these things on russia. but it's interesting, you do have some trump loyalists in congress. duncan hunter told the daily beast yesterday that these were
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stupid. it was stupid for obama to do this going out the door. so it's not that there are -- he does have a couple bright spots for him in the congress. but by and large it's going to be a really tough fight for him. >> ryan, could there be a back lash against congress? and the reason i say that is that having talked to a lot of trump voters, both before and after the election, nobody ever said we need to get tougher on russia. even with the knowledge that's been brought forward about possible hacking. instead what they wanted was an administration focused internally, looking at domestic issues, especially the economy, saving jobs, creating jobs. not a fight with russia. >> you're right about that. it was very clear that he wanted to reorient republican foreign policy, be a more -- the republican party to be a more pro-putin party. he changed the republican platform to reflect that. he's been very up front about that. and the polls show that republican voters are more favorably disposed towards
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russia and putin than they were before trump came on the scene and started talking about this. this is going to be the first big test, martin, of the ideological divide between trump and the more mainstream conservatives. you know, on a lot of issues during the primaries and the general election we saw big difference of opinion between trump and his fellow republicans, and this is the first test. who's going to run policy? is it going to be congress? republicans in congress who are going to control both chambers? or is it going to be the white house? and this is not just going to be on this issue but on a number of them. but this is the first one, and unusually it's foreign policy where the commander in chief has a much freer hand. so if the lindsey grahams and john mccains of the world step up here and think that they can pressure the incoming republican administration and have a louder say on foreign policy that's going to put them in to direct conflict with the incoming president. and it's not just going to be on this issue, on a number of
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issues. >> as you point out. mr. trump has been in conflict with some of the more conservative members of his party. jackie is it possible then this whole administration gets bogged down or misdirected right out of the gate on an issue they never really foresaw, and never really wanted to get involved in? >> this could be a big deal. whether it is diversity in the entire administration it's too soon to tell. as we know, it moves pretty quickly around here. that said i think we should keep a very close eye, as if we weren't already, on the confirmation hearings of rex tillerson because i think a lot of the questions he's going to get will reflect just how hard and how serious congress is going to be when it comes to russia. he's going to have to answer a lot of questions that i think a lot of senators and frankly americans have with trump about his warmer feelings toward the president. >> that's right. first question he's going to get is, do you support -- how will you advise president trump on
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these sanctions? will you reverse them or not? they're going to have to have this policy worked out at least by tillerson's hearing. >> but ryan, has -- ryan i should say that president-elect has said that he's now going to meet with the intelligence community. >> yeah. >> and i'm wondering whether that indicates all right, maybe he is going to listen a little more intently and perhaps more seriously? >> look if you look at the series of statements trump has made on this issue, they have always been very defensive, they have always been very critical of the intelligence community's assessment with this. they have always -- the undercurrent has always been that this is just an issue that is trying to delegitimize his election and he's not taking it very seriously. his statement he put out last night was a break with those previous statements, in that he was a little bit more conciliatory, and he said, okay, i'll listen to what they have here. it's a little surprising that, you know, we're this far into -- this far past his election.
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it's a little surprising that he doesn't have that information already, and that suggests maybe a lack of coordination between the incoming and outgoing administration but i think it's a, you know, positive sign that he's at the very least keeping an open mind about this. because, look, he's -- he may have been the beneficiary of this russian cyberwar fare campaign, but when he's president he's going to be the target of it. he's going to be a very different set of circumstances. so he needs to -- the intelligence agencies need to get him up to speed on this and take it a little more seriously than he has. >> ryan lizza and jackie kucinich, nice to see you both. thank you. a new cease-fire is holding in syria. despite a few reports of minor clashes, the truce was brokered by russia and turkey leaving the u.s. out of the diplomatic equation. russian president vladimir putin called the deal fragile and said it would need special attention to maintain. cnn's mohammed lila is live in istanbul, turkey.
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>> good morning, martin. i think fragile is the key word in all of this. we're not even 24 hours into this cease-fire and as we know sometimes those first few hours when a cease-fire is enacted are crucial. there are reports, as you mentioned, of some sporadic clashes happening around the country. it's not -- it's not entirely unexpected. but none involves turkey, russia, syria or iran, saying that those clashes have been on a scale that would jeopardize the cease-fire. so far it's holding. certainly a positive sign toward some sort of more positive and long-term arrangement. but an interesting point yesterday, syria's president bashar al assad gave an interview to an italian tv channel where he talked specifically about the role that he's hoping president-elect donald trump might play in helping solve the syrian crisis. and i said he was cautiously optimistic. this is exactly what he said. he was talking about if there are good relations between these two great powers, most of the world, including small countries like syria, will be the beneficiary. mr. trump said during his campaign that his priority is
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fighting terrorism, and we believe that this is the beginning of the solution if he can implement what he announced. and of course, that's key because yesterday offered president-elect donald trump an olive branch so to speak something they hadn't offered to president obama by the way, offering president-elect trump a seat at the negotiating table at peace talks scheduled to take place next month. so clearly, this might speak to the legacy of the obama administration in syria and the hopefulness here on the ground that perhaps under a new administration the u.s. might play a more pro-active role in trying to set up some sort of peace deal to put an end to all of the fighting. >> that would be a wonderful thing. but right now we'll take the cease-fire one day at a time. muhammad lila, thank you very much. still to come major cities across the globe they are ramping up security for new year's eve celebrations. cnn's brynn beginning ras is
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good morning, i'm martin savidge in for carol costello. thank you very much for joining me. well the countdown's on as cities across the globe get ready for the big celebration on new year's eve. used to be the biggest thing you worried about was the hangover. unfortunately those days are long gone. this year police are taking extra precautions in light of
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recent terror attack. about 7,000 officers are going to be deployed or standing guard in the big apple. that's 1,000 more than last year. new orleans and boston also stepping up security and abroad london and madrid will see increased measures, as well. cnn's brynn gingras has more on the preparations. good morning, brynn. >> oh, yeah, martin. all around the world, the world we live in right now, security here in times square, the nypd actually starts the preparations for this year when the ball dropped earlier this year. and they said it's an evolving, multilevel security approach that has to change because again that's the world we live in. >> new york city is on high alert in anticipation of one of the biggest new year's eve celebrations in the world. preparing it takes an army. 7,000 nypd officers are just one part of the enhanced measures
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being taken to protect the city. >> this is where everybody has to be on their toes. i know complacency can set in at times but certainly not at an event like this. >> reporter: in the wake of the isis-inspired attacks in nice. most being used as a protective barrier around the perimeter of times square to ward off a truck-style attack. >> we live in a changing world now. it can't just be about what happens in new york. >> reporter: the nypd is in constant communication with foreign departments gaining intelligence and sharing police strategy with cities abroad. in london, there is added security at the changing of the guards. heavily armed police were unavoidable in berlin as they stood posts behind concrete barriers at a christmas concert. christmas markets were heavily patrolled and in france, a boost of 10,000 soldiers on the parisian streets over the holiday period, adding to the officers working around the clock.
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>> translator: we're giving of ourselves and our time and at a cost to ourselves and our families. >> reporter: nearly 2 million people expected in times square. the extra police presence a noticeable addition to keep new york city safe. >> if you're coming down to times square, rest assured it will be a safe venue. >> even within just the last few weeks we're told members of the nypd have been securing parking garages in this area, visiting hotels, talking to the managers, and the owners. also even going to truck rental companies, all keeping their eyes and ears open for anything suspicious, but we should mention at this point the nypd says there is no credible threat against the ball drop ceremony. >> good to hear. brynn gingras, thanks very much. good to see you. while the rest of the country's ringing in the new year saturday night, north carolina's new democratic governor is going to be taking the oath of office just after midnight in private. and roy cooper has had a bitter fight to get to the governor's
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mansion. state republicans stuck it to him by stripping him of several executive powers after a race so tight the incumbent refused to concede for weeks. cnn correspondent polo sandoval joins me now. what a way to take the office. >> exactly, martin. it seems roy cooper will be taking advantage of the right to be sworn into office only minutes into the new year, he will be effectively taking the reins of power from a man that he beat in what was a bitter gubernatorial race this fall. >> thank you. >> the new year means a new governor for the people of north carolina. roy cooper will be sworn in as the state's 75th governor right after midnight saturday. private ceremony coming at the end of a turbulent transition for the incoming governor. in its final weeks in office, cooper's predecessor, republican pat mccrory signed into law several bills limiting the powers of his democratic successor. political appointments were cut
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from 1500 to 425. the governor-elect will be blocked from appointing members of the state's board of education and the senate must approve his cabinet appointees. a law professor believes these measures will make for a challenging first few weeks in office for cooper. >> early on he's going to try and establish his authority with the people in the state and also the legislature. he's there. he's the governor. he's got some expression, and he's a player in this system. >> limiting the new governor's power is only the latest chapter in what's been a bitter and highly contested race. >> don't come back no more no more! >> reporter: cooper beat out his republican incumbent opponent by only 10,000 votes. mccrory claimed fraud and challenged the outcome before conceding about four weeks later. and this month, both sides blame the other for failing to repeal north carolina's controversial
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bathroom bill. >> he may well want to talk to the legislature about any possible revisions to that law, even if some kind of appeal isn't possible. so compromise may be a big term that comes out fairly soon when he's governor. >> reporter: and it seems to be what we hear quite a bit that compromise will be key in north comparea, and the new administration. while he is not in office quite yet, cooper, change is already being made. a source for his administration telling me that they've already begun sending out their initial round of dismissal letters to political appointees under the mccrory administration. sure that is relatively normal during a changing of the guard, but the optics could be even more bruising for the outcoming governor. >> polo sandoval, thanks very much for that. still to come as the u.s. is looking for support from britain on its clash with israel, they won't get it. prime minister there in response to secretary kerry's big speech. that's coming up next. it's your last chance to save during the final days of the ford year end event. hurry in for the best deals of the season on ford,
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tensions between the u.s. and israel are having a ripple effect on other countries. the latest country to chime in, britain. prime minister theresa may is taking aim at john kerry for his speech this week on israel. a spokesman for the prime minister saying, quote, may does not believe that it is appropriate to attack the composition of the democratically elected government of an ally. end quote. want to bring in cnn correspondent sara sidner in jerusalem to get reaction to all this. good morning, sara. >> good morning. we haven't heard anything from israeli officials about theresa may's comments. but we have certainly heard something from benjamin netanyahu over these past couple of days. the latest thing he put on facebook, and a lot of folks checking out social media.
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he is hip with social media, putting a lot of different comments on, especially after kerry's speech, and that u.n. security council resolution 2334 that basically slapped israel's hand and said they are going against international law by allowing settlements to continue both in east jerusalem and in the west bank, in palestinian territories. what he has later put on facebook in the past 20 hours after that speech is an ode to the new administration coming in to the united states. it is very kind words towards donald trump. donald trump, in the posting, says in an interview that he did with a local station here in israel, size that the u.n. has done a lot of things, most of them have not been helpful. he also talked about the fact that he feels that israel has been treated unfairly by many, many countries. and to that, you see benjamin netanyahu saying i couldn't have said it better myself.
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so it gives you some idea of the expectations of the relationship between benjamin netanyahu and donald trump once donald trump is in power. and the expectation that things will be better for israel and the relationship between the united states and israel will be better. >> all right, sara sidner joining us from jerusalem. thanks very much. good to see you. still to come his rhetoric on radical islam sparked controversy. now one muslim author says that donald trump may be the best thing to ever happen to muslims. when he takes office. but first we go around the world to one of asia's most dynamic cities, hong kong. >> welcome to hong kong. seen in hong kong as changing so rapidly. it's amazing to see how in a
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short four years how they've accumulated such an amazing collection. it's practically the one major institution that encompasses art and design from all of asia. it's almost like tate and pompidou combined but very much set in the asian context. so we are in the fabric market. as you walk down these streets, it feels like nothing has changed in the last 30, 40 years, and it's probably one of the last remaining neighborhoods that still has kind of that old hong kong quality that is still largely untouched. we are in one of the best markets in hong kong. as much as we're living in the 21st century i think there's still kind of that position going where there's still kind of that joy of like that routine of going to the market. and buying your food. you still have to kind of crazy food street but in the middle of this whole urban area with
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donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> you remember that. probably one of the more controversial aspects of the past campaign. president-elect donald trump set off a firestorm early on in his campaign. his muslim ban, which later shifted to extreme vetting, sparked a national debate. many calling it racist and xenophobi xenophobic. but my next guest says mr. trump
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is exactly what muslims needed. recently writing an op-ed for "newsday." i believe the trump administration rather than being anti-muslim will become -- or will come to be seen as defender of muslims. quite a striking idea. dr. ahmed is the author of "in the land of invisible women" a female doctor's journey in the saudi kingdom and she joins me now live. good morning, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> good morning, martin. >> so, okay, you feel that trump's about radical islam is refreshingly honest. why? >> i think the donald trump's position is going to be focussed on combatting islamism in a way that we haven't had in the last two administrations. but we also haven't had in many decades. the united states actually has a history for decades of engaging with the european muslim brotherhood and other muslim brotherhoods. that era is over. and because he's committed to combatting islamism, that
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benefits muslims like me, civil islam, muslims that don't subscribe to that view. and he's also taking, assuming the presidency, at a time when the political will to combat islamism in the muslim world is extraordinary. in jordan, in egypt, in saudi arabia, this is a golden moment for him to act. >> all right. well let me ask you this, because the man that mr. trump has chosen to advise him on these issues is the incoming national security adviser general michael flynn. he doesn't necessarily make a distinction between islam and islamism. >> slaum is a political ideology. it's a political ideology. it definitely hides behind this notion of it being a religion. >> so my question is, this is the man who has got the ear of the president and will be informing him on issues like
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islam. are you worried he will get wrong information? >> i'm familiar with that clip you have just shown. i of course have not met the general. i'm not sure that that expresses the totality of his views. certainly islamism is a political totalitarian ideology and in this country, in the united states and in europe, it strives to be seen as a minority religion that. has to be exposed. if there is further opportunity for general flynn to speak, i'm sure he would come up with that. i'm not sure that one segment captures his mood, nor does it capture i think the essence of the trump administration's position which is going to be to separate pluralistic muslims from islamists who masquerade as religious actors but are actually no more religious than communism or naziism. >> i do agree with you that a ten-second sound bite does not summarize an entire administration's position but it
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does give a kind of troubling potential insight. let's move on. to combat islamism you wrote that quote, trump must empower our enforcement agencies with necessary surveillance methods, targeting islamists, sympathizing behaviors, whether of individuals or organizations. so what does that look like to you and how do you do it without profiling in an open democratic society? >> great question, and one i struggle with daily as i think about these things and write about them. i think let's look at what the muslim world is doing. the united arab emirates in 2014 has designated the muslim brotherhood as a terrorist organization and actually also identified the council on american islamic relations in the same status. there clearly is a mechanism to expose organizations, individuals, institutions that have behaviors that sympathize with islamists. the 1993 world trade center bomber and also mohammed atta,
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one of the pilots of the 9/11 attacks were affiliated with islamist mosques in munich. the mosque may not have instructed or paid those individuals to do this but they were very much inspired by the ideology. we do have to do forensic examination of finances as well as so-called advocacy groups to see whether they are harboring similar sympathies. this is something the muslim world is scrutinizing. the muslim world, over 300 million muslims live in the middle east and north african area, 1.3 billion live elsewhere. we are in our own communities struggling to expose jihadists and islamists. muslim armies are at war with this. muslim politicians are losing their lives fighting this battle. there's no reason why we are not going to have to do the same scrutiny here in the united states. >> point well taken. thank you very much for talking to us this morning. still to come, an eye for an
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eye? not so much. america expels dozens of russian nationals after the so-called election hacks but putin says he's not kicking out any americans. at least not yet.
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they said rock and roll was just a passing fad in the '50s. tell that to legendary rock group chicago. cnn traces the band's route to the top of the charts in "now more than ever, the history of chicago." here's a preview. >> reporter: after 47 gold and platinum records, dozens of charting songs and more than 100 million albums sold --
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♪ >> reporter: -- chicago, the legendary band, is still rocking today. a brotherhood started with a handshake nearly 50 years ago. >> with a handshake and jam session. >> reporter: did you ever imagine the success? >> no. none of us did. >> to have this kind of success for this long is unprecedented. >> reporter: guys, when was the pinch me moment? >> we are still having it. >> poppy, you want to walk up onstage? >> reporter: we caught up with chicago on the final leg of their tour in omaha, nebraska. >> omaha, how the hell are you? >> it's a true band. a band of brothers. >> reporter: a band of brothers. >> yes. we would build these songs and build these albums together, and at some point i realized and i think we all realized that music is indeed what we are going to be doing pretty much for the rest of our lives. >> the music talent is amazing.
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>> you can't find bands producing this kind of music today. this is it. >> reporter: there have been decades more wild than others, like their years at caribou ranch. >> it happened to be very close to college town. there's a ton of drugs, really good drugs, and it ended up just kind of like being a party in the rockies. >> reporter: chicago was flying high but then came their heartbreak. original guitarist terry capp died suddenly, accidentally shooting himself. >> that made us all, pulled us short and we kind of didn't know what we were going to do. >> reporter: you have said you are still working through terry's death. >> yes. >> reporter: decades later. >> to be honest with you, i give
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terry a look every night when we play "saturday in the park." there's a lyric in there -- ♪ a man playing guitar singing for us all ♪ >> i still dream about terry. >> he was the musical leader of the band at the time. he would want us to stay together as well. >> reporter: you loved him. >> um-hum. >> he was very lovable. >> reporter: they did, they say, what terry would have wanted. they stayed together and kept playing. chicago has toured every single year of its existence. >> please welcome chicago! >> reporter: and finally in 2016, the ultimate honor. >> it is my honor to finally induct chicago into the rock and roll hall of fame. >> reporter: but no sign these rockers are slowing down.
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not even for a second. >> i have always contended that music, creating music keeps me in a child-like state that is not too bad. >> we wanted to be as organic as it started out to be and that's why we're still together. >> you can see "now more than ever, the history of chicago" this sunday and yes, i do know what time it is. 8:00 p.m. eastern time. only on cnn. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" begins right now. good morning. i'm martin savidge in for carol costello. thanks for joining me. hours after russian officials vowed retaliation against the u.s. for tough new sanctions over alleged hacking, president vladimir putin has decided not to strike back yet. putin saying a short time ago he won't take any action against the

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