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this guy thinks he lip syncs better than mariah herself. >> that guy was pretty good. you can watch outfront anytime anywhere on cnn go. ac 360 with anderson starts now. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with the program and year with breaking news on new evidence linking russia to the election computer hacking as president-elect donald trump continues down playing the notion and on the search for a gunman who took 39 lives. authorities releasing photos to turkish media one apparently taken from this video which began making rounds late today on social media. isis says he is one of their followers calling him a soldier of the caliphate and now the search is on for this terrorist. have authorities gotten any further in identifying or
finding this person? >> reporter: they certainly have more clues. there is now that image that has been put out all over turkey of the suspected gunman and they have also got finger prints and a couple of other images. what they don't have is a name and where he might be. so a manhunt is definitely underway. the entire country is on one hand absolutely furious over this and on the other hand so many people are living in sorrow right now because 39 families are having to bury their loved ones. >> we will have more from you later on this hour. we want toturn to hacking story. new evidence that may fly in the face of president-elect trump's ongoing effort to cast doubt in russian involvement in it. he said he knows things others don't. today u.s. intelligence officials did some revealing themselves saying they have another big clue that points to the kremlin.
pamela brown joins us now. what is this clue that you are learning about? >> reporter: newly identified digital foot print that is bol sterring the view that moscow is the culprit according to u.s. intelligence officials. analysts were able to trace the election hack to specific keyboards with an alphabet used by russians and they believe the keyboards were used to make the malware code used in the hacks. this is just one piece in the puzzle leading the u.s.gency intelligence community to believe russia is the culprit as one says the intelligence in russia is so high quality that is part of why they are so confident russia is to blame comparing to other cyber hacks involving more secretive regimes like north korea. >> how were investigators able to trace the keyboards allegedly used in the hacks? >> they were able to do analysis in meta data and were able to
through the analysis look at the source code and determine that these were keyboards with the text but as one official cautioned the same keyboards could be bought online or could be used by other eastern europen hackers not in russia. this is just one piece of the puzzle, one piece of circumstantial evidence. still, anderson, there is a high level of confidence as we know and a consensus in the u.s. intelligence community that russia is to blame. now we are waiting for the comprehensive review that president obama ordered about the hack. >> and president-elect trump says he knows things about who is behind the hacking saying we can't be sure it actually is the russians. could it be someone else? these computer keyboards could have been bought by anybody. >> that was one piece of evidence out of lots of evidence and digital footprints that intelligence analysts were able to gather through the course of this investigation. cyber hacks are rarely slam dunk
definitive. as i pointed out the intelligence is high quality when it comes to russia. so that is why you are seeing this consensus and why the fbi and dhs came out last week pointing the finger at russia and laying out why it believes that. it is unclear what president-elect trump was talking about. he does know more than most of us because he has received some classified intelligence briefings. he pointed out that he is skeptical because of failed intelligence leading up to the iraq war. what will be interesting to see, though, is whether his conclusion or view changes once he receives the specific intelligence briefing on the russian hack that he is supposed to be gibbon by leaders in the intelligence community around the time the comprehensive review is completed. >> president-elect trump says he has evidence of his own. a chance to ask trump's adviser about all of thats.
we spoke just before air time. >> over the weekend president-elect trump said that the hacking quote could be someone else. who do you think he thinks it could be? cnn is reporting that u.s. intelligence officials identified digital fingerprint which point directly to the russian government. >> reporter: the president-elect receives intelligence briefings that you and i are not privy to. additionally he just is noting that there are unnamed sources, people talking to the press instead of attending house intelligence community briefings. and the president-elect has agreed to receive an intelligence briefing here at the trump tower this week. we expect that the top intelligence officials in our country will be here to provide that briefing. at the same time we are all just wondering why when president obama earlier in this year said to vladimir putin, knock it off, he didn't come out more strongly. did he think hillary clinton
would win the election? and so knock it off which is what i tell my dogs when they are fighting over a dog would be sufficient? was that a diplomatic response or a political response? we do have questions. he will receive the briefing. things are not completely clear to us here. and then he will speak accordingly. he has eight years probably to be president. president obama has 18 days left. the expulsion of the russian operatives last week seems sort of curious because there just didn't seem to be such a strong response earlier in the election cycle to these allegations. >> when trump says he, quote, knows things that other people don't know is he referring to things he has learned in briefings or things he just knows prior to even becoming president-elect? >> every president of the united states in this case imminute
president of the united states donald trump ought to know many things that the rest of us do not know. that is to what he is referring. that will include the briefing he will receive this week at trump tower. what we do know -- >> do we expect that wednesday? >> it looks that way right now. what i can say is that we don't believe that intelligence efforts should interfere into politics. we also don't believe that politics should interfere with our intelligence. i can't help but think that many people who are still talking about this are disappointed if not embarrassed by the content of the hacked e-mails of the dnc that the hillary team was pretty disparaging of her and her lack of judgment. she can't find her voice. 84 different slogans being tested. >> concerned about any foreign
entity hacking into anybody's e-mails whether the sony hacks believed to have been done by north korea it's not necessarily all political. >> what you just described we share your view. in other words, of course, we are concerned about a foreign government hacking into our information. you and i are agreeing on a principle but not an actual set of facts. another set of facts we all know that didn't seem to get much more than a shrug and a slap on the risk from president obama at the time and that was the 2015 hack of one million former and current government employees at the office and personnel management. we noted that information was hacked. there was no public punishment. the magnitude we experienced as a nation last week with russian operatives and people are left wondering why is that different? >> i saw one democrat in the intelligence community i think
it was saying the difference is that china hadn't weaponized those and in his opinion russia weaponized the hacks to use them against in that case the dnc. >> that to me is a very poor excuse. that is a very poor excuse and really very creative. monday morning quarterbacking after the fact. so it doesn't matter to us as a government, doesn't matter to congressman or president obama or the rest of us that one million people who did nothing wrong other than they had their personnel information in the government files, it's okay that we know things about them personally, that is never okay. we as a nation should be outraged about that. there was no public punishment. we can't help but think that the difference here, too, is that hillary clinton lost an election and somehow they think they had the wrong messenger or hacking
or what not. basically was the wrong message. >> i want to read something that president-elect trump tweeted tonight. north korea just stated it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the u.s. it won't happen. how does he plan on stopping the nuclear program and what steps will he take that other presidents haven't? >> i will tell you what he won't do. he won't do what we did with iran, for example. in iran with the increased nuclear capability that even prominent democratic senators like bob menendez opposed that is not something you do. >> what will he do? >> also comes -- he will meet again with his national security team and see what can be done. he is not going to sit idly by while north korea is close to having the missile that can reach seattle. >> in order to try to stop this has been get china a number of
state actors to put pressure to put sanctions. >> that's right. >> it would be nice if china didn't work on a number of fronts. i think president-elect trump has been very clear about his attention there. look, again, sanctions he will discuss it with his security time but are the russian sanction as deterrent to them? vladimir putin will wait, will delay those sanctions. >> more of that interview in the next hour. tonight the president-elect putting hillself in a hard to defend position on hacking and what to make of his claim. i will talk to the panel about that. what happened to the smooth transition from president obama's jabs to president-elect's tweets. we will take you inside on all of it tonight on 360. one wash with tide pods
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breaking news, more evidence pointing to russian involvement of hacking of democratic national committee. all eyes on president-elect trump who promised to put his own cards on the table. he says he knows things about it that others don't. here is more of what senior adviser had to say about it. >> i want to be clear about the information about the hacks that trump says he knows. he says you will find out tuesday or wednesday. will he announce what the information is tuesday or wednesday as he said he would after being briefed? >> he didn't say he would announce it. what he is saying is that he'll find out. i think it is contingent on what
the intelligence officials reveal in their briefing. everybody should be very happy that the president-elect is open to receiving that briefing. >> there is plenty to unpack. joining us republican consultant margaret hoover. and atlantic contributor peter bienheart. do you think donald trump is sort of getting over his skis here in terms of talking about i know stuff, going to release stuff before he gets his briefing? >> i don't think he gets over -- he is president-elect of the united states. how many times in the last year and a half have there been conversations about he is saying he is over the top of his skis here. i think he will find out what is going on by talking to the appropriate people. he will get briefings that the rest of us see and will get the judgment. i don't think he would walk something out like that without
having some knowledge of what he needed to see. >> so the logic seems to be because trump was elected therefore he can't do anything wrong. time and time again he says stuff which turned out not to be true. he has shown remarkable ignorance about basic facts like not knowing the nuclear triad and didn't know what brexit was. so he said he knew more than generals did about isis. i think we should take with a large grain of salt any suggestion that donald trump knows more than our intelligence agencies. >> i don't think he says he knows more but is talking to the people. until we find out he has had the conversations and if we may not get to know other than -- we need to find out. >> we say he is talking to these people but he is actually not talking to them nearly as much as any president-elect in recent history has. most president-elects get daily
presidential briefs. >> most of them get it every day. george h.w. bush told his son the most important thing you do is get your intelligence briefing every day. keeping this country safe and maintaining stability in the world. you can't do that without information. he is taking scores of scores of calls. >> in public statements he raised questions about they got wmd wrong. >> the political apoiptys of the bush administration. >> more politicizing of intelligence. this is something donald trump does.
appears he doesn't understand that what went wrong with the iraq war was that. it was the plitization of the intelligence. that is what we learned in hind sight. somebody part of the bush administration and supported the war in iraq, that is what we have learned from that and we hope not to repeat those errors again. 17 intelligence agencies have concluded that russia was behind this. that is very different than the iraq. >> all i'm trying to communicate to you and i fall back on the business career which until he takes office, he knows how to make judgments based on facts. not supposition, facts. >> you're assuming the daily presidential brief is not saying the same thing. if they say the dog is red and the next day they say the dog is possibly red or the dog is red again. >> have you gotten those --
>> that is my point. >> i worked in the white house and i have a pretty good -- you and i both know that the president doesn't -- do you think president obama gets -- you have to ask for information. you don't find osama bin laden and run two wars not getting briefings? >> nobody needs these briefings more than donald trump because no president in recent memory has come in more ignorant about basic realities. he didn't know what the nuclear triad is. couldn't name leaders of hezbollah, hamas. >> george w. bush didn't know the name of the president of pakistan. >> president obama has been reading these things every day and the world is a mess. >> if you want to debate president obama this goes
back -- >> something that kellyann did, a lot of people in the position of wanting to defend donald trump you divert and deflect and put it on obama's failures. i'm no fan of the current president but you can only do that for like ten more days and then it is on you. >> day one it becomes his responsibility. >> you say donald trump makes decisions based on facts. i'm not sure if we know that. i'm not saying this in a d disparaging way. he does things by gut. he has a gut instinct which i think has served him very well in the election. if he had been listening to facts there were people saying there is no way you can win. he had a gut feeling and he went with it. when to turn on one of the other gop candidates.
a lot of it was done by instinct. one thing i think is very important to understand here is that he sees things i think he has the ability like ronald reagan did to see things other people do not see and he is willing to go outside the box. all i can say is anybody who is president of the united states if you to take on the federal bureiocracy the minute your hand comes down you are put in a position where there are tons of stuff coming in that is organized in the shape that the bureaucracy wants you to see things and becomes very difficult and this is going to be his task, his task to get him to look things over in a different capacity and take a fresh look. this is why we have a fresh set of eyes. >> interesting argument to make. >> i think it is a great argument. >> a new light. maybe it should be done the way it has always been done.
>> that's fine. >> donald trump can challenge the intelligence agency but again you have to start from some basis of knowledge. if donald trump were to say i took the intelligence briefing for a month and i find it wasn't that useful he hasn't been taking it from the very beginning. >> the problem with that is -- and i hate to use the benghazi episode. hillary clinton who was seriously experienced senator, first lady, attorney, secretary of state and the whole benghazi thing blew up in her face. she was in charge. >> this is exactly what margaret said. because the pilot who has experience flying the plane crashed therefore it's fine for someone who didn't get the training. hillary clinton had lots of people who had lots of experience made terrible mi mistakes. >> everyone is going to stick around. the transition cheer at the
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election obama sought to minimize irritations. the strain is showing. >> reporter: president obama with only days remang in office looking to preserve his legacy in any way possible taking to yes twitter while on vacation and out of sight to defend his work on job creation, health care and energy. this week he will head to capitol hill to meet with democrats trying to protect at least parts of obama care. at virtually the same time vice president elect mike pence will be meeting with republicans on repealing it. it was weeks ago the show of good will. >> i just had the opportunity to have an excellent conversation with president-elect trump. >> i very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future. >> reporter: didn't take long for the winds of politics carrying plenty of thorns to blow straight from the campaign trail into this transition. >> ronald reagan would roll over in his grave. >> reporter: in the last few
days president obama saying he thinks he would have beaten donald trump in the election. trump responding by tweet he thinks he would have won against me. he should say that but i say no way. and another one, doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory statements and road blocks. thought it was going to be a smooth transition, not. we heard from the first lady. >> we are feeling what not having hope feels like. >> reporter: we have seen top democrats blast the head of the fbi over the clinton e-mail investigation. obama administration standing by its expressions of deep concern and believe that donald trump is unqualified hitting his campaign picks, excorpsiating the team for denials and doubts that russia hacked democratic websites. >> the republican nominee for president was encouraging russia to hack his opponent because he believed that that would help his campaign. >> reporter: despite very public
clashes trump speaks of a quote good relationship with the outgoing president whose legacy is already under fierce attack. the two spoke again by phone friday. >> i'm getting along very well other than a couple of statements and i responded to them and we talked about it and smiled about it. >> reporter: cnn, the white house. >> a lot to talk about with cnn senior political commentator david axelrod. david thrks day after the election president obama, president-elect trump voiced commitment to a smooth transition. do you think either of them has kept their word? >> well, i think that inso far as there are communications between the staffs and both men at various levels who are affecting a transition, yes, in so far as generally their rhetoric has been friendly there
are big differences about the direction of the country. one president is finishing up his administration trying to lock in those things that he believes are important. the other president has been very vocal about a variety of issues kind of breaking with tradition in that regard. and so there is this natural tension that we have seen. >> and just in the last couple of weeks president obama has imposed sanctions on russia and kicked out diplomats. if you ask the trump folks they will tell you the president is trying to box them in. do you think that is true? >> well, i don't know that the resolution in the u.n. -- sounds like president-elect trump is going to chart his own course in the middle east on the issue of russia. there is a bipartisan consensus in the congress that something should be done. the criticism of president obama has been that he didn't act soon
enough and in the minds of some members of congress on both sides harshly enough against the russians. so on this trump stance almost alone. but clearly these are not things that he welcomed and they have been bumps in the road along this transition period. >> president-elect trump has been sitting quietly. is this just what happens when you have a president and president-elect who are as different as these two men are or is it more complicated than that? it is an awkward -- >> i think it is fair to say that everything involving donald trump is a little more complicated because he doesn't operate by the same rules that we're accustomed to. his tweets are often provocative. he sent out a tweet accusing president obama of bad faith in the transition and then the next
day he reported that they had a good conversation and the transition was going swimmingly. you never know which side is up. >> do you think there is lasting effect here or come january 20 their ships passing in the night. >> i think donald trump will become president of the united states. he may or may not rely on predecessors. i remember one of the things that president-elect obama asked the president bush was that he assemble all former presidents for a conversation about the presidency and what he should be thinking about president-elect obama as he entered office. there hasn't been such a meeting
because this president-elect hasn't asked for such meetings. how much he will rely on predecessor for advice i don't know. once the transition is affected there isn't any constitutional reason for them to be in communication. so they may well be ships in the night. until then i can tell you as someone who was involved in a transition eight years ago, it is very, very helpful to have the resource of people who have been there for eight years to help acclimate you to all the nuances of life in the white house. i assume that that is going on. >> thanks very much. >> okay, anderson. democrats plan to begin thwarting. that plan is taking shape and starts on capitol hill. dana bash has that coming up. and new video in the man authorities think killed more than two dozen people on new year's eve.
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back. they are picking their battles. here is chief political correspondent dana bash. >> reporter: democrats may not have the votes to defeat donald trump's nominees but can delay their confirmation. >> i am concerned about a bunch of nominations. >> reporter: and chuck schumer is warning democrats will slow walk eight of trump's picks unless they turn over additional financial information to the senate saying in a statement if republicans think they can quickly jam through a whole slate of nominees without a fair hearing process they are sorely mistaken. democrats say these eight trump nominees have yet to provide key committees and the office of government ethics enough records for senators to make informed decisions about potential conflicts of interest. for example, rex tillerson, trump's nominee for secretary of state handed over information about his taxes. he is not required to turn over his full tax returns but democrats want to change that. >> without seeing their tax
returns it is impossible to know if his nominees have conflicts of interest from their financial dealings that would influence their decisions affecting the american people. >> reporter: tom price, nominee for health and human services is on the democrat's target list. this year he bought and sold 12 health care stocks. democrats are pushing for more information to investigate whether congressman price violated a 2013 insider trade law. the reality is democrats strongly oppose price on policy. >> when it comes to issues like medicare, affordable care act and planned parenthood congressman price and average american couldn't be farther apart. >> reporter: the eight nominees are being singled out by democrats because of where they believe as much as where they invest. like hardy's ceo pick for labor secretary who criticized federal minimum wage increases.
>> he has been pretty antiworker when he was the head of hardees. >> reporter: sean spicer says democrats should act as the gop did eight years ago allowing democrats to confirm seven of obama's nominees on the day he took office. >> each of these individuals is an agent of success and change. the idea that the democrats' choice is to figure out how to oppose the individuals is frankly sad. >> reporter: democrats argue the difference now is that trump is filling his cabinet with billionaire whose haven't handed over enough information to be properly vetted. still democrats aren't just doing this to scrutinize nominees. it is a way to try to mess up the gop legislative agenda like repealing obama care. it could take weeks or months. >> joins us now along with the
panel. even though democrats don't have the votes to block these nominees, what is it they gain by delaying the process? >> attention and time. and the more time they have the more attention they can get. it's not so much for necessarily certainly isn't a benefit but not so much about potential conflicts of interest for the nominees, it is using the nominees as a vehicle to discuss policy issues that they represent. for example, take tom price at health and human services. they delay that for a week on the senate floor and by delaying it it means you have to talk a lot. they can talk a lot about the reasons why they think that the republicans are wrong to repeal obama care and you can go down the line from the epa administrator on down. at the end of the day this is the most important thing. it will be very hard to see how they could possibly block the
nominees. that's not really their goal. it is to get attention and to unify the democratic caucus around these ideas and around these anti-republican messages. >> the other way of looking at this is that it is the same thing that democrats criticized republicans for doing against president obama which they did from the get go. >> yes but it's not even apples to apples. there is a real risk to doing it. even republicans who -- democrats constantly cite mitch mcconnell saying his job is to make sure obama failed. republicans confirmed all cabinet nominees. five of them were confirmed. this actually to me represents more of this unraveling of just civility and the basic way business has been done. it's like peeling off layers of the onion. it gets worse and worse and worse. >> is it unraveling democratic
party trying to figure out what to do? >> and we have been through a number of these confirmation situations. it is almost always exactly as dana described it. they have a policy difference with nominee a, b or c. they don't want to say they have already said that. we don't want obama care repealed but they are not going to touch that. they are going to go after some conflict of interest. that's what they do. if the thing is big enough then they hope to hammer the nominee into the ground and defeat. that is the m.o. it is a cynical game and a dangerous game because at this point one of the reasons donald trump is president is because so many people think these people are cynical politicians. >> should democrats do this? >> i think that ultimately these people deserve a vote. i'm sure almost all of them will be confirmed. they will have a vote at the
same time process to happen for obama's nominees. i do think that there is an important principle about whether these people are going to give over the same information that previous cabinet nominees did. we know that donald trump has changed the rules when it comes to himself unlike other presidential nominees. i think it is important to try to hold the line and make sure it doesn't become true of the entire trump administration. >> donald trump didn't change the rules. there was no rule that he had to -- >> precedent. >> norms people have abided by. >> they are important norms but the difference fortunately there are statutes. there are laws. >> binding. >> and i want to add i think peter is right that as cynical as this is and shocking there is politics in washington, there is
a difference. margaret points out that the republicans in the minority when president obama took office allowed seven nominees to be approved the day he was inaugurated. that is true. the democrats point out that those nominees had given all their paperwork. they didn't just hear from the president-elect that this is the person who i want to nominate and that is the end of it. they got their information to the appropriate committee so they can get the trains moving on time. that's why one of the reasons democrats are saying we are not going to move this fast especially in a day and age where we are supposed to say politics as usual is going to be different and these people are not bought and sold because that is what donald trump ran on. we want to make sure that that is the case. it is understandable that they are doing that. >> do you think there is a chance that middle of the road
republicans that there might be enough that one or more confirmations doesn't get through? >> probably not. there is always the exception. there is always the chance that we learn something that we didn't expect. who would have thought that tom dashal who had been the democratic leader in the senate would sink as the nominee for treasury secretary because he had his own personal tax issue. you never know. probably the more likely scenario and more likely thing we will look for is how many democrats peel off from their party and support the president's nominees. >> i want to thank our panel tonight. more breaking news. the killer, terrorist who attacked on new year's eve still at large tonight as the man hunt intensifies. we are learning more about some of his victims and clues he left behind. before fibromyalgia, i was active. i was energetic. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy.
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victims from across the globe, men and weomen, starting the ne year at a popular club of here's sara sidner. >> reporter: video from a party the moment istanbul entered 2017. just 75 minutes later, mayhem. flashes from a gun held by a man as he begins his killing spree, first outside, shooting a police officer and security guard. then he opened fire quinn side. 39 people are killed, 69 injured. the victims from all over the world, including the united states. >> i got shot in the leg, man. he's crazy. >> reporter: william jacob raak survived. raak now heading home. >> for me, i wake up in the united states. i eat breakfast. you guys wake up and have to think of this.
it's so sad. and i really wish everybody here the best. >> reporter: the worse was yet to come for the victims' families. 24 hours after the massacre, the funerals began, this one for another security guard, his mother's moans pierce the silence. his father in shock. his son had survived this car bomb attack three weeks ago at an istanbul stadium, but not the nightclub massacre. he was one in a million. if he wasn't special, hundreds of people would not have bothered to show up here, he says. this sorrow will be multiplied 39 times. had this is just one of the families forced to say good bye to their young loved ones after the attack. 27 were foreign nationals, including a film producer and a fashion designer from india. a beautiful 19-year-old israeli citizen with a full life awaiting her. a massive man hunt is now under
way for the man believed to be the lone attacker. turkish authorities say they have his fingerprints and image but still have not caught him. the april of the attack, though, has come into focus as isis claimed responsibility, using social media, saying in part, a soldier of the brave caliphate attacked the nightclub while christians were celebrating their holiday. but many of them were muslim. they have failed to change minds but succeeded in sowing sorrow. >> do turkish authorities think they're closer to catching him? >> reporter: they do, they think they're getting closer and closer -- clue since this happened. they do not know the attacker's
name, and they do not know his whereabouts at this hour. >> and turco has experienced a big uptick in attacks. have they all been claimed by isis? >> reporter: no, interestingly there have been times when the government thought isis had perpetrated the attack. this is the first time, which makes it significant, that isis has said it was behind this terrible massacre. >> you mentioned some of the security. how much security was there at this club? do we know? >> reporter: we know that there were at least two security guards, because two security guards were killed. we also know theres with a policeman killed. and in had this particular neighborhood, anderson, it's quite a place where a lot of people end up going, because there are caves that are affordable. there are shops that people go to, and at night, there are a lot of nightclubs, this one was the most famous, but certainly, there are others in the area. so it's usually full of people,
and istanbul was on high alert. there was a bigger police presence than there had been in a while because of the attacks, including the one in december. the security guard involved in one avoided being killed at the stadium when there was an attack. there's more breaking news, including the evidence that appears to weaken trump's claim that we don't know who hacked the dnc e-mails. more ahead. let's do more. add one a day women's complete with key nutrients we may need. plus it supports bone health with calcium and vitamin d. one a day women's in gummies and tablets.
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. digital fingerprints that officials say may make their hacking case against russia even stronger. mr. trump says he knows theming that the public doesn't know. what's the latest evidence that has investigators once again pointing to the russians? >> reporter: there is newly identified digital fingerprints, anderson, that is pointing the finger once again to moscow. according to intelligence officials we've been speaking with, they've been able to tie the attacks to keyboards with