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twitter account. after house republicans voted to gut the ethics committee. president-elect ran oon promise to drain the swamp and tweeted. working behind the strings to hamstring democratic predecessor and it's not donald trump. lot to get to you. start with dana bash and david and christoph, it is official that donald trump is going to hold his own press conference. what do you think he'll say to the press. >> notice he says having a general news conference. remember we were looking for -- initially said hold a mid-january news conference about topic of separating from business and clear up concerns about conflicts of interests with business interests. i'm sure that will be a topic of
this conference no doubt but i think donald trump is looking to have first press conference since july and i'm sure going to get a lot of questions about his views on u.s./russia relationships, relationship with putin, thoughts on the hacking, business relationships with trump corporation and how separating them from him and wall between him and two adult children running the country. along with the first agenda. >> i didn't catch the general part of that myself. but thus is the problem with 140 characters. don't have to answer back to maybe you would say at news conference what do you mean? >> i think this is wonderful news. should applaud anytime we hear
that somebody who we hope to ask questions of and hasn't had a press conference in many months is going to have one. was initially scheduled for mid-december and delayed we were told because understandably he had a lot to unpack and unravel with regard to his businesses and trying to figure out where that's going to go and how it's going to play out. hopefully even if he will take questions on general topics, he will at least present to the country how he plans to separate himself from his businesses and do so in a way that makes people feel comfortable there won't be a conflict of interest or potential legal issues down the road. >> i'm sure he's going to be asked about russia. nicholas, he's been casting
doubt on whether russia is responsible for hack the u.s. election. he's said he knows things that no one else knows and will be telling us what he knew today or tomorrow and short while ago, intelligence briefing on so-called russian hacking delayed until friday. perhaps new time needing to build a case. but jim sciutto reporting if was not scheduled for today. trump is at odds with people in the intelligence community. raising questions. why is he going to the mat for vladimir putin? >> yeah. what you saw was plkt president-elect attacking own intelligence committee and them firing back by leaking. when you have them feuding before he even takes office, not good for anybody. and lot of questions lot of us
want to ask is about ties to russia, not just plans but does russia have leverage over him through debt or business ties? lot of us like to press him on that. >> you're saying people sitting at home, too little too late. should have asked about that before the election -- >> they're right. >> you think they're right? >> i think it's a fair criticism that we in the media spent way too much time following what glittered and not what was substantive, and idea that foreign country was interfering with our election, could hardly imagine anything more substantive. >> not make a difference in the winning but feeling of covered the glitter rather than important stuff.
last press conference in july he said go ahead, hack into your account and give us more information. correct david? >> last time we were able to pose questions to him in that environment he invited the russians to hack hillary clinton's e-mails. it's like the next news conference picks up where the last left off. >> nick has he damaged or hurt his relationships with the intelligence commute? firing back and saying we don't know and firing back and saying wait a minute? >> think he has. not irreparable, intelligence community are professionals, lot of them out in the field risking their lives and some of them bewildered that the president-elect has been attacking them and raising asprergss. as tonight with apparently false intelligence, saying that the
briefing had been rescheduled when in fact as far as we can tell it was always scheduled for friday. i think they're willing to give him a chance, i don't think they're particularly political but certainly getting off to a really bad foot. >> quickly dana. >> most people in the intelligence community are not political but as someone who is very familiar with people in all of these agencies reminded me today, they know how to do things like leak if they want to. and it is dangerous for a president-elect, even a president, to be in public spat with the intelligence community, especially when they don't have a relationship to begin with. >> so nick said getting off to rocky start with the intelligence community and congress the same thing. passed a proposal to gut the office of congressional ethics and blew up in their faces after
donald trump weighed in. many people calling offices and this tweet didn't help. with all that congress has to work on did they have to make the weakening of the ethics watchdog their number one act and priority. focus on tax reform and health care and other things of and then #dts, drain the swamp. you have to ask yourself, what were they thinking? >> i have db i have no idea. covered congress for a long time and seen a lot of what where they thinking moments. this tops them. really does. you think was there something in the water, were they drinking something? what was happening to make them -- and not talking about the leadership because they made clear inside this closed door meeting this was a terrible idea, but the old bulls, heads
of some of the key committees thought it was a good idea. what made them think that? clearly had not been under a rock over the past year and a half. >> do you think overplaying hands? republican house and white house and -- you know what i mean? >> maybe. or it's the age of trump and kind of doesn't matter. we can do what we want. except you forget that -- and ask the 16 people who ran against donald trump and lost, he's unique individual in politics and he fortunately or unfortunately can do things that voters forgive him for, not regular members of congress. >> and before he spoke up, regular citizens were. thought could control the message and they couldn't. >> didn't want to overplay the donald trump tweet because lot of people upset. >> people were bombarding the
offices of their representatives. thought -- finally a credit to journalism. it was reported they were gutting it. >> speaker ryan and others against it but vote would stand before donald trump tweeted that. does he deserve to take the credit? >> he deserves some credit. journalists calling them out late last night, constituent phone calls this morning, media mallstorm that continued and donald trump weighing in clear hi had weight. brought up in the closed conference, made clear that the members understood -- >> was it a bonehooded idea? >> of course. it simply -- even if there's some validity to some arguments for reforms to thethics process, this is no quway to do it, tryi to start a new congress in the
dead of night as surprise, no debate or discussion, that's no way to make changes to how you're going to police yourselves to guard against corruption. not the way to do it. >> coming back, top democrat chuck schumer's message to donald trump and mistake he said his party made in the last congress. gs, bumper stickers. how about foam fingers? like these? now, get 15% off making your company stand out. staples. make more happen. with sleep number, there's an adjustment for that. just a swipe to realign your spine. does your bed do that? come into a sleep number store where the c2 mattress is now $699.99.
broadcast. 17 days until donald trump is sworn in and new minority leader chuck schumer took the helm and threw down the gauntlet. listen to this. >> so mr. president-elect, if there's one part of my speech that i hope you listen to and take to heart, it's this one. and i mean it with the best of intentions. if you abandon change and simply embrace the shop-worn hard right procorporate, proelite policies, diametically opposed to the campaign promises that helped you get votes and elected, your presidency will not succeed. making america great again requires more than 140 characters per issue. with all due respect, america cannot afford a twitter
presidency. >> so david, honestly trump and schumer both new yorkers and known each other. some said they believed donald trump was a democrat. what do you think of the tone? epic battle for the next four years, opening gambit or throwing down the gauntlet or coming in every time there's new president? >> think we're seeing chuck schumer assuming the mantle of the top democrat in government and giving voice to what it is to be the opposition party. wafg the party flag and setting boundaries for donald trump that he could understand where schumer was coming from broadly. but as you noted it, know each other and donald trump was a chuck schumer donor and chuck schumer is going to seek ways where he can to make deals with donald trump. while i have no doubt he will spend most of his time leading the democrats in opposition to
what trump is doing, i don't think what you saw there was some opening salvevo to a four-year epic battle. >> think about it when how long they've known each other and how weird for chuck schumer to have donald trump once a donor as opposition and president of the united states. it's a strange world and he probably knows a lot of secrets about donald trump. known each other foy long time. >> strange for schumer and trump and for trump and lot of republicans. i think the democrats and schumer will find ways to cooperate on issues like infrastructure and try like the devil to block a lot of other areas. one of the lessons one absorbed from the last eight years it senate obstructionism really works. >> dana bash with the big scoop
sat down with him today. we'll listen and then discuss. >> we'd be derelict in responsibility to the america people if we just let -- let's do all of these in a week and not ask tough questions. >> but your hands are tied. in the last congress your democratic leadership, you were part of it, changed rules so you only need 51 votes to confirm a nominee, not 60. therefore you're living by your rules. was that a mistake? >> i argued against it at the time. for supreme court and cabinet should be 60. in such important positions should be some bipartisanship. i won on supreme court but lost on cabinet. it's what we have to live with now. >> not greatest situation when you're minority. >> wish it hadn't happened. >> talking about donald trump's cabinet nominees.
realistically republicans have all the cards. what can democrat do to stop them? >> slow the trains. threatening to do that, use the tools they have to elongate the debate in committee and more importantly on the senate floor, especially if they don't get the background information that democrats want to prove nominees don't have conflicts of interest. but heard chuck schumer, regretful there and pretty blunt in the main tool, vote, that's most important, they don't have it. and that's because they themselves, democrats in the majority had a democrat in the white house changed rules to help themselves. now as i said earlier, shoe meet other foot. >> that should be a lesson. especially when you're talking about -- i would think talking about hacking into systems, whether it's for election or not, when you're the party in favor, and you have the
majority, you may think differently but should always think about these things as if the shoe were on the other foot. >> and that argument was made at the time. i remember not just republicans saying you guys are going to live to regret this but democrats, internal debate you heard chuck schumer discussing there. internal debate whether or not thinking long-term. no party will be in the majority forever. and soo now they have to -- they made the bed, have to lie in it. >> and talk about when they had more power, democrats, because there's a showdown, nick kristof looming on obama care, the republicans want to repeal and replace and thousands of people will lose health insurance. >> not so much that the republicans want to repeal and
replace but seem to want to act now to repeal and then have that be effective in 2019 or 2020 and then not replace right away. breaks down the intricate architecture that depends on all these pieces being together. 22 million people have gained health insurance. health insurance prolongs lives. if you have health insurance your mortality rate drops 20 to 40%. idea of tear down the roof today and replace with unknown thing in a few years, even republican policy wonks are just horrified at this. >> because what do they say, obamacare which was romney care before that which was hillary clinton care before that. >> and clearly a lot of elements of obamacare deeply unpopular
and overall it is but areas that are popular. parts that are pomular are only possible because of the unpopular parts like the mandate. >> donald trump has said he likes key parts, keeping coverage for preexisting positions and keeping parents on it until 26. has he boxed in republicans? >> he's not only republican said positive things about those aspects but it is the second question. you have to get to the mandate. because when you say you want to cover preexisting conditions how do you get insurance companies to agree to that if you're not also guaranteeing v massive customer base that individual mandate of everybody forced to get insurance? that was buy-in for insurance companies to have reason or incentive to cover them, or
allow a young person to stay on the policy until 26. it all went together. that's tricky about cherry picking the popular items. >> except -- not sure how far want to get into substance of it, but it's true it was part of the patchwork of obamacare, the problem that republicans rightly say that the system has is that because the penalty for not getting obamacare isn't that high, a lot of healthy people will pay the penalty and not involved in the system. which is why democrats even hillary clinton wanted to fix it. question is how do you go into between repealing and fixing it and making sure people keep their coverage. >> is there political consequence at polls for republicans if lose health insurance? >> no question there is. and you can bet that this
meeting that democrats are going to have led by outgoing president obama whose name is on this legislation, his legacy, going to find every way they can rhetorically because they can't do anything with votes, to make clear to americans that republicans are going to potentially hurt them with insurance by doing the repeal without as nick said immediately doing replace. but repeal, delay and eventually replace. >> that's got to be the last word. sorry. thank you. appreciate it. happy new year. incoming republican president works to obstruct democratic predecessor and surprises is not donald trump. can tell her to drive more like this. because you'll get this. you can even set boundaries for so if she should be here, but instead goes here, here, or here.
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president-elect trump weighing in on international relations from china to israel, old idea of one president at a time really taking a beating. but not the first time a presidential contender was accused of playing politics with foreign policy. let's discuss this. former director of library and author of "richard nixon: the life" you'll know as well. this idea of one president at a time taking a beating. saying donald trump is not going to sit back and wait for january 20th. there's no surprise there. he won the election. why wouldn't he jump in at this point in the game?
>> look at mess that donald trump is in because of the russian hacking. could have said i'm going to wait until sworn in as president. this is president obama's intelligence reports, i'll look at them but give the president the courtesy of waiting a couple of weeks -- >> stop right there. mike back on. right in your lap. did you finish your thought? >> i think donald trump would be -- would have been wise to stick with one president at a time policy instead of being found in the middle of this hacking situation every minute that he's in right now. >> we'll fix the mike. go to john now. you discovered evidence of another situation where a presidential contender seemed to interfere in foreign policy. october of 1968, lyndon johnson was close to a break through in
the peace talks between north and south vietnam but found evidence that richard nixon intervened to mess up the negotiations. you recovered records. including this note. any other way to monkey wrench it? alderman. anything rn, richard nixon, can do? what did he do? >> he had envoy, woman named anna chinault, connected to the government in saigon and sent messages telling them that the nixon administration would play a nicer more lenient role on the south vietnamese government than a humphrey administration would and they found it compelling. missing factor that i chanced upon doing research in yorba
linda were notes from haldman that show that nixon not only countenanced this but directed it. something he and his supporters denied for 50 years. >> talk about haldeman but first, you wrote nixon insisted he hadn't sabotaged the peace initiative to bring the war in vietnam to early conclusion, my god would never do anything to discourage them coming to the table. now we know he lied. how might history have been different if there was a peace treaty in 1968 in is. >> that is excellent question, $100,000 question. and there's debate on both sides. i believe it had some effect but we have to remember that south
vietnamese and north vietnamese don't act in vacuums. have their own political pressures in hanoi and saigon and could be that negotiations would have failed anyway and breakthrough that johnson thought he had was not really there. >> timothy you say that nixon's interference in the peace talks set the tone for his administration. have donald trump's set tone for his? >> we'll see about donald trump. but i'm convinced that only way to understand watergate is understand that richard nixon took the tools that cia would use overseas in covert action and applied them at home. and that matter, the piece he gave us was covert action done at home and nixon continued to do that in his presidency and
our intelligence community knew he had done it. wary of getting caught and i think increased the secretiveness of his administration. >> here's what john dee in the nixon white house said. this new info shows nixon was more than a serial liar but evil. actions may have cost some 30,000 lives. is that fair to say? >> we can't make that claim. don't know how important it is. jack's book, i've read it and wrote a blurb for it. it's incredible. but don't know if could have been a peace there. william bundy working for the johnson administration for negotiations said we're not sure whether that matters that much. but there is an argument to be made it's criminal activity what nixon did. really is. >> add to that. i believe that the south vietnamese government
blackmailed richard nixon in 1972 and reason why we didn't have peace that would have happened in october of '72 is nixon knew the south vietnamese would blow the secret of what he did. so doesn't happen until after he's reelected. war lasted three months longer and american p.o.w.s in jail three months longer because of that fact. >> john, the logan act dating to 1789 doesn't allow citizens to interfere. when donald trump intervened in the united nations vote speaking to leaders, did he break the law? >> it's more of a warning sign than a law in which guys are
hauled into court and sent to jail. my reading of what happened in the chinault case is nixon came very close if not positively violated that law. think take us years, hopefully not 50, to know exactly what trump did and whether it would apply. >> stick around. guess who is coming to the inauguration? hillary clinton and husband bill will be there when donald trump takes oath of office, moment for the history books but what does it say about our democracy? nth. no extra monthly fees. ♪ this is your tax return. ok. now, there are many right ways to fill out this tax return. and the irs will accept them all.
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president-elect still raising questions about russian tack but it's not the first time there's been election interference. back with me now, timothy natalie, douglas brinkley and -- watergate brought nixon down. ordered team to get files breaking into democratic files. in russian hack it's digitally. how does it compare? >> i think there's absolute comparison. "new york times" a couple of weeks ago had wonderful photograph from the basement. democratic national committee, server broken into next to the
files broken into by the watergate burglars. in both case the same kind of attack, scaled up 50 years later for differences in technology but with the same purpose, get embarrassing information to be spread and harm the opposition candidate. >> timothy and doug, i have to ask you both about donald trump taking on the intelligence community saying this is a quote, delayed briefing him on so-called russian hacking to have time to build a case. agency insisting always scheduled for later in the week. have we seen this before -- >> it's a bad idea. shouldn't do this. intelligence community has information about him that i'm sure he would like not to be released. not saying there's a great secret out there but doesn't make sense for donald trump to be make adversaries in the tlins
community, community that tevs presidents regardless of party, right now. why not stay silent? >> does he realize that intelligence community has information about him? at very least information about paul manafort and others. >> all of us. >> not necessarily. >> one of the things with nixon, he was part of the establishment. he was eisenhower's vp. knew foreign affairs and intelligence community and wouldn't do this. donald trump is island on his own. using twitter as bully pulpit and first time i know a president who is unilaterally disagreed with entire intelligence apparatus. but the failures of george w. bush's iraq war and weapons of miss destruction allowed donald trump to say they're wrong about
that war so probably about this. that's the excuse he's using. >> but at some point going to have to use intelligence and now he's discredited all of it. >> there's interesting parallel in that president obama and president lyndon johnson in 1968 had the same sort of dilemma. had information, perhaps incomplete information, about the candidate running against the candidate they hoped to be their successor and had to decide how to use it in the volatile last days or weeks of the campaign. johnson decided he couldn't use it even though some advisers urged him because didn't know nixon was personally involved. we don't know what obama knows about donald trump's knowledge of the russian hacking but it's possible he faced the same kind of decision and made the decision for the same reason to let the election go ahead. >> one point.
1980, ronald reagan taking on jimmy carter and october surprise, meaning keeping the hostages in iran, william casey and people with the reagan administration were interfering in foreign policy then, saying keep the hostages in until after the election. it's happened before. not just nixon or trump. >> lbj did use the material with nixon. told him he knew what he had done, forced him to use the information to get back to -- >> i remember the reagan stuff. this went out as alert. main victim of the hacking, hillary clinton is going to ahend the inauguration with her husband. all former living presidents will be there except bush who is infirm. they have to for history's sake go. wasn't a big deal to me.
>> they all needed to be there. there are times when some won't. andrew johnson wouldn't go to ulysses s. grab the but i knew they would rally. we're one nation and have to stay united. all doing the right thing by being there. >> there's going to be a huge shift in policy between barack obama and president-elect. have we seen abrupt switches between administration? >> sure. harriy truman and eisenhower hardly spoke to one another riding together. and saying that john adsomes got in carriage and didn't attend thomas jefferson's inauguration. president-elects handle these as
best they can. one instructive lesson we can learn from the nixon administration is that when he came into office he was very much feared and opposed by the democratic establishment. and pat moynahan, later to become a u.s. senator was adviser and said that nixon tried hard in the first nine months in office to be a good president and reach out to everybody and got no credit for it. by not getting that credit he was hurt and bruised and turned him down towards his darker impulses. so that's maybe something we might want to remember as new president comes in, that yes if you have philosophical and partisan differences with him, should oppose him but that constant wearing down may cause donald trump to decide what's he got to lose. >> i should have phrased the question differently. this is different than a shift in policy. seen a shift between
conservative and liberals before. but this is president-elect unlike any other. added factor on top. >> there is indeed. as doug mentioned this man comes to office breaking the norms and he knows he's doing it and happy to do it. these are the rituals, i don't like them. modern presidency doesn't need them. everybody is expecting unexpected. and it's added layer of stress and happening around the world. leaders from around the world don't know what to expect but not what it was under bush or obama. >> barack obama is going to make farewell speech. >> i think cyber security issues. maybe like dwight eisenhower did with the military industrial complex, warning of dangers to come.
just book on george washington's farewell address but unique it's at mccormick center. audience for it. eisenhower would do it in front of the camera reading teleprompter. he will also want to claim what he accomplished in the presidency and why we have to go on offering affordable health care to people and not repeal it. defense. >> what are we going to hear from other speech? >> i got from mr. trump it's going to be short. he didn't want to be long winded. conscious of january, people in the cold. said would write it himself. he's a best selling author he threw in there. and going to do it. obviously will be speech writers but i think be very much like the unity speech he gave when he won the election and got high
praise for that. >> and like most celebrity books, will be a ghost writer too let's be real. >> might be pulling sayings from all the speeches and piecing them together. >> thank you gentlemen. come back with top democrat chuck schumer, tough talk, why he says he'd like to make a deal with trump but don't count on it. the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.
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president-elect takes oath of office in just 17 days as a new congress convenes today with republican majorities in the house and senate. but new senate minority leader chuck schumer has a message for the gop and trump. dana bash sat down with him. >> chuck schumer arriving for first day at senate democratic leader. new large suite still strewn with unpacked boxes. >> you have decorates to do here. >> a lot. it's not my forte. >> schumer was hoping to be majority leader working with hillary clinton in the white house. instead he's leading the trump opposition. he proudly described a recent
conversation with trump. >> i said mr. president-elect, you went after both drm democratic and republican establishments when you ran. you were anti-establishment change candidate but by cabinet picks seem to be embracing time-worn, shop-worn hard right. >> you said that to him. >> i did. >> what did he say? >> nothing but i said if you do that, won't come close to being a success. >> for schumer, will be complicated. fine line when to work with trump and when not to. >> if he moves in our direction and abandons his republican colleagues. 95% of the time be holding his feet to the fire but democrats, not going to oppose things just to oppose them. >> i know you.
you like to make deals. >> problem is republicans in the senate and house run by far right group, tea party almost group. >> but now a deal maker in the white house like you. >> going to look at specifics. of course like to make a deal. >> make progressives in his party nervous. >> said democratic leaders from chuck schumer down need to stop playing footcy with trump and need to -- >> not doing that. my views same as bernie sanders. both said same thing. if can work with him and be true to principles, not going to reject. but overall sticking to principles. >> two new yorkers have history. schumer doesn't know trump well he said but one of the early donors. said he liked him better than
gop leaders. >> he said something close to it. >> republican president tell a democratic leader he likes you more than republicans? >> when you get to be in my position, people want to flatter you. grain of salt. >> trump is hardly schumer's only concern, fixing defeated democratic party. prescription? >> a sharp edged economic message that talks about helping middle class and people who want to be middle class get there more easily. >> just the task for the man in the 1980s put himself on the map being media savvy, famous line, toughest place between camera and chuck schumer. >> said by bob dole after mad i passed the brady law which i'm glad i did. >> now you pretend to beyne cell phone. changed a lot.
>> in early days press was a good way to bring out problems that need to be fixed. now have other levers of pressure. hardly inaccessible. >> authenticity. >> there's a balcony. try to find out if we can have barbecues. >> sounds fun. >> leader or not, refined, never be. >> put a fair escape and be like brooklyn. >> that's right. >> coming back, president obama is heading.
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breathing through oxygen mask covered california. it's more than just health care. it's life care. president barack obama making a rare trip to capitol hill tomorrow, trying to save obamacare. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon, donald trump promise s to repeal and replace the affordable care act but how much of the rest of the obama legacy will survive? but first what is wrong with this picture? who is that? joseph cinque, known by colorful name joey "no socks," a convicted felon linked with john