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breathing through oxygen mask covered california. it's more than just health care. it's life care. president barack obama making a rare trip to capitol hill tomorrow, trying to save obamacare. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon, donald trump promise s to repeal and replace the affordable care act but how much of the rest of the obama legacy will survive? but first what is wrong with this picture? who is that? joseph cinque, known by colorful name joey "no socks," a convicted felon linked with john
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gotti, what is he doing sharing the stage with president-elect. get to michelle kosinski with the latest on the long-awaited news conference. president-elect hasn't held one since late july. it's changing. what can you tell us? >> tweet comesous announcing this, will be having a general news conference in big letters january 11th in nyc. thank you. long anticipated by reporters. campaigned constantly criticizing hillary clinton for how long it had been since she had spoken to the press in that format. for him it's gone on about as long. expected to address business dealings, how he's going to handle business interests, expected to add clarity to that but general news conference so
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other things will come up. he did have some interaction with the press on new year's eve. heard from him since then but this is a full-on news conference where reporters will throw anything they got at him. >> it is a little bit more important now, president-elect of the united states, not just a kabdate. >> there's a lot to talk about. >> and tweeting about russian hacking tonight. what is he saying? >> interesting, look at this tweet. way it's formatted is just as interesting and confusing as way it's worded. the quote intelligence briefing on so-called russian hacking, also in quotes, was delayed until friday, perhaps more time needed to build a case. very strange. members of the intelligence community talking to cnn think this is very strange. wouldn't be the first time necessarily but once again putting intelligence in quotes,
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so call russian hacking in quotes. again calling into question the work of top intelligence officials in the country and their conviction that russia was behind the hacking of the democratic websites with the view of influencing the presidential election. that raises questions on its own. as to what exactly he's referring to, intelligence officials are not sure either. he had a daily briefing this morning. wasn't a deep dive on the russian hacking which is they think maybe what he was expecting, but he is going to meet with intelligence officials on friday for something they've been trying to organize with the trump campaign. however what he seems to be referring to comprehensive review into the hacking that president obama ordered, that's not done yet. president obama hasn't seen it yet. they're confused and think he
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might be confused but apparently right now not getting clarity. >> i'm confused and i'm sure the people at home are. now that we're done with the tweets of the day, how exactly is the white house preparing for the new administration? right after trump was elected were reports that his team was surprised by having to staff the west wing. why would one be surprised by that? >> you hear these dribs and drabz of conversation from current staffers, their concerns about the preparation of the team, their view -- you know, of what they think the job is compared to what it really entails. are there going to be people to fill these positions? he's been quick with many of his appointments but we've heard rumblings from national security community especially, haven't been having meetings as much as current transition team in the
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white house working on the transition would like to see. plenty of meetings. trump team officials coming to the white house and offices around washington to hammer this all out. just remains to be seen how quickly this all gets done and what that preparation level really is. >> michelle kosinski, white house correspondent. thank you. how will america change especially as it comes to race. let's discuss with author of "ghosts of jim crow" and van jones. things are moving. explain for me how you see this change that we're about to go through as a country. what can we expect in. >> first of all, its going to be a very i think emotional moment
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for people like myself who were hope and changers eight years ago. showing up in washington, d.c., with bright eyes thinking that dr. king's dream had come true and going to make the whole country amazing. going to be emotional moment to hear his final farewell when there are things you can't take back. 10.5 million net new jobs. donald trump saves 700 new jobs. everybody jumps up and down. but those can't be taken away. got through tough wars and times. but hope of inaugurating a new era with race, election of a donald trump who ran a divisive campaign on the issues of race, those hopes did not come true. going to be bitter sweet. >> heard the president speaking
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to david alxelrod says sometime the changes don't show up in elections or politically. >> i do agree. i always said that obama's power as president was always second to his power as precedent. in other words people around the world, children around the world including in the united states seeing someone who looked that way with that kind of a name doing something extraordinary, he set a precedent for a whole generation of kids globally and that's going to pay itself off again and again. and michelle obama did the same thing. that stuff you can't take back, can't unring that bell u. but in the narrow confines of politics got to have some disappointment. >> there's a great piece where historians discuss trump's winning described as revolt by white working-class voters but
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little to do with racism or xenophobia, calling it racial amnesia. >> there's a lot of merit to the argument that lot of americans are in denial about the significance of race in america today. i've written a lot of books about how fafr we've come but how far we stril to go and ris is still -- donald trump ran a divisive campaign using a lot of racial rhetoric. and people voted for trump for many reasons but i think some voted for him because that racial rhetoric appealed to them. for me it's unfortunate because those people that voted for trump because upset with washington or disappointed with their own economic situations, to me the racial rhetoric should have prohibited those
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individuals from voting for trump. should have disqualified. unfortunately many of those individuals seemed to discount the racial rhetoric or ignore it. to me that's very unfortunate because that reflects a jim crow mentality from days gone by. >> van jones reported here when he interviewed a lot of trump supporters that it wasn't disqualifying for them. but digging deeper, article also says the racial amnesia is similar to what we saw after the civil war, defeated confederates argued that the civil war was about states' rights and not slavery. seeing a rewriting of history now michael? >> i think we are. and comparisons are fascinating and very accurate "birth of a nation" was rewriting of history about reconstruction, glorifying
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the klu klux klan and suggesting they were the saviors of the south rather than a racist terrorist organization. and i think seeing that to an extent today with the denial of the decision of race for some trump supporters. remember trump ran a very divisive campaign on race. when he initially announced talked about mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists. talked about a muslim ban for all muslims coming to america. i mean, these were clearly racist notions. and unfortunately it resonated with some americans. >> but many of his supporters didn't see it that way and you called donald trump's win on election night a whitelash and what he said about race was no the disqualifying for some. which is interesting, marginalized people -- people
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voted oneconomics. marginalized people those things translate into economics for them. >> absolutely. part of the thing that's so tough and one of the reasons why i did this special called "the messy truth" it's messy. people say it was only racial resentment and antagonism from trump voters, not true. other issues. then say only economics for every single trump voter. also not true. what you have is -- it's marbled together, some of these racial resentments marbled in with economic concerns, antielitism. some of the stuff he won on was stuff that bernie sanders was winning on for some voters but there were voters for whom the racial appeals were powerful. the thing that's most heartbreaking for me, racially
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charged statements were not disqualifying. for some people -- i didn't like that stuff. don't feel that way, i wouldn't want my kid talking that way but i didn't care enough about that, the other issues were not important. distasteful but not disqualifying. that's where the heartbreak is, people knew it was wrong but didn't care enough to vote on that basis. it's messy situation for all americans. need to listen to each other more carefully to understand this going forward. >> what will obama's legacy be on race? and how do you think the incoming president will change or build on that? >> i think that one thing that can never be taken away from president obama is he was the first nonwhite president in the united states. firsts follow people. george washington the fist president, jfk the first
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catholic president. follow them the rest of their lives. and this can't be taken from obama. and on race significant, apinted first latina to the supreme court. justice soet omier will be on the escort for years and see her decisions. and eric holder as first black attorney general. strong on equality. investigations of law enforcement in a number of cities particularly after racial incidents was very powerful and thorough. and i think will be effective in the future. >> thank you gentlemen. see you soon. come back, president-elect and convicted felon. why donald trump took the stage on new year's eve with the man known as joey no socks. y right s to fill out this tax return. and the irs will accept them all.
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the president-elect spent new year's eve at a bash at his estate in mar-a-largo surrounded by family, friends and crowd of well-wishers. including one who goes by the colorful name joey "no socks," convicted felon named joesive cinque. joins me now with more. what do we know about this guy? >> two guys that know each other very well. donald trump seems to be disavowing his knowledge of cinque at the moment but this is a guy raising questions because he's a convicted felon able to get so close to the president-elect. joseph cinque, aka joey "no
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socks," celebrating next to the president-elect on new year's eve. cinque's surnt lawyer says the artwork was legally owned but court says pled guilty and conviction stands. served no jail time. trump and cinque go way back. shared stage at miss universe contest. calling him joe. in 2009 trump given an award by cinque, given many over a decade. >> i would like to congratulate and thank joe cinque head of the academy for unbelievable job he does. >> and last year at mar-a-largo celebration.
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>> thank you very much joe. >> again joey "no socks" cinque front and center with donald trump. he told the associated press he didn't know. >> let's assume donald trump doesn't know who this guy is. wow, donald trump is so unaware and doesn't have people around him to warn him you're standing next to convicted felon? >> david k. johnson covered trump's rise mostly for "new york times." new book "the making of donald trump" pulls no punches. >> i was absolutely shocked that donald trump, president-elect, would stand at public forum next to convicted felon who claimed to be connected to john gotti krebably enough that the prosecutor's office thought it was a real connection. >> u.s. secret service declined to comment and referred to the trump transition team which also
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refused to comment. several mar-a-largo members and guests who attended the party tell cnn no secret service background check prior to it but did go through metal detectors. the trump/cinque connection rooted in the american academy, association that over the years trump is listed as ambassador extraordinaire. >> trump proudly hangs many awards. signed by joey "no socks" and also donald trump as chairman of the board. >> it's like trump giving himself an award. >> now the u.s. secret service says they're only there to protect the president or president-elect physically, not in control of the guest list. transferred us to the transition tofs talk to them about it.
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they didn't want to talk about it. >> did he really say he didn't know him? or didn't know him well is this. >> said didn't know him well or wasn't aware of conviction and disavowed knowledge and transition office didn't want to speak to us at all today. >> people have been talking about joseph cinque and donald trump for years. >> endless footage. >> david johnson, thanks for joining us. cinque celebrated new year's with donald trump, survived a mob hit and linked to john gotti. had people in the campaign, when "access hollywood" tapes came out, i have heard joey cinque and donald trump in conversations and not surprised by this.
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what can you tell us? >> joey has been at that mar-a-largo party every year for more than a decade. donald was chairman of the board for this dmrks basically a scam. sell for a price the awards they give out including the ones that hang in at least 19 of the properties that donald trump owns. but deeper problem here don is this is the second time in a week that donald trump has publicly stood with a serious criminal. he was with don king earlier. don king stomped to death one of his employees over a $600 dispute back in the '60s, later pardoned but fact is he killed the man. two people in one week and because donald trump's operating the way he is with his own security as well as secret service, we don't know what other criminals he's seeing currently but do know that donald has spent his entire
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adult life deeply in the embrace of one of the biggest cocaine traffickers in america with violent convicted felons and mobsters, often gratuitously. comes to it in family sort of way, father's business partner was identified as front or associate for the gambino or jen vasy crime families in new york. never had anything like this. most candidates for office, if you found out made a donation, never even nemt, get rid of that money, send it back, give to charity, distance himself. donald trump puts his arms around this people. >> that's the reason you think for denial that he knew him well and then you have all this evidence? >> donald denies all the time things that are very well documented public record. claims he hardly knows and
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couldn't identify felix saiter the son of the mob boss, there's photographs all over and that piece by miguel and producers working with him, clearest piece i've seen. i'm glad once i broke this by in essence fwe essence tweeting about it, that you ran with it. should be proud of that piece. >> and i have to say if joey "no socks" cinque is convicted felon but paid debt and took place long ago, what does it matter? miguel? >> that's what they say basically, this is -- the secret service says look, this is not a crime that was dangerous, this was not something that he did that was going to get donald
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trump hurt. everybody went through a magnet tom tir at this party and so there is no security issue with him hanging out with this one individual. >> but is it the cover-up david that -- i don't know this guy and never spent time with him, is that the worst part? or are things there that clandestine relationships or dealing that the public doesn't know about? >> first of all, it's just lying. donald lying repeatedly in the public where evidence shows he's not telling the truth about associations with people like this. troubling part is we don't know who else he's seeing or deals he's doing. look at effort to extort four billion dollars from the biggest mining company in the -- donald
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holding up extortionist as person he's friends with, posing for the cameras. lots of deep connections including with the russian oligarchs, network of criminals sponsored by vladimir putin's government. we need to know about these relationships and why trump doesn't distance himself. >> thank you david and miguel. coming back, doesn't look like donald trump will give up twitter anytime soon but what happens once he becomes president?
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donald trump may be our first so-called twitter president but could that back
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fire? let's discuss. kailee mcenany is here. alice stewart, former for ted cruz and bakry sellers. welcome all. just in 24 hours trump tweeting about everything from russia, china, guantanamo bay. how is he handling presidency with 140 characters. >> this is the way he's been doing it. oftentimes setting the narrative for people in the media. despite the chuck schumer saber rattling saying can't afford a twitter presidency, don't see it trying to change. going to a high price for anyone who tries to pry that twitter phone out of his hand. don't see it happening. >> you say it's going to backfire and provoke north
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korea. >> i think alice is right, probably not going to change. i think donald trump from his perspective is being smart because he wakes p and drives the message of the day with his tweets. on the other hand not being -- won't be a good president if that's what he does because he's not essentially getting into the nuances and complexity of the policy. interesting story in the wall street journal today that's he's constantly setting up. when child wants to be provokive, says the most thsh denied have to beat out normal conversation. feels like that's what donald trump is doing. >> bring point. media fall for it every time and i should say we report on the
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tweets. for me there's more sporimporta to it. but it's more important coming from donald trump or kellyanne conway about news conference than about the twitter feed because don't get the nuance. why do we keep reporting on tweets? why not kellyanne conway saying president trump is going to have a press conference? should carry more weight shouldn't it? >> we've seen donald trump contra dict his staff. done it throughout the campaign and then kellyanne conway made comment about the ethics committee and then trump took a different position. i feel sorry for kell yaen and rest of the team because tweets seem to matter more than policy communicated by the officials in
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his administration. >> kayleigh called adverse aerss losers, and ugly. and i know we've said he's going to pivot and change but -- >> i think he's going to be his authentic self but last few days or weeks he's hammering home the top message. north korea. not going to let this happen, not going to send a long-range ballistic missile here but what we neglect is not all of it will be in the tweet. will be summits in the background and diplomacy and message on twitter. i think dummy and those words will be left. seen a little bit of a change. >> you heard hilary say poses a problem for kellyanne conway, stronger in her language but as a donald trump supporter you
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have to change message because he says something else between 5:00 and 6:00. does that pose a problem? >> i think it's important that everyone is on the same page but think we read into the nuances and think there's division within. we neglect the part of the tweet today said the ethics committee is unfair but nevertheless shouldn't be on the agenda. i think sometimes differences in nuances but that's just communication. "wall street journal" says there's a danger in leaving the world unsure which messages to take seriously and trying to handle nuclear weapons strategy on the fly but it's also likely mr. trump knows exactly what he's doing. communication style intentional? >> that's a good question. i don't think anybody knows the answer to that. you caught me off guard. somewhat of a trick question.
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is it intentional? at moment but changes periodically throughout the day. two things to analyze talking about donald trump's tweets. first i agree with you, no idea why the media covers them the way they do. they lack context, do a disservice to the american public and don't think they're newsworthy per se. that's first. second they're dangerous. donald trump's tweets are dangerous. good friend kayleigh just casually talked about a tweet of north korea sending a ballistic missile to the united states. you simply can't do that as president of the united states and dealing with diplomacy and more importantly with nuclear weapons. i think everyone wants donald trump to step up to the mantle of president of the united states and he can use social media in provocative and good ways but foreign policy and some of the dangerous things he
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tweets out, it deserves more than 140 characters, and media -- >> you said can't do as president but as president-elect he's doing it, probably going to continue. >> and we're still here. hasn't been a nuclear war yet. to me. >> don't say yet. >> i'm making a joke. >> horrible statement. >> let her finish. >> being satirical to illustrate a point. apocalyptic predictions but not controversial for president-elect to come out on twitter and say that north korea is not going to send a missile here. but you call it casual because came out on twitter. but earlier point is there will be diplomatic communications going on behind the scenes. putting out something on twitter is not a big deal. >> quickly. got to get to the break. >> his tweet attacking intelligence agencies today.
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and so-called russian hacking. he said at one point in the campaign i'm not going to give away my plans that lets foreigners, entire world that he does not believe the u.s. intelligence agencies' information. you can't have that conversation in a tweet. so unbelievably wrong and dangerous and calls into question so much of global u.s. strategy, so i think kayleigh is parsing through some of the least harmful things, but there are a lot of examples just over the last week of things he's said that are dangerous and require more explanation. >> we'll discuss more right after the break. don't go anywhere. you got the amazing new iphone 7 on the house by switching to at&t... what??.... aand you got unlimited data because you have directv?? (laughs to self in disbelief) okay, just a few more steps...
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i keep my heart undone the strong in me, i still smile. we're back. donald trump hasn't held a news kofrps since the end of july but that's about to change. alice stewart, you wanted to make a point about 140 character diplomacy. >> having worked with ted cruz, recipient of harsh tweets from donald trump, it's frustrating and had my way wouldn't have happened. but come from old school of communications with campaigning and serving in elected office where you hold a press
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conference and fully flesh out your policies. that's not going to be the way moving forward. donald trump has set a new style for how he wants to lead, govern and get his message out. many people think twitter is now a four-letter word we have to embrace it, new era and age and new president-elect and we all have to get used to it. going to be different. >> i think everyone has embraced twitter but thing is hilary when you're leader of the free world, precision is important and you have to be precise. many people are happy he's announced will hold a news conference on january 11th and journalists can ask questions and he can respond and get nuance and clarification. what are you hoping to hear? >> i think also the frame is important. this isn't just a narrative that the republicans are trying to create you're old school and want things like real long explanations but twitter is the
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way of the future. i think this is about accountability, and when you have that kind of one-way communication and untruths which this guys says as we saw multiple times in the last couple of weeks on twitter, there's nobody really responding saying wait a minute, what's your evidence for that mr. president-elect? that's what i think we'll see a lot of at news conference. i think if he had done less tweeting and more communicating over the last three weeks, first news conference would be a lot less confrontational, i inspect it to be very confrontational from everything are you lying about ford and relationship with vladimir putin and what conversations have you had behind the scenes? why are you doubting intelligence agencies on russian hacking? what is your connection with the house ethics committee?
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i think we're going to see combative news conference. >> are you going to be there? you have a lot of questions. >> my guess is will shut trump down again for several months more because he won't be able to handle the scrutiny. >> i don't think so. he is the -- out of all the primary contenders, he took the hard interviews, went to every single news station regardless of how he felt they depicted him and gave everybody interview. i agree he'ston a lot time but he handled all of it throughout the primary and came back for more despite getting beatings from some of the interviewers. he can handle it. not going to go away with -- >> hasn't met the press in 160 days. interviews with sean hannity on fox news, softballs but hasn't met the press in almost 200 days.
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same amount of time he's criticized others for. >> chris wallace interview too. >> i think there are a few things we need to tackle. not the first press conference he's said he's going to have. have to make sure it comes off. supposed to discuss conflicts of interest before and refused to do that. i think general press conference where various issues can be asked but one of the things the american public deserves to know the answer to are conflicts of interest and how he's going to unhangle them. business interests are throughout the world. owes to china, and other things. you see him tweet about china on twitter, you have to wonder if there's conflict of interest. but something else people don't mention enough, simple fact that donald trump lies and lies a lot. that's going to be difficult for journalists and media to handle
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even in press conference. i think kayleigh is right discussing with hilary fact that he handles press conferences and media very well because he simply lies and it's our job to call him out. today in most recent tweet about the national intelligence agencies lied. he simply lied. intelligence agencies had to come out and say there was no intention to meet today. always going to meet friday. >> "new york times" says unclear. >> no that's a lie. >> press handled bill and hillary clinton for more than a decade and not necessarily known for truthfulness. >> and one thing about the interviews, sitting down with leslie stahl, also the new york times, substantive sitdown and lot of good information came out of that. i do agree with hilary it will be a tough news conference as it should be. been quite some time.
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every single topic and more will be on the table but i think will be helpful to reengage with the press and people that ask him questions on a daily basis and put some of this to rest. i think lot of questions out there will be put to rest and behind him once he is able to sit down with the press. >> to lie or not to lie, bakari and kayleigh, interesting conversation. continue on the other side. be right back. your insurance company
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>> i want to get back to the conversation, you said donald trump lies a lot. kaley took issue with that. there was a conversation on "meet the press" calling untrues and the press must call him on his lies. he called it a lie is a lie is a lie. why did you say that bacari? >> it's the truth. if you say something that's not accurate and misleading and intentionally say something you know not to be the case it's a lie. let me explain to you and the viewers what that means. today when donald trump tweets out that the intelligence agencies were supposed to meet with him today and it's somehow so-called just changed and
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sounds so strange to him and we found out that the intelligence agencies actually didn't say they would meet today, they would meet on friday, that is a lie. i mean, this happens repeatedly with donald trump and we have to call it what it is. if that's how he wants to conduct presidency and the press conferences, then so be it. it's the duty for everyone else to open their eyes and as dan rather said, call a lie is a lie is a lie. >> but here -- none of us know what happened the conversation behind the scenes. donald trump was under the impression this was happening tomorrow. i know there was dispute whether it would happen in person or not in person. that sun clear as to those conversation and i think what you said is important. you said a lie is an intent to mislead which is what jara are, d baker said and i was looking up the list of quote trump lies and asked wisconsin there is a 20% unemployment rate and inquiring but classified as a lie. that was not intent to mislead
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but we're quick to label everything a lie when there was not an intent to list lead anyone at all. >> if you're not 100% sure, why -- >> more importantly, you repeated a donald trump lie a number of tiles and i've had to correct you in the fact that donald trump quotes this african american unemployment rate being 52 or 53% when we know that's not the case or the truth. i don't mind calling it a lie. i don't mind telling donald trump to his face that he has a problem with the truth. we can actually and i know that there is going to be a deflection by the right and people will say hillary clinton this or clintons that but the fact of the matter is, donald trump is the president elect of the united states of america and donald trump has a problem with the truth. >> that's not true and how many times has he said he called mexican immigrants rapist. that's an absolute lie if you look at the statement what it was when mexico sends people, the government that to me is a lie. this is the point. we're getting into semantics.
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you can call his statement a lie and i'll call your statement a lie. >> we're not. >> we want to talk about lies, we can't forget barack obama saying if you like your doctor, you can keep it. that's one of many that come to mind when it comes to barack obama. >> listen -- >> it's important -- >> hold on. there are a lot of people and a lot of politicians who say things that they may not live up to or what have you but if donald trump doesn't tell the truth, what's wrong with pointing it out? he is the president elect of the united states? we're not going to go back -- we're talking about hillary clinton and bill clinton. quite frankly, they are fairly irrelevant buzz hillary clinton is not the president elect of the united states. >> that's not the biggest lie, with all due respect that's not the biggest lie when you think about barack obama. donald trump again went on twitter and actually said that he on good sources have proof that barack obama's birth certificate was fake. that is a lie.
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donald trump lied about the president of the united states multiple times. donald trump lies and he lies compulsively. if anybody -- >> i got to -- i got to move on. i've got to move on. i've got to move on. >> point out one quick thing which is we do need to distinguish between political promises and actual statements. >> hilary, i want to ask you this because we were talking about hillary clinton, laura bush, the first ladies will be there and former presidents will be there. it's got to be -- no doubt that hillary clinton is going to show up. she had to. she's a former first lady. her husband was president. she's go to have to sit there at this inauguration. that will be interesting to watch. >> it will be, i think, frankly extremely difficult for hillary clinton. it's -- it would be difficult for any one that lost in a close election with the majority of
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americans voting but lost in key states. she's going to sit there i'm sure hoping the best for the country but, you know, you can't help but fanaticize in that moment what you should be saying if the situation were different. so look i admire, it will be extremely gro extreme extreme extremely gracious for her and president clinton. >> happy new year. that's it for us tonight. tanks for watching. we'll see you right back here tomorrow. only at&t offers you all your live channels and dvr on your devices, data-free. it's entertainment. your way.
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good evening. thanks for joining us. breaking news on president-elect trump's delay in unplugging himself from the family interest. there's new ties to the convicted felon known as joey no socks. a 180 on house gop plans to gut the watchdogs keeping every member of congress, republicans and democrats honest. that and breaking news on russian efforts to med until the election which is where we begin with late word that a new classified report is about to hit and the measures being taken to make sure that donald trump gets the best possible look at it. pamela brown joins us now. what are you learning about this report? >> this is a comprehensive review of the election hacks in roush sha ordered by president obama recently.


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