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i'm don lemon. president-elect apparently trying to limit the power of the intelligence adviser. and shocking crime, four black suspects apparently assaulting a white victim while shouting anti-trump slurs. is it a hate crime? >> inside the mind of mass killer. dylann roof writes i am not sorry. have not shed a tear for the innocent people i killed. should he get the death penalty? >> get to the standoff between donald trump and intelligence agencies. michael weis, chiim, bear. and cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. new reporting about when the
declassified version of the intelligence review on russia's ties to the election hacking will be released. subject of the escalating dispute between donald trump and intelligence community. >> we're learning will be released to the public on monday. few days away. current president briefed on thursday and president-elect on friday. question is what does president-elect trump do with this information? does it allay his own concerns about this and his doubts about the hacking and the intelligence agencies' assessment that russia is behind the hacking. you and i and public will get the first view of the review that president obama ordered of this intelligence. see it on monday. >> if donald trump is not listening to u.s. intelligence, who is he listening to? >> it's a fair question. we don't know.
talked to people inside the intelligence agencies. keep in mind it's not democrat or republican issue right? obama administration says russia is behind the hack but also the republican speaker of the house, majority leader in the senate, other republicans, mccain, graham, et cetera. why is donald trump doubting that assessment, we don't know. but it's been public. and i speak to folks inside many intelligence agencies and they're alarmed and concerned and dismayed by the president-elect questioning their assessment of what they have judged to be the origin of these hacks on the u.s. election. >> ambassador r. james woolsey was on hour before saying politics playing into it bob bayer, do you agree with this? >> exactly. trump doesn't want to justin theroux -- admit the possibility
that russians tipped the election in his favor. and fact that 17 agencies said the russians hacked with intention of helping him, he can't admit that. doesn't see a way around this. he's reacting by turning to credible sources like julian assange or vladimir putin who of course are denying the hacking as they would. frankly in a tough spot. if he admits russians helped him, what does it do to the presidency. >> there was -- he mentioned julian assange. >> bob's sarcasm took me a while to catch it but woke up praises julian assange, no one should have any heroics about him. released the names of military
personnel serving in afghanistan and trump's party says he's enemy of the united states and assange views united states as an enemy, so the theatrics gone from a guy who became president because he was disruptive to essentially a disruptive one. i try to be calm on your show but i don't know the end game here and it is a little bit disconcerting how trump can get agencies to not be undermined as he's doing and support an effort that's not about trump. this is the united states intelligence agencies for you and me. not his. >> drill down on assange with you in a moment but do you know the end game? >> well the president-elect declaring war on his own intelligence services is unprecedented. i joked today who will be the first to release compromising
information on donald trump, fsb, russian security services or cia? you don't go after your own spies. this is commander in chief in charge of a network of personnel spanning hundreds of thousands, many putting their life on the line. and one thing about the assessment, stated with high kfz, cia included that russian government behind the hacking. former director gave interesting interview. said we don't do that unless we know. analogy from skeptics bandied about is just like iraq wmd. donald trump himself said that. excuse me, former cia operative on air. cia never thought saddam hussein was doing that, complete miss conception. this is unprecedented and donald trump siding with australian
anarchist who called informers expendable. didn't care about exposing them. and out to get them, i don't know what assessment you make about this. >> bob is he right with md. >> absolutely right. the cia was asked, assessment, guess. white house asked for guess so trump is wrong. didn't get it wrong. said best guess. i ran iraqi operations and i know what the briefings were. bush administration went in, we're going to war in any case, give us talking points. that's the truth of it. this is not comparable. this is forensics. national security agency, fbi, dhs all come down the russians did it to help trump. that's end of the story and good as intelligence and evidence
ever gets. >> jim so many hot spots all over the world. how dangerous could things get if donald trump continues to be at odds with the intelligence community in the snurt. >> here's the issue. ic comes to him says north korea has a nuke could put on the tip of icbm to hit the coast of the u.s., comes to him with eminent terrorist threat to u.s. homeland? does he accept it? and what does he say when he goes to american public and says ic told me x about this threat but for weeks and weeks i said it's not credible on russian hacking. why do they believe him when he says i need to commit u.s. troops to this problem or get the american population on alert for a threat to the u.s. homeland? why believe him then if for weeks now -- let's be honest, not one day or one week, for
weeks now been undermining his intelligence community. don't know why but he has. i speak to folks inside these agencies that's the concern. that has consequences, can't reel that back in in one week or month or year's time. that has an effect when you publicly undermine your own intelligence agencies. that's the real concern. >> julian, you and everybody on the panel aghast and don't know end game. i don't know how to ask. do you think the president-elect understands how serious this is? severity of undermining the intelligence agency and going to twitter with 140 character diplomacy and intelligence? do you think he understands that in. >> i can't speak for him. his proxies on your show and others and people around him say
he needs to shake things up and asking question. everyone agrees that's legitimate but doing that publicly on twitter, long-term impact on the intelligence community is grave and will affect morale. everybody knows twitter is disruptive. i have teenage kids and get the social dynamics. but he's president-elect and my kids can roll their eyes. he has access to nuclear weapons. there's a difference. i think it's important that the people around him -- and you're starting to see this. pence -- vice president-elect pence not on the gravy train in terms of throwing the ic under the bus and at least some of the people around him understand it. going to make for interesting series of confirmation hearings for those asked directly their assessment of the intelligence. >> this is from george little,
former cia spokesman who says this, let's stare this reality square in the face that potus is pro-putin and believes assange over the cia. on january 20th we will be less safe do you agree. >> that's euphemism for saying united states of america just elected a fifth columnist. that's spook speech for saying i don't trust this man, i think working for foreign government. >> who just sighed and wanted to weigh? >> am i wrong? that's how i read it. >> he worked for leon panetta and cia. but it is not political right? it's no the democrats coming out and saying donald trump is beyond the pale here. it is republicans. speaker of the house, senate majority leader, tom cotton, lindsey graham, john mccain.
this is a thing. we are americans at end of the day. the threat from russia on election, in crimea, in syria, regarding hacking capability, buzzing u.s. aircraft and warships across the world, this is not something that one party says is happening, this is happening. so question is how does the next president of the united states address this threat? and i talked to a lot of folks on both sides, both parties in the agencies who are dismayed at this reaction. >> bob give you last word. spoke about this earlier in the show. is there a risk that at some point the intelligence community starts tailoring the intelligence they present to donald trump to not draw his ire? if so, how dangerous? >> they will rewrite intelligence at top but at the
same time the intelligence community, that's the fbi and cia, trump will regret this going after them. just as nixon did. let's remember watergate was undone by fbi agent. you'll see the same thing. if he wants to fight with the intelligence community for four years, he'll pay for it. >> thank you panel. coming back, young white man apparently assaulted by four black suspects shouting anti-trump slurs. chicago police call it sickening but what is the motive here? ot . hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
18-year-old white man beaten by four black suspects shouting is anti-trump slurs all brought on facebook live. this is disturbing to watch. rosa flores is covering this for us, it's disgusting video out of chicago tonight. tell us the latest. >> reporter: really is disgusting and chicago police believe he was targeted because he has mental health challenges and believe he knows at least one of the suspects and at least initially he was with them willing. but that obviously changed and like don said, we have to warn you, this video is very graphic. >> [ bleep ]. >> watch out fool. >> [ bleep ]. >>
. >> donald trump! >> go. >> pro grade. ugly. >> [ bleep ]. >> reporter: you can tell from the video that the victim is white, the suspects are black and they're speaking with anti-trump type of language as well. obvious question of course don, is this a hate crime? racially motivated? asked the police at this point, still investigating. >> they said they believe the victim knew the attackers. how long was the victim with the offenders?
>> reporter: that's one of the things they're also investigating but believe he was with them for 24 to 48 hours so you still have to wonder exactly what transpired in that time. right now only seeing a small window caught on video. they do say the offenders stole a van from a suburb because this is victim from suburb not chicago and brought him to chicago and initially with them because he knew one of them. obviously changed. >> they're in custody tonight, all four of them right? >> four of them in custody and expecting charges to be filed within 24 hours. and when we see the charngs we'll get a better picture of exactly what transpired here because the charges will tell us a little bit more of what happened or what police believe. >> how old? >> all 18 years old. according to police they know
each other from school. at some point one of these suspects went to the same school as the victim and that's how they know each other. >> who is raising these kids? it's unfathomable. >> it's disturbing. >> just vile and no excuse for it. how is the victim doing tonight rosa? >> you know the police say they can't get into the extent of his injuries don but say he's highly traumatized and even having trouble just talking to the police about what transpired. police say they had trouble just talking to him because so traumatized. >> we hope he's going to be okay. thank for that aufrl story. bring this senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin, it's difficult to watch. immediate reaction? >> we can talk about the legalities but you just have to wonder how can human beings be
so awful. as you said, who raised them? what motivates people to treat a disabled defenseless person like this, this way? and unfortunately in our line of work, we see a lot of evil and this just looks like evil. >> just dumb, stupid, behavior here that's obviously -- i don't know, no home training because no one i know raised by any parent would even dream of doing something like that. my mom would probably beat me worse than that kid. we've been talking to police, say still investigating. won't classify as hate crime. is this a hate crime? >> i don't know. and i don't want to prejudge too much because frankly even the video has so many bleeps that you would need to hear what he said because racial epithets perhaps might have been bleeped and that's something that would be relevant.
not sure everyone knows that racial motivation can be black versus white, white versus black. so possibly a hate crime. everyone should be clear it's illegal under any standard. hate crime laws merely enhance penalties, don't create something that wasn't criminal into being criminal. this is obviously an assault of some kind. it's only a question of how prosecutors would charge it. and they certainly would want to do a full investigation, talking to any witnesses who might be listening to the tape without the bleeps, all of that would have to be involved in a measured decision about what precise crimes to charge. >> i watched unedited unblurred version and they use the n word but kids i see are black kids using n word and do hear some of them -- by the way can't help
feel sorry for the victim being choked and hit and just looks awful but hear some of the offenders shouting f trump, f white people. do you think it's politically motivated crime or skruft stupid kids? >> you know, i'm going to say the three words you're never allowed to say on cable news which are "i don't know." what goes into the heads of people who are doing something like this? i can't fathom it. and whether you can say it was political, racial, i don't know, that's why you have to do a full investigation of the whole circumstances surrounding this event. i just really don't know how to characterize at this stage what the motivations here. is racial animus, hostility?
certainly a possibility and would have to consider it. >> fact they would put it live on facebook which is why many people don't put credence into social media because these are sadly the type of people you get responses from, who think it's okay. i wonder if because you can do that anonymously, that people feel free to put this on social media, beyond the norm of anything. >> but just how stupid, to put yourself committing a crime on social media, just -- master criminals these people were not. but i mean, in a way i'm grateful that they did put it on social media because now their definitely caught. if there hadn't been social media, who knows how this investigate might have gone. perversities are many in this story, but it certainly seems
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hate crime because chicago police won't say it. still investigating it. not done with their investigation. but when you look at this symone, saying f white people, f trump. how can you say it's not a hate crime? >> first say it's sickening. it's unfathomable that so much hate and anger can fill up a person to go out and think it's okay. and stupid to do it on facebook live. that's another story. but say something not popular. can't callously call things hate crime. is this hate for donald trump or pure hate of white people? that matters. if we start going around and anytime someone says or does something eagreeingous or bad in
weks the president-elect or even president obama because of political leanings, that's slippery territory. the hate crimes are race, and gender and sexual orientation and -- >> but aren't all hate crimes motivated by stupidity? >> a lot of things. stupidity, heartlessness, so many things. i agree with symone, sickening thing but not to get too far ahead of the legalities here, based on what we heard sounds like hate crime. language of referring to the person as white person. and i hope it's classified as that, therefore the penalty will
be greater and they deserve the harshe harshest they can get. i'm with you don, fear with a my parents would do to mow more than the law. >> you look at 18-year-old kids, what is going on? what on earth -- why would anybody ever think it was okay to treat another person like that for any reason. regardless if disabled person, mentally or physically incapacitated or white or black person, whatever, why on earth, matt i just don't understand it. >> it's man's inhumanity to man. it's brutality is what it is. fact that this is a vulnerable person who was probably duped into going along with them it appears, somebody who was mentally disabled makes it even more sickening but at end of the day, you just try to wrap your head around evil. that's what this is, evil,
brutality, man's inhumanity to man -- >> i don't think it's evil. i think these are young people and they have bad home training. i think -- and i say who is raising them, i have no idea because no one i know on earth who is 17 years old or 70 years old would ever think of treating another person like that. it's inhumane and you wonder at 18 years old, where is the parent or guardian? >> did you all forget did. >> let peter answer and then bring you in. >> i don't know. this isn't -- epidemic of violence in american society, robert kennedy spoke eloquently decades ago. this is horrific example, sickening disgusting example of a kind of senseless violence that exists throughout american society. look at number of people
murdered every year in the united states compared to other societies around the world. this is one particularly grotesque example of casual violence we just take for branted in the united states. >> symone? >> i just want to remind folks we can't sit here and ignore that for at least last year on public display worst parts of america have been brought from the fringe into the mainstream, affects people on both sides. talked about white nationalists and skprem sifts and kkk but when inflammatory rhetoric is out there and someone telling you community is the worst of the worst, brings out worst in people. not defending it. sickening. i would argue also need help in addition to consequences but
this just didn't come out of thin air. some of the nastiest and worst things drug into the mainstream. >> these young people probably never watch the news. >> i don't think that's fair you have to give young people more credit. >> no idea of the political process. just saying that's my point of view. i don't think they really understand -- if they don't understand the ramifications of tying someone up and beating them and putting it on facebook live, then they certainly don't understand the ramifications of a presidential election. >> i don't think this is about a presidential election. i think this is symptomatic of what we're seeing across the country with the breakdown of the american family. unfortunate, heartbreaking and tragic and we'll find out motives as this unwinds and find out more of it. disgusting language they use and girl in the video is laughing about it and egging friends on. for them not to have moral
fortitude to realize this is wrong, something is going wrong it appears at home and for them to think this is okay, we've got a lot of teaching to do with our children. and think as i said it stems from the breakdown of the american family. >> symone, i'm being too hard? >> hesitant to cast young people as broken homes. for all i know they have mother and father with good hart working jobs and tried to instill moral values and just not listening. one need more facts and we have to be careful to cast our young people, particularly of color, to the side. this is wrong, grotesque and need to be punished and taught but have elevated conversation about the things around the young people. may not watch the news but on twitter with the president-elect is, on facebook, listening to
breakfast club and radio and all the nasty things we've talked about and witnessed over the last year have seeped into our children, in our schools and coming to bear its ugly head in egregious ways. >> she's saying, not making excuses but saying this didn't just happen in a vacuum. >> well look, i think it's -- i mean it's fair to have a conversation about our culture. i think whether it's video games or violent movies, those things, music, whatever, i'm not a prude but those have all impact. i'm a little bit concerned though about the way this conversation is going right now. think if this was a different situation, if you had white teens tortured and brutalized african-american young man and talked about obama and been laughing, i don't think would be having a conversation about how our political discourse is so
toxic. maybe these kids saw things on twitter about obama. so -- >> he's talking to you symone. >> i would say that's true. relationship of black people to america is very different than the relationship of white people to america. we're talking about years -- 200 plus of slavery, 87 plus of jim crow. knot i'm not making excuses but it is not exact same thing. we have to talk about these at elevated levels and can't boil it down to someone saying something disparaging about the first black president of america when the current president-elect questioned his authenticity as american, that had layers to it. >> i just think in context, having watched video and second thing you bring up is inject, well maybe -- impression i'm getting from you, correct me if
i'm wrong, maybe they were asking for this -- donald trump -- >> clear this up. never said asking for it. first thing i said sickening but i did say we don't know if it's hate crime. that is very important. >> and peter sitting here absorbing this. >> it's so disturbing that i have difficulty having a conversation about it. i think two completely different conversations. conversation about the horror of what these kids did, a horror period. end of conversation. there's a totally different conversation about where we're heading as society where we're becoming more racially divided than we were even a few years ago which is tragic and yes, donald trump bears some of the blame for that in a way that another republican candidate or president wouldn't because of some of the frankly racist things that he's done.
that has nothing to do however with in any way mitigating the horror of what this event was. >> that's going to have to be the last word. out of time. coming back, dramatic day in court as dylann roof faces a jury deciding whether or not he gets death penalty. t. especially for people with heart failure. but today there's entresto... a breakthrough medicine that can help make more tomorrows possible. tomorrow, i want to see teddy bait his first hook. in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto was proven to help more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. if you've had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, don't take entresto. the most serious side effects are angioedema,
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convicted charleston church shooter dylann roof presents his case as jurors decide whether to give the death penalty. charges for june 2015 massacre at church that left people dead. mattie is in charleston, dylann roof addressed the jurors. tell us what happened? >> one of the most remarkable days i've spent inside of a courtroom and that says a lot covering all the trials i have. what made it so, a convicted mass murderer at this point, a self-acclaimed white supremist, who is standing up in front of the courtroom and talking to the same jurors who had convicted him who now are considering whether or not to put him to death. and in -- listening in that
courtroom are several survivors of that horrific attack and many family members who lost loved ones in that attack. then the prosecution stands up and says if ever there is way person that deserved to die, it is dylann roof, ever a perfect case for the death penalty, it is this case. then drop a bombshell by saying while in jail, six weeks after the shooting, dylann roof if you thought had a change of heart, keeping what was then a secret jailhouse diary and written in his own words, i do not regret what i did, i am not sorry, i have no shed a tear for the innocent people that i killed. all of that and dylann roof speaks, walks to podium and faces jury. doesn't express remorse or ask for mercy. says i'm not crazy. despite what you may have heard,
no mental deficiency or illness. over in 90 seconds, what he had to say, then he sat down. remarkable day and it's day one. >> and what is remarkable, he's been adamant on representing himself in the sentencing phase with the defense team staying on as legal advisers, how has this part gone? >> this is another weird part of this. two very acclaimed members of his team but in essence now standby attorneys. not allowed to question anybody in the courtroom, not allowed to talk directly to the judge. dylann roof is his defense attorney. now they can talk to him and he can talk to them if he wants to, but he's already made it pretty clear he doesn't really like them, feels deceived by them because they brought up mental defense and he can't stand that
as possibility. he feels betrayed by them. >> interesting. not surprising that some people -- i understand that three people walked out while roof was speaking. who were they and why? >> all people in the u.s. attorney's office, section. family members or very close friends or you know it's hard to tell exactly, three people brushed by very quickly. all women. and they all were obviously disgusted, just to hear dylann roof as he began to speak to the jurors and one of them said quote, this is just crap, as she went out. there were other emotions skpresd. saw people openly sobbing as the prosecution went through talking about the victims. some doubled over in grief and others had to come to their aid. just such an emotionally packed day and still have many more to
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convicted charleston church shooter dylann roof said there was nothing wrong with me psychologically. here to discuss that is javier. what did you make of that? >> he is not representing himself, but a delusion that i talked about on your program before. he has this delusion that the black race is inferior and like a soldier he is out there to defend the white race and begin a race war. what he described was in no way a case. it was in no way relevant to a death penalty phase. it was about i'm not sick and i'm not mentally ill and my lawyers are wrong and what the prosecution present side not a surprise. >> the most likely diagnose is
skits frensia. i say that without being certain, but i am certain he has pair noise delusions. he developed racists and this fight for the white race in a matter of hours. not over years. if you look at expert who is study these terrorists and they are much colder than dylann roof. we are talking in their 50s, 60s, and 70s and associate with other white supremacists. that's not the picture here. in fact, i don't think anyone has commented on this yet. not one prosecution witness was an expert on white supremacy. nobody got on that stand and said we profiled dylann roof and he is a classic white supremacist. the prosecutors are saying that, but nobody who was profiled was saying that. >> you heard of suicide by cop.
>> of course. people have done that. >> people want to go out in a blaze of glory. people said he was suicide by trial. looking for the death penalty. >> they are trying to read something rational into something irrational. this is weird and remarkable. for me this is common place with someone with a serious mental illness who has no clue he is mentally ill. he is intelligent. he is not in treatment and not expressing remorse. would a soldier express remorse for killing an enemy? it places him at war, a life or death struggle. he killed the enemy. this is a horrible tragic crime and i in no way want to diminish or excuse it, but we need to understand these things to stop them from happening again. >> you believe he is racist. >> of course he is racist.
as a consequence of delusion. >> he can be racist and also -- >> two kinds of racism here. he is racist as a human being or you give him anti-psychotic medication and he is no longer racist. i worked in the jared loughner case. he shot and killed six people. he developed genuine, true, deep remorse after the horrific -- what did the prosecution say? he planned it and had months of planning and has no remorse. he killed people because of the color of their skin. jared loughner had his reasons or months of planning. same scenario, but he got treatment and was found incompetent and had remorse. >> he wrote a journal. let's talk about this. in it, he said i do not regret what i did. i am not sorry. i have not shed a tear for the people i killed. i feel sorry for the innocent
white people killed daily at the hands of the lower races. i feel pity that i had to do with i did. i had to give up my life because of a situation that should never have existed. besides that, what do you make of this? >> again in the consuccess of the behavior i have seen, the observations of him in court and the flat affect and firing his attorneys, and the delusion i uncovered, four hours of interrogation i watched. he is delusional. the classic age at the on set of mental illness. of course he did not shed a tear. would you shed a tear if you shot a terrorist that was about to set off a bomb here in new york city. i wouldn't.
i would shoot them and stop them. if you in his behind, what do we know about him? his attorneys had him evaluated. he had to encure two evaluations. he has a mendal illness. if you look at what you read through the lens of paranoid psychosis or schizophrenia. of course he is not shedding a tear. he is sick. if he was treated, he may not be treated. >> from innocent people, you should feel remorse. you should not feel remorse. >> i work with iraqi veterans. the one in particular who shot and killed a family running through a roadblock. they had three warnings. he followed the rules and killed innocent people. he felt terrible about it, but not as terrible as if he had
done something truly, truly wrong. he was vindicated and not court-martial court-martialed. it was a horrific accident. >> is he wanting to start a race war? he was a racist and that was his motivation. >> i would love to see witnesses saying he is a racist and not associated with anybody. how is he triggering a race war? >> i appreciate that. that's it for us. see you back here tomorrow. join directv today starting at $35/month. no extra monthly fees. ♪ i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals
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