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these are young folks who committed an act of hate against another individual regardless of their skin tone and regardless of who they are or what background they come from. listen, i come from the same places that these folks come from, the southwest side of chicago. this is not a reflection of what good african-americans, young african-americans are doing on the south and west side and what folks like black lives matter or blue lives matter are doing to bring peace. so let's talk in peaceful terms and let's resolve this in a way that we can make, not just the city of chicago stronger, but the country stronger? >> dimitri, harry, one thing is for sure. when bad things happen, people use them to politicize and advance agendas. i'll tell you a great step of progress is the way you two gentlemen discussed it right here on "new day." thank you for your ideas and the way you discussed it. >> thanks, chris. a lot of news for you this morning. let's get right to it. >> our source is not the russian
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government. >> don't listen to him. listen to the american intelligence community. >> the president-elect expressed his skepticism about intelligence conclusions. >> somebody needs to march into his office and explain who julian assange is. >> the american people voted to repeal and replace obamacare. >> president obama urging democrats not to help republicans. >> they will have shown us by the repeal that they're uninterested in our input. >> the republican plan to cut health care would make america sick again. >> we understand that health care is crucial to every american. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." up first, president-elect trump has a new enemy, the u.s. intelligence community. trump continues to publicly antagonize the intel community despite the conclusion of 17 agencies that russia was behind the hacking during the u.s.
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election. trump instead siding with known mall factor julian assange, a man he once said should be put to death for what he does. >> one hour from now, top intelligence chiefs will head to capitol hill to testify about the alleged russian hacking. all this as we learn the president-elect wants to overhaul the nation's top spy agency. we're 15 days away from inauguration day. let's begin coverage with cnn's jason carroll live outside trump tower. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. what's so troubling to so many in the intelligence community, what the president-elect is doing is he's drawing a conclusion about the evidence before he's actually been presented with the evidence, all this as trump plans to restructure one of the country's top intelligence agencies. >> president-elect donald trump is looking to make major changes to the u.s. intelligence community. sources close to the transition say trump is working on a plan
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to limit the power of the director of national intelligence. the source claiming trump's team believes the director gets in the way of the 16 intelligence agencies it represents, including the cia. trump also wants to expand the cia's human spying capabilities by getting more people out of headquarters and into the field. the source citing criticism that the spy agency has been too reliant on electronic spying and the nsa signals intelligence under president obama. all this coming hours after trump publicly sided with wikileak founders julian assange. saying why was dnc so careless? also said russians did not give him the info. >> our source is not the russian government. >> reporter: but 17 u.s. intelligence agencies have concluded that russia was behind the electronic cyber attacks?
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trump's tweet about assange creating upheaval in trump eeps own party. >> i think the guy is a sick vent for russia. he leaks and steals data and compromises national security. >> for heaven's sakes, don't listen to him. listen to the american intelligence community who are patriots. >> assange is not a good guy, not an ally or friend to the united states of america. >> reporter: trump did not feel the same way about assange back in 2010 when his website released thousands of classified military documents. >> you think it's disgraceful. >> there should be a death penalty. >> the president-elect's twitter criticism has many on edge, one official saying we're heading into this different era where it's hostile. trump's team defended his continued conspiratorial tone. >> i think given some of the intelligence failures of recent years, the president-elect has made it clear to the american people that he's skeptical about
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conclusions. >> reporter: chris, the focus now, the findings on those cyber attacks. president obama expected to receive his briefing today. trump will get his briefing shortly after that. that's expected to be on friday. chris? >> jason, thanks a lot. another big battle going on right now is over the future of the aca, also known as obamacare. republicans ready to repeal the president's health care law even though they don't have a plan to replace it. cnn's phil mattingly live on capitol hill with more. donald trump tweeting a lot about that this morning, calling chuck schumer, the lead democrat, a clown. >> reporter: it appears republicans were focused on messaging, got the message to the president-elect. an interesting component when we saw two big leaders coming to capitol hill yesterday. the issue wasn't policy. it was all about pr. >> the american people voted for change in november.
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>> reporter: just two days into the new congress, the battle lines are drawn. >> the first order of business is to repeal and replace obamacare. >> reporter: vice president elect mike pence rallying republicans to repeal the affordable care act, all as president obama huddles with democrats looking to save his signature domestic achievement. his advice to those lawmakers -- >> look out for the american people. >> reporter: sources say they're encouraging them not to rescue republicans. the president labeling the half-baked plan trumpcare. while republicans aren't united on how to replace obamacare, pence and donald trump, saying dems own the failed obamacare disaster. >> all the promises of obamacare have been shown to be false and
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broken promises. >> senate republicans already scoring a procedural win in the fight, clearing 51 votes in favor of a budget resolution that would clear the way towards repealing large swaths of the law. >> we want to make sure that as we give relief to people in bake, we don't pull the rug out from anybody. we have a plan to replace it. >> reporter: democrats are digging in. >> the republicans say repeal and replace. the only thing that has going for it is alliteration. they have no replacement plan. is to repeal and then delay is an act of cowardice. >> the republican plan to cut health care wouldn't make america great again. it would make america sick again and lead to chaos instead of affordable care. >> alisyn, as chris mentioned, it appears the new democratic tag line has caught the attention of the president-elect tweeting a couple of things this
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morning, one attacking schumer, but also saying while the affordable care act is disaster, democrats and republicans should work together on fixing it or a replacement. what we've seen over the first two full days of congress, that's not going to happen any time soon. >> let's discuss it now. california republican congressman darrell issa is a member of the house foreign affairs and judiciary committees. good morning, congressman? >> good morning, alisyn. >> let's start with what's going on with the intelligence community. the team says mr. trump is looking to limit the power of the director of national intelligence. that is the agency created after 9/11 to help streamline the intelligence that used to be siloed. mr. trump apparently feels the dni is an impediment to intelligence gathering. do you agree with that? >> i do, and i do for a reason that i think is the pure bureaucracy of the dn. i. i was on the select
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intelligence committee when we made those decisions, when we formed it and when we limited its power congressionally. former congressman pete hoekstra was the chairman. it was very clear at the time of the enactment that it was supposed to be a imt willed coordination body. it was never intended to have more than a couple of hundred total employees. it was all about the siloing. in other words, they were going to look at 16 agencies and see if there were things being missed, falling between the cracks. instead, within a matter of years -- actually months, they started trying to usurp the cia station chiefs around the world. and it's been a fight ever since. >> what do you think about the intelligence agencies? do you doubt their findings about russian hacking? >> well, i haven't been read in by each of those agencies, so i want to be caveat with that. but what i do think is important is that you need to hear from the cia with their conclusion, and if they have more than one opinion, you need to hear the
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factors for and against. >> you don't think you've heard enough. you don't think in terms of the two reports they put out where they say they found digital fingerprints that point to russia, that's not been enough for you yet? >> well, you haven't been read into this either. so i think the important thing is that i believe that the patriots that work for our intelligence organizations including the nsa -- remember, the cia generally is not the one that would look at those footprints. it would be the nsa. when they reach a conclusion, and they read people into how they reach the conclusion, how they discovered if it was, for example, a military installation or government installation in a foreign country is important. the president needs to have that briefing with the details, but i think back to your first question, those 16 agencies need to be able to agree to disagree. stove-piping is one thing, but disagreement is exactly what you
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want to have if you're going to make a major decision on the conclusion that right now with the dni is often what we call group think. this is bipartisan. you talk to the committee members in the house and senate, you'll find they have problems with the dni and would like to see reformed. >> it doesn't sound in terms of the russian hacking as though those agencies are disagreeing. let me read what mr. trump has tweeted in connection with this. he said first, the intelligence briefing, he put in quotation marks, on so-called russian hacking, in i don'tation marks as well, was delayed until friday. perhaps more time needed to build a case. very strange. he then tweeted about julian assange. he said a 14-year-old could have hacked podesta. also said russians did not give him the info. do you think julian assange has as much credibility as our
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intelligence agencies? >> i think the 14-year-old could have hacked, when you look at the particulars of how it happened. in other words, podesta received an e-mail which was called a phishing e-mail. he asked if it was legitimate before responding. he was told by an it person it was when, in fact, it simply caused him to give away his password. >> my question is do you put as much stock in what julian assange is saying as our intelligence agencies? >> alisyn, it's important to understand, that type of so-called hacking doesn't take a sophisticated country. it happens every day. you probably have received an e-mail that, if you responded, you could be compromising your owners mail account. >> sure. but i don't know that all of them have ser ril la keyboards which has been released by the intel agencies as one of the clues. >> i'm not questioning the clues. let's remember, it's all about the specifics of who was it, who coordinated it. and i certainly think that you want to build the case that it
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was high levels of russian government that made this decision and for what purpose if that's the case. i think we have a policy which is one president at a time. i think donald trump's skepticism will appropriately come to a conclusion, one way or the other, after he's the president of the united states. i think that's appropriate. >> i'm looking for your opinion. do you put as much stock in julian assange as you do our intel agencies? >> you know, he's a terrible, terrible human being, but usually what happens is you ask why would he lie in that process? that's important to consider. one other thing about those 16 or 17, if you prefer, agencies, some of them have no opinion about ruks hacking. some of them don't deal in that sort of information. so when people say 17 all agree. 17 don't really have a seat at the table in some cases. that's important to understand. it's actually a few individuals who are looking at specific
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information, and i will tell you from what i've heard and seen, it does seem to point back to russia. but i think we all want to make sure we find out where it points and to whom, not just to what country. >> so very quickly, tomorrow, when mr. trump meets with the heads of the intel agencies and they lay out their case, then what? what's going to happen if they make a compelling case that it was russia? >> i've met with the president-elect more than a couple of times, and what i find is he asks great questions and he demands answers. if they have the answers to his questions tomorrow, i suspect the president-elect will come out with a view that is consistent with what -- how those questions are answered. that might very well change a portion or all of what he's been saying. >> congressman darrell issa, thank you very much. great to get to talk to you this morning. we have a quick programming note. house speaker paul ryan will take part in a cnn town hall hosted by jake tapper next
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thursday, january 12th, 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. another dramatic day in court for convicted charleston murderer dylann roof. roof saying he is not mentally ill. prosecutors pitting their case on roof's jailhouse journal where he writes, i'm not sorry, i have not shed a tear for the innocent people i killed. roof was convicted of killing nine people inside a south carolina church. the jury is deciding whether or not to kill him. here is an important story for parents that may contradict everything you've heard before, new guidelines just released by the nih may help prevent life-threatening peanut allergies. the guidelines say parents should introduce peanuts into an infant's diet early on rather than later as we have been told in order to reduce the risk of developing an allergy. that is a breakthrew. you weren't supposed to give kids nut products, maybe longer,
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in case they were al hear jik. >> that's new thinking. remember when we were growing up? i don't remember any nut allergies in school. back in the old days, we didn't have any allergies. you got sick, you died and you liked it. >> maybe exposure. sounds like they're saying exposure may be a prophylactic. >> that's back to wives tale times of what you should be eating when they're pregnant. parents will be very on edge about this, because you're taught to be so afraid of what happens if your kid has an anaphylactic reaction. anyway, what do you think? tweet alisyn? president-elect donald trump taking on the u.s. intelligence community, even siding with wikileaks founder julian assange on russia. trump once acknowledged that assange should get the death penalty for what he does. we'll talk with a democratic congressman who sits on the intel committee next. what does he know?
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they're on edge because donald trump keeps antagonizing them and is apparently aligning with julian assange. trump tweeted, jng said a 14-year-old could have hacked podesta. why was dnc so careless? also said russians did not give him the info. joining us, the folks are put in a tough position of maybe voicing an opinion that goes against the president-elect's predilections. you are on the intel committee. how shocked would you be if today, at the mccain hearing or tomorrow when they meet with the president intel officials told anyone that we're not sure that russia is one of the motivators
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of these hacks? >> that's never going to happen because the intelligence community has a level of certainty about this that you rarely see of them on significant conclusions. you hear former colleagues like mike, mike pence tie themselves in knots or darrell issa saying they put more faith in an accused sex offender than their own intelligence agencies. it's embarrassing to be honest with you. this is not healthy skepticism as they would like to portray it. this is very unhealthy, essentially avoidance of the facts. >> i want to be clear about this. are your sure when the officials go to the committee hearing today or talk to the president-elect tomorrow, that they will say with confidence that they can prove that russia was motivating these hacks? >> absolutely.
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>> i think people need to understand this is not a situation where the president-elect hasn't been briefed on this. it's not as if he's going to get some new revelation where they sit down and get a more comprehensive briefing. he has been briefed. he knows better. it's at odds with his own preferred version of events and he will not accept it. i will be astonished, also, if we have a very different donald trump after friday. he has put so much stock in this antagonism to the conclusion that russia was behind this, and i think it goes back to a very simple thing. it's not unrelated to julian assange. that is during the campaign, wikileaks was helpful to him, assange was helpful to him. during the campaign the russian hacks were helpful to him, and donald trump does not bite the hand that feeds him. you're with him or against him. if you're with him, it doesn't matter if you're an accused sex
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offender holding up in the embassy in ecuador. >> granting that donald trump may have a problem surrendering the me to the we when it comes to taking on his role as the leader of all of us in earnest, how much of this goes back to the politicizing of this by the administration? they knew this information about russia early on. they're blaming us in the media for not paying attention to what happened with clapper in early october. that's not really fair. they could have been singing at the top of their lungs about this and they didn't. the white house made calculations to leave it alone and there's lots of spin game going on there why they did it. you've been critical of that move. why? >> because i do think the administration could have come out earlier and much more forcefully about this. this was a four-nation meddling in our political affairs. they didn't want to be seen as intervening on secretary clinton's behalf. but nonetheless, i felt there was an obligation to level with the american people in as
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thorough a way as you can about a foreign country trying to interfere in our affairs and take the heat that goes with it. that's why senator feinstein and i took the extraordinary step before the intelligence committee, before the community of going public with the russian interference in our affairs. i think that was a mistake, but nonetheless, that doesn't led russia off the hook. it doesn't let republicans off the hook. all americans ought to be concerned about this meddling and whether the reaction was too early or too late, we still need to do more about this, and i think they'll there bipartisan support for a strong sanctions package against russia. >> speaking of bipartisan support, do you agree with the president of the united states that you democrats should not be anxious to help republicans change the aca? >> i do agree with him because i think the aca has meant millions and millions of people in america have gotten health care that wouldn't have it otherwise. we should not be a party to
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basically throwing people off their health insurance. this is a matter of life and death for many americans. what i find fascinating is here during the campaign, donald trump said he had a plan to replace obama care and that it was going to be great and it was going to be better health care at lower prices. he gave us all the details in two words. he said "believe me." now all of a sudden he wants democrats and republicans to come up with a plan revealing that he never had a plan for that. >> politicians abuse the truth sometimes. the promise during the salesmanship of the aca was you get to keep your doctor, that rates were going to go down for everybody, health care would become cheaperment for at least 1.7 million people in this country, it's not true. i know the extent of the rate rise has been exaggerated, but it's still real on a level. people need things to be fixed within the aca. many of you democrats acknowledge that as well. so are you going too far by not working with the gop because you know the law needs to be fixed and you're probably going to be
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able to keep much of what you like? >> chris, you're absolutely right. there are problems in the aca. for years many of us in the democratic party have been advocating making changes to address exactly the things you're mentioning. we found no interest among the gop because they didn't want to improve it, didn't want to repair it. >> you've got interest now, because, as you said, they don't have a plan. they want to keep the main features of it, that people like, whether it's letting your kids stay in or lifetime caps or no preconditions. those are your main things, and then it comes down to the mandate and how you pay for a lot of these things. why not be involved in that process and try to keep ownership of the signature treatment of obama rather than making sure you're divorced from it? >> we will be involved. as the president said, we should extend our hand if the republicans and the president-elect want to work with us. absolutely. here is where the rubber hits the road, chris. it's very simple.
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that is the president-elect says that he wants to make sure people with pre-existing conditions can still get health care. well, that runs into all of the other republican priorities which means republicans can't eliminate the mandate because otherwise you buy a policy when you get sick and not before, and that doesn't work. it means that you can't eliminate, also, all of the subsidies or you'll throw millions of people off their health insurance. what the republicans say they want is mutually incompatible, and they will not be able to overcome that very basic conflict with, if they're going to cover people with pre-existing conditions, there's going to have to be a broad mandate. i don't see that as something that can be the subject of some kind of compromise without lots of people losing their health insurance. but if they want to work on improving this, i'm all for it. we will work with them. if they want to work on throwing it all out and say come bail us out, come rescue us from ourselves, we're not interested in that.
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>> adam schiff, thank you very much. we'll be staying on this topic. appreciate you being on "new day" as always. quick programming note, we'll have a special prime time down hall with former democratic presidential candidate and vermont senator bernie sanders. he has taken on a leadership position within the democratic party. he's going to speak to people like you about what the democrats are going to do, how obstinate will they be when it comes to obamacare. what are they about? join us next monday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. alisyn? former democratic vp nominee tim kaine calling out the president-elect right here on new day for doubting u.s. intelligence and putting more stock in julian assange. we've got the bottom line on that and more next. tech: don't let a cracked windshield ruin your plans.
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tim kaine ripping into president-elect donald trump over his response to the alleged russian hacking. >> there is something very unusual, even indeed sort of suspicious about the degree to which he casually kicks aside the intelligence community when
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he won't even go to the briefings and again and again takes the assange-vladimir putin line on this important question. >> let's get the bottom line. cnn political director david chalian. you hear democrats starting to say there's something suspicious. we've heard that a couple of times this morning as though mr. trump really knows what's behind it but isn't talking about it. so what happens today when the intel chiefs go to congress and testify and then there really is some meat on the bones? >> right. the thing here you have to remember is tim kaine has some allies across the aisle, like john mccain and lindsey graham who help bolster his case in questioning why donald trump has not accepted in full the notion that russia was involved with the hack. bringing it into question, doesn't seem to just be a partisan attack. clearly, tim kaine is trying to make some political hay with it.
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>> let's talk about something that seems less opaque. let's be honest, this isn't about people not knowing what the intel community thinks. many people have been briefed and heard what the intel community has and are convinced by it. we'll see what happens today. trump just tweeted. the dishonest media likes saying i'm in agreement with julian assange. wrong. i simply state what he states. it is for the people, and i guess he's going to go on to say -- to decide. is this as transparent as it is to me? does he really think that you put out a tweet saying what julian assange says, put out a tweet putting intelligence in quotes and maybe they need more time in the intel community. does anybody think he's trying to be a fair broker of information? >> no. let's not get into whether or not he's agreeing with assange. what he did, the fact of the matter is he used julian
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assange's words to bolster his case for calling into question what these 17 intelligence agencies have already concluded, that russia was the actor here. so whether or not he agrees with it, he can play semantics and word games with that and blame the media and distract. the fact of the matter is, he's using assange who has put national security at risk and is using him as a validater. that in and of itself should be a question for the president-elect. >> so maybe that will come up tomorrow when he finally meets with the intel chiefs in the long-awaited briefing and meeting. what is going to happen, david, after this? you know as well as we do that mr. trump is often colored and impressed by people that he meets with, and they often are colored and impressed after meeting with him. so what's it going to sound like after this rift has been so public? >> to try and guess how donald
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trump is going to play this is a fool's error. reading the tea leaves, this is what i think trump is setting up. what we've seen overall throughout this whole thing is he's refused to decouple the notion that the hack may have called into his victory, his election victory as illegitimate. he can't decouple that from the fact that the hack happened from a foreign actor. i have a feeling that maybe he will begin to decouple that. there's a path here, if you listen, he has stopped with, well, it could have been a 400-pound guy in a bed. i think he's gotten away from ruling out entirely that russia may have involved. he could have come out and say he certainly believes that's the conclusion of the intelligence community. the one thing we know about donald trump is, he's not going to admit, hey, guys, i got it completely wrong, and reverse. that's not going to happen. we know from him he wants to move on from this issue. i think the win for trump tomorrow is to emerge, coming
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out with some acknowledgment, but holding the line that it's still the right thing to do to poke and prod and question intelligence. >> some people say they wish he didn't tweet so much. i'm happy he tweets. it lets you know what's going on inside our leader's head. there's no question he has a problem surrendering the me to the we. that's not just about him. we're seeing that on the democr democrat's side, too. but president obama going to his people and saying don't work with them, let them do it, don't help them out of their own problem. where is progress going to come from? >> this is a place where now donald trump, back to the tweets that you're saying, is trying to get that upper hand, calling for bipartisan work that democrats and republicans should come together -- >> he called schumer a clown. that's not exactly asking for bipartisan support. >> that is true. he did go on to say democrats and republicans should work together on the fix here. he's trying to get some buy-in
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that everybody needs to work on the fix here in an attempt to paint schumer and what he said and president obama as just purely partisan obstructionists here. listen, the replace factor here is that this is going to be a long road. you guys know this. nothing is going to really change in 17 or '18. they're going to take all year or at least half this year to hammer out an actual proposal for what will replace obamacare in years to come. i think what donald trump is most concerned about is that the rug is not pulled out from underneath the people that already have it. it's concerned about backlash from his own voters who benefit from obamacare. >> one point of clarification. we heard senator tim kaine when he was on our program just a few minutes ago, he said we are mischaracterizing what the president said. he didn't say don't help them fix it. he said, if they repeal it, then you don't help them. right now, be as helpful as you
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can. if everybody wants to fix it and come together in bipartisan kumbaya, do it. if they repeal it, all bets are off. >> repeal could be just a word. it's about what parts they defund. repeal is what they promised. >> that's right. there's a little more nuance they're claiming. anyway, thanks, david. >> thanks guys. imagine charging your cell phone, going from zero to 100% in just five minutes. this is one of the gadgets lighting up the consumer electronics show in las vegas. we will take you there live next. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. and if you have more than one liberty mutual policy, you qualify for a multi-policy discount, saving you money on your car and home coverage. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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people have been known to see marriages in the desert, but in las vegas right now, they are seeing glimpse of the future, robots, drones, self driving cars. they are all the buzz at the ces, consumer electronics show. cnn's samuel burke live in las vegas with more. >> i didn't know. congratulations. named chris. >> chris and alisyn, before you sent congratulations. my fathering skill is by using this that has microphones all around it. i'll come back in a second while the crib does it thing.
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you were talking about smart charging before we went to the break. there's an israeli company, a small company with a big representation at this tech show, that will charge your phone from zero to 100% in just five minutes. it's at 9%. this technology could be in phones by the end of the year. i've got to talk to you guys about the trump tech phenomenon i'm seeing here at the consumer electronics show. you guys were talking about the tweets he sent out about assange. we are three hours behind you guys. a lot of these companies come from california. they tell us they're excited about the prospect of donald trump rolling back regulations on their company, but waking up at 3:00 a.m., some of the tech companies, just in case trump is tweeting about what their companies and the stock plunges. we have people who have set up twitter for the first time using it to get the alerts. the trump phenomenon, they see both sides of the coin. here we have this crib. it has microphones all around it -- when it hears the baby is
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making america great again requires more than 140 characters per issue. with all due respect, america cannot afford a twitter presidency. >> that is the senate democratic leader chuck schumer who president-elect trump just called a clown in a tweet on the dangers of a twitter presidency under donald trump. from all indications, trump's communication style is going to continue in the oval office. i will submit that that's a good thing. let's talk about it with cnn senior reporter for media and politics, dillon buyers and cnn media annist and author for "the war for bill carter." let's look at some of his most recent tweets. the dishonest media likes to sigh i'm in agreement with
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julian assange. wrong. it's up to the people to -- why i like this is because you are getting to see what the president-elect is thinking in realtime and the trouble he is making for himself because this isry doik laos, what he's saying. >> it's in direct contradiction of what he just said, too. this is pretty much a pattern, too. you see him say something one day and then he gets sort of called on it. he says, i didn't say that, the media says i said that. there's evidence he did say it. you can't really say the media made up his tweets. he did actually do this himself. >> right. dylan, therein lies the problem. it's up to us to receipt the tweet leaves as i've been saying. it's difficult because they are contradictsry. this is why a press conference or sit-down interview would help because we would really know how he feels. in the meantime we try to figure out from 140 characters what he
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means. it is a real bind for journalists. >> it's an immense bind. we'll get that long-awaited press conference on january 11th. every time he sends out a tweet, it sends pretty much the entire media chasing after what he might mean, trying to clean some indication of some sort of policy proposal that may exist once he enters the white house, some sort of strategic effort. we might be thinking about it the wrong way. in fact, david brooks of "the new york times" wrote an interesting column called the snap chat presidency. it's effectively the same idea as the twitter presidency. what he points out is usually presidents, they gather their advisers and come up with policy ideas and then they try strategically to implement those ideas over time. we think trump is doing that with his fweets. that's not what's happening. the tweet itself is the act. the posture is the product as david brooks wrote. all he's doing there, he's bashing his enemies, defending
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his brand, but that is the whole act. like snap chat, it disappears after 24 hours. >> bill, the media often ignores things about itself it should criticize and criticizes what it should ignore. why would you put it on us on what the president-elect is saying about things? that's on him. >> i think there is too much bashing of the president. this is what he thinks at this moment in time. we have to also give context. this is a guy who is a showman. a lot of him is just him doing his show. he's very skillful at this. he gets attention this way. drives ratings this way. he's aware of that. >> therein lies the problem. if we invest hours of our morning program into defining what this is, then tomorrow it changes. then shame on us? >> you don't have to difficult vine it. you have to say here is what he said today. it's in contradiction to what he
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said yesterday. it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to change policy because i don't think it is. i think it's of the moment. i think dylan is entirely right. >> go ahead, dylan. >> i would say to alisyn's point, whether we're trying to divine what he's saying, whether we're talking about that he tweets, at the end of the day there's a certain amount of real estate in the news media space, a great deal of it is being devoted to donald trump and his tweets, and the question is, is it a distraction? how much of what donald trump does is effectively trying to manipulate the media. i don't necessarily mean that in a negative way, just in a strategic way, trying to manipulate the media so he can take up a great deal of the oxygen with certain issues distracting from other issues. >> when he does that, you can call him out on it, dylan. i'm using this example, not just because it's recent, but because it's relevant. he put julian assange up as a counterbalance to u.s. intelligence. i don't care what he says in his tweets. that's not subjective.
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that's objective. >> he's now saying, why do you think i agree with julian assange. >> let's him say it. he is going to be judged for that, not us for covering it. >> it would be more heartening if at a certain point some of his supporters might look at the continue diktry nature of those tweets and maybe see if they got sold a false bill of goods. >> if you catch him doing ridiculous things like this on a regular basis, he'll say this isn't worth it. i'm not getting the bang out of the buck. people don't hate the media enough to counterbalance. >> the media is still trying to figure it out. we'll see how it continues when he's president. >> thank you for helping us figuring it out, bill and dylan. what's your take on this? you can tweet both of us @newday. how about some "good stuff?" >> let's do it.
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amen to the good stuff. a massachusetts woman is not letting her disability hold her back. meet colette. she had a hard time finding a job because she has down's syndrome. >> it's hard to find a paying j job. >> she said, fine, don't hire me. i'll start my own business. she turned her passion for baking into a cookie business. chocolate chip cookies dipped in cinnamon now sold in a local shop. >> now you have my attention. >> first of all, we have to
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