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top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. a remarkable day on our nation's capital. the heads of the cop intelligence agencies going up against their future leader. they insist russia was behind the hacking of the 2016 presidential election and add president-elect donald trump is not convinced is the truth. hours ago, the under secretary for defense for intelligence, the commander of u.s. cybercommand and the director of national intelligence all sat there in washington testifying before the senate panel doubling down on an october report which
indicated that russians at the highest levels of government, including president vladimir putin, authorized the infiltration of democratic party servers. in fact, the intelligence leaders are now more confident than ever. >> we stand actually more resolutely on the strength of that statement we made on the 7th of october. >> what's more here, these intelligence leaders expressed concerns over trump's reaction thus far to their work. and its impact on the spies and staff who dedicate themselves to protecting this country. >> what we do, i think, is revent and we realize what we do is in no small part driven in part by the confidence of our leaders and what we do. and without that confidence, i just don't want a situation where our workforce decides to walk because i think that would really is not a good place for us to be. >> let's go to pamela brown first near washington.
our justice correspondent. we listen to this testimony for hours today, pamela. we know that clapper said he'll be declassifying some of the reports that should come out for the public early next week. what did we learn about that report from today's hearing? >> he gave some hints, brooke, about what we can expect in this report coming out to the public monday, as you said. he said it will lay out some of the motivations they believe why russia hacked into the democratic party's e-mails and tried to tilt the election in donald trump's favor. what we understand from officials that will talk about how the intelligence community believes that russia was trying to sow chaos but also tilt the election in one direction. so this is new because the expectation, brooke, was this would be a comprehensive report about why the u.s. government believes that russia is to blame. but this is taking it a step further laying out the
motivations. as we heard james clapper say today, the leader of the dni, he said it was a combination of the hacked disclosures, the e-mails that went out but also fake news propaganda. he said that the belief in the intelligence community is that the russians were pushing out this fake news in order to hurt hillary clinton. he didn't say that part explicitly but said the russians were behind the fake news propaganda and that it continues. and then this implicit message to the president-elect who, as we know, has made these public statements casting doubt on the intelligence community. he said there's a difference between healthy skepticism and disparagement and it's crucial for the american public to have confidence in the intelligence community and that men and women have lost their lives in service to this country. so sort of a message there the president-elect ahead of this big meeting tomorrow where james clapper and other leaders will brief trump, brooke.
>> pamela, thank you. today's briefing taking on a more interesting significant spun with news that donald trump is also looking at possible ways to limit the power of the director of national intelligence. sources close to the transition team tell cnn the thinking within the trump team is that the dni, oftentimes gets in the way of the 16 intelligence agencies it represents. just a short time ago, the outgoing director of national intelligence weighed in on whether his department could use an overhaul. >> there's always room for improvement. i would never say that this is the ultimate. i believe it would be useful if we're going to reform or change the dni or change cia that some attention be given to, in our case, the legislative underpinnings that established the dni in the first place and then have added additional
functions and responsibilities over the years that the congress has added to our bag of duties. but to say that, you know, there's not room for improvement, i'd not suggest that. >> now we're talking revamping, what exactly would that mean? >> brooke, these are several ideas making the rounds inside the trump transition world. one of the thoughts they had is there a way to -- there is particularly among some retired people in the intelligence community, former cia officers, who think that the dni gets in the way of the intelligence agencies it's supposed to be representing. i will say i think that was a criticism, valid perhaps, five,
six years ago. i think you heard less of that now. i think one of the things the trump transition folks, once the trump leadership gets into the cia, i think they're going to learn a lot more about what's going on inside, they're both in the dni and the cia. the other part of this, brooke, is there is this thought among the trump folks that there perhaps is a way for the cia to return what they see to its roots of doing more human intelligence collection. they feel that perhaps in the obama years the agency has retrenched a little bit and has become too reliant on electronics, on the fruits of the nsa's vast surveillance prowess. the new leadership will go in and do an assessment and see whether these are changes they want to go through with. i should add real quick that this is something that happens at the change of an administration. this is supposed to happen. when the obama administration
took office, one of the ideas they had was to split the fbi into two separate agencies. after they got in, they took a look and they saw it didn't make any sense and they dropped that idea, brooke. >> i know my next guest who knows the cia quite well values this notion of human intelligence. we'll ask him about that. evan, thank you so much. the man who led today's two-hour intelligence hearing before the armed senate committee was a huge scrum, in the middle you found senator john mccain and our correspondent. >> reporter: you said that the outcome was affected -- >> i will assume it is affected unless there is proof that there is and no one should. >> do you think that trump was helped by russia's hacking? >> i have no idea but i have seen no information that he was helped. >> reporter: do you have confidence that the incoming
administration will put tougher sanctions on russia? >> i don't know. i have no way -- >> in he doesn't, will your party roll him? >> i don't know but we are preparing very tough sanctions against russia. >> let's have a conversation with gloria borger here in new york and john, who was the first to blow the whistle on the agency's use of waterboarding and served two years in prison for leaking that classified information to a journalist. john, you're closest to this. i want to begin with you. president-elect donald trump is at odds with folks you used to work with, intel agencies and
prominent members of his own party. does that tick you off? >> no, it doesn't necessarily tick me off. what bothers me, though, is that the president-elect is so willing to air this dirty laundry in public. this is really an issue at the policy level that should be done privately between the president-elect and his people, the cia and the congressional oversight committees. >> so what ticks you off is that he's doing it in 140 characters or less. >> yes. i think we could dispense with this if they could water it down enough so that it could be made public, it could be presented to congress at large rather than just the oversight committees. for example, there ought to be a trail of bread crumbs that nsa should be able to discern if the
russians did indeed hack this remotely. at least they could tell us that. >> sure, sure. gloria, when you look at this whole meeting and look at the different members of the committee and even a lindsay graham who normally goes at it with a james clapper, but today with the blurred political lines and the i.o.c. and the different members. >> he did say he's thrown a pebble the cyber warfare issue and he intends to throw a rock. but, yeah, john mccain and -- they know it was the intent of
the russians to influence this election for donald trump. they are not making a judgment about whether in fact the election was influenced. >> john mccain stopped short of saying any of that. >> exactly. because nobody on that committee is disparaging donald trump's victory. and i think that's what donald trump is worried about. he's thinking they're trying to delegitimize his victory. that's not the case. >> what's interesting, too, is according to john mccain, he hasn't even talked to trump about this. does that surprise you? >> well, it doesn't given the world in which we live right now. i mean, they're on different sides of this issue. >> phone call. >> donald trump has made -- well, right. donald trump has made his views publicly known. he didn't pick up the phone and call john mccain and have a discussion about it either. so this is what's so amazing is that you have a president-elect
on a collision course with not only his own intelligence folks but also with senior republicans in his own party. at some point they are going to have to talk to each other about this. >> yes. john, back offer to you. evan was just reporting on this overhaul of the dni and cia and intel. do you think that's a smart move? >> it's a very smart move. the whole purpose of the cia is it recruit spies to steal secrets. it's not a paramilitary organization. it's a human intelligence collection organization. i think the more cia officers who are overseas doing their job rather than sitting in langley, virginia the better. >> this is the new senate minority leader chuck schumer. here's what he said. >> you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from sunday at getting back at you. so even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed
businessman, he's being really dumb to do this. >> i'm looking at you smiling, when you heard chuck schumer say that, what was your first thought, john? >> i actually laughed out loud when i heard him do that. he doesn't mean november 22nd, 1963, what he means is if the cia's heart isn't in it, they can slow roll. so many cia officers have been at the agency for 25, 30 years, they know they can wait out this president, just like they've waited out previous presidents. maybe they're not going to go after the riskiest operation or the most well played source, maybe they'll wait until there's chang in the administration before they ramp up again. >> next just in, president-elect donald trump deposed today in
his legal fight with a celebrity chef. we'll tell you what happened there. also ahead, the president-elect calling out another car company. hear his threat now against toyota. from twitter. and breaking news from the case of four people seen on video torturing a man with special needs and shouting "f trump." those details ahead.
breaking news here on cnn. thanks for being with me. in chicago, four young adults are being charged with hate crimes over a vicious attack that was live streamed on facebook. we'll play you a portion but just a warning. what you're about to see is beyond disturbing. it shows an 18-year-old man with special needs, he is bound, his mouth taped shut, cowhering in the corner of this room. his attacks are two men and two women are laughing and shouting profanities about white people and donald trump while kicking and punching this victim for 30 minutes. at one point his scalp is slashed with a blade. ryan young is on this for us in chicago. you know, seeing that video, i didn't even have words for it.
tell me about these charges and what police are saying. >> i've seen this video over and over and every time i see it or hear it, the hearing it really bothers you, they took the young man's head and stuck it in the toilet and tried to make him drink the water in there. we're told all four people are going to be charged with aggravated kidnapping, hate crime, aggravated lawful restrained and robbery. there will be a news conference with police that will be detailing parts of this investigation because obviously there's parts of this we're still trying to discover. >> tied up. >> reporter: this disturbing 30-minute video streamed live on facebook shows a man tied up, his mouth covered, crouched in the corner of a room. >> it sickening. it makes you wonder what would make individuals treat somebody like that? >> reporter: chicago police describing the victim as an
18-year-old white male with special needs. his attackers are seen laughing as they kick, punch and cut his forehead with a knife. >> [ bleep ] donald trump. >> four people in custody, all african-americans, two males and two females. they're investigating whether the attack was racially motivated. >> they're young adults and made stumd decisions. -- stupid decisions. we have to determine whether this was a hate crime or just ranting and raving. >> the investigation is ongoing. >> some of it is just stupidity, people just ranting about something they think might make a headline. i know he has mentioned chicago but i can't connect that with
what these folks did. >> reporter: police say the victim was taken from the suburbs and could have been missing from anywhere between 24 and 48 hours. officers found the victim wandering the streets in crisis tuesday afternoon and brought him to a hospital. >> he's traumatized from the incident. it took most of the night for him to calm down and talk to us. >> it looks like two of the people, the females, are related. we're working to get the mug shots. that news conference in about the next 35 minutes or so. >> we'll talk to you again, ryan young, in chicago for us. >> coming up, the president-elect calling out another car company. hear his threat now against toyota and what it just did to the stock price. also just in, donald trump deposed today in his legal fight with a celebrity chef. hear what happened. we'll be back in a moment. your insurance company
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just into us, president-elect donald trump taking to twitter and taking aim at toyota's plans to build a car manufacturing plant in mexico. mr. trump tweeted, quote, toyota motor said will build a new plant in baha, mexico to build cars in u.s. no way! build plant in u.s. or pay border tax. the stock price did dip about a half a percentage point. you see the drop from the tweet.
is it a threat? will there be follow-through? >> that's the big question. it's pretty clear donald trump is not going to be tone it down because he's the president-elect. what is less clear is whether he is going to actually implement these policies or whether this is the beginning of a negotiation for him. if this is just a threat he puts out there. on the campaign trail he said he would impose a 35% tax on a car made in mexico. he can't do something like that to a specific company. he can't say, toyota, you're the only one who has to pay 35% taxes. there are a lot of people, be republicans in congress, who don't think this is sound trade policy and say ultimately you'll have american consumers paying more. but maybe this is another way to strike a deal, convince toyota to keep a plant in the u.s. and say, look, i'm victorious again.
>> the other note on trump today, this deposition with celebrity chef jose andreas. how is that going? >> he completed his deposition earlier today. this is a little perplexing. while he has settled other lawsuits that were seemingly more complicated than this one, while he has unloaded some potential real estate deal that is a little sticky, he's fighting this fight. and the counsel for the trump organization said the deposition was completed earlier today and lasted just over one hour as the case is fairly straightforward. he goes on to say this is the tenant's fault, he broke the lease and we're seeking all these penalties. it's a little bit strange to have the president-elect spend part of his day being deposed in
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information. he here's more from today's hearing on the hill. >> i just have to mention that mr. assange's name has popped up. i believe he's the one who is responsible for publishing names of individuals that work for us that put their lives in direct danger. is that correct? >> yes, he has. >> and do you think that there's any credibility we should attach to this individual given his record of -- >> not in my view. >> not in your view. >> admiral rogers? >> i would second those comments. >> so before the hearing today, trump took to twitter and tweeted "the dishonest media likes saying i am in agreement with julian assange. wrong, i simply state what he states. it is for the people to make up
their own mind for the truth. the media lies to make it look like i am against, quote, intelligence when in fact i am a big fan. >> danielle, nice to have you on. >> pleasure. >> out of the gate how do you see it regarding trump and assange? >> you know, i think the president-elect has perhaps stepped a little bit over the line on his statements about assange, but i also think that we just need to get used to this. you know, what donald trump says on twitter is what donald trump is thinking at that moment, and that doesn't make it law or policy, it makes it what he's thinking at the moment. i think -- >> do you feel like you have a good sense of what he's thinking regarding assange? >> you know, again, i think he probably appreciates a great deal the effects that assange
and wikileaks had on the election, the mood and the effects on hillary clinton. if i were donald trump, i'd love it, too. but there is a bigger role to play here and that is to recognize what assange is. >> how do you see assange? the intel says he has zero credibility. >> right. he's an alleged rapist, he's hold up in an embassy hiding away. he's an agent of influence for -- if not a direct agent of russia, he's a man who has da dangered american interests and american officials. he's a bad, bad guy. >> president obama is getting this briefing today. mr. trump is scheduled to receive it tomorrow. over the course of the last couple of weeks, we know there have been a relationship between these two and phone calls made. do you think the president should reach out and talk to trump before this briefing tomorrow? >> i try and make it a habit not
to give advice to president obama -- >> no one's giving advice but what do you think would be beneficial for trump? >> what i think would be beneficial is to understand the nature of intelligence. they are never going to tell you he did it, this is who ordered it because that's not what happens. i had a security clearance for ten years. nobody ever told me this is the way it is. even when they had a photograph. the problem with intelligence is it's as good as it is. it's not -- it's not being there and seeing it at the time. and so you can interpret it the way you want. this cuts every which way. donald trump needs to listen and try to understand in context. >> danielle, let me play a piece from this hearing today beginning with a question from senator claire mccaskill and then you'll hear james clapper's response. >> who actually is benefactor of someone who is about to become commander in chief trashing the
intelligence community? >> i think there is an important distinction here between healthy skepticism, which policy makers, to include policy maker number one, should always have for intelligence, but i think there's a difference between skepticism and disparagement. i've received many expressions of concern from foreign counterparts about, you know, the disparagement of the u.s. intelligence community or i should say what has been interpreted as disparagement of the intelligence community. >> danielle, which do you perceive it as, healthy skepticism or flat out disparagement? >> hard to answer. i think there has been -- i think there has been disparagement. i think it's completely
unnecessary. healthy skepticism is exactly the right attitude. the i.c. has been politicized over the last decade, and it's a huge problem. that doesn't mean we should say bad things about people fundamentally serving their country just as much as the military, just as much as the diplomatic service. we should be very careful, the president-elect should be very careful and i hope he will be. >> again, president obama receiving the briefing now and president-elect trump receiving it tomorrow. danielle pletka, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up next, republicans, you know this, they want to repeal and replace obamacare, but do they have a plan, as in a unified plan? we're now hearing a timetable as to when they will devise one. and also historically, black college, band, deciding whether
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and replace obamacare. president-elect trump is tweeting in part that you have to work together. and then he writes it is time for republicans and democrats to get together and come up with a health care plan that really works, much less expensive and far better. but this morning senate minority leader chuck schumer hit back saying republicans, including trump, have no idea where to start. >> i say to the president-elect that this is serious, serious stuff. people's health is at stake and people's lives are at stake. now, we understand that president-elect trump is in a difficult spot, that republicans are in a difficult spot. they want to repeal aca and have no idea how to replace it. but instead of calling names, president-elect should roll up his sleeves and show us a
replacement plan. >> let's talk about this with our cnn senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny and commentator mary katherine hamm. i guess in with crooked hillary and in with clown schumer. let me begin with the tick tock, the timeline. we've heard from republicans, so many of them, they all say they have plans but it's not a unified plan. so what's the timetable on achieving that? >> that's a great question. there's been no specific time plan. the republicans are unwilling to pick a target date because they know this will be difficult. >> i think the scare tactics that started with the democrats yesterday, i think they're trying to make americans think someday this february or march you're going to wake up and you won't have a health insurance plan.
that ain't happening. that's not true. what date all of this gets phased in on is something we do not know because we're waiting for the trump administration to be stood up, for tom price to be confirmed and become the secretary of health and human services. the question is how long will it take for the marketplace to adjust. that we don't have an answer but the legislating on obamacare will happen this year. >> we all know how long and difficult it was to pass this law in 2010. it could take just as long and be just as difficult to unravel it. but house members up here on capitol hill say they are keenly aware of not wanting to take things away from people they like, like preexisting conditions or having kids up to 26 or so stay on their plan. they're going to try to find things they like in the plan and get rid of things they don't. but that is much harder said than done, brooke. >> mary catherine, you know
these republicans that have to deal with this. to jeff's point, if it took as long to unravel, will there even be a president trump? i'm being totally serious. >> that is the question. look, they have a couple of options. they could go the route of the current president and say if you like your plan, can you keep it and then do whatever they want and it turns out that's not the case. that's not a responsible thing to do and i hope they don't. so their other option is to work really hard at trying to figure out how you keep some of these things, how you make the deadlines work so that people don't get stuck with something they were depending on. you're right to say there is not a unified plan. some people get too cute by half as nicholas krzysztof did in the "new york times." the "new york times" reporting on price being the health and
human secretary, he's had plans that unified with paul ryan's better way agenda. so he has at least two plans and -- >> you're right. i wish we had more time. so many people are concerned with what's happening here. we'll revisit this many, many . the president of this h this historically black college founded by slaves some 149 years ago is going do tsay yes to tak part of the parade. if i may read, "we respect and appreciate how our students and alumni feel in the participation
of the parade. we feel it is not a political event but a simple transfer of power." shirley ferrell, an author of a petition that urged the band not to perform is back with me today. shirley, which is not what you were hoping for. can you see any good to come from this? >> well, of course the good is that the excellent musicians at talladega's marching band will have exposure, they'll be able to apply their skills and talents and represent the school well. >> we know last night there was a meeting with the trustees and the president and in part which delayed his decision until this afternoon you know some of these individuals. what were some of the conversations do you think convinced him behind closed doors? >> i cannot guess. i honestly have know idea and
there are lots of alumni and supporters of the school who are very much fismisty fiefiedmisty. we have no words from the president or the board -- well to really explain what led to this. i know what was stated in several news stories about it being a great opportunity and all this, but what really, really happened? i don't know. >> listen, we have talked about the lack of diversity in the trump cabinet, we have talked about when he have candidate trump not reaching out to enough black communities. and here they are to perform in the inaugural parade. can you give him any credit for that? >> i don't know that they
reached out. there are several stories about how talladega's band got involved so whether the school sent a request, whether the inaugural committee asked specifically for them, i don't know. that hasn't been very transparent as far as information coming from the school or the band or the committee either. >> would you go to the inauguration, shirley? >> would you go watch them perform? >> no. no. >> no? >> no, because i don't support donald trump as president and as previously stated reasons the comments and behavior he has exhibited toward african-americans throughout his candidacy even before that in his business dealings and i do not want the band to participate in the inauguration. >> you have a right not to be there. yes, yes, ma'am.
>> and the inauguration is not here yet, so maybe there still can be some impact by concerned alumni and students. >> we'll see. shirley, appreciate you. i hear you, thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up more on our breaking news we can tell you that four young adults are being charged with these hate crimes over this atrocious attack streamed live on facebook. we will hear from chicago police and take it live any moment from now.
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