tv CNN Tonight With Don Lemon CNN January 5, 2017 8:00pm-9:01pm PST
it is a crime so shocking, reaction and revulsion spread all the way to the white house. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. four black suspects charged with hate crime, kidnapping and battery in assault on white special needs teenager, all live on facebook live while they say anti-trump slurs and slurs against white people. first a story about the marching band from talladega college will
march in the inaugural parade in spite of protests from some alumni and students who called for band to withdraw. president of talladega is joining us now. >> thanks for having me. >> this caused a lot of controversy in the college community. tell us how you reached this decision. >> well our marching band, they're in the almost five years of existence, we started this band, and these students, we went to our students and discuss discussed it with them, and they were excited about the opportunity to go and perform on a worldwide stage. and so we weighed the pros and cons, and i came to the decision that this was the best decision for us. >> was it a tough one? >> it was a tough decision. >> you're getting a lot of
pushback from alumni right? >> it's been back and forth absolutely, and some not been pleasant. >> what are you hearing from them. >> they don't want us to go. it's been back and forth. but i focused on the students and on this great institution, talladega college. it's not about politics but about our young people having the opportunity to go to washington to perform on a national stage. this will be a moment that these young people will never forget the rest of their life. and so when we weighed the pros and cons, this was the right decision because the students themselves, they want to go and be part of this historic -- you know it's about history, about participating in a presidential inaugural -- you know the
changing of the -- >> transition of power. so you said you struggled with this, i don't know if you want to answer this, did it go against your personal political believes or how you felt about this particular election but had to do what was best for the students? >> no i focused as i indicated don, my decision is not about any political party. >> it's about what is best for the students. got it. >> our institution is a nonpartisan one and i focused on the students. communicated with them and felt this young band -- we have 230 young people in this band. >> did they all want to participate? >> absolutely. >> did you talk to -- about the situation with other leaders at hbcus, historically back colleges and universities, and if you did, what was their take?
>> had conversations with some hbcu presidents. at a national presidents meeting right now and had conversation with them about it and they absolutely agree and said go for it. this is a national stage, you know, great for the institution, great experience for these students. and so that's where my heart -- i love these young people, students that i work with, and so that was my decision. to move forward -- >> you said all 230 members who wanted to go, if there because one who didn't want to go would you force them? >> absolutely no. wouldn't force them. >> going to cost serious money to send them. how are you fundraising. >> we're fundraising, it's going well, donations coming in,
making ask out there and i'm confident within the next week and a half that we'll have the funds to send young people. they deserve this, they've earned it, worked hard, participated in parades throughout the south and they've been on large stages. had the opportunity to perform at a saints/denver broncos game this year, been in mardi gras parades, earned it. we don't have a football team so -- >> good for them to get out and practice what they do on national stage. >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> it's going to be memorable for young people and that's why we're doing it. >> see you at inauguration, thanks. >> now turn to the crime. asking how could it happen,
among them, president of the united states, barack obama. lot of people asking about the attack on special needs teen by four black people shouting slurs against white people and donald trump, how it shows race relations gotten worse. >> i came to chicago in '85, you were there, i promise you, haven't gotten worse. but it's true that in part because we see visuals of racial tensions, violence and so forth, because smartphones and internet and media, what we've seen is surfacing a lot of the problems that have been there a long time. whether it's tensions between police and communities, hate crimes, despicable sort just recently surfaced on facebook, i take these things very
seriously. >> i want to bring in rosa flores live in chicago, covering the story. four suspects have been charged in heinous attack streamed live on facebook. tell us about the charges. >> reporter: they're charged with aggravated kidnapping, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and of course with a hate crime don. police tell me it took them a while to talk to prosecutors and come up with a plan to make sure they had the evidence to present in court, to actually convict on the hate crime and they do believe they have it don. >> you interviewed a woman today who saw the suspects before the victim was found. tell me about that. >> reporter: she says that there was a van driving erratically on monday and caught their attention because a woman wearing a blonde wig was hiding
her face and walking around that van and stood out to her and her community and lo and behold a day later a swarm of police officers, shining lights at that van. then she saw that horrendous video we've all seen live streamed on facebook. >> it's scary. constantly telling my sister we need to find somewhere else to live. >> reporter: now she didn't see the victim walking in this neighborhood don. but from talking to the police they say it was 20 degrees outside, about 20 degrees, and he was wearing a tank top, shorts and flip-flops. imagine being found by police, disoriented, injured, police officer saw him and took him to the hospital. >> we're thinking about him and wish him well. what can you tell us about the four suspects and their
relationship with this victim? >> reporter: one of the suspects, jordan hill, is actually a friend of the victim, he picked him up at restaurant in northwest suburb of chicago in that van i was telling you about that the woman noticed on the west side of chicago. the van was stolen police say, drove the victim to chicago about 30 miles. you know this area well don. police say not premeditated event but a weekend hang youts that of course went really really wrong. >> rosa flores in chicago. thank you. bring in dmitri roberts former police officer, activist j mont green and scholar and radio host. so glad all of you can come on to talk about this horrific act that happened. we discussed it at length last night. everyone agrees it was heinous
act and video is shocking. what is your reaction? >> it's simple and call on viewers to think about looking at these issues nationally and work hard to address them in chicago, we have to fight hard not to be divided with these issues. hate is hate, bad things are bad things and wrong is wrong. what we've seen trend is folks want to be divided behind this. i urge them not to. if we do want to focus on something, focus on the truth, on justice. that's what we really can stand behind and come up with sensible solutions. >> i think you're exactly right. >> there's a crime that's happened. >> i think rur iegt, social media, want to be divided and make excuses. there's no excuse for this. as president said today.
video is very difficult to watch, look at this just for a moment. again it's hard to watch. and i've watched full thing unedited and can't believe what i'm watching that it's actually real. i wonder where they learned some reprehensible behavior. down t do you believe the charges are appropriate here? >> don, thanks for having me on. millions of listeners i have across chicago and 70% are african-american, my listeners think it's absolutely horrendous what took place but at the same time don you have to -- hate crime at this point, not so sure. you have a case in idaho where three teens sodomized a
handicapped black child with a hanger and then forcefully pushed hanger into the child's rectum and they let those teens go. is it horrendous, yes, should it be a hate crime? jump to rush to judgment? in chicago we have a lot going on -- >> but police said now have evident they believe it's a hate crime. as i said last night when you hear them talking about f white people, f donald trump, all of the suspects are black and victim is white, how can you not say it's a hate crime. >> i'm saying clearly it is hate. it's rooted in hate. but what we have to understand is, reason that you have these situations like this where the mentality has gone so bad and you have so many situations like this is because we're not equally parcelling it out.
these kids looking at social media, watching other cases around the country and wondering why them. hate doesn't start because you were born in hate but when you seed it in people thu them watching and hearing and being formed around ideas that are unjust. >> stand by and i'll get rest of the panel in. unfortunately have to take a break. continue to talk about this on the other side. for leisure. so i go national, where i can choose any available upgrade in the aisle - without starting any conversations- -or paying any upcharges. what can i say? control suits me. go national. go like a pro.
dominique, i have to ask you this, info wars blamed this on black lives matters, starting the #blmkidnapping. authorities found no link to the group. what's your reaction to this? >> similar to yours don. hard for me to watch this. more importantly saddened to see the narrative that keeps coming around chicago. it's not reflective of the chicago i know and love and work in every day nor the young people i work to support in the city. as dmitri mentioned, the solution is around education. all roads lead to that. nothing to do with black lives matter movement. this is an aspect of education, exposure and mentorship. that's what we need in chicago
buchlt not affiliated at all with national network of organizations. >> and it's sickening that fake news organizations continue to push this fake narrative about this. what is your reaction? >> think they just want to taint the movement. and really thing is there are activists like myself trying to bring people together. they use platforms, cases like this, using it as a platform to try to divide us. at end of the day what these kids did in this case were wrong. but purpose of black lives matter is saying that black people be treated equally. when we talk about justice, talk about the case that a.c. green was talking about, using coat hanger 0 penetrate a mentally disabled black man. what happened? they got nothing. walked out of the jail. these kids will go to jail and
rot under it. at end of the day when talking about black lives matter, want black people treated equally, justice system needs a level playing field. and they should go to jail considering how horrific the video is and the acts seen on camera there. >> they should. >> i want to ask you dmitri, there are hate crimes committed by people on both sides of the political suspect rum. why do the attacks become so political? >> well it's simple, it helps to fuel somebody else's rhetoric and their narrative. it's an opportunity. opportunists now are taking vachk a young man that's been injured and really moving past the humanity behind it. why talking about white or black or anything when another human being has been tortured and having a hard time right now and
want to politicize it? they're selfish. they have their own agendas, not to help, heal or come up with sensible solutions. we all agree, folks on the panel, in the community and in the country, that this is wrong. let's unify behind a truth, talk about justice and come up with a sebs sensible solution and find out why this happened and address the root of that problem and see the country turn around. >> anybody on the panel not think it's hate crime? >> it is a hate crime. >> it is hate crime. >> and hate doesn't have a color. >> lot of fake news organizations presenting fake information. anyone believe it's not heinous despicable act? make excuses for the kids or young people? >> it is heinous.
can't make excuses for what these kids did but we have to look at root of the problem, parental guidance, whose house, where are the parents? end of the day we have mayors and aldermen and people not doing their jobs. neighborhoods look like third world countries, ghost towns, no economic development, schools underfunded, board up house and no plan to redevelop, what are we going to do to give kids alternatives. unemployment rate is highest in chicago around the country. talk about the root problem. why violence is high and situations like this is happening. >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> i get asked all the time what is the solution? we're the solution. we're the thoughtful people going out into the communities every day like dominique said and doing the tough work. we need the resources, help,
advocacy and folks to stand behind us leading the fight to make chicago better. >> and what do you say to the victim and his family? >> i'm sorry. >> praying for them. ministers across chicago come together and taking up donations to help with that family. listen you know african-americans are peace-loving people. in south carolina we saw families being murdered in church and then yet they gave forgive to forgi forgiveness to the man who murdered them. peace-loving people but need parity. these kids need infrastructure, parenting. it's a hot issue but can't -- >> listen don. >> i got to run. >> peace doesn't have a color either. let's come up with peace and sensible solution to stand behind. >> we'll be right back.
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russian government as opposed to someone in their basement? >> it's very high. >> you say you think this was approved at highest level of government in russia? generally speak. is that right? >> that's what we said. >> who is highest level of government? >> highest is president putin. >> do you think a lot happens in russia that he doesn't know about? >> not very many. >> yeah i agree. >> certainly not that are sensitive to another country. >> director clapper went on to say never encountered a more aggressive campaign to interfere in elections. are we going back to the cold war days? what does this mean? >> i think the idea we have cold war attitude where at height of the cold war each side blamed other for worst it could imagine is in some ways back.
that this is the most aggressive campaign, yes that's probably true but largely because of the digital age and other campaigns we witnessed in the united states in kremlin meddling in the elections which started in 1920s, not the 1960s as he said, started giving money to the american communist party. ineffective here then. like communist party in russia now. didn't have chance of getting elected. but most important part of this is we're the ones making this effective, us talking about it now because had no outcome result in the american election, but it's building a result now, sowing doubts about thein teg rit of the american electoral process going forward.
>> that's good point to go to you. >> i think there's destabilizing part of this discussion. regardless of how much the russians are responsible, they're making hay of this story no matter what happens because of the cloud that exists over donald trump. and i just looked at those senators around that table and i can tell you that four or five of them are speaking to each other about why donald trump is in this state of denial. and they want to know what are donald trump's businesses, debts, trips to russia, what is going on with donald trump and his relationship to russia. that's the underlying story here. follow the money. i want to give you a quote from donald trump jr. in 2008. russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets. we see a lot of money pouring in from russia, 2008.
we need to know where donald trump's investments, debts, who he owes in russia, what his trips have been. this is the underlying story that we need to pursue. >> you're insinuating some conflict of interest between -- >> no question, conflict of interest. but if it's fine and above board and transparent, let donald trump tell us what his investments and debts are, what he has done in terms of his relationship with russian oligarchs. >> by denying the hacking happened, going against the intelligence, how much is he e isolating himself? >> i think not just isolating himself, think there's real terror on the part of members of the congress, of the senate of the united states, about what some of the underlying facts are here. and that is -- has inadvertently
somehow donald trump gotten himself in some kind of situation, does he have debt? et cetera. i think that's june lying line of inquiry that some of the senators and members of congress want to pursue. >> go ahead jonathan. >> two things at work. first of all carl is right, we don't know what the motivation for trump saying this unusual but in some ways reasonable thing, why can't we have better relations with russia, he's never explained intellectual origins of his openness. could be curiosity, could be girls, he just likes eastern european girls and give him ideas or could be what carl talked about, follow the money. we don't know. but doubts about what trump was saying, there are doubts about the american intelligence community not on this particular
issue necessarily. but remember the man tlideliver the information today, clapper, outright lied to the senate in 2013, saying there was no surveillance or intelligence gathering on american citizens by national security means and snowden opened up the secrets and had to walk that back. >> scenario -- >> part of the problem -- >> donald trump was in russia, did business there and got to gnome and therefore thinks he can do business with them on good level of mutual trust and he's playing that card. might be legitimate but need answers to the underlying questions. pardon for interrupting. >> and it's different in 2013 than now, i understand what you're saying but not exact parity. >> it is not parity but there
are reasons for doubting the american intelligence apparatus, i thought the admiral was much more credible today than clapper. >> but i don't think the problem is the doubting of american intelligence, i think it is doing publicly when you have to build relationships, and also considering what is going on with vladimir putin and trying to destabilize the american system. is it a smart idea for trump to do it publicly? i think that's overarching question there but unfortunately. >> none of this works publicly. >> i have to -- >> and they're going to confront him with information and whether it persuades him is open question. coming up, donald trump doubling down on russian hacking but will he change his mind? swio at&t... what??.... aand you got unlimited data because you have directv?? (laughs to self in disbelief) okay, just a few more steps...
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intelligence chiefs due to sit down tomorrow with president-elect donald trump behind closed doors to brief him on russia's actions. here is jack, hilary, kayleigh, bakari. glad to have you on. congressman, the top intelligence leaders testified they were more than certain that putin was behind the russian
hacking. intercept captured officials happy with the results. at this point should the president-elect acknowledge they meddled? not that they changed election but they meddled. >> i think after the briefing he may make a statement that they confirmed no result that changed because of interference and something he may want to say. i talked to them, does appear to be russian monitoring and -- of our election, at least the dnc e-mails but did not affect the election results. that's probably what we're going to hear. but he's going to have a really good briefing tomorrow and ask tough questions and be given tough answers. >> hilary, here is how trump transition tweeted, democratic
national committee wouldn't let fbi study, how or why so sure about hacking if never ever requested examination of the compute computer/servers, what is going on, i can't believe reading a tweet. >> that's the problem with a tweet. doesn't tell the story. the fbi didn't actually ask the dnc to see the computers, no denial of access, because there was a vendor the fbi has worked with repeatedly over the course of last several years that had taken screen shots and done investigations and fbi took all of the data and material fra fr that vend are. this is really a red herring, back to the original issue, what does the country want to hear from donald trump after the intelligence briefing tomorrow? yes we want to hear that he respects the facts that the
intelligence officials have brought to the american people. and doing that, i think would provide some comfort. but carl bernstein raised bigger picture point. this constant denial about russia's attempted influence in the u.s. i don't think is connected as much to the elections for donald trump but connected to his cloudy relationship with putin and russian financiers, that's really going to be the critical thing that americans need to hear, what is donald trump's relationship there. >> kayleigh, carl said that but others said the same thing, maybe doesn't want to divest, denying influence because entangled and owing russia money. so on. >> i don't think that's it, if you look at history, president bush tried to give russia a
chance, called strategic partner, that failed. obama tried, that failed. trump wants to give him a chance. proven wrong. i think this has everything to do with the election -- >> but unprecedented to have so much support for vladimir putin entirely and praise russia so much. >> people forget that president obama stood in the home of vladimir putin and said i'll never forget all of the great things you did for the russian people. keep in mind a kgb agent who can't be trusted. i encourage donald trump to look to the past and see it couldn't succeed. >> bakari, is that a fair comparison? >> no but fact of the matter is we all understand this relationship that donald trump has with vladimir putin is closer than anything barack obama or george w. bush had.
you can go back and see this is causing concern. trouble is not necessarily this briefing tomorrow, it's the fact that donald trump has chosen vladimir putin and julian assange over the president of the united states and our american intelligence agencies in tweets and said it over and over again. i don't know why we expect anything to change tomorrow. i actually hope that he gives the answer that congressman kingston said, this did not influence the election, let's move on. that will actually chip away at what donald trump actually touts, strength. that's a weak answer. if he doesn't stand up to russia as president of the united states, we need somebody who will and i guess we have to rely on the united states congress led by john mccain and others. >> this is crazy from democrats, supported president obama, who whispered in the ear of --
allowed him to annex crimea. >> allowed him. >> didn't care. that's the biggest issue. we have sanctions against russia, there is no allowing here. point that donald trump has a relationship with putin and that his family has talked about how their developments have been funded by russian financiers, there's too much in the past that hasn't been answered and donald trump owes the american people those answers. >> for the last two years russia's economy has been crippled. for all practical purposes, it's a gas station with a nuclear weapon. to say that president of the united states allowed something, president of the united states helped cripple their economy and now has no sanctions and mccain and graham want to take it further. question i have for kayleigh and
others, if the congress puts sanctions bill on the desk of the president of the united states that goes further than what barack obama did, will donald trump sign it? i don't have faith he will or know anybody who does. >> i think if u.s. congress decides there's evidence to merit it, president would be behind it. but remember the famous obama/hillary clinton reset of russia. as kayleigh said if we can rebuild this relationship, move in positive destruction, work with russia to defeat isis is that not a good thing for america and world peace? i think the new president should be given that opportunity. also want to say that lot of these questions and allegations we're hearing can be vetted through the hearing process. lot of people going to be confirmed will have some of these tough questions. >> what allegations? >> to say we've heard from hilary and bakari he has a
relationship with putin. i don't know of a relationship he has, i don't know anything about it. perhaps those are going to be questions for some of the nominees. >> you don't know -- >> hold on. this is a good place to take a break, then we'll discuss. we'll be right back. to bring an entire stadium to its feet. you missed it, buddy. it's all good. and much like this hero, courtyard is all about the game. one, two, three... waaaaave!
and we're back now with my panel. congressman kingston saying a lot of the questions could be answered through hearings. >> yes. >> and bakari disagreeing. >> you can't have sitting down -- noded needed help identifying the ties. paul manafort was a long-time consultant -- >> the independent contractor who was fired. >> in trump tower as recently as last month. carter paige, foreign policy adviser with ties to state-owned petroleum company in russia. >> doesn't mean a nefarious relationship. >> you can go to company backed by russian interests.
if donald trump wants to show his taxes so we can do this deep dive, we've been there and done it but to say he was in moscow last year at a gala as the guest of vladimir putin. >> under those standards, anyone who has anything to do with russia, donald trump is supposed to stay away from, i guess. let me say this, during the hearing princess when mr. tillerson is up there, senators can ask them almost anything under the sun and drill down on any of these questions and say are there relationships? do you feel uncomfortable. what would you do if you found out. the hearing process is a really tough thing. >> but there is no obligation. >> wouldn't the american voter be better to serve by donald trump being more transparent
about his business holdings and tax records so they will know there are no conflicts of interest and he may not have favorable opinions about russia or assange or putin and there is a conflict of interest or he owes the government in some way? >> that's what the hearing process is about, but that's what the last year and a half was about. it was vetting candidates and what things are most important to them. i understand some people think tax returns were the number one issues and some think the wall. they decided jobs and the economy and making america great again is the number one issue. >> that doesn't mean there is not a conflict of interest possible. the voters that made the decision, maybe they were wrong about it. >> i don't think you can look at anything that happened in the election and say the voters don't care about it. i find the conversation exhausting.
i can't believe we will spend the next four years talking about how the lack of transparency from the president of the united states is. i do believe the american people want to know that the decisions that the president is making are in the best interest of the american people and not in the best interest of his pocket book or his cronies or anything else. i can't believe that jack and kelly and his other supporters wouldn't like to see that as well. let me finish. if the shoe were on the other foot, there is no question that if a democratic president-elect were in this position that republicans would want to know that same level of transparency. it's simply the classy thing to do. it's the american way. i don't think we -- i don't want to have to argue for the next four years that he ought to be an upstanding president. he just ought to be one. >> but the comments are a page
ripped out of the playbook for democrats. you recall when harry reid stood on the senate floor and said mitt romney paid zero taxes. he released his tax returns and everything was kosher. everything was fine. again, the democrats said fbi, please look into the ties with russia. they did at the urging of the clinton campaign and i am looking at the headline, fbi yields little. this is what democrats do. they suggest somethingy nene fairuous because donald trump wants to give russia a chance. >> that's silly. >> that's hilarious. >> no one looked into donald trump's anything. i know that the congressman said this was an election about what voters wanted and they chose to build a wall or the tax returns. voters are not getting tax
returns or a wall either. we have a president who is not transparent when we want to succeed so the united states succeeds, but he is not giving people a chance to encourage him to succeed. >> this is why the democrats lost. folks back home who are suffering and paying high health care. health care has gone up under obamacare to 18,000 per household. that's what people are worried about. >> so take it away from them. oh, my god. >> take it away from them then. take away all the health care and all the insurance. make america great again. >> don't you think national security is important as well? >> i think it is and having a president for the last eight years who has not stood up to russia and isis and called them
the jv and left iraq a disaster and hasn't made any progress in afghanistan, national security is an issue and donald trump talked about rebuilding the military and rebuilding the stature around the globe and et getting the coalition working again. they get smaller countries like the philippines, for example. you can see a big change here. i think the democrats are still grasping at the issues that they think are going to delegitimize the president and they are not as important to the american people. >> look, i think this is like i said. this is exhausting to constantly talk around the edges of what appropriate behavior isor a president of the united states. if democrats were doing what donald trump is doing, there would be an outcry. i think it is more important to talk about whether or not we are going to be taking health care
away from 20 million people. whether or not we are going to actually save jobs in a real way as opposed to a corporate ce oppress release way. i think those things matter more. on the other hand i think when donald trump distracts the country with these crazy tweets, he is deliberately trying to avoid the conversations about what's happening for everyday americans. >> that is it for us tonight. see you back here tomorrow night. thanks for watching. bye-bye. choose. choose. choose. but at bedtime... ...why settle for this? enter sleep number and the lowest prices of the season. sleepiq technology tells you how well you slept and what adjustments you can make. she likes the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! only at a sleep number store, right now, the best buy rated c2 mattress is only $699.99 learn more at sleepnumber.com know better sleep with sleep number.
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>>. >> good evening and thanks for joining us. millions of women benefit from. top intelligence officials were on capitol hill today. president obama got briefed as well and president-elect trump gets briefed tomorrow. some are celebrating his election victory and we have another key piece on how investigators believe hacked files from the committee and clinton campaign john po defta got to wikileaks and how julian assange could claim they did not come from russian government sources. pamela brown joins us now. what are you learning? >> we learned the comprehensive report includings intelligence gathered after the election. they said