tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 5, 2017 9:00pm-10:01pm PST
>>. >> good evening and thanks for joining us. millions of women benefit from. top intelligence officials were on capitol hill today. president obama got briefed as well and president-elect trump gets briefed tomorrow. some are celebrating his election victory and we have another key piece on how investigators believe hacked files from the committee and clinton campaign john po defta got to wikileaks and how julian assange could claim they did not come from russian government sources. pamela brown joins us now. what are you learning? >> we learned the comprehensive report includings intelligence gathered after the election. they said russia was behind the
hacks and did so in part to help donald trump. included in that information was russian officials expressing happiness at trump's win. one official described them as congratulations in the conversations. you saw government officials in moscow toasting over champagne. these were intercepted. with just one of the indicators, this is high confidence about russia's involvement and intention. you heard today from james clapper who said multiple motivations will be included in the publicly released report on monday and also included in that report that was briefed to the president today, anderson. the identifications of the go betweens the russians used to provide the stolen e-mails to wikileaks. >> just to be clear on the message, there was no smoking gun in any of these messages saying our hacking worked?
>> right. what we are told from our sources is that while they took on a congratulatory tone and they were happy and celebrating, there is no smoking gun where someone said yes, here's exactly what we did and how we did it. we helped donald trump win. >> the go betweens, they are third parties that get information from russia to wikileaks. >> you will recall julian assange confirms the russian government never gave wikileaks the stolen documents but the way russia works is to have people do the work for them and not connected to the government. these are go betweens and called cut outs. they have deniability and today the russian government is strongly denying involvement in the hacks. >> appreciate the update and at times it was directed solely at
the president-elect. appearing before the armed services committee and tomorrow they will brief the president-elect who downplayed their assessment and disparaged them. he gave a strongly worded preview. >> the nation's top intelligence officials have no doubt that russia interfered with the election. >> i don't think we have ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere with our election process than we have seen in this case. >> in the nearly three-hour senate hearing, the officials confirm their assessment that the senior most officials authorized a cyber attack against a democratic national committee and hillary clinton's campaign. an assessment president-elect donald trump dismissed. >> we stand more resolutely on the strength of that statement than we made on the seventh of
october. >> they made it clear who is to blame. >> you say you think this was approved at the highest level of government in russia. is that right? >> that's what we said. >> who is the highest level of government? >> the highest is president putin. >> do you think a lot happens in russia big that he doesn't know about? >> not very many. >> i don't think so either. >> none that are politically sensitive in another country. >> it amounted to a rebuke of trump who repeatedly slammed the intelligence community. he praised putin and downplayed russia's role in the elections. >> who benefits from a president-elect trashing the intelligence community? the american people? them losing confidence in the intelligence community and the work of the intelligence community? >> i think there is an important distinction between healthy skepticism which policy makers
to include policy maker number one should always have for intelligence, but i think there is a difference between skepticism and disparagement. >> and john mccain pushed back on trump for relying on the word of wikileaks leader julian assange who said russia had no role in the public release of thousands of internal democratic e-mails. >> the name mr. assange popped up and i believe that he is the one responsible for publishing names of individuals that work for us that put their lives in direct danger. is that correct? >> yes, he has. >> do you think that there is any credibility we should attach to this individual given his record of -- >> not in my view. >> not in your view. rogers? >> i second those comments.
>> joining us from capitol hill, i understand senator mccain said other things about president-elect trump? >> that's right. we got a chance to ask him specifically what do you hope president-elect trump took away some he said i hope he trusts the intelligence community. they may not get everything right and in this instance, he should listen. they are not wrong. he said he is going to push hard for stiffer sanctions on russia. i said are you confident he will support things? he said i am not confident at all. he called this an act of war and in one potentially piece of good news for donald trump, he signalled an interest in potential support for rex tillerson. he expressed reservations about his coziness and relationship with putin and he had a conversation with him and he was better with him. he still has concerns, but a little bit better.
could potentially vote for him. that was a positive vote, but critical about hoping donald trump accepts what the intelligence community is saying loud and clear. >> the president-elect let loose with several tweets earlier tonight and reaction to his use of twitter by vice president biden on the cbs news hour. >> the tweets just today he called the senate minority leader chuck schumer the head clown. last week he said doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory president o statements and roadblocks. thought it would be a smooth transition. not. >> grow up, donald. grow up. time to be an adult. you are president. you gotta do something. show us what you have. you are going to propose legislation and we will get to debate it. let the public decide. let them vote and see what happens. it's going to be much clearer
what he is for and against and what we are for and against now that it gets down to actually discussing in detail these issues that affect people's lives. >> whatever anybody chooses to make of that advice, he is about to get a grown up briefing in intelligence. details on that and the late tweets, we go from trump tower. tweets from trump tonight. what's he saying? >> despite that admonishment, there are more tweets from donald trump and he is going after this intelligence that is being released saying that russia was behind that hacking. let's put the tweets up on the screen. he is tweeting the democratic national committee would not allow them to see the computer info and how and why are they so sure about hacking if they never requested an examination of the
k350ur9 servers. what is going on? that is inaccurate. our reporting from evan perez shows the fbi was rebuffed by the democratic national committee when they were seeking to look at the computer server. he is behind the news cycle in terms of what the intelligence community is sharing with members of the news media. we should point out that donald trump also tweeted his displeasure with the leaks from the community to various news outlets and he is suggesting once again that members of the intelligence community are behind some kind of political smear to delegitimize his victory. >> a lot of it was a repudiation about the donald trump hack. >> they were. at the start of this hearing, john mccain asked the director of national intelligence who was on his way out whether he put
any credibility on julian assange in a tweet. casting doubt on this intelligence community assessment that russia was behind the hacking and john mccain asked jim clapper whether he put into credibility in julian assange and james clapper said no, he did not. he was backed up by the other leaders who were at that table in that hearing room. we should point out what he played in the story that the director of national intelligence went as far as to say he doesn't mind a healthy skepticism. the president-elect is showing a healthy skepticism. he has a problem disparaging the officers who were in the community professionals who were doing this hard and sometimes dangerous work. that is an extraordinary comment to come from an intelligence leader directed at an incoming president. >> tomorrow is the day he will receive his briefing.
do we know when and where that will happen? >> here at trump tower. we don't have a time yet, but we should point out donald trump is adding someone to his security team. we reported earlier that the retired indiana senator is going to be his director of intelligence. it's an interesting move because it's an institutional pick that is already being greeted by senators like john mccain with some positive comments. that could go a long way in easing tensions between the president-elect and intelligence community. this is an unprecedented situation where we have the president-elect and intelligence community going after each other and they did it again today. >> appreciate the reporting. what the panel makes of the hearings and the officials proved the hacking. the beating of a mentally disabled man and the suspects. the charges they are facing and president obama speaking out on the incident when we continue.
and cnn analyst kirstin powers. it's unprecedented to see the president-elect siding with julian assange. years ago we are calling for them. this is surreal. >> and donald trump himself is doing it. you have a president-elect who is on a collision course with his own community upon which he is going to have to rely to make decisions about the national security. on a collision course with senior republicans in congress who believe the hacking was real and who want to establish serious sanctions against russia. lindsey graham wants to throw not a pebble at russia like barack obama did, but a rock in response to this hacking.
donald trump is saying prove it to me still. prove it to me. why should i believe it? i believe his problem is that he believes this is all questioning the legitimacy of his presidency. if i were going in there to brief him tomorrow, i would say to those intelligence folks, put on your political hat and say nobody is questioning your legitimacy. what we are talking about is russian intent to influence this election on your behalf. >> trump supporters and we have a number of them here, trump supporters said look, there is nothing wrong with pushing back at the intelligence community. that is healthy and making them scrub the intelligence and look at it twice and three times and look at it hard, nothing wrong with that. that keeps people on their toes. there is nothing wrong with it if that's what he were doing. he's not.
this is delegitimating the process. he will be our president. it's not normal. we will not normalize him on my side of the aisle. it's the job of the president to defend america against the powers that seek to attack us. this president is defending the hostile foreign powers and attacking those who devoted their lives to trying to protect us. hearing today, you have three men who combined over 100 years trying to protect our country. being disparaged by the person who in a few days will be the most important client of their intel. it is without precedent. >> do you see donald trump as disparaging the intelligence? >> i think it's a healthy process. i sat through classified briefings many, many times and i have a lot of respect for them, but they are not the gold standard of purity and the gold standard for politics.
for the intelligence community to be talking to the press in my opinion is outrageous. whether they are doing it out the backdoor, the fbi and cia has not been on the same page. they have driven the party up the wall. i think we would agree that the fbi probably contributed towards hillary clinton's lack of majority votes as much as anything. >> they mishandled that and the fbi is being coddled like they are the greatest. >> clapper said there was general agreement and he was more sure about their response to this. about what they believe. >> 'why is clapper talking to the press? in general they would not go to the house intelligence committee because we were not ready to give a report. yet we heard from the press. that was all kinds of things. >> they have leaks all the time.
>> i still think the level of discussion, the level of public debate being promoted by the intelligence community is unprecedented. >> is it unprecedented. is this a community that is trying to delegitimize donald trump? >> i don't think so. this is a big problem for the president long-term. we want a president who was strong for america, not weak for russia. that's flips his own base if he continues down this pathway. people have forgotten the danger of putin. putin is not just a butcher at home. putin is a major force against our interests in the middle east and he has been stirring the pot. he could create a situation in the middle east where american influence continues to go down which i think most republicans don't want to happen. at some point he has to be
called to task by his own party. i love what you said. we don't want to normalize this. the worst that can hab is we adapt to absurdity. it is absurd for a president-elect to talk this much, period. you are supposed to be quiet, do your transition and have one president at a time. the fact that we are having this much discussion about anything is unusual and dangerous. >> what will democrats point to and intelligence community views as disparagement. he tweets out the word intelligence in quotes and hacking in quotes. does that raise any questions? >> he is towing a fine line here. mike rogers was the former head chairman who said i don't feel he disparaged it yet, but he is walking a thin line to do so. he would be wise to take the approach of trump today. he began by first saying i respect you guys. you guys are heroes.
i want to you know that from the out set. he proceeded to grill them with tough questions not about whether russia did this, it's indisputable. but he questioned the motives. that is the approach that the president-elect should take. what cotton did today. >> they will be talking about it in the final report. >> it strikes me as disparagement. there is a difference between being skeptical and disparaging. when you are calling them into question and putting intelligence in quotes and suggesting they are trying to build a case and they have preordained point of view that they can't back up, that seems disparaging. it's not that there aren't to your point, there are not problems that should be addressed, but it's how do you address them? typically you do that behind the scenes. you wouldn't humiliate them.
>> humiliate is the right word. what there has been from the incoming commander in chief is really a lack of respect for the work that these people do. we all know they are not always right. we remember wmd. the mistakes. ask the questions and be probing. get your daily briefs and ask questions during the daily briefs as presidents do and use that as a way to challenge intelligence on a daily basis, but don't draw conclusions first. >> do you find it odd the embrace of julian assange or the turn around? >> i do -- >> i think this boiled down to now it's a political issue. it was an intel issue, but now politics. what it looks like to the folks back home, obama said he took care of it or knew about it, but he didn't do anything about it.
in the wake of the election, you had such controversies and opportunities that the democrats took to delegitimize the election and now this seems like one more chapter of he's not my president. >> i don't think anybody does. let me say keep an eye on russia in the words of ronald reagan and trust, but verify everything. going forward and any agreement, this whole debate is political. >> it doesn't have to be. as president-elect, you shouldn't let it be. there are a bunch of democrats throwing marbles on the stairs and banana peels to stop donald trump. that's true. he is the president-elect and doesn't have to make that be more important than the count rye. it's starting to feel like he can't make a distinction between supporting the proest testers he doesn't like and defending
america. >> democrats are politicizing this, not the intel community. jim comey was good in this election. he upset democrats and republicans and did his job in the way he should have. someone i don't see as having political motive, you have to accept that. the 17 branches in the intelligence community are not trying to delegitimize the trump election. democrats are. >> can't there be a middle road that you can agree or believe that russia was behind the hacking and it went to the highest levels of government and they released information selectively and wanted to influence the election and also believe that donald trump won legitimately and is the legitimate president and it's not a hacking of the voting machines or anything like that. there is no evidence of that. democrats early on raise all sorts of spector of that. that did not occur as far as we
know. isn't there a middle ground? >> i think so. i am not unsympathetic to donald trump in making that argument. it can be construed to mean he wouldn't have won had it not been for the involvement of the russians. we doesn't want to believe that. he wants to believe he won on his own merit and there was no outside interference. i actually don't think that was one of the major factors in the election. perhaps he just doesn't want there to be a question. >> this is being politicized. john mccain and lindsey graham and republican who is agree about the russian hack, they are not trying to politicize it. they are trying to get to the bottom of it. they are republicans. >> trump knows that they swung the election team. he knows that or he wouldn't be racking the way he is. for 80,000 votes spread across three states, pennsylvania,
michigan and wisconsin, he would be at mar a lago playing golf and hillary clinton would be dealing with the crisis to come. he is acting like he knows because he does. >> i want to thank everyone on the panel. four african-american suspects are charged with hate crimes and kidnappings and torture of a white special needs teen live streamed over facebook by the people doing it. how it all happened and what president obama is saying about the video when we continue. i love my shop, but my back pain was making it hard to sleep and open up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.
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facing hate crime and kidnapping charges in the torture of a mentally challenged white teen. the bloody beating was streamed on facebook live while it was happening and went on for a long time. today chicago police called the attack sickening. president obama also weighed in on the case. >> in chicago in 85, you were there. i promise you race relations have not gotten worse, but what is true is in part because we see visuals of racial tensions, violence and so forth because of smart phones and the internet and the media. what we have seen is surfacing, a lot of the problems that have been there a long time. whether it's tensions between police and communities, whether it's hate crimes of a despicable sort that surfaced on facebook.
i take these things very seriously. >> as for the video, we warn you it is tough to watch. anna cabrera has the latest on the investigation. >> it's hard to watch. >> an 18-year-old with a mental disability tied up and cowering in the corner. his attackers hit and kick and even cut his hair with a knife until his scalp starts to bleed. >> the assault is streamed live on facebook. a woman who is reporting laughs as the victim is tortured. >> it appears he was in that physical position tied up for about or five hours.
>> two 18-year-old men and two women, one 18 and one 24 are now behind bars. the suspects are all african-american and the victim is white. the video is full of racially charged words. >> his diminished mental capacity and the fact that they tied him up. the obvious racial quotes on facebook and taken the totality of the circumstances. they sought the hate crime charges. >> the victim and one of the suspects jordan hill were friends. the incident began days earlier at this mcdonald's in the suburb of stream wood. the victim's mom dropped him off with them on new year's eve. his parents called police to file a missing persons report
because they couldn't reach their son and he was without his medication for days. >> police found the victim wandering this street on tuesday. they think he was bloodied and battered and was wearing a tank top and shorts and too distraught to speak. the assault happened about a block away. they erupted the assault and called police. >> the victim in this incident will recover from his injuries. >> what about motive? what are police saying about why all this happened? >> investigators believe it may have happened as a result of a playful fight that turned serious. based on the interviews with the victim and the suspects, they were hanging out for a couple of days. hill and this victim as friends.
when they linked up with the group at the residence where the attack happened, there was a fight or a confrontation that escalated. investigators say the women who tied up the victim allegedly and the rest of the horror that we witnessed unfolded. they do not believe the assault was premeditated. >> appreciate the update. going to legal analysts. a former d.c. assistant attorney for civil rights division. it's sickening and unfathomable. and to broadcast it live on facebook and one of the women talking about why she is not getting enough light while it's happening. >> it's shocking to think that somebody would first do this and then try to tell the world they have done it and glorify their actions. from a human perspective, you are horrified to see this. from the prosecutor's
perspective, this is great evidence to use. it's difficult to prove hate crimes. you have to prove bias and motive and the intent. here it's very clear. it's in front of you because you have this lack of remorse and this motive that is put before us. >> do hate crimes -- it's not a separate category and it adds to a criminal act. adds to a potential sentence, right? >> right. it's an enhancement. this would be a crime regardless of the racial or disability motive. it's not like they would get away if they didn't also charge hate crimes. it is basically a judgment by the legislature who said we think that crimes motivated by bias are even worse than crimes that are motivated by jealously or just anger or craziness. but it certainly will mean that
these four are likely to get longer sentences than if this facebook video did not exist. >> is this a slam dunk based on what police and prosecutors have said? >> from our eyes, we absolutely see a crime and there is a hate crime to it. there is a misconception when it comes to hate crimes. there is a misdirection or misbelief that you have to be a racial minority to be a victim for it to be a slam dunk. although the theories behind the legislation to protect, when there is a white victim, people have the misconception it won't be enforced as vigorously. >> jurors might view it differently than if the torturers were white. >> we see a case where that should not be the case and people should be as astounded and disgusted. just because the legislation or a law is meant to protect a particular group, it does not
immunize that group from prosecution. >> the fact that they are using racial terminology and talking about white people and donald trump and view him as representing everyone who supported donald trump. is that the clearest evidence of a hate crime? otherwise it could just be an attack on somebody with mental impairment. >> mental impairment also is a classification in chicago for a hate crime. the combination of both. people understand to be a hate crime, you may not have one motive. it could be a non-bias related thing and you have a hate element as well. it could be because of what his disability may be as well as his race and the combination most assuresly is a hate crime. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, i don't think a jury is going to get this case. this case is going to be pled out.
it is so horrific. any defense lawyer will want to keep this from a jury. i just think given the evidence in this case. >> what sort of punishment if there is a plea bargain, what punishment is likely? >> it will be many -- it is going to be a substantial number of years in prison. i think 10 is not out of the question. fortunately the victim here survived and is not going to have permanent injuries so it appears. that will limit the punishment to a certain extent, but given the magnitude and the publicity and how evil this crime is, it could be as long as 10 years. >> we will follow it closely, no doubt. thanks so much. just ahead, more breaking news. paul ryan said republican lawmakers will defund planned parenthood because it provides abortion services and also as donald trump pointed out
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suggesting that repealing it could jeopardize millions of jobs. let's start with planned parenthood. who is leading that charge and what's the impact? donald trump actually spoke favorably about some things about planned parenthood in the election. not the abortion services. >> he did and that will be a test for him when he is president. other leaders have wanted to do this for a long time. in 2015, they did. president obama vetoed this funding for planned parenthood, keeping it alive in the bill. if you remember back to the 16-day shut down in 2013, it was over funding planned parenthood and other things. paul ryan said that republicans intend to defund that. we are talking about $400 million or so. this is not about money, it's about ideology. planned parenthood provides abortion services and funding cannot be used for that, but
it's a statement they want to make. two key senators to keep an eye on. they are a posed to this. republicans would need to get them on board. this is one piece of the obamacare fight playing out. >> democrats have been critical for not having a plan to replace obamacare with. if they repeal it, one senator said there won't be a comprehensive replacement. >> that is john corn an, the number two republican in the senate from texas. he said they have no plan to replace the affordable care act with a big bill. instead they will do small bills piece by piece. they believe a big bill like the affordable care act will collapse under its own weight. this is another piece of the puzzle of the difficulty republicans have unraveling the bill. it will not be a bill replacing it, but a series of smaller bills that of course will not
please many people here on capitol hill. >> back with the panel. let's talk about planned parentho parenthood. how does it play for republican and democratic voters. >> this resonates with conservative base voters and not the broader public. the poll that came out last year after the planned parent hood videos came out, about 39% of the people wanted to defund. the thing about understand about the funding is it goes to reimbursing medicaid and going to the day to day running. it will affect poor women in terms of where they want to go and get health care. republicans will say they did this in the bill last time when they repealed or tried to repeal the funding for it. they want to ship the money to other services and community health centers that don't provide abortions. >> what do you think donald trump does here? he surprised a lot of people
during the primary season when some candidates were talking about defunding. >> he can push congressional republicans and they want to defund and i agree. donald trump can say you want to defund, fine, but it has to be paired with a bill that said you can be reimbursed at a clinic that are for breast screenings or pregnancy centers. he can say i'm with you and i don't like that they do 300,000 abortions a year, but let's ensure they have another place they can get the health care they currently get. >> to have it happen so soon, does it mobilize democrats some. >> yeah. >> it's weird. pop lifts like to be popular. planned parenthood is a beloved
organization. it's hard for people to know that in the deep passions of the conservative movement, but this is a popular organization and a lot of people relied on planned parenthood for so many things. by the way, you are starting to see a new woman's movement coming up. women who never have been political. women who never have been involved who don't like the word feminist are starring to feel like they need to speak out. i remember 1992 or 1991, right after that, one woman got insult and offended and harassed and you had the year of the woman where women came out in droves. that can happen. >> congressman kingston, is this a smart move? >> this is a philosophical belief. 300,000 abortions a year. in georgia alone, we have 274 women's health clinics that
don't do abortions and they are medicate eligible. for women who want birth control advice and gynecologist and anything they need from planned parenthood, they can get from one of the 274 clinics and there is no abortion debate. when they don't do abortions, if we give them money and they build a building that does house abortion operations and procedures, how is that money fundable? you can't make the money non-fundable i guess is what i'm saying. >> we don't give them money for buildings. there is no line item. through medicaid, we reimburse poor women. 21% of the counties in which they operate, they are the only center there. just so you know, 97% of what they do is non-abortion.
it is stds, cancer screening, it's just -- birth control. >> then why don't they just get out. if it's 3% of the budget, get out. >> you are condemning millions of poor women to having unwanted pregnancies or cancer or stds. >> let me say this. there is no debate about making sure women have ses to the services. we can agree on that, but abortions. >> that's not what this says. >> that's not sufficient. that's what i'm concerned about. >> that's not what this amendment says. this could be the first example of republican overreach. this is now part of the budget which is part of repealing obamacare. if they lose those two women in the senate, they are already
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more breaking news tonight. campaign pledge that you could almost set your watch by. campaign appearances there would come a moment in donald trump's speech when he would ask who is going to pay for the planned border wall with mexico. >> we are going to have a strong border. we are going to build the wall. it will be a real wall. a real wall. who is going to pay for the wall? mexico. >> who? >> mexico. >> by the way, 100%. >> well, now, house gop officials are telling cnn that the transition team has signaled congressional republican leaders the president-elect's preference is to fund the border wall through the appropriations process as soon as april. in other words, american taxpayers would pay for it. so will the panel if they're staying up late. gloria, i mean, again, that's all we know on this. not a lot of details. >> right. >> what do you make of it. >> well, i think it's kinds of
astonishing that they're now saying they want to fund the building of the wall through the appropriations process. and we have heard that mexico is going to pay for the wall. they want to do it in a spending bill according to the great reporting by diedra walsh and the interesting point here is i played a few steps forward that i'm almost envisioning in my mind the fact that the democrats could filibuster this or could try to shutdown the government over refusing to fund the wall. we could find ourselves in a situation in which the democrats then want to shut down the government, not to fund this. >> would this be a complete flip-flop. >> definitely want more information about it, i think. there was talk before about using some existing not to have to pass a whole new bill, that there was already some existing legislation that had passed for funding under the obama administration who actually believe it or not, was doing
quite a bit in terms of the border. so i definitely would want more information. if he actually does say we're going to pay for it and mexico is not paying for it, that would be a monumental flip-flop. >> i guess the middle ground would be we'll pay for it this way initially and down the road mexico will somehow reimburse. >> something of that nature. >> startup options. >> if you go on donald trump's campaign website, there's a rather detailed pdf where he talks about proposing a rule day one that would allow him to tax remittances. he's put forth a way in which mexico will partly or wholly pay for this. it was a major part of the campaign so i think more details. >> van, you've got a cheshire cat grin on you. >> maybe it's not a flip but it's certainly a flop. he put his name behind it. and now you've got people kind of coming around saying guess what, there's something called reality.
there is not a real way to make, quote unquote, mexico pay for it, not the mexican government. it may not be a flip-flop but it's a flop. >> let me say this, inside the republican mind, it's a divisible statemet. build the wall, let mexico pay for it. 90% of the statement is the first part. build the wall. the icing on the cake is letting mexico pay for it. republicans want the wall. and they will take the wall if it means paying for it because the benefits of keeping drugs out and keeping illegals out and potential terrorists out is better. >> to you mexico pay for it was only a small percentage of the overall -- >> i can tell you people weigh both parts of the sentence 50/50. i can promise you that. i can say this as callie said, there's going to be a lot of issues with mexico in the eight years ahead. and during that period of time, there will be an opportunity to get money back. but frankly, also as appropriator, i'd rather start
construction now. getting your permits and getting everything else is going to take a long time. if you get the money in this year's budget on a bill which hillary clinton actually voted for, by the way, hillary clinton among others voted for this bill to build the wall back in 2006. >> how are we going to pay for this? >> how are we not going to pay for it. >> there was a bill last year to enhance border security, a $10 billion bill that didn't go anywhere. >> the amazing rise we have seen in the stock market and prosperity that's coming. >> mit technology says a wall of this sort that trump has proposed will be $38 billion. and mexicans are only going to pay one pay so. neither am i. i'm getting a big fat tax cut under donald trump because i'm prosperous. it's the american middle class. that's who's going to pay for this wall, which by the way, jack, as you know, net migration is to mexico not from. it the wall will only slow down
their departure and perhaps mine. >> we pay for it and what is mexico going to say? we'll pick up the rest of the tab. i've gone out and seen the wall in san diego. 13-mile wall which democrats supported. and they love that wall. i'm talking about on the san diego side. they're saying it reduced drugs, it will reduce illegal immigration. it's been a good thing. the benefits of building a wall are still what republicans want. >> all right. much more ahead tonight. we've got more breaking news out of chicago on the beating suspects accused of a hate crime and streaming it all online. more on that ahead. i love my shop, but my back pain was making it hard to sleep and open up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve.
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