tv CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin CNN January 6, 2017 12:00pm-1:01pm PST
five people dead, eight people rush today ted to the hospitals. this happened in the baggage claim area of terminal 2. the issue is why this happened? they're trying to get to the motive of that. at some point we'll be able to talk to the suspect. the shooter who is in custody is alive and in custody. again five dead, 13 injured. all of this unfolding at fort lauderdale. the interesting piece though is it wasn't just over after that. we have seen a bit of chaos and confusion, several which you know -- chunks of people go in
and come out and then running out and additional reports of shots being fired at the airport. but i just talked to the mayor and she reports that it was just one shooter and one shooter only. let's talk to gary who was in terminal 3. gary, you are live on cnn tell me what you saw and heard. >> yes, i was in terminal 3, just off my plane from philadelphia and i am no longer art t at the airport. there were tons of different law enforcement officers, armored vehicles, police from every agassi i saw there, it was a very scary scene. there were people running and crying, and i wasn't aware of
what was going on, i thought the girl was just upset, but it turned out to be a much more serious situation and they started collecting people around bottle necking people around to get out of there but my ride came so i'm all safe and sound. >> you are one of the lucky few to get out of there. gary just quickly, did you say you did or you did not hear the pop pop pop of the gun? >> i did not hear any pop pop pop but i did see a will the of people running an scared and just as i was leaving the terminal 3 baggage claim area of the american airlines area and this allegedly happened in the baggage claim area of terminal 2, so i was a terminal away seeing what was going on from afar. >> gary, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thanks. >> rene, bring us up to speed.
what more do you know? i'm being told she's getting ready, so again as she gets ready, and get in my ear when she is, guys. we've been bouncing around to a couple of pictures. are these pictures on the right live? no. not on the right. >> so we are all clear, some time ago we saw a pretty good sized group of people rushing out on the tarmac where a lot of people are still sitting an waiting for further direction. rene marsh, what are you learned? >> reporter: what we have is the basics now, you had senator nelson on the air, the name of the shooter, cnn and our staff of reporters are here, multiple reporters have received the name name, again, estabon santiago.
we are trying to figure out did this individual come in on a flight, what cities was he traveling between? these are all questions we don't have at this point but know that the investigation is very much active an going on and zeroing on on this man, an we still don't have a lot of background information on him at this hour either, but as investigators are digging on his background they are essentially trying to figurs is so fresh i think we have information that we're going to have right now which is that latest number which is eight people in the hospital. we have as many as five people shot dead and we know that passengers were going through this process as being
re-screened. we heard multiple reports of potentially other shots fired in other sections of the airport. we don't have that confirmed at this hour so as i speak to you the only confirmation we have solidly from law enforcement on the ground that the shots fired at terminal 2 despite other reports. >> i'm going to bump the number up according the mayor. let's dip into this. >> as far as i know right now i guess there's still a suspect on the loose because the police -- >> how is the situation down there? >> right now i guess we don't know. they were telling everybody to evacuate the building. so i guess there are still suspects in the area. >> did you hear gunshots? yes i did. >> how many? >> two. >> what happened -- >> i don't know i left the area.
>> so how were you let out? what is like the response of the police? >> the police told management to tell everybody to leave the building and we all evacuated. >> your name. >> peter cruise. petci-e-t-c-i-u- p-e-t-c-i-u-z. >> people who were there witnesses including eric whiteside, you were on a plane an landed at fort lauderdale and it was your plane's baggage that was on the carousel? >> yeah, i'm told some of the passengers of my plane that were some of the victims. so my wife and i left and walking up the ramp and just
passed the checking gate when all a sudden everybody started running. i grabbed the kids and took off running down the ramp. told the flight attendant to let us off the tarmac, we ran to hide behind some luggage carts. >> how close did you get before you ran the other direction? how close were you to the shooting? >> maybe between where the baggage claim like where security is, these terminals are pretty small here, maybe like 50 yards from our gate to the -- where you walk in for security and it was right outside that. >> when did you realize something was very, very wrong? >> the minute i saw people just grab things and run like back towards the back and i mean when they finally let us back it was like a war zone in here,
suitcases everywhere, suit on the floor, hats in the middle of the ground. nothing that could be claimed. it was just a really surreal experience. >> stop, dropping whatever people had and running and so you ran with the rest of them. you ran with your little ones out to the tarmac? >> back out to the tarmac and we were out there for maybe a good 45 minutes an hour and then they let us in an just i guess maybe like another 20 minutes ago we had some armed security personnel and all a sudden they took off running again and everybody started freaking out an running again, but we're all in the terminal. they're not letting anybody leave. everybody seems to be calm now except for kids and those that don't know what was going on they don't understand. >> do you know what made people run back outside of the terminal? did you hear or see anything?
>> just saw everybody running, and so there must have been like another shooting at the parking garage. i'm looking out on the runway, and there's cops and personnel an balances. >> at the parking garage? >> yeah, outside the parking garage like out there on maybe be like the baggage claim to the terminal next to us. now it looks like the one next to us. >> the broward county said unconfirmed reports of another shots. >> how many people are outstanding around with you right now -- i'm sorry you said you were back inside. >> we're back in the terminal. there's easy 600 people in here. >> and they told you to sit tight? >> yeah, everybody sit tight and of course there's no workers or
anything around so there's no food to be had or anything else like that or you know if you want a drink or go to bathroom but they want everybody to sit down and be calm. but it's definitely a stressful situation. >> all right. cannot imagine being in your shoes with a family and the kids. eric thank you so much we are thinking about you and everyone there. thank you so much. boris sanchez is our correspondent who is there talking to us from the airport. boris i hear you have a passenger? >> reporter: yeah, we spoke with her moments ago, lori, you landed here about 15 minutes after the reports came in of shots being fired in the terminal behind us how did you find out this happen. >> we came down to the baggage terminal and we noticed it up on the screen on the television, we
understand it was in terminal 2, we were in terminal 1. >> how did you feel about that. >> we were not prepared when something happens like that and i started getting phone calls from family members. from that point we got your bags and couldn't get a taxi, and we were only here about ten minutes and pandemonium hit again and so it was quite scary. >> reporter: do you know what was going on? >> my understanding was that they were apprehending another person and reports that there were shots fired. >> reporter: we have reports that those were unconfirmed reports of additional shots
fired. >> they had everybody cleared off over by the main doors and cops there entering an exiting the door. >> reporter: you mentioned you're from columbus, ohio and a few weeks ago you had to deal with a terrorist act there. did you ever expect you would have to deal with another incident where people are running for lives in a panic like this? >> no, this is so unusual and even at ohio state, and columbus have been a very safe place for my family to live and so to have it happen twice in one month is a little overwhelming. >> reporter: thank you. brooke, i heard you ask the guest before how many people were stranded. if you look down just about as far as the terminal goes there are people with their families trying to keep their kids calm, that where the lights are, that's the entrance to fort lauderdale internal airport.
this is terminal 1 and behind us is terminal 2. the shooting happened on the lower level of that building over there in a baggage claim area. it's really far away but as the waves of people running and screaming and started running out of the terminals we have seen them gather just across -- >> we see. >> several hundred people just outside that hangar an we are watching more official vehicles pulling in right now with their lights flashing. things are certainly much calmer than they were just about an hour ago when those half dozen officers started running across the streets just over there. their long weapons drawn and then saw many more go into that parking trustructure, things apr to be calm right now but this is going to be a mess to clean up. >> thank you so much boris to
you an you crew, hundreds of people over there on the side of airport. duane is with me, i understand you're at the ticketing kocount what's going on? >> well, some of us are huddled in a back supply closet. we were all here in terminal 2 at delta when the shooting started and everybody just sk t scattered. it was mass hysteria and i was next in line to check my bag. i jumped over the counter once i realized it was shooting, and i asked her where the exit was, where do we get out, and she was just frozen and so i kept trying to get her to help us to safety and then there was like this door and it's like a supply closet like the smallest hotel
room you have ever been to and so right now we're trying to wait and see when they're going to let us out and but now we are hearing about an another active shooter -- >> on the note of the second shooter and i know in situations like this there's a lot of bad information thrown around but i can tell you we did talk to the mayor of broward county that said who believes it was just that one shooter who they have in custody. there were apparently unconfirmed reports of additional shots fired in the parking garage, duane are you still huddled in that closet? >> yes, but poking out every so often to see if it's clear,
because nobody wants to be locked in a one-way closet. the rumors are one thing but then when you see the police running an screaming and over the intercom they say shutter in place and stay calm, so that -- with the rumors when there's a second shooter -- i'm sorry shelter, i'm sorry shelter in place. >> no, that would be disconce disconcerting to anyone, and i would huddle in the closet with you, but are you getting any guidance from the airport what to do? >> very little very little. maybe two public comments over the intercom. i didn't hear anything said
about move, about 30 minutes after the shooting they sate stay calm, stay in place and now every so often police officers are coming around and saying who saw what trying to interview who saw something. >> how many people are in this closet with you? >> now it's just a couple of us because people are coming in and out because they don't want to be stuck in here, but when there's hysteria people are coming back to the closet. >> duane dickerson, thank you very much, hang tight. hopefully you can get out of there soon. thank you, sir, these are live pictures, you look at all these people scattered out on the tarmac. just sitting in the middle of the tarmac.
planes on the ground. we did see some planes take off a bit ago, but pretty much to me looks like a stand still. we're trying to put the pieces together. what happened, why and what it sounded like. let me toss to this piece of video at the time of the shooting. [ screams ] all right. so jonathan, phil, harry, all with much experience here sitting with me on set, you see
people, see bags strewn everywhere. >> clearly it begs the question about these unsecured areas, baggage areas, i go to israel. it's highly secure, you can't get near it and i'm afraid to say that maybe this horrible tragic incident may be a call that we're going to need additional security in these areas that we didn't have security. so it's unfortunate an a real tragedy. >> where do you set up the security perimeter. >> active shooter incidents, where do you set up your security perimeter. let's say you set up where you come in with your -- what if we make that a hard location an then -- there's got to be a
place where everybody is going to get together all right and make it to the airport with their luggage. in israel it's easy to do because it's a virtually small airport and country, look at canada, here, you have virtually thousands of people here running, even with the best protocol at fort lauderdale, you are going to have thousands of people taking off running. that's going to be very, very hard for you to be able to control. we're going to learn all lot fr this attack and protocol at other arirports. >> there will be a media briefing any minute from broward county. i have david on the with me.
he was at the baggage claim at fort lauderdale can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> first of all, are you still at the airport? >> i'm not. i think i got there -- i actually arrived about 12:40 and i walked into ground transportation and that was exactly when it happened and i had a ride pick me up, stuck in the traffic and everything but i was able to leave shortly after the chaos, so i was one of the lucky ones that got out somewhat quickly but was right in terminal 3 next to terminal 2 where it was happening. >> tell me what you saw. >> i walked from the second level down to the first level where ground transportation is with people running towards me screaming there's a shooter there's a shooter and i heard faint muffled sounds in the background i couldn't tell if it
was a shot being fired but could tell something was going on and the people running towards me were scared obviously and being shocked from that i when outside and tried to look to see what i could see from that area and really couldn't see anything except for the cops flying up and i had a woman hide behind me actually as i was kind of huddled in a corner hoping that no shots were going to be fired my way. the woman hid behind me and shortly after i walked around a little bit to see what was going on and seemed like security didn't know exactly what was going on. i actually saw a woman in security laughing to another person. didn't seem like the word had gotten out just yet and that's how early i had gotten there how simultaneously i got there, it was right in the middle of it and definitely scary, shocking.
>> of course the latest number we have is five who have been killed, 13 being treated at hospitals near. how long did you sit david with the woman behind the wall before you felt it was okay to get out of there? >> she walked away from me, she started walking the direction that everybody else was walking while i kind of viewed on to see what was happening. i'm not really sure which way i was supposed to go, but she walked away, i stood there about five to ten minutes trying to see what was going on. shortly after my ride was able to push through the line of cars, i was able to leave shortly after that, but it was about -- >> david i appreciate you jumping on the phone with me. i'm glad you're okay. frightening scene for hundreds if not thousands of people at
florida international airport. >> let me play more bits and pieces of video of someone who had been injured moments after those shots rang out. >> perhaps that was someone who was shot in or near outside. you can see some of the blood ton concrete with he or she being wheeled away. 13 being taken to area hospitals. former homeland security official is with us. julia, we haven't talked in a while. you have been watching all the coverage with us.
what are your thoughts? >> so, a couple things. i want to make clear that the name that has been stated that was stated by senator nelson ses essentially, what law enforcement needs to do is make sure that's that person. so there's several people with the same name so just in terms of how these investigations unfold people often carry false identification so we still do not know motive or have information that's that person so they still need to confirm that the person that they have in custody is the name of the person. >> who is tsa doing? a lot of what you are seeing right now, it's less chaotic
than it is and these things don't unfold perfectly and you are hearing from people who don't know what was going on, but the protocols, if it was a terrorist or a familial thing, it's a natural thing to run and hide. and so what we are looking at is quite chaotic, tsa is diverting flights. i'm just learning that flights are getting diverted to nearby airports. at some point they will need to validate whether the airport is secure. i expect a press conference is about to come up. >> actually i believe it is beginning right now, julia. let's listen.
>> good afternoon i'm with mark daily -- dale. shortly before 1:00 p.m. today we had an active shooter inside terminal 2, the lower level by baggage. the active shooter shot at least 13 people. eight people as i know right now are in air hospitals being treated. i don't know the degree of their injuries. five people have succumbed to their wounds and tragically are dead. we are not releasing any information on any of the victims until we identify them and we are able to respectfully identify next-of-kin. the investigation continues, we have s.w.a.t. teams and the broward county sheriff's office s.w.a.t. team moving through the
airport. right now we're taking -- this seen is considered fluid and active. one more critical piece of information is we have the shooter in custody. he's unharmed. no law enforcement fired any shots. the subject is being interviewed by a team of fbi agents and broward sheriff's office homicide detectives. there's been incredible cohesiveness and cooperative between the law entities. we'll answer the questions at the end. at this point i'm going to put the director of the airport on to tell you about what's going on at the airport then you will be hearing from mr. sack. >> thank you.
my name is eric dale, the director at the international airport. when the incident occurred, we suspended operations at the airport for the time being, working together with all the law enforcement to address all the needs and concerns of the passengers there are inside the buildings and on the planes. they are sheltered in place. we're not sure when they will reopen. we're going to get in contact with the other airports. as the sheriff indicated we're going to go step by step methodically before we reopen operations. we will keep everybody best informed through social media and our website and setting up a hotline for families an friends looking for folks they haven't been able to reach or be in contact with and we will
announce that through our website and social media. that's all i have for now. >> good afternoon. i'm the special agent in charge of the mimi field office. we are working very closely with the on going efforts here at the airport. working on witness interviews, as well as suspect interviews. the investigation is very early. we have a lot of preliminary information going through, but our role is to actively support the sheriff's office to make a determination about the nature of this incident. >> we heard a report of a shooting at terminal number 1. >> there's no confirmation of a shooting at terminal 1.
>> what happened? >> it seems somebody got injured evacuating. no indication of a shooting or anything like that. [ inaudible question ] >> we have no confirmation. no law firm at this time has confirmed there's been any gunshots other than fired at terminal 2. >> we saw another person being arrested -- [ inaudible ] >> we are reviewing tape. if someone was arrested it might be for a plethora of things. people could have been secured in handcuffs until we found out who they were and whether or not they were related to this scenario, but there's been no --
happened around the baggage area. one suspect only in custody. not releasing any information on the suspect. >> are you able to say what kind of weapon was used? >> no. >> an automatic? semiautomatic? >> we're not going to comment. the subject was arrested without incident. >> does it appear the shooter was waiting for somebody to arrive and then ambush them. >> we're at the beginning stages. that's what this is all about and at this point the lead on the investigation is with the broward sheriff's office. if we do uncover at some time this was related to some type of terrorist activity then the fbi will have complete command of this and we'll move forward the investigation. it is not the time for anybody to call 911 on this incident.
we're all here. if you have a real emergency of course but please keep the 911 lines open and if you need information you can follow us on twitter at sheriff. [ inaudible question ] >> twitter at broward sherisheb. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> at this time, not to my knowledge. >> is there a terrorism indication at all or too early? >> no, it's too early. that's what's going on right now. >> [ inaudible question ] >> i do know what flight, but we're not releasing any information until we can positively identify the victims and in a respectful dignified manner notify the next-of-kin. [ inaudible question ] >> no, we're not going to release -- [ inaudible question ] >> at this point it looks like he acted alone.
>> -- a second active shooter within the last 45 minutes -- >> at this point there's no second active shooter no victims suffering from gunshot wounds. we heard that information as well, it's not confirmed and right now we're here. >> [ inaudible question ] >> i'm sure they were looking for clearing parking lots. we have a variety of s.w.a.t. teams out and assets out clearing the entire airport to make sure it's safe, so just doing their job working hard and diligently. >> it's friday afternoon, about how busy was the airport, is this the busyest of the week given the height of tourist season? >> it's always busy, we're one of the fastest growing airports in the country. the terminals are very full, our passengers are sheltered in
place, we are working to get them released systemically terminal by terminal to make sure folks are able to exit safely. >> how many people are secured across the runway, in the terminal any estimate to that number? >> we have everybody in the terminals we have had some airplanes landed with people on board that have not been brought into the terminal building. it's possible those airplanes may actually depart and not come into the terminal building. but typically between 80 and 100,000 passengers. some decisions may be made not confirmed they may depart for other cities. we're going to go again very methodically before making any decisions and releasing additional passengers on top of those already still in the facility.
>> how many were in the terminal 2? >> i don't have that information. >> were thtypically in a baggag there could be hundreds, but i don't know. >> where did the passengers get that information? >> information through our website and also at flr flier. >> give us a timeline when to your knowledge did the shooting begin, where was the shooter at large inside the terminal. >> and where is he being interrogated. >> as i said just before 1:00. we're not going to give out any specific information about the logistics -- shortly there after almost immediately after the shooting. >> he was apprehended by a broward sheriff's department and
taken into custody without incident. >> did the gunman check the weapon through his luggage and fly here, land -- >> as i said before that's all part of an on going investigation. >> [ inaudible question ] >> i haven't gotten that far. all i know is the gunman is in custody, he's being interviewed by the team of fbi agents and broward sheriff's departments and at the time once we establish motive and the investigation continues and we find out what the motive is, we find out the director of the fbi will make a decision on who takes the lead on the investigation. >> did any deputies fire their weapons at this parking garage, is that possibly what was heard? >> i don't know what you heard, but there's no confirmation of
any gunshots in the parking garage at time of this horrific incident. i believe i know that information but it's not something we're going to release. >> can you say where he's being interrogated? >> where he is right now? i'm not sure. >> there was no other viable threat, second threat why would the airport -- after the first person was arrested and interrogated. why shut down the airport? >> i can't say say there was a viable threat. we have to clear the airport. it's a common sense approach. my concern not only with the families who lost, but the director of the fbi that until we believe this airport is a safe place, it won't be opened.
>> how many deputies at the airport at time of the shooting. >> i'm not sure. please follow us@broward shersh on twitter. >> what caused the investigation at terminal 1? >> i'm not sure. >> okay. so we just heard from the broward county sheriff there, the special agent in charge of the fbi, the airport manager, or director, rather, bottom line this shooter fired at least 13, killed, five, eight injured in the hospital, and what we also learned which was -- listen this is all initial information. he clarified that the shooter actually wasn't hit himself. that he was apprehended without incident. and wasn't wounded at all. he was actually taken in by a broward county sheriff's department. that's what we just got from the news conference. before i bring in these guys.
evan perez, let me go to you who has a little bit more on the shooter's identity. what do you know. >> reporter: that's right brooke, at this point it's all initial information. initially we heard there was an injury to the shooter and now the sheriff clarified it wasn't. so take that as you will with this information we are and to give to you, but we are told that the initial investigation has shown that the shooter santiago came in on a flight in a terminal earlier today. arrived at that terminal, checked firearms. was able to pick up his luggage, went into a bathroom and came out an started firing, so that's what the initial investigation at this point showing. law firm obviously has to do a lot of interviews on the flight of the people with him.
people still there retrieving their luggage waiting to get the taxis out of the lower level at the fort lauderdale airport but again this is the early information from investigators at the scene that he appears to have come on a flight from alaska in that same terminal prior to the shooting he retrieved his luggage where apparently he had checked firearms, went into a bathroom and emerged and started shooting. he didn't say anything according to witnesses. doesn't appear there was any ri rhyme or reason to the shooting. he killed five people is what the sheriff has confeirmed to u and we now know that this person came with these guns with his luggage which is what you're allowed to do, that he went into a bathroom after retrieving the firearms and came out shooting.
that's the latest we have, brooke. >> that's a stunning development. you may not know the answer. do we know how long he sat and waited at fort lauderdale before he pulled his gun out? >> we don't know. he would have arrived from the flight and waiting for his luggage and at that point he was able to retrieve his luggage, went into a bathroom and came out. we don't know how much time that took. that's something that law enforcement is going to put together from looking at the cct coverage and witnesses, we don't know exactly how long that took, brooke. >> evan, thank you so much. >> wow. >> this is a wow. never heard of this. >> i brought two handguns down to charleston, south carolina what you have to do you go to port authority police, check the weapon, permit, make sure everything is okay and
apparently anybody can do that who is licensed so if this man put this weapon in his luggage like that and whether or not he checked it. >> but could have done it totally lawfully in alaska. >> totally lawfully and then decide to do this. that rule is changing. >> you were in charleston? >> when you go to retrieve your baggage is there any sort of protocol? >> no. grab your bag and roll. >> there will be new legislation. >> yep. >> it's a game-changer at this point just that fact if that is correct, checking firearms is going to change moving forward. it almost has to. this is now a new perceived threat and it's unfortunate. >> just when you think of
everything we go through to get on a plane these days, right? shoes, liquids, searching to think that you know someone could grab a firearm and could place it in there lawfully if you fill out the proper paperwork and get to baggage claim and pull the gun out because there's no metal detectors. >> this is a loophole that needs to be completely changed. >> what about the fact that he was arrested without incident? speak in english that means? >> that he dropped the weapon as soon as he was confronted no police officer would have went in there when he was shooting and screamed drop that weapon. maybe he emptied his clip. we're talking at least 18 rounds were fired, he probably didn't hit everybody once or twice, so either he had an extended clip
on some type of handgun or automatic type weapon, ar15 or something like that. >> it's probably going to be some kind of a handgun. >> what should be noted and i think everyone will agree is that the first responding officers did a fantastic job by broward county, whether he put the gun down going in and stopping that threat, the first responding officers should absolutely commended for their actions. it's just -- everything else we have seen here this situation is dynamic, unknown, so law enforcement should really be commended. unfortunately we had five people killed, a lot of injuries but the fact they were able to get the suspect in custody without incident, very rapidly, upon rival should be commended. >> how often do you have like a mass casualty incident in which the shooter is unharmed? >> it's rare. they usually kill themselves or
they're confronted by law enforcement and shot. this is really -- apparently this guy didn't want to die. simple as that as soon as he was confronted by law enforcement he decided to drop his weapon or did he want to show something by doing it this way to speak or maybe he has an agenda, we don't know yet. >> i just got word, what actually went back and forthwith air traffic control as this was happening. >> thank you. we're having a building evacuation at terminal 2? evacuation at terminal 2? a building evacuation at terminal 2? >> yeah. >> just be advised there's people coming out of terminal 2.
>>. [ inaudible ] >> terminal 2, the terminal next door. it is under security at this point. what happened here right now, i don't know. right now the door is closed, we're going to stay seated. if i get any further information i'll let you know. but stay seated where you are right now. >> just getting a little bit more of some of the color between air traffic control, communication as the airport building was being evacuated what you can hear and from one of the many planes who had just landed trying to make sense of why they were seeing people running outside their plane windows. what evan just reported yard to this passenger who wleft alaska
and got on a plane with a firearm legally, you can apparently do that if you fill out the paperwork, and then grabbed his bag and went to the bathroom and grabbed his gun and came out and started firing. >> and when i was in south carolina i believe i was able to have 50 rounds. so if they want to change the law and to the point where you can't carry a weapon, because people go hunting all over the world with weapons, maybe they should limit it to no bullets allowed. >> what do you make of this stunning development? >> my take away was that the broward county sheriff said without any blinking that the fbi was leading the investigation, so that means that they have not -- that there
could be a federal violation which would include terrorism which he said they're not there to include or exclude it. which means from my conversations with people offline with people in government right now they are running a check on this name and nothing is coming up so we're still in the motive wait and see, we certainly can dismiss certain things, this wasn't a random active shooter case, right, this is someone who planned it. and we'll see what we can drill down both from the identification of the name as well as the person they have and whether those two things match. >> and the broud county sheriff's said a deputy arrested him and without incident and would you say not wounded so if he was compliant, dropped his weapon, that maybe at least led
you to believe maybe he would cooperate with law enforcement? >> not necessarily. someone who has planned at least from our reporting who has planned something this well, the strategy things happen during these events, even to the perpetrator to the criminal which they change mind. this may have been something as the rest of the panel was saying related to the gun itself. so whether he's talking or not, we simply would not know. the fbi is the big takeaway right now. this is not a local event. until they can verify that it is, so to speak, going to be state prosecution, the fbi will maintain control of the investigation. . mostly because if everything pans out this was an international flight. >> with regard to the airport, we heard the airport director juliet, say, closed until further notice. people on the tarmac, people inside. we talked to dwyane, who was
holed up in a closet near the delta counter, should there be more -- more guidance or how long could these people expect to be stuck? >> right. if they're watching i would expect a long time. look, this is an active shooter scene, things are still fluid. their primary goal right now is to protect the people there and to ensure there's no other culprits amongst the innocent, so to speak. so these are the protocols. this what is the -- sort of like homeland security, law enforcement training is about. and i have to say, even though it seems like a long time, it hasn't been that long. let's just -- in real time, this has just been a few hours. people just have to anticipate it will take a long time. talking about the protocols when i was at dhs working with tsa and faa the diversion of planes is well understood and happens whenever an airport is under any
type of threat and that is going to be for some time. you know, for some time in airport time which tends to be a couple hours, they will divert until everything is safe. that's just the nature of these cases. you know, it's going to be a little while and every airport across the world is now responding in kind and diverting flights away to other airports. >> juliette, thank you. turning over to my panel, mr. mayor, what do you think about as we think about nonsecured area, baggage claim, you know, do you foresee changes? >> i think there should be changes and it's an interesting thing. this is a tragedy, but, you know, the fact is he checked this weapon in, went through canada, came to ft. lauderdale. i asked law enforcement, i don't know what is the difference between that and someone just driving up with, god forbid an automatic weapon and walking into luggage area. you don't need to check your gun. >> that's what i thought happened in the beginning. >> you don't need to check a gun.
that's the big issue we have soft areas at airports, seaports, any area you have people coming together and we have to look for additional security because it's going to be very imperative. as far as what's going on at ft. lauderdale international airport, clearly miami international airport is open. i have to believe at some point some of these people will be diverted to miami international airport where they're brought down on buss to fly out from there or flights diverted to miami international airport. it's only 20, 30 minutes away. it's pretty close. >> what do you two snithink? >> these situations if you take a look back, an active shooter situation, unpredictable, dynamic and, you know, it it's -- this is a wake-up call to look at preparation. organizations, anywhere that is potentially a soft target, needs to start thinking about the big three, what are they going to do in a tactical situation, what are they going to do in a medical situation, because you have victims and a relocation situation. we've seen all three elements
here in this incident in itself. sort of a wake-up call to look at everything. >> yep. i actually have -- so many people as we mentioned, a lot of you are stuck on planes in the airport, in closets in the airport, not quite sure of what's happening. do we have someone on the plane? okay. actually let's go to boris sanchez. boris sanchez our correspondent there at the airport and who has been talking to a couple family members waiting for passengers. a lot of people very, very nervous and understandably so. boris, what are you seeing? >> hey, brooke. right now we're watching this broward county sheriff's office helicopter circling over our heads. a few moments ago we saw about a dozen hollywood police, tactical vehicles, going down the loop here at the airport. of course a city just south of ft. lauderdale. so the law enforcement presence has grown considerably since we last checked in with you. things are more calm now than they were even 20 or 30 minutes ago when there was a lot of confusion and we saw people
huddled. right now all the passengers that were on the runway have dissipated. i'm not sure where they've gone, but you mentioned the passengers that were stranded. there are still many of them here, sitting around, because they can't go anywhere. that's a davey police vehicle driving by us right now, davey a nearby city as well. so it is an all-out effort to get this scene completely under control. we heard from the broward county sheriff's office saying that this is still a very fluid situation. saying that reports of that second shooting earlier in the day are unconfirmed. so far unsubstantiated reports. it seems that people just saw these officers being mobilized and started running and other people started running and that's where things just got completely out of hand. a couple of important things to point out, brooke, when we heard from the sheriff, he essentially said that the shooter was taken into custody without incident. i got a chance to ask him if the shooter had, perhaps, a vehicle here at the airport that had been identified. he told me at that point they
still hadn't identified one, but that goes to what we were seeing earlier with so many officers in this parking garage just to my right, they were canvassing the entire parking garage. we saw some people running out of there in panic as we saw them go floor by floor. again, this is still a very fluid situation. the numbers where they stand right now, at least five people killed, eight people rushed to the hospital. no motive known yet. what we do know hearing from sources from evan perez, cnn's evan perez, is this man was apparently on an air canada flight that landed here at terminal 2 at ft. lauderdale airport, delta and air canada terminal. he apparently got his baggage, sources say he went to the rest room, apparently retrieved some kind of weapon, came outside and started shooting. again, the motive unclear. he is being questioned by federal investigators right now. so what we're seeing now is a calm scene, but again, brooke, the cleanup here is going to be
an extended process. it is going to be a while before we get a clear picture of exactly how and why this happened. >> yeah. boris, thank you so much. it is a stunning development, what evan is reporting about how this person checked, you know, legally checked, declared he had a weapon, checked it, and grabbed it out of his baggage at ft. lauderdale and went to the bathroom, grabbed it out and started shooting. i have three minutes left and in those three minutes in my show i want to talk to steve campen, i understand you are sitting on a plane right now. you lad taken this -- we watched the video of the flight attendant trying to explain what was going on. are you there at ft. lauderdale? >> i am, brooke. it's just surreal to hear that information coming in because i'm currently standing on the runway with hundreds of people outside of the terminal. i believe it's terminal 1. i fly in here often. we were on that plane. we were taxiing up to gate b8 and outside the window we saw people running, running away from the terminal which is,
obviously, alarming and a bit nerve-racking when you see people running away as your plane is taxiing up. we were kept on the plane for safety reasons for about i want to say 20 minutes or so. they eventually said grab your luggage, grab your belongings and led us through the gate and immediately down to the runway where they have kept us since that has happened and we are currently just out here on the runway standing a little -- in a little bit of drizzle, kind of all wondering exactly what is going on. a lot of confusion out here. here on the ground at the ft. lauderdale airport. >> steve, we're still looking at people running. we're still -- these are live pictures. we are still watching people on the tarmac running. do you see this from where you are? >> i don't. i'm near the southwest part of the -- the southwest airlines part of the airport. i cannot see that from where i am, but to hear that, is certainly not something sitting well for a lot of people out here where i'm standing it's relatively calm. people are on the phone with their loved ones trying to get a
little more information, telling them that they're okay, standing out here. as we look at just an unbelievable amount of law enforcement in the distance and the sheriff's helicopter hovering high above. circling over the airport. >> are you getting guidance on what to do? >> brooke, we've been told to basically stand in place. we've seen a couple airline employees come around and essentially say we're not flying out of here for the rest of the day. but at that point we're just being told to wait for more direction from law enforcement here on the scene. it's really airline personnel staff, maybe a couple tsa employees that are here kind of corralling everything where i currently am. it is calm where we are. i will tell you that. when we certainly landed from houston, we circled a couple times, which is a bit weird. i fly into this airport often. when we landed and saw people running away from the terminal -- >> you knew something was up. >> exactly. the phones went on at that point, we turned off the airplane mode and everybody's
phone was beeping or ringing. we were all getting information there had been a shooting and -- >> yeah. >> of course your heart sinks. >> of course it does. of course it does. steve, thank you so much for jumping on the phone, stay safe, stay calm. thank you. all three of you for being with me. we're going to pick up coverage with jim sciutto. "the lead" starts now. >> this is cnn breaking news. that's right. breaking news. a mass shooting at a busy florida airport. five people killed after a lone gunman opened fire at ft. lauderdale/hollywood international which we are told is now shut down. eight other people who were shot have been taken to the hospital. the broward county sheriff says the shooter is in custody. he was not hurt. he was arrested by police without incident. he is now being questioned both by the fbi and local law enforcement. i want to show you the scene inside that baggage claim.