tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 6, 2017 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
a friday afternoon, a man got a gun out of his checked back and killed five people and injured eight others. the gunman is in custody. one witness said the gunman shot indiscriminately and at point-blank range. you'll hear from that witness and others over the next two hours. the shooting set off chaos out of the airport of people running for cover out onto the tarmac. you'll hear what we know about the suspect. it's generally our policy not to give mass shooters any infamy they may be seeking. in this case it is early in the investigation. authorities are still seeking information about the suspect. so we'll use his name and picture but sparingly. the suspect has been identified
as esteban santiago. former army national guard member who according to officials showed up at an fbi office in alaska a few months ago and said he was hearing voices. we should note the mayor of broward county, florida, has raised doubt about whether that is, in fact, the suspect's name. we'll speak with her more more information in a moment. first our boris sanchez has been reporting outside the airport and joins me now. a horrific day at ft. lauderdale. what's the latest tonight? >> reporter: we're watching passengers finally being allowed to leave. there are dozens of them now being loaded onto these buses you see here just to the left. so finally they're being allowed to go home after several hours of being stuck inside that terminal with hundreds of heavily armed law enforcement present and all around canva canvassing the scene. we are learning more about the shooter. a few moments ago we got confirmation that in the past the shooter had purchased two
glock pistols, one of them a glock 9, the other a glock 40, though it's unclear if those were the weapons he used in this attack. apparently he had been on a flight from alaska to ft. lauderdale. one witness told cnn that they had some kind of an altercation on the flight. the shooter had an altercation on the flight. once they landed he retrieved his baggage. he went to a restroom, took out the weapon and opened fire, wreaking havoc on ft. lauderdal/hollywood international airport, even after the shooting seemed to be over and there were law enforcement around this area, excuse me, speaking with passengers here, there were other false reports, rumors of another shooting that caused panic and people to scream and run for the runways. we saw law enforcement also being mobilized into these parking garages to try to canvass the scene. i've spoken to several people
here who told me it was a harrowing day. other passengers didn't want to talk to us. it was a day they will not soon forget. >> we talked to a number of people who witnessed the shooting. we'll hear from them over the next two hours. are police letting passengers back inside the airport yet? are flights taking off? >> reporter: we haven't seen any flights take off since we arrived here shortly before 2:00 p.m. and pretty much since about that time no one could get in or out of the airport. we've been standing here for several hours and i didn't see any cars but armored vehicles or official vehicles going in or out. just about an hour ago i started seeing what appeared to be civilian cars coming in, perhaps people to pick up relatives here at the airport. but the flow of traffic right now in ft. lauderdale airport is out. they want all these people out of here so they can canvass the scene. a lot of them frankly couldn't wait to get out of here. there were so many people standing outside not only
terminal two but also terminal one because the entire airport was shut down the entire day, stranded passengers trying to console their children and figure out what was going on. there was chaos and confusion. i'm sure a lot of these folks are looking forward to being home. >> boris sanchez, appreciate that. the shooting and its aftermath made for hours of chaos obviously at the airport. randi kaye reports on the time line and what we know. >> it's just before 1:00 p.m. when a gunman opens fire at ft. lauderdal/hollywood international airport. he's inside baggage claim. >> he was shooting people down on the ground too. >> he says they tried to help the victims. >> my wife helped someone who had been shot in the head.
all the people had been shot in head. the man next to him had no vital signs. he was gone. >> reporter: another witness tells cnn his plane had just landed and some victims were his fellow passengers. >> everybody started running, i grabbed our kids and we took off running down the ramp. we ran onto the tarmac to hide behind luggage cars. it was like a war zone. >> reporter: the airport was immediately shut down. all passengers are evacuated. they run to the tarmac in search of safety. authorities quickly zero in on the suspect. >> we have this shooter in custody. he's unharmed. no law enforcement fired any shots. >> reporter: apprehended but not before these horrifying moments. by now, it's 1:43 p.m. and the broward county shall have's office tweets that multiple
people are dead. some lucky enough to be alive are left bleeding. someone posted video of this passenger being treated on the sidewalk. by 2:00 p.m., the official count is three dead. minutes later it's up to five dead. at least eight are injured. by midafternoon, florida's senior senator says the tsa has told him to who did this. >> the shooter is esteban santiago. he had a military i.d. we don't know if that is an accurate i.d. or if it is a current i.d. >> reporter: but it's not over. about 2:20 p.m., word of more gunfire. police are seen scrambling on the tarmac and near the parking garage. once again passengers spill onto the tarmac. others duck behind parked cars. >> everybody just sprinted outside again. and so we just ran out again. i honestly don't know what's happening. >> reporter: at 2:33 p.m., a
tweet from the tsa, active shooter at ffl. shelter in place. airport closed. sniper teams are put on alert. >> we have a variety of s.w.a.t. teams out and assets out clearing the entire airport. >> reporter: no other gunman is found. >> at this point it looks like he acted alone. there's no second active shooter. >> reporter: officials won't say if the suspect is targeting someone on an arriving flight or if he's cooperating. randy kaye, cnn, new york. >> joining me with more, evan perez. what can you tell us about how this happened? >> anderson, one of the most interesting things is what happens after one of these incidents is you have witness statements and, you know, you spend a lot of time, especially investigators there on the ground, spending a lot of time trying to corroborate. at this point we're told that they have not been able to corroborate this idea that there was an altercation on the plane. they still have these witness statements and report that there might have been some kind of
altercation on the aircraft on one of the legs of this aircraft. apparently this was a connecting flight from alaska into ft. lauderdale. they have not yet been able to corroborate whether or not this was anything that happened on this aircraft. and really one of the things that you call attention to in this case is that if there had been anything significant that security would certainly have met this aircraft at the airport when it landed, and that did not happen in this case. so that tells us that if there had been something, it wasn't a big deal necessarily, at least not in the eyes of the aircraft crew. the airline there. so that's something that investigators are still looking into. then there's the second part of this, which is the mental health picture, anderson, which, you know, in this case, you know, you try to get into the motivation of the suspect. we're told that he did go to the fbi office in anchorage, alaska, a couple months ago. he reported to his friends that he was hearing voices, and he told the fbi that an
intelligence agency was telling them to watch isis videos. apparently, some of the people around him heard him say he wanted to join isis, again, based on these voices he was hearing. the fbi took a look at him, they looked at his background, they didn't find anything to corroborate, anything indicating a radicalization or extremist background. they saw his military background, and they decided to call the local authorities who took him to the local hospital and there he had a mental evaluation. we don't know what happened next. we only know that this is really the only significant interaction that we have between him and law enforcement. now, the fbi is going back to see if there's anything more that could have been done here. obviously he traveled from alaska with this gun, with a handgun, checked in his luggage, and then he opened fire after he landed in ft. lauderdale. >> is that something anybody can do, like check a gun or gun with bullets into your checked luggage? >> it really is. obviously the goal of the airport security is to keep guns
out of the airplane, the part where the passengers are sitting. in this case, what you can do is you go to the tsa, go to the airline and there's a procedure, you have special types of cases that you can use to travel with guns in checked luggage. they make sure that the gun is separated from the ammunition. that would have been done in this case. it appears everything was done according to the rules and regulations. and it's when he landed in ft. lauderdale, he retrieved his bag, and then he went to the bathroom according to some witness statements that the fbi and broward sheriff's office have collected and returned and opened fire. >> there has been some conflicting information, especially late today, about who this shooter is. >> that's right. we've heard from -- i think you're about to talk to the local mayor who has raised that question. we've checked with law enforcement officials. this is the name that they have and they've been checking it with the military, because obviously he served in the
alaska national guard in the past. they're checking with back in puerto rico where he also served as well as with law enforcement elsewhere in florida where there is some past history of him living. so, again, this is what they're working with at this point. if they provide a new i.d., that will then update it. but at this point the identification he had on him including a puerto rican identification card and his military card i.d. from alaska, all indicate that this is his name. this is something that law enforcement is still working on. >> in terms of motive, do investigators, are they defining this as an act of terrorism? can if you define terrorism as violence with a political or religious or social agenda. >> right. at this point they have not found any indication that ties it to terrorism. again, the mental health aspect is i think one of the things that is really the overriding concern here.
is there anything that could have been done to flag him so that he couldn't fly on an aircraft with checked luggage with this firearm. again, that's the big part of this right now that is being worked on. they have not ruled out terrorism, but right now no indications that that's the motivation. >> appreciate that. joining me on the phone is broward county mayor barbara sharief. thanks for being with us. do you have any more information about, you know, how this happened, why this happened? >> first of all, let me start, anderson, by saying that our thoughts and prayers are the with the victims and their families and those who are hospitalized and trying to get through this. we understand that this is a very difficult time. my job is not going to be to comment on any of the details of the fbi investigation. like i said before, there are some things we are not certain of. what i can tell you right now is that at our airport we are focusing on the operations and
trying to get people out of that airport continuously and to get them to where they need to go. we have approximately over 20 planes that are on the tarmac as well as toempb that weover ten the gates when lockdown occurred. we are focused on getting the passengers out of the airport and into our terminal four and our port everglades. there are passengers who have cars at the airport who are trying to leave, and we are now -- we've cleared all the garages in terminal three and four and allowing those passengers who have cars at the airport to leave at this time. those who do not have cars, we are transporting them by bus to our terminal four at our port everglades cruise terminal for pickup by their family members or to get taxis. >> i want to to ask you about something you said earlier on cnn, that authorities were trying to reverify the identity of the shooter. have they been able to do that as far as you know? is the shooter in fact this man
who's been identified? >> once the fbi took over the investigation they asked me not to comment on that any further. and so they're doing their due diligence at this time. what i can tell you is that we were told that that was not something that they were 100% sure of about all his identifying attributes and they are going to continue to investigation that, because it's an ongoing investigation, i can not, you know, confirm that. >> in terms of the men and women, the people who were wounded in the attack, any updates on their conditions? >> at this time, they're not allowing us to release any of the information on the victims because some of the family members have not been reached as of yet. >> understandable. >> and so at this time we're not going to do that. >> i appreciate you talking to us, mayor, and i'm sorry for just all of this. just a tragic day for the community. thank you so much. minutes before we came on
the air i spoke with a witness who is one of the lucky ones in an extraordinary way. he says the laptop in his backpack saved his life. we'll hear that conversation next. also ahead, more breaking news. on the same day the president-elect gets an intelligence briefing the u.s. intelligence community releases a report on the russian hack saying russian president vladimir putin ordered a campaign to influence the election to hurt hillary clinton and to favor donald trump. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's complete with key nutrients we may need. plus it supports bone health with calcium and vitamin d. one a day women's in gummies and tablets. [vo] quickbooks introduces he teaches lessons to stanley... and that's kind of it right now. but rodney knew just what to do...he got quickbooks. it organizes all his accounts, so he knows where he stands in an instant. ahhh...that's a profit. which gave him the idea to spend a little cash on some brilliant marketing! ha, clever.
a ft. lauderdale airport, five people dead, eight people in the hospital. i spoke with an eyewitness, someone lucky to be alive. his name is steve frapier. says a laptop in his backpack saved his life. steve, when did you realize something was going on and what did you hear and see? >> at the baggage claim area there was a sound of popping firecrackers. a man yelled out very near us saying that guy's got a gun,
everybody down. then i knew something was going to happen. >> at this point you dropped down? >> correct. so all of us that were waiting for our baggage, we hit the floor. >> how far away was the man who yelled that and did you see the shooter at all? >> i saw the shooter. i didn't see the man that was yelling. i was at the end of it. most of p the people and the victims, too, were by the beginning where the luggage was. but just moments before i decided to move away from the crowd toward the end of the conveyor belt. so i heard the man nearby and i didn't see the shooter until a couple of moments after. >> so what happened? you dropped to the ground. then what? >> i dropped to the ground. i heard more of the popping sound. and then while i'm on the floor at my level and seeing people getting hit.
>> you actually saw that. >> i saw that. there was a man probably ten feet away from me that was shot in the head and his wife, you know, collapsed on top of him. >> was he shot when he was standing up or was he on the floor as well? >> we were all on the floor. >> the shooter just went over and shot somebody laying down on the floor? >> it was from a safe distance. is the shooter was not necessarily walking around the baggage claim area. he was several feet away from many of us. he hit that man. >> was he saying anything at all before or during the shooting? >> she said absolutely nothing. he said absolutely nothing. the entire area was completely silent and we could just hear the popping of the gun.
>> you remember the silence? >> the people screaming might have been the people hurt or people that were next to someone, you know, or a loved one that was hit. >> i understand you had a backpack with you. that saved you or may have saved you. what happened? >> the backpack saved my life. i was wearing a backpack on both shoulders and then when we went to the floor i just, i tropped and the backpack was still on my back and i was turned in touch is way that at one point when the shooter shot toward my direction there were several other people around me, there was a bullet that ricocheted and i did not know this until after the -- until much later. i felt something hit my back, and i turned around because the luggage was still coming.
there was luggage falling on top of me too and i thought it was just luggage at that time. it was only later when i go to the bathroom to check myself out that the bullet had entered my backpack, hit my laptop, and then later when i gave my bag over to the fbi for investigation they found the bullet in the pocket of my backpa backpack. >> that's incredible. your laptop stopped the bullet. >> the lap top and i believe too the backpack so the laptop, the plastic case and all of that combination because it was on the ground like a tortoise, you know weather the backpack on me. the way it ricocheted and entered my bag, that would have been my back. >> we're showing a picture of the laptop. it looked like it was hit in the corner or the side. >> yes. yep. and the strange thing, too, is that in the rush to get off the plane i just kind of shoved my
laptop into by backpack and it was opened very slightly. later when they were searching the backpack they were looking for the entry point and it turns out it hit just so through the open backpack actually ran through the top and the casing and into an superior pocket of the backpack. ? and they actually recovered the bullet from inside -- >> they recovered the bull fret the side pocket of my backpack. >> gosh, you were lucky. >> yeah. >> so you were shot at, almost hit. then what happened? >> and then the same man -- and this man is the guy that i think saved so many of us, who, whichever bystander was near the conveyor belt, he called out later saying stay down, he's still here. there was a point where people were getting up to walk away and he yelled out again he's coming
back. and so there was some guide off in the near distance that i couldn't see, you know, that was coaching us through what we needed to do. there were several dozen of us on the floor there. then there was a certain point where law enforcement came and kind of dissipated the scene. so i was walking around the airport for several minutes with that bull net my backpack not even knowing that it was there. until later after they were searching me. >> do you have a sense of how long this shooting went on for? i understand he had several magazines that he was able to eject one, i think put two more in. >> i saw the gun and it was an m gun, so i was thinking how are there several dozen bullets in this handgun? he had obviously a couple magazines with him. i think all of this was over and done with maybe in 90 seconds. >> wow. >> it was -- it was not any
extended period of time. >> i'm so sorry for what you have gone through and what you witnessed today and obviously for all those who have been injured who lost their lives and their families. i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. i don't know. take care of yourself the next couple days, dude. >> thank you very much. >> all right. >> incredible experience. up next, what president obama is saying about the shooting, plus some insight on how investigators weather on uncovering the motive. ng means g tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the only brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp. so we sent that sample i doff to ancestry. i was from ethnically. my ancestry dna results are that i am 26% nigerian. i am just trying to learn as much as i can
five people killed, eight wounded in the shooting at ft. lauderdale airport. the suspected gunman in custody. here's what president obama said about the shooting tonight in an interview with abc news. >> i don't want to comment on it other than just to say how heartbroken we are for the families who have been affected. these kinds of tragedies have happened too often during the eight years that i've been president. the pain, the grief, the shock that they must be going through is enormous. i've asked my staff to reach out
to the mayor down there and make sure the coordination between state and local officials is what it should be. but i think we'll find out over the next 24 hours how this happened and what motivated with this. >> our panel joining us. tom, if you can just take us inside an investigation like this, the shooter, what are they looking for to determine a motive and how much is motive a critical factor right now to determine? >> right now, anderson, the first thing they'll want to try and verify is that there's no one else involved, no one else that maybe gave them the weapon or encouraged him to do this or he's been in communication with from another organization, whether it be domestic or
international. then they'll do what they normally do, examine all the social media postings, anything off his computer, conduct searches at his residences, contact friends, colleagues, co-workers, anybody they can find that would know something about him that may have heard him say what he was going to do and why he was going to do it. >> phil, according to evans reporting, this shooter claimed to have been hearing voices in his head, telling him to join isis, showed up in an fbi office. when investigating the shooting, what are the first things you're looking for to see if, in fact, he acted alone or to get to that question of motive if there was some sort of terrorism connection? >> well, let's take one thing off the table, anderson. walking up to a federal building, in this case an fbi office with voices in your head is not an opportunity for an investigation. that's an opportunity for a referral to a mental health clinic.
the first question is whether there's other people. when you get beyond that, about motivation, i'd be looking at who's on the plane, what happened when the shooting took place, who are his friends, family, and associates, all those are interviews. i want to interview the people who were in his military unit to see what he said there so those are all personal contacts. the second major category is digital. i want his cell phone, his laptop, what he said on facebook, what he searched on google. i fear at the end of the day the uncomfortable conclusion is going to be this is another instance of someone with mental health problems who had a weapon and there's not much we're going to do about it and it's difficult to discern a clear motivation. >> julia, so often in these incidences there are early reports of multiple shooters and we've seen this time and time genl. people say they've heard -- seen different people in different locations and oftentimes as it is investigated it turns out just to be the fog of war, the
confusion of multiple eyewitnesses seeing things from multiple angles. there's no evidence at this point that there was anybody else involved with this even though early on people inside the airport were told there's another shooter or may be. >> exactly right. the eyewitness accounts are often the fog of war. people are hearing different things, they just may not know what they're hearing. law enforcement is getting different reports so they're getting reports from people and so law enforcement doing the intake, they don't know necessarily where those sort of testimonials are coming from. so that explains the couple hour delay. i know it looked sort of, you know, oh, it looked like chaos. it really wasn't. it explained the delay in sort of having a lockdown, making sure no one moves, making sure they had everyone accounted for that there was no one else who might be trying to cause harm. and then you have a slow evacuation and ultimately hopefully an opening of an
airport. so it's understandable those different accounts but as we have seen happened in orlando, happened in arlington and during the search as often is the case, multiple accounts and they have to be sort of drilled down and then people are a sense of what is going on. >> everybody has to be searched for any other weapons. david, when it comes to security, you can't make everything secure. there are soft parts and the baggage claim is one of them. >> that is a vulnerable spot. it's interesting to point out the last time there was a gunman attack in a baggage claim area was in israel in 1972. it's been quite a while since anything like this has occurred. in that case, there were three gunmen. >> tom, the fact that he went
into an fbi office, talking about voices in his head, telling him perhaps to join isis, as phil said that's not something that's going to prompt investigation. local law enforcement were novembered and he was take on the a mental health facility. people probably do that more often than we would expect. >> they do it a lot. that's not just fbi offices. other law enforcement agencies, local police departments have this all the time. people walk in, report that, you know, somebody's in their head or doing crazy things. and they try to get them some type of mental health referral. that's not something the fbi can do and lock up. can you imagine the civil rights groups if the fbi said from now on when somebody talks something that we think is crazy we'll lock them up, put them in some kind of facility. it's just not going to happen. >> julia, if it turns out to be mental health issues, you know, there are conflicting rights
here. the right of an individual versus the right of security for everybody else. there's only so much families can do to take care of somebody who has severe mental health issues. >> it looks like he did everything lawful. he got his gun and the ammunition were separated, they were checked. if he was in possession of those weapons before the mental illnesses showed themselves he would have been registered to have them anyway. this is why people in our community of your panel talk about engaging family members, community members so they can identify mental health illness, get the help they need and also in this case, will there's no blame here, but if there's things we can learn, were there ways in which whatever possible conflict was going on, is there something that happened on the plane or in baggage claim that escalated this. can we train airport officials to de-escalate these issues.
there's soft targets and lots to of guns in this country and until we do something essentially about both we'll have cases like this. >> i want to thank everybody on the panel. we'll talk to more eyewitnesses who saw the gunman during the shooting and are lucky to be alive. u.s. intelligence agencies say president putin carried out a campaign. the details of the report are ahead. all finished. umm... you wouldn't want your painter to quit part way. i think you missed a spot. so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? aleve, live whole not part. painter: you want this color over the whole house?
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the looupt says in their opinion vladimir putin influenced the campaign to help president-elect trump in the election. the report by president obama is the first public accounting by intelligence agencies of russian hacking during the 2016 election. here's what president obama told abc news earlier. >> what is true is that the russians intended to meddle and they meddled. vladimir putin is not on our team. >> the top intelligence officials briefed president-elect trump for over an hour on their findings. after the meeting, trump down played the information and said there's no way russia affected the election's outcome. first jim sciutto reports on the findings.
>> reporter: tonight a declassified version of the intelligence community's report on russian hacking concluded that "putin and the russian government developed a clear preference for president-elect trump. russian president puten ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the u.s. presidential election. russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the u.s. democratic process, denigrate secretary clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency." the russians' assault on the u.s. election used several different techniques blending, quote, covert intelligence operations such as cyber activity with overt efforts by russian government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediarie intermediaries, and paid social media users, or trolls, declaring that, quote, russian military intelligence used a 2.0 persona and dc leaks dotcom to release u.s. victim data
obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to wikileaks. it also says, quo, when it appeared to moscow that secretary clinton was likely to win the election, the russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency. the report goes on to state, quote, russia's intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with both major u.s. political parties. but only the data stolen from democrats was ever released publicly. the assessment confirmed hacking was not involved in vote tallying. >> jim sciutto joins us now. they're saying that both parties had their information hacked. only the dnc stuff was released. >> absolutely. anderson, this is key because you've heard from trump himself and from trump surrogates saying the only reason that the information came out about the democrats and only the democrats is because only the democrats were successfully hacked. but this report actually belies
that. it says that both parties were targeted, both were hacked but it was only one party that the material was released to the public and strategically leading up to the election amend that is one of the main reasons, anderson, that the intelligence community concluded that the intention here was to weaken hillary clinton and help donald trump. >> jim sciutto, appreciate it. again, president-elect trump is downplaying the intelligence reports finding in a statement he issued after meeting for more than an hour after intel officials who walked him through the evidence, jim acosta joining us now from trump tower. you just spoke with a senior transition official. what did they tell you about the meeting? >> reporter: they said that this meeting was not contentious, that it was cordial, there was no yelling, and donald trump asked questions and received new information. and the transition is saying based on that presentation they received from intelligence community officials they do concede, believe that this hacking operations intent was to
discredit hillary clinton. but they are pushing back on this notion that it was pro trump and they point out, a senior transition official points out one piece of information they picked up at this meeting that the hacking operation began in late 2015, early 2016, based on that information, the senior transition official told me the question is how could that have been a pro trump operation when he wasn't even the likely nominee at that point. this official went on to say there were problems with the fbi's investigation over at the dnc. you'll recall we've been reporting this, that the fbi tried to go to the dnc, get access to those servers, that they really didn't get that access that they wanted, and the senior transition official said it was asked of these intelligence community officials earlier today had the dnc been more cooperative, more forthcoming with this information weather the fbi, might that have made a difference and the answer given was well, there were a lot of things that could have made a difference. >> vice president-elect pence
talked to reporters today. what did he say? >> reporter: he did. he said -- it was basically a vow in the early days of this new administration that's coming and mike pence said that the trump administration will be aggressive when it comes to going after cyberattackers, that does sort of back up that statement that we got earlier in the day from the president-elect himself vowing that in 90 days he's going to get a report from his team basically giving them some guidance on where to go next with all of this. so we should set our calendars now, anderson. 90 days from now the new trump administration is saying they will have a report laying out what they're going to co-about cyberattackers. >> 90 days. jim acosta, thanks very much. coming up, the panel's take on president-elect trump's reaction to the intelligence report, downplaying the findings and insisting russia's actions had no effect on the election itself. plus the deadly shooting in ft. lauderdale's airport. we're expecting news conference
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well, busy night of breaking news. we're waiting for a news conference that should be getting under way now any minute. the other story we're following, the intelligence report released saying that russian president putin ordered seeker attacks to hurt hillary clinton. "new york times" presidential correspondent maggie haberman. josh rogin and michael sheer. meagan, i know you spoke to people in president-elect trump's camp after the intelligence briefing. what did they say? >> essentially, the
president-elect is never going to come easily to the idea that he didn't come to winning this election without an asterisk by it. there's the evidence that he saw and the evidence we saw. i think it's going to take a while to see whether donald trump will actually say that he accepts the russians were meddling in this lelection as president obama has said and the intelligence community has said and that it could have had some impact, but he is not in a position from what i've heard so far is that he is ready to say that is the case. >> even if he came away as jim acosta saying that people in the trump transition believe okay, they admit russia had a thing, but they don't admit it had any impact. >> it's the middle ground that his transition team said, and it
was in this statement put out right afterwards, but what you hear from his own mouth is perhaps going to be different. i think it is going to take him a hewhile to get there. what he says is different than his advisers. >> take us through what he told you. >> right, so keep in mind, this is before he met with the intelligence leaders, and, you know, i essentially was asking him, was he looking forward to this meeting? what was he expecting to hear? and honestly, i didn't have to ask hem much. it sort of poured out of him. he really expressed again, this skepticism that's been showing for weeks since the election, you know, called it a political witch hunt, said that the whole focus on russia was unfair to him. he cited all these other instances of hacking by north korea and china and others and said why aren't we paying attention to those more.
i think maggie is right. ultimately, he is of the belief that this entire conversation about russian hacking into the election undermines his legitimacy as president, and that's really hard for him to accept, as maggie said, that there's an as strifx or that people aren't going to accept h him as the rightful president. but as maggie says, until we hear it from his own voice, and maybe we will at the press conference next week that he's having. until we hear it that, he's going to be skeptical. >> you have president-elect trump saying what he said and president obama saying vladimir putin is not on our team, you could not have a more diametrically opposed position. >> basically the completion of donald trump on this issue. all the evidence we're going to get is out. if he's monot convinced by now,
he's not going to be convinced. and now you have the intelligence all in the opposite direction. going forward, there's going to be a huge drive inside the government, the congress. it's ongoing, it's in europe. it's not going to stop. swroe we have to respond. and the president-elect has no interest in being a part of any of that. >> we heard from vice president elect pence saying we're going to be tough on this when we take office, and yet, there's plenty of people on team trump, on the transition team who publicly are saying, are echoing exactly what donald trump is saying. >> you have a split in donald trump's camp as you have at various points throughout his campaign and transition. there are people like michael
flynn who are very distryustful of the intelligence community and then people who don't see how ultimately this is serving him well. you saw them mention dan coats as the director eor of the offf national intelligence. that was meant to signal they're not doing a wholesale change right away. but it's not clear how many people will hear it that way, because there are conflicting signals coming out. what trump says on any given day can change the next day. >> i got to say, i mean, you know, we've seen a lot of tweets from president-elect trump. i was surprised by this morning's tweet where he's going, i think it was two tweets about the ratings for "the
apprentice", and arnold schwarzenegger. it just seems to me incredible that the president-elect cares p about the ratings of a stupid tv show he used to be on, but now somebody else's on and he's still the executive producer of. >> it was an odd series of tweets pause he was condemning and mocking the show that he himself is the producer of. there was speculation that maybe he's trying to goose the ratings by creating a controversy around it. but the thing about donald trump's tweets that we as the media have to recognize is that they fall into different cat dpoe -- categories. when he tweets about something that is not important we should mention them or move on or mott. and when he mentions something that is important, like nuclear weapons or russia or something
th legitimately that qualifies forness. >> maybe >> for me, it says he's supposed to be the most powerful guy on the planet and he seems to genuinely care about the ratings of a tv show. >> i that i's a legitimate question, and we should, as a country, and reporters, hold him to what in fact is he doing to get ready to be president, but let's not go too far, right? i mean, all presidents, all president-elects have other interests. i mean president obama watches espn a lot. it's not like you can expect a person to be -- >> i don't know of anybody who's ever been president who has so, is such a raw nerve of emotion that is so clearly to everybody, whether it's anger or jealousy or pride or boastfulness. he called himself a ratings
machine or something like that in one of the tweets. i don't think it matters, but it is a mirror to who this person is. >> we've never had a twitter presidency before and never had a cross section view of a president's brain, which is what twitter is for him. you're only surprised by this, but i think one is only surprised by this if we weren't following this campaign, if we ekte expected him to be different somehow. this is who he is. this is the kinds of tweets we saw him do, we spent days on the alisha machado tweets during the campaign. this is not a surprise. and he is, for better or worse, as he said, has other interests and is enormously proud of the life he had before the campaign. >> we're short on time. the breaking news, the other breaking news story we're following, a deadly shooting at ft. lauderdale airport.
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