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baggage claim. five were killed. six others injured. three are fighting for their lives. passengers began running in fear right on to the tarmac sending international travel hub into chaos. others trapped on planes and inside airport for hours. the broward county sheriff tweeting this photo this morning. a child asleep inside a tsa security begin. with the message, it's been a long night for everyone. although the airport has reopened today, that investigation is just beginning. the fbi saying they're not ruling out terrorism. [ inaudible ] >> we apologize for the audio.
the more we learn about esteban santiago, the shooter, the more red flags emerge about his troubled past and possible mental health issues. santiago will make his first court appearance on monday. let's begin with rachel crane, who is live for us at the ft. lauderdale hollywood international airport. so, rachel, what are we learning about the investigation? >> well, fred, the press conference just concluded and law enforcement officials said that they have turned over the airport to airport officials and they have finished processing the crime scene. they also did not release any of the names of the victims. they did confirm that five were dead. however, they changed the number of victims that were suffering from gun shot wounds from eight to six. say iing that three of them wer currently in the icu, three of them were in good condition. they also said that they have in fact concluded their interview
with the suspect. they said it took several hours that he was in fact cooperative and that he is now in the county jail. the fbi did not give any specific details about the gun that was used, but they did describe more about the weapon. take a listen. >> he used a semiauto and gun. it was a .9 millimeter. we're not ready to release the make of the handgun. and every indication is that he did follow tsa procedures and checking in the weapon. >> now, they have not, they have not ruled out any motive here, including terrorism. now, they are trying to piece together this investigation. spoke to over, to 175 witnesses and many members of santiago's family, including his aunt. fbi agents spoke to her
yesterday. she spoke to cnn today saying santiago changed after he came back from his tour in iraq with the national guard in 2011. she told cnn he had visions all the time. his mind was not right. he seemed normal at times, but ore time, he seemed lost. he changed. now, here at the ft. lauderdale hollywood international airport, business is beginning to get back to normal. but we have seen long lines here all morning. the sheriff said that many of the flights were in fact canceled, many delays. they are operating at 85% and also mentioned how they were dealing with the challenge of getting the 20,000 bags and personal items that were left behind during the evacuation, back to their owners. fred. >> all right. thank you so much. the congresswoman underscoring that earlier, many people who fly into that airport, it's a
very busy airport for many embarking on cruises, today's a big day for that, but people can't get on the ship if they don't have their ids because a lot of that was left behind at the airport. in addition to the five people killed, six were wounded. three are in intensive care. ryan young is at the broward medical center. what more can you tell us? >> well, fred, very complicated. you look at the heroes there at the airport yesterday. the officers who ran into that line of fire to try to stop and neutralize that suspect. but you have to think about the doctors and nurses here at the level one trauma center to help the people who were victims. of course, you had a stream of ambulances coming here and they got ready by setting up the disaster program they have in place. of course, they were able to help several people who were rushed into the icu. we know we're getting updates from the sheriff's department, they're telling us what the conditions of the victims who are here. in fact, the sheriff talked about that about an hour ago. >> we have six gun shot wound
victims at the hospital. originally yesterday, we leased there were eight victims. so actually only six. three of them remain in good condition. three of the victims remain in icu. as of press conference. we will not be p releasing the ey identity of any of the six. >> we've been told by the hospital, all critical updates will come from the sheriff's department. we are outside waiting to see if family members would like to talk to us, but as of right now, not really a lot of activity outside the emergency room. besides the normal activity. i think we should remember the fact that the doctors and nurses here in trying to save people who arriveded after the shooting at the airport yesterday. as soon as we get more information in terms of update, patient information, we'll pass it on to you, fred. zpl thank you so much. appreciate that. the accused gunman's aunt is speaking out. you heard rh crane talk about that.
here's more on that now. the aunt telling cnn her nephew has changed since return frg iraq in 2011, saying quote, his mind was not right. he seemed normal at times, but other time, he seemeded lost. he changed. let's talk more about this with with tom fuentes. also the former assistant director of the fbi. also with me, cnn aviation analyst, a former insector general for the department of trapg. so, mary, while we're still learning more, about esteban santiago and that there were these observations made by family member, is it presumed that that kind of information would be attached to his ability to fly in any way? what precautions or protections are underway already in place to try and prevent anything like this from happening. >> well, in the united states
and there are arguments on both sides of the issue, but you have to be a judge. you have to have a judgment that you are mentally incompetent or have an involuntary restrain or checking into a hospital. you have to have a domestic violence restraining order against you. there's a list of items that are disqualifying for having a firearm and certainly for traveling with a firearm or for travel. and the firearm restriction rs greater than those on traveling. on traveling, there are fewer, and just having concerns about someone doesn't arise to the level of a disability from firearm possession and ownership or travel. on any of those levels. for to have stopped him from traveling with his gun, he would have had to have a court order judging him incompetent or an involuntary confinement in a mental institution. >> all right, so then he lawfully was able to transport
his firearm. we know now from details coming from law enforcement that he che checked his luggage and picked up his luggage on the other end once arriving from anchorage and ft. lauderdale and got his firearms and ammunition out of that checkeded luggage. in the bathroom and then came out and opened fire on people. so, is it your position that this makes for a better argument that there has to be some separation between checked firearms and ammunition in future? that's something congress will have to tackle with with, but do you feel this is going to be a good example of trying to make that argument if that argument is to be made? >> oh yes. i think this has to be part of the national debate now. the problem is this is where the right to travel in the constitution runs headlong into the right to keep and bear arms in the constitution. and airport is like a city. these constitutional rights
economist there in the airport. but for the interim to try to deal with the problems happening again, the fastest way would be to limit ammunition or in the checkout procedure, for example, last airline, you have a long gun, you were supposed to claim it at the bag check office by presenting your claim form and id, so you could put another level in there, when you claim a gun, so it's not just rolling around the bag claim, for example, say if it was rolling around the bag claim and somebody stole it, then you have another problem, so you could put additional restrictions on b the amount of am nix or how you retrieve. >> tom, how do you see this presip tating movement toward new regulations or do you see as revealing gaping holes about not enforce something. >> i see it as revealing gaping holes that aren't going to be changed too easily if at all. now, for example, even if you have guns go into the special
baggage area like you would have with golf club ors snow skis or long guns, that's fine. the person goes to that area, picks up their gun, goes to the bathroom, comes out shooting. you're not preventing, at some point, a person is dpoipg to get their hands back on that gun, back on their ammunition and be in position before leaving the property of the airport to shoot. additionally, we're not b even talking about the people, that gun was checked in on the other end. when he left alaska or went to the airport in anchorage, he check nd that gun, so at that point, he could have shot up the ticket counter area, the people waiting to go to the gate. the people getting out of their cars on the sidewalk. so the only time that gun was not in his possession was actually after he checked his bag, the it was loaded on the plane and until he picked it up on the care at the ft. lauderdale airport, so, before getting on the plane, after getting off the plane.
he was in a position to access those weapons. secondly, the baggage claim area is a pretty open area. family members come to help you know, a lone traveler with multiple bag of luggage, so those carts pull up, people get out, go in and help. but any car could roll up and people could come storming into the baggage claim with firearms. they're not going through any kind of major security check, if any, to get into baggage claim and most airports, they may have one or two police officers down there, but they can be easily outdone in a situation like that, so this is the only way i see adding security at baggage claim is just you're going to have a lot of police officers heavily armed at all of the different baggage claim areas and watch the people as they pick up their bags and leave the airport. so, it's still going to be a difficult challenge. >> yeah. revealing lot of potential vulnerabilities. thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, repeal and
replace obama care, it's one of the top items on the agenda for the gop come january 20th. we'll look at what that means financially for americans across the country, next. plus, another campaign promise, building a wall. trump says mexico will eventually pay for it. we'll look at what congress says about footing the bill.
gearing up for the battle to take down obama care. house speaker paul ryan vows to repeal key policies including funding for planned parenthood. president obama says if republicans have bet r than, then he's all for the repealing and replacing it. >> if it works, i'm for it. if, if something can cover all americans, make sure that if they have a preexisting condition, they can still get
coverage, make sure that prescription drugs are affordable, encourage preventive measures to keep people healthy. if you can do all that, cheaper than we talked about, cheaper than obama care achieves and with better quality and it's just terrific, i'm for it. >> i'm joined by dr. ezekiel emanuel, he is also the chair of the department of medical ethics for the department of pennsylvania. happy new year. >> nice to be here. >> so, you have met with the president-elect. what is your sense in terms of whatever he really is behind a repeal and replace simultaneous or whether he's an advocate of repealing it and then somewhere down the line, replacing it?
>> well, far be it from me to speak for the president-elect. that's his job and his stats. >> but what did you gather in your conversations with? >> he has said that he does want to create a system that is good for all americans, that gets ewuniversal coverage. that allows people with preexisting conditions to keep their insurance. that allows children to be on their parent's health plans and that actually is affordable to americans. and i genuinely believe he does not want to have a situation or create a situation that creates lots of disruption, even chaos, in the insurance markets and leaves lot of people uninsured. i can say the one phrase he made clear to me is we don't want to hurt anyone. and i think it's become imminently clear over the last month or so, as people have been talking about the issue, that if you repeal and delay, that is
you repeal the bill without part of the affordable care act like the mandate, like the subsidies without a clear plan what is going to take their place, you will create disruption in the insurance markets, have millions lose coverage and many people will be worse off. >> others have used language like repealing it. and not replacing it right away could create a death spiral and it would cause destabilization. do you see it that way? >> well, it's undeniable that would be the way. just imagine you're the president of an insurance company like united or aetna or humana and someone tells you the marketplace you're in, you're covering millions of people. that marketplace is going away in two years. are you stay ng that marketplace? are you devoting any resources
to building up that marketplace to doing all the hard work necessary to sell an insurance product? the answer is clearly no. and so, they will, the insurance companies will pull out and there will be plenty of people who will want insurance and not be able to get it. i think that's clearly going to be a serious problem. and i think it's beginning to dawn upon the republicans that you know, that you need a replacement bill. what's also becoming clear is republicans have had seven years to come wup a coherent replacement. they have not, which does the things that president obama said. makes coverage available to everyone. including people with preexisting conditions. increases quality, gives them incentives to get preventive care, keeps cost under control. they couldn't come up with it over seven years tells you how hard it is to really devise a plan in the health care market. >> yeah, and there have been more than 60 defeated attempts to repeal, so, we know that
president obama went to capitol hill, talked to democrats and he said he essentially instructed them you know, don't help the gop. dismantle and replace. it's their movement. let mem them stand on their own two leg to try to repeal or come up with a new plan, so, if donald trump or you know, anyone with an administration were to reach out to you, would you refrain from offer suggestions or assisting in a plan that would support a repeal iing and replacing? >> look, i'm exactly what president obama said he was. which is there are things which we know the affordable care act needs to be reformed and could be improved. and you know, even they won the passa passage, it's been implementing,
obvious problems have become obvious. there are improvements to be made to the bill. i am a big believer in what we need is a good piece of legislation. i don't care whether it's a republican or democratic. ideally, it would be bipartisan and i'm willing to help in getting to the right answer. >> because you want to see this continue to work for the 30 million who have signed up. >> is high quality. >> all right. dr. ezekiel emanuel. thank you very much. >> absolutely and not just 30 million. remember -- okay. >> go ahead. there was a lay. i want you to finish your point. >> lots of parts of the affordable care act don't just affect people who didn't have insurance before. they affect all of us by improving the quality of care at hospitals, by keeping costs under control, by giving us all free preventative service fs with no deductibles and copay that's something every american got because of the affordable care act.
it's 310 million people, not 30 million people, that have been beneficiaries and we need to keep that into account because when they repeal certain provisions, it's going to affect all of us, not just those who got insurance through the changes or medicaid expansion. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> all right. and we'll be right back. giving up all the things she loves to do. it should just mean, well, finding new ways to do them. right at home's professional team thoughtfully selects caregivers to provide help with personal care, housekeeping, and of course, meal preparation. oh, that smells so good. aw, and it tastes good, too. we can provide the right care, right at home. jack knocked over a candlestick, onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll.
welcome back. thousands without power, light delays, icy roads, southeast is iced over and the strong winds and snow are moving up the east coast now. new york city is about to feel the worst of the storm soon. here's a live as the ice storm continues all the way up to maine. paula joins us live from raleigh, where instead of ice, you've got beautiful snow there. folks who are out enjoying it, but there's a lot of caution being sent to people, too. hi. >> hey, fred, and that warning is coming from north carolina's governor, telling the residents it's about the storm is not over yet. now, some of the snowfall may wrap up soon, but the could still be there. especially some of the residential areas, the ones that sit on hills right here, so the recommendation by the governor is folks simply stay home. it's a noncommuting day.
folks don't have to get to work unless some of the lucky ones who get to work. so officials are recommending people stay home because the temperature is going to continue to drop tonight into single digits, so much of the precipitation that's been falling will like harden, so we could see black iceuatisituatio throughout the region here and we're likely not going to see temperatures go above freezing until tuesday according to several meteorologists. so the people here, they're left to make the best of it. some families here in this neighborhood, they decided to take their kids out since they had nowhere to go, since many of the businesses may still be closed. they said let's just hang out here in the neighborhood, but again, that warning going out to families and drivers. if you don't have to be out and about, stay many because all the snow may be wrapping up the worst could be ahead when it gets bone chilling cold tonight. >> good warnings. thank you so much. appreciate it. trying to find a little hot cocoa in between these hits. next, new information from
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we're learning new details about the deadly shooting, the fbi saying it has not ruled out terrorism and is still looking at all possible motives for why the 26-year-old army veteran allegedly pulled a a gun from his checked luggage then opened fire, killing five and wounding six others. esteban santiago is cooperating with with authorities. he did follow the correct procedures to check that firearm. >> once he retrieved his bags, sources say he went to the bathroom and emerged firing a gun. it is legal in some states to carry a gun and ammunition in
your checked luggage only. tsa has very strict guidelines and by all accounts, the shooter followed all the procedures. in anchorage, they said the suspect cleared the gun before the flight and had it properly stored in his checked luggage. it was in the proper casing. again, the glooins are strict. the firearm must be unloaded. it has to be stored in a hard side case. that case has to be locked and only the passenger should have the key or the combination to that case. and again, you have to declare that gun at the ticket count you are. he follows all of those rule, but he took advantage of the fact that every airport in america has a soft target. parts of the airport are vulnerable. it's a known vulnerability and law enforcement officials say it's virtually impossible to get that to zero. renee marsh, cnn, washington. >> i want to talk more about the
vulnerability of soft targets with our security panel, matthew is a former executive with the atf and cnn law enforcement analyst. mary is back with us. a former inspector general department of transportation. so, matthew just heard renee marsh saying law enforcement officials she's talks to say it's really possible to reduce that kind of vulnerability. he lawfully checked that firearm, but what the person does on the other end well, that's anyone's guess, so, in your view, does this kind of underscore a vulnerable thety across airports, across the country? >> it does. the fact of the matter is there are hundreds if not thousands of people that travel with their firearm, follow the law and successfully pick up their gun and go about their merry way. in this case, he exploited this
vulnerability and try to avoid this in the future. >> when we talk about soft target, i don't know if a lot of people would automatically think that an airport is a soft target because there are security measures in place. people have to go through you know, checks, there are mag tom terror, et cetera, but this is a soft target because this is a large gathering place. while go through security, there are areas where security is not at the same level. as in other part of the airport. so, what are people, how are they to digest what happened yesterday and how to feel safe when you travel? >> you're right. an airport is really two halves and they're unlike each other. airside is of course very secure and then land side, where you drive up and check in and go to the bags. it's a very ras, soft, that's
been known since the '60s and '70s when in europe, there were bombings at the bag claim. i think what people need to do and think about now, including on a national debate for the long run, but for now, we have to make it secure so there aren't copy cat killers, so we can get our business, our travel in, and go on with our commerce. since that what this is, interstate commerce, a constitutionally protected right. we're going to have to come up with some interim measures. one way would be to stop the transport of ammunition. you can get it delivered to your door within a kay or two. former someone with with a former badge, i bought it online myself. that can be done for the short-term measure and you can have a requirement that once you get your gun, you must immediately leave the airport. by the way, the nra suggests that, if you're traveling with a secure weapon, leave the airport immediately. zpl so, it's one thing when you
have a long arm in a hard case. we heard described earlier from tom fuentes, you check it. you have to retrieve it from another portion to have airport, but with a hand xwun, it's something he's able to put in and pick up in the same common area that others were picked up their luggage, so then you know, mary, does this mean that in the interim, a rule would have to be put in place to say everyone and anyone who is traveling with a firearm would have to a, identify that they are checking a firearm so that the airline or airport can candle that piece of luggage dimpbltly? >> and they need to know who they are. in the long run, we need a national debate, be but in the short run, we just need to make sheez airports secure so they can operate. that would be one way you could do it in the short-term. >> so, right now, people don't necessarily, unless you have a long arm reveal with an airline
that they are checking a piece of luggage and ammunition? >> they have to check their gun. >> but you don't have to be parent about it and say i'm picking by boarding pass, inside is. >> yes, you do going into the airport. it's leaving that brangs the problem. >> all right. thank you so much the to both. appreciate it and we'll be right back after this. then she came to louisiana as a slave. i became curious where in africa she was from. so i took the ancestry dna test to find out more about my african roots. the ancestry dna results were really specific. they told me all of these places in west africa. i feel really proud of my lineage, and i feel really proud of my ancestry. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story, get started for free at ancestry.com
president-elect donald trump down playing russian meddling many the election despite receiving a full briefing yesterday. that reports say with high confidence, those hacking efforts were ordered by russian president putin and that putin's goal was to hurt hillary clinton and trump. trump instead casting blame on the democratic national committee for allowing the hack. and tweeting about how the u.s. will have a great relationship with russia when he is president. donald trump continuing to tweet about this intel report. >> that's right. he does and what we've seen from him again is him trying to really shift the blame away from russia. and to focus on the politics of
this instead, really trying to define this in partisan term, blame i blaming the democrats in his opinion for not protecting themselves and really blaming democrats for what he is describing as being sore losers for continuing to bring this up. trump tweeting this morning, quote, only reason of the hacking of the poorly defended dnc is that the loss by the dems was so big they are totally embarrassed, theb said quote, intelligence stated strongly there was no evidence that hacking affected the election results. voting machines not touched. now, the nuance of the details of what was in the classified report are important here, especially with these trump claims on twitter. the classified report did not say that the voting machines were affected, rather they said that there were a variety of tactics that the russians used
to influence the election and importantly, did not say that the hacking affected the election, whether or not that was the intention. those detail, very important here. clearly, the intense is enough to get many on capitol hill, many republicans as well members of trump's party, so say this is a national security concern. >> thank you so much. and she is one of jake tapper's guests tomorrow joining me now to talk more about this, cnn political commentator, matt lewis, a senior contributor for the daily caller and washington bureau chief for the chicago sun times. good to see you and happy new year. flurries behind you. the storm is on its way in washington behind you. >> to go home and involshovel. >> get that exercise, but in small dose, be careful. so, donald trump calling the
friday meeting with sbintel chis constructive and praising the officials. he says he will appoint a people within 90 days to stop foreign hacking, then you look at the tweets coming from him this morning and the past 24 hours really saying anyone is stupid to not see the value in getting along with russia. only stupid people or fools would think that is bad. so, this mixed messaging, is there already a feeling his relationship going in is fairly damaged or tarnished with the intel community? is he able to recover from that? >> yes, he can recover. everything gets real on january 20th. to quote reagan, the famous phrase that he had is you know, trust but verify.
no one is against a good relationship with russia as long as that's truly what it is. and if donald trump can somehow have our two superpowers bonded together to create a better world, that would be an incredible legacy of a trump administration, but we're not quite there yet. one of the things you do build relationshipses on is solid information and let's see, let his actions be stronger than his tweets come january 20th. >> and matthew, it seems like still has the problem of separating the issue of legitimacy, november 8th election versus the overall big picture. of russia meddling with democracy, period, and that's the outrage being expressed on so many levels. but donald trump doesn't seem to be expressing that outrage. still.
this is a big deal, foreign government trying to interfere your elections is a very, very big deal. one would be that donald trump sees the big battle of our time is against radical islam. that battle, he may see putin and russia as an ally. just as we allied with stallin against hitl. >> i think that leads to the last sofrt noble argument here you alluded to earlier, which is a sense that donald trump
doesn't want to concede that donald trump did this because itd might delegitimize his election, that's some thing skin if that is leading to his tweets. >> lynn. >> well, i guess my point is that the russian attack on the united states is not to be taken lightly. we'll see if excuse me, get so worked up here. we just have to see what he does as a result of all this. f and so, matthew, you know, swearing in, just days away now. the 20th of january. the relationship, i mean, whether yesterday's meeting with the intel chiefs could help mend in any way, the relationship, that relationship starts right away. as soon as the president is sworn in to office. those briefings, regardless of what style of briefings he
wants, the decision making will be a large part predicated on what kind of intel comes his way. so, are we look iing at the grod work being set that he'll be cherry picking, the validity of intel? the occasions in which he wants to use it to his advantage or not? based on his reaction to how that relates to russia behavior. >> we just don't though yet. there's some very good signs in terms of the people he's surrounded himself with. some of the adviser, mattis brought a lot of reasnurns to skeptics. on the other hand, there's a problem when there's a wide consensus and he doesn't seem to want to believe what essentially, everybody is telling him. so, i think lynn is right.
we're in the pregame phase now. there are some things i'm seeing that are comforting to me and some things that are alarming me. let's see how he governs. >> and this skepticism, how might that bleed over, influence the hearings of some of his nominees next week? >> good question. because they will be asked what they believe. they will be asked by what is the yardstick that you use to get information, if you're rex tillerson's secretary of state, for example, who is supposedly picked in part because of his close understanding of russia, his relationship with putin. splb interesting to see what he believe, but what's most important is what a a president trump can figure out is a way to get information that he sees is credible. somewhere in vast intelligence apparatus are people he's got to find to trust and or have pence
do it to give him informed information from which to make policy. >> all right. both in what appear to be whiteout conditions, but we know now, snow flurries, accumulation, you know, we'll see how it pans out the rest of the day, but u it's a beautiful backdrop for you just days away now from inauguration. let's hope it's not a snowy day like that. thank you so much. appreciate it. and we'll be right back.
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plane say the walk from here down to the baggage area would be about 50 or 60 yard, if he traveled the same way you would expect somebody to travel on a plane like this. it would be a path something like this through the area down to the escalator down here then down to the baggage area. baggage area is all in here. that's where he would have retrieved his bag with the gun. and then people talk about people going into the restroom. there's also one here, if that were the case, he could have gone in an come wback out firin, roughly about 45 minutes after his plane touched down and we know that some of the victims were right in this area. now, what about this business of taking a gun on a plane? as a civilian, you cannot do that in a carry on bag, but it is legal to do it in a checked bag. aside from local and state regulations, the federal regulations are you must tell the airline you are carrying a
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