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cyber strike. the official intel report on russian hacking says vladimir putin wanted donald trump to win. >> mr. president-elect, listen to these people. putin is up to no good. he better be stopped. >> will it be enough to stop trump? i'll request white house
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counsellor kellyanne conway. plus, airport attack. the late details on the shooter who left five people dead in florida. >> we have not ruled out anything. >> was he inspired by isis? what we know now. and one last bash. the obamas throw a star-studded party to say good-bye to the white house as the president prepares for his farewell address on tuesday. >> i'm looking forward to continuing to work on the same issues that i've worked on all my life, just in a different capacity. >> what about l his final message be? plus, the best political minds will be here with insights on what happens next. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is gearing up for a jam-packed we can. first, president obama says good-bye to the nation in his farewell address on tuesday night. then, just hours later donald trump will take the world stage again in his first press
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conference since being elected. all of this while a slew of trump cabinet picks will appear in front of congress as wall-to-wall confirmation hearings get under way, despite objections from democrats that key ethics reviews have not been completed. plus, of course, washington is still learning more about the bombshell intelligence community report presented to president-elect trump on friday about russia interfering in the u.s. election to hurt his rival hillary clinton. so lots to discuss with incoming white house counsellor kellyanne conway. kellyanne, thanks so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> at the first presidential debate the candidates were asked about cyber attacks on the u.s. and this is what then candidate and now president-elect donald trump had to say about the hacking of the democratic national committee. take a listen. >> i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, russia, russia, but i don't -- maybe it was. i mean, it could be russia but it could also be china. it the could also be lots of
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other people. it could also be somebody signature on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay. you don't know who broke into dnc. >> now that president-elect trump has been formally briefed, has he been persuaded that russia did carry out a comprehensive cyber campaign against hillary clinton and what is he prepared to do about it? >> jake, if you read his entire statement that followed the briefing on friday he makes very clear that russia, china and others have attempted to attack different government institutions and businesses and individuals and organizations over a series of time. he specifically mention the the democratic national committee because that's why we're having this conversation can. i don't want any of your viewers to be misled into thinking how the kremlin and the republican party, that they had -- that the kremlin was dealing with any of the hackers and bringing that information back to moscow and somehow that -- anybody who alempingdly attempted to influence our elections actually d.if you read the full report
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they make very clear. mr. clapper in his testimony made very clear on thursday under oath that the -- that any attempt, any aspiration to influence our elections failed. they were not successful in doing that, and it's a very important point. we're talking about this because we had embarrassing leaks from the dnc e-mails. there were no fireworks in that report because there was no fire wall at the dnc. >> well, what they said, what the intelligence community sapd is that there was no evidence that russia was able to penetrate any of the voting machines and made the affect the outcome and they said they didn't have any evidence and it wasn't in their charge to determine whether or not the information that was hacked by russia that was ultimately leaked to the public, whether or not that changed any votes, and if you listen to what mr. trump had to say on the stump all the time, he invoked wikileaks dozens and dozens of times to try to suggest that the wikileaks said that there were
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things that hillary clinton was doing or had done that were untoward. take a listen. >> what you have to do is take a look at wikileaks and see what they said about bernie sanders. wikileaks just came out, john podesta said some horrible things about you, and boy was he right. he said some beauties. >> wikileaks that just came out, and -- and she lied. now she's blaming the lie on the late great abraham lincoln. >> so i guess what i'm confused about is how can you say that the hacking had no impact on the election when mr. trump kept invoking wikileaks which was printing, publishing things that the russians had hacked? obviously he thought it was going to have an effect on the election. >> well, having an effect on his debate answer and the clinton campaign because it was quite embarrassing to watch her closest advisers question her judgment and question whether she would ever find her voice and wondering allowed why she was testing 48 slogans to find
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out who she was and what she had won on. this guy had make america great and never change. that's very embarrassing, them calling chelsea clinton, a spoiled brat. that's very uncomfortable but that's what was hacked. the rnc, apparently there was an attempted hack on the rnc i'm informed but they had an efficient cyber security fire walls in place. cnn's own reporting showed this week that the fbi asked the dnc to have access to its information, to its server i guess and to its information and the dnc refused to turn that over to the fbi, according to cnn's own report, so all of this amounts to a very simple fact which is that alleged attacks, alleged and aspirations to interfere with our democracy failed and they failed and we know that because donald trump won because >> what do you mean alleged attacks? >> and hillary clinton -- look, if you look at cnn's own polling data for one year for the election, hillary clinton was viewed by a majority of
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americans unlikable and a higher number over 60% dishonest or trutworthy, had nothing to do with moscow. >> there's dozens of reasons why hillary clinton is not the police detective and donald trump is. what i don't understand is why there is a reluctance by president-elect trump and people around him to acknowledge russia did this. you said it was an alleged attack. i don't know why you're saying alleged. >> alleged to interfere with our democracy. in other words, they didn't succeed. even if you read "new york times" and "washington post," cyber experts are saying, jake -- >> why invoke all the wikileaks -- >> why invoke all those wikileaks that were the work of russian intelligence, according to our intelligence agencies, why invoke all the wikileaks unless -- >> he didn't know that at the time. he said he didn't know who the source is. he's right. >> but you are trying to change public impressions of hillary clinton? >> right. >> marred me? >> mr. trump and you and others were trying to make an argument against hillary clinton using
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the work of russian hackers. >> oh, you know what, jake, with all due respect to hillary clinton. we didn't need wikileaks to convince the american people they didn't like her, didn't trust her or find her to be honest. she did that all on her own. she got this party started by setting up an illegaler is vir and opening it to hacks, for intelligence and security information that's much more serious than what a political party would have on the server so -- she started this. >> why keep mentioning them? >> i want to answer your question, too. i keep hearing particularly from my friends at cnn and other places that we're so reluctant. we won't answer a question. read his statement. he said he sees -- he knows that there have been -- that russia, china and others have tried to attack our governmental institutions, and business organization and individuals and let me add to that, where was the outcry when china hacked into 21 million records through our office of personnel and
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management, opm, of private citizens, their personal information, 21 million? they basically got the equivalent of a slap on the wrist just like vladimir putin heard from president obama earlier this year knock it off when he thought that they might be hacking into our information. everything changed when the election result was not what they had anticipated. if this is so important to our intelligence and our security, then why wasn't a bigger deal made about it, why wasn't a big portion of are $is.2 billion hillary clinton wasted on her campaign invested in this messaging? >> well, i remember the opm hack being a pretty big story on my show hon cnn and others, but let me -- >> i mean the government, i'm glad you covered it. where was the punishment on that with respect to that, and now we're expelling 35 russian operatives a week before the report is report, a week before mr. clappers testifies under oath and makes clear there was no impact on the election. senator mccain has said the same thing. >> he said there was no impact on the voting process. we don't know -- there's no way
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of knowing what effect the leaks had and if you didn't need wikileaks president-elect trump mentioned dozens and dozens of time, part of case you were moving. >> but that's -- that's equivalent to hillary clinton trying to quote republicans who -- republican senators and governors who weren't supporting donald trump. it's the equivalent. you're saying to our opponent, wow, you don't have support among your own group here. in the case of secretary clinton she was being disparaged but members of her own team in e-mails. that's very different from the issue at hand, entirely differed than what was discussed at the intelligence hearings on friday. >> were you in the briefing on friday? >> i was not because my top secret clearance is penneding. >> what's your understanding about the and how it went? there's a lot of hostility between president-elect trump and the intelligence community. what is it an ugly meeting and hostile meeting? >> it was cordial.
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i talked to the president-elect directly about it. it was cordial. he found it to be constructive. he was very happy that the intelligence community at the highest levels came to trump tower to brief him there, and we're really -- you know, the only disappointment i would expree express is the briefing came after leaks to the media, after leaks to nbc at the very least, after leaks to some print outlets. jake. decannot have people in positions of keeping us all safe and knowing classified information or intelligence information, we can't have them leaking to the media and there i don't fault the media. you're trying to get information and do your jobs to report and break news, #breakingnews, of course, but at the same time when asked on friday the white house dodged the question whether the administration was the source of the leaks to nbc news. we can't have this. that should really infuriate americans today, that people who possess this information are sending it to the media ahead of the president-elect receiving the information, the vice president-elect and perhaps the
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president himself depending on the sequence of events. >> i want to the ask you about obamace because that will be a big subject of debate when the president is sworn in. there's a big debate among republicans how to repeal obamacare, is it better to repeal and work on a replacement and repeal and immediately replace. on friday senator rand paul of kentucky tweeted this, take a look. i just spoke to real donald trump and he fully supports my plan to replace obamacare the same day repeal it. the time to act is now, unquote. can you confirm that president-elect trump is committed to replacing obamacare the same day that it will be repealed? >> i can confirm that he is committed to replacing obamacare with something that actually is a i fordable and accessible and allows to you buy health insurance over state lines. >> the same day or in three years? well, it really depends what -- what the piece of legislation is. what does it look like? what he is discussing with his team including vice president-elect pence, the republicans in congress and his incoming hhs secretary
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congressman tom price are the possibilities of how to improve upon a system that most importance think is still not working, is seen by many americans as a failure, is seen by many americans as having premiums increase in some places 50% to over 100%, of having fewer choices, less access, lower quality. all of that has to change. we hear from americans every single day on this, jake. it is one of the most prominently discussed issues. we've received over 200,000 comments, for example, on, you know, advice to the president-elect hand vice president-elect. he's very committed to repealing and replacing it. mr. trump has been very up front about what some of those particulars are, and we also know that you have popular provisions like coverage for pre-existing conditions. we also know there are americans relying upon it now. >> no commitment on timing on the replacement. kellyanne conway, happy new year, happy birthday. >> thank you. >> best of luck to you in the new administration. hope to see you soon. >> see new washington, jake.
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welcome back. the killer who left five people dead and another six wounded in an attack at the fort lauderdale airport will appear in court tomorrow morning. he's facing three charges, all of which carry the death penalty. the shooter's brother tells cnn he developed mental health problems after returning from a deployment to iraq with the national guard. >> in november 2016 mr. santiago walked into the anchorage fbi office to report that his mind was being controlled by u.s. intelligence agencies. santiago was having terroristic thoughts and believed he was being influenced by isplice following that episode the shooter was admitted to the hospital and released after four days. he went back to the fbi office to pick up the gun police had taken from him that day. investigators believe he booked a one-day ticket to florida with the intent of carrying out this attack. let's bring in at am schiff, the ranking democratic intelligence, michelle flournoy and
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congressman mike rogers. mr. schiff, let me start with you. he thought isis was tell him to do this. any indication that isis played a role other than somebody with mental problems latching on to the news? >> still the subject of an investigation. may have been statements he made after his arrest that he was in contact with people overseas, but they are still trying to figure out whether that's true or whether that's part of the delusions. after all, that's someone as you just heard who went into the fbi office and said that they were being essentially mind-controlled by the cia, forced to look at images online, some of those images may have been violent isis videos, so we're still trying to figure out what the motivations were, whether he had contact with others, but clearly the overriding influence here was some very severe mental illness. >> all right. let's move on to russia which is obviously a huge topic in the intelligence community and the national security community.
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on friday morning donald trump gave an interview to the "new york times." take a look at what he said, quote, china recently hacked 20 million government names. this is a political witch-hunt. you heard kellyanne conway say something similar on the show a few minutes ago. why is everybody talking about this and not something that happened in 2013 or '14? what do you make of donald trump calling this a witch-hunt? >> there's no one who is more undermining the legitimacy of the trump presidency than donald trump himself. his continued refusal to accept the obvious, accept the core conclusions of the intelligence conclusions that this was russia, you know. the statement that he issued, well, russia, china and others, he included everyone but the 400-pound fat guy. it's still more denial about what took place and one of the key conclusions of the intelligence agencies in that report is this was not a one-off. they will do this again. they will do it to us. they will do it to germany, to france. this is an attack on liberal democracy. we in congress on a bipartisan
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basis need to be able to work with this new president to push back across the full spectrum of russian-maligned influence and this tells me he's not stepping up to the job. >> one of the things that's interesting, james woolsey, former cia director during the bill clinton years who endorsed donald trump, he came out and said that he accepted the conclusions of the intelligence community and a few days later said he was no longer an adviser to president-elect trump. i don't know the back story but do you think bloomberg tech new england report is distancing himself from people who accept the premise of the intelligence community that russia was behind this? >> well, here's the thing. the people who are the closest advisers to donald trump right now have been through a brutal campaign for 18 months and adam knows this, too. you can get wrapped up into the campaign fight. the campaign has been bleeding over into the transition. i think president obama has contributed to that. democrats have contributed to
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that, certainly donald trump transition team has contributed to that. it's time to break this notion. he won. he will be president. russia is not -- to say that russia wad involved in information operation campaigns and being shocked is like saying the pope is catholic and being shocked. they have been doing this for 70 years. they have better success than others, depending on what region of the world they have tried it in, but we need to start transitioning and pivoting to the real challenges of national circuit court. the politics needs to end for all sides on this. i'm getting very worried that this is bubbling over and this is only conversation. think of missiles in kaliningrad by russia. think of the arctic operations they are planning, russia, in arctic. they are trying to i think hat least contest u.s. position in the arctic. you look at just absolutely uncontrolled bombings in aleppo where they tarted -- they didn't care who they tarted, men, women, children, civilians. >> yeah. >> they didn't care. >> this is where we need to start talking. we need to remove this political
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debate. if i were advising trump today i'd say stop talking about it. we need to stop talking about the national security threats to the united states. we have to rally around this. we have huge challenges facing us. >> you were undersecretary of defense in the obama straight. last month you met with general matis who is going to be secretary of defense, assuming he's considered for president-elect trump and though you're remaining ceo as the center for the american security. do you think president-elect trump is on a collision course rhetorically and with began matis because everybody at this table police that russia is a major political foe? >> the most disturbing aspect of this episode is president-elect has not made that transition from candidate from about to become commander in chief. he needs to have a clear perspective on the full range of
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security challenges we face including russia and russia's interests are not aligned withous and putin is pursuing a policy in europe in, syria and elsewhere that is not aligned with ours, and i think when he gets into the oval office and finds that there are many people in the national security enterprise, including someone like began mattis who came out of a military background, most of the chairmen of the joint chiefs, the service chiefs, the co-coms have all testified they see russia as a very real and present threat because of the actual actions they have taken, the annexation of crimea and the invasion of ukraine, the positioning of nuclear weapons, the increasing competition in the maritime doe marriages the space domain and as we've seen in the cyber domain with an unprecedented attack on the u.s. democratic process so the clear discussion has to happen so there may be fireworks from within the trump cabinet because
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there's a broad range of views. >> and it teams to be that position, the widespread position, people at the pentagon sat odds with the kind of lang watch from president-elect trump. he just tweeted the other day, let me put it up on the screen there. having a good relation with russia is a good thing not a bad thing. only stupid people or fools would think that it is bad. >> i would say stupid or foolish people would think our interests are aligned with russia so there is a concentric area where, yes, we share some common interests and we should work with them when we can, but we need to recognized their goal is so discord a liberal democracy, their job is to tear down anyone they consider a threat and they consider the whole idea of democracy a threat to their autocratic way of life. that's very much a koran tagnism to our national security interest. yes, that's nice to make friends
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and it's great if russia were an ally. it's not realistic and we need to be clear-eyed and sober about what the russians with about and alarms democrats and republicans when we continue to see the president-elect continue to speak and speak in a way that putin didn't get along with observe man was a lack of respect. it wasn't a lack of respect. it was a lack of common interests and the fact that the russians in our view have a very maligned purpose around the world and one we need to fight back tooth-and-nail. >> congressman rogers, what possible reason could there be for the fact that i've never heard president-elect once criticize russia or criticize vladimir putin, not once? >> i'm not sure why there wasn't a specific comment, but if you look at the totality of what he's talking about, it isn't really that far out of line from what barack obama said when he got elected and said i'm going too much reach out and reach my hand out and talk to our
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adversaries. it wasn't as eloquent -- >> president obama has been very critical of vladimir putin. >> he's been critical because he's been burned. just like george bush reached across and got his hand bit. my saturday there's a long history here. ronald reagan was very aggressive about engaging talks with the soviet union at the time and soviet union people said, hey, that's dangerous. he's an adversary, so i think we have to give a little space here to say you want conversations with russia. now as long as we understand that they take adverse aerial positions and have been very aggressively militarily and with their intelligence services everywhere from space to ground to cyber, then you can probably get to a better conclusion. you worry about the world view sitting around the table. you want as many and different national security experts sitting around that table that have that world view but let me tell you why mattis is so good and why those sparks are going to happen. mattis doesn't see the politics of this. he'll see the national security
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threats. >> and he'll walk away. >> i don't know if he'll walk away. not a guy that packs up and goes home. he'll be in the room advocating for the right positions based on the threat. i think that's going to be a very important voice in this national security structure. >> i agree with that. he's someone who is willing to speak truth to power, but president-elect trump also needs an intelligence community that's willing to speak truth to power and needs to create an environment where that happens. he needs to be able to draw on their good work to make a case to the american people when he wants to create action. he can create a brain drain of a lot of professionals leaving and make it difficult for partners to take the necessary risks to work with us. >> say nothing of what the intelligence community might do in retaliation if they feel like their backs are ups again the. >> thanks for being here. >> 164, that's the number of days since donald trump's last press conference but he's promising to talk to reporters this wednesday. what might he say without that
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russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> no that was donald trump at his last press conference on july 27th. when he meets the press this week, it will have been 167 days, and we're pretty sure russia will be listening this time as well. what does he need to say? let's talk to our panel, rick santorum, former presidential candidate and senator from the great commonwealth of pennsylvania, nina turner, former ohio state senator, anywherea tanden, with the center for american progress and cnn political commentator alice stewart. senators, you're a hawk on the subject of russia.
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what do you as a supporter of the president-elect and also somebody who views vladimir putin with clear eyes, what do you want him to say when the subject comes up at the press conference? >> i think what he will say is what president bush said, what president obama said which is that, you know, he's going to -- on the subject of russia try to chart a new path and reset the relationship and that he's tweeted many times that he'll have a better relationship with russia. president obama said that. president bush said that, and i think president trump is going to say that. >> president obama failed, president bush failed. just about every other president has failed maybe with the exception of ronald reagan but that resulted in the collapse of soviet union so i'm not particularly optimistic but i don't think it's necessarily an earth-shattering event that one of our major foes and has certainly been a problem for our country that we have a new president who thinks he can do it better and he can engage russia in a way that's more constructive.
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>> nira, as a victim of the russian hackers whose remailed were released through wikileaks, what do you want to hear from president-elect trump? >> i want him to state clearly what the intelligence agencies have now said to him to his face which is that russia hacked this election in order to get him elected, help him win. i don't understand why he cannot simply acknowledge that fact. he had his intelligence briefings. he's still misstating facts. he said they only went after democrats. they never went after republicans. they did go after the republicans. they haven't released that information and so i have to say i do not understand why he will not basically state these facts, and the fact that he won't makes me worried and that's why i think that's little ridiculous we haven't had a single investigation out of the house, 33 investigations in the house on benghazi. this is an issue in which all of our intelligence agencies are saying this is a clear threat, not just for now but for the future, and i don't understand why the president-elect will not
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say i'm going to take action on this and why speaker ryan won't hold a single hearing ton. >> the point is we've known about russian hacking and chinese hacking of institutions in this country for years. it is nothing new. we've seen this before. >> have hearings. >> why all of a sudden now? >> because they tried to -- >> this tried to get donald trump elect the. that's why it's a big deal. when the russians come into the united states, steal data and -- it's not only that. the intelligence agencies talked about fake news, it's a whole array of forces to undermine our democracy. i just -- i can't understand why people who have been claiming to be patriot and putting our country first won't take action. why won't speaker ryan take snacks. >> the frustration with trump and the trump campaign is the democrats' effort to undermine this victory. he won this election fair and square and now by focusing on the russian hacking with extraordinary -- yes, we know that based on the evidence present on the evidence at the hearings that putin did dictate
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influencing and the hacking into the american institutions to influence the election but there's been zero evidence to prove whatsoever without a shadow of the doubt that it impact the the outcome of the election. >> that's because the intelligence agencies, please read the report, the intelligence agencies have said they can't determine that but the fact that donald trump used it 164 times in the month of october shows you that there must have been some. >> nina, what do you make of all of this? >> i think the president-elect should say russia's meddling made a divisive election cycle even that much more device is and that as the american president he will not tolerate that in any form or fashion from any -- any nation. now, the election was free and fair, you know. i do not believe that that meddling, as bad as it was, influenced the outcome. president-elect won the electoral college and he will be sworn in as president, but that being said as americans, all of us, no matter what side we're
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on, should be very clear that no other nation has a right to meddle in our elections and that it won't be tolerated and we as americans have to make sure that something like this never ever happens again. i'm not going to hold my breath, but president-elect trump should make it very clear that he is america's president. >> senator, what else do you want to hear from president-elect trump when he speaks to reporters in. >> on russia on -- >> on anything. >> look, i think the most important thing he needs to focus on is delivering on the agenda that he set and that's number one, repealing obamacare and i know there's a big fight about rereal and replace. we have to repeal obamacare. >> you don't think it needs to be replaced immediately. >> the process should be started to replace. there's a lot of discussion going on right now in the house and senate as to how to do that. i'm frankly shocked that they don't have a plan, that they haven't really prepared for that. i know it's not going to be an easy thing to do, but they should have put a little bit more work into it than now here in the interim trying to figure out a plan forward. it was always going to be
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difficult because the vast majority of people who got on to obamacare, the millions of people added are not on obamacare, they are on medicaid so there's a huge expansion of medicaid that's occurred and how are you going to unwind that and transition people into the private sector? there has been thinking hand no one to my knowledge to date has a real clear plan how to do that and that's a real big problem. >> we'll take a break and pay some bill tsz. is hillary clinton working on her comeback? rumor has it she might run for mayor of new york city? we'll ask one of her biggest confidants next.
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i just have to say thanks for the endorsement, bill. took you long enough.
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>> that was hillary clinton back in the day taking a jab at mayor bill de blasio of new york city for holding out on endorsing her last year. is she about to get her revenge? de blasio's soft poll numbers have led to talk of hillary clinton challenging his re-election bid and she would have dominion over a certain manhattanite, president-elect trump and will she run? neera tanden, confidant of hillary clinton and attendee at a recent bill de blasio fund-raiser, is it possible that hillary clinton will run for mayor of new york city? >> i think she will find out a way to help kids and families, what she's been focused on her whole life and a lot of issues affecting him and i don't expect her to ever run for any elected office again. >> ever. that's my sense, you know. i don't expect her to run for this and i don't expect her to run for other office. i think her job is to -- what she's thinking about right now is how to help serve kid and families as she have her whole life. >> let's leave that there. i want to go back to obamacare
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because the senator weighed in and i know a lot of people have thoughts. here is senator schuck schumer on january had the about republican efforts to repeal obamacare. listen. >> they want to repeal it and then try to hang it on us. not going to happen. >> what do you want to see democrats do if republicans or when republicans i should say repeal obamacare? >> i mean, continue to fight. people in this country, i mean, health care is the most fundamental thing that they have. your wealth is your health and for republicans after 60 times of trying to repeal it, for them to not have a replacement in mind at this point is scandalous. you cannot just throw people out. 30 million people, their lives hang in the balance over this, and that is real. health care is real, and -- and democrats certainly understand that. it doesn't seem like republicans do. >> alice, there are millions of americans who now have health insurance because of the medicaid expansion that was part of obamacare and also there are
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millions of americans who can now afford health insurance because of tax subsidies and stipends. is it important for republicans have to something? >> schum summer potion the pottery barn rule with regard to obamacare. you broke it, you own it. the truth it, it's been broken since its inception and we've heard assurances from speaker ryan that they will not pull the rug out from underneath these people that have coverage and vice president-elect mike pence said look we're going to be promise keepers. this is a promise we made to voters. we were elected based on repealing and replacing obamacare and they are committed to doing that just and making it a smooth transition. >> you're absolutely right. donald trump said he would repeal and replace together. in fact, after the election he said he would repeal and replace together and there are 5 million people who voted for donald trump, at least 5 million, who are receiving health care because of the affordable care act. >> because of the stipends and
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the medicare expansion. >> both, and because of the exchanges and because of medicaid and those people trusted donald trump that they would know what their plan is. they expect the same or bert and right now what republicans are saying is please jump off this cliff and we'll tell you where the net is on the way down. they are not planning. no, the a absolutelily truth is they should have a plan and the plan right now is to tell you after the next election. americans can see through that. 15% of americans oppose that plan and i hope they listen to donald trump who is already raising questions about the strategy and give people the plan they are going to have as they vote to replace it. >> senator, you saw senator rand paul had said that president trump committed to him repeal and replace, to have a replacement. when i asked kellyanne conway about it she had no commitment as to the timing, but you think how can the republicans not have a replacement? >> and why rand paul is apoplectic and a lot of conservatives are saying we need
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a replacement in place and here's why. if you repeal obamacare, that means you repeal -- and they will do it through reconciliation, taxes and spending, that's all they can touch. not a lot of policy. they will get rid of the taxes and fees and rid of all the spending proposals, and so they are gone. so what they will have to replace it which means they will have to vote for new taxes, new spending and conservatives are saying whoa, whoa, whoa. we're not going do do that. >> right. >> you've got to do it the same way so it doesn't look like we're a few months before the election -- >> you want some of the taxes. >> we'll want some of them and the some of the money that's there from obamacare will have to be used or at least some version of it. it has to be used to finance a lot of the proposals that are being put forward to help subsidize the private insurance programs that are going to be put forward, so there will be a replace -- a repeal and replace. i don't think logistically they are going to put up a vote to repeal everything and then have to vote for a tax increase to put a new thing in place.
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>> it's just a fascinating story. nina, neira, alice, senator, thanks so much. how do you get george lucas, david letterman, merrill streep to wait in line for a party? wait in line. well, throw it at a party. details from president obama's final star-studded bash coming up next. not to be focusingo finaon my moderatepe. to severe chronic plaque psoriasis. so i made a decision to talk to my dermatologist about humira. humira works inside my body to
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been really maiamazing eight ye. never thought i'd see a black president in my lifetime. >> reporter: plaqblack musician have been welcomed into the white house has never before be. >> while much of the music you will hear this year is rooted in the african-american experience, it's not just black music. this is an essential part of the american experience. >> reporter: comedian dave chapelle described it as a transformative experience. >> everyone went into the west wing and everybody was black except for bradley cooper for some reason. >> reporter: he said it was more than a party for him. it was a moment in history. >> the first black person official lly invited to the whi house was frederick douglass. they stopped him at the gates.
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