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do they think it's right, so few have so much and so many have so little. ask them if we think we should raise the minimum wage to a living wage? should we rebuild our infrastructure and create millions of jobs, rebuilding our roads, bridges and water systems. you'll be surprised with the kind of response. what i say all over the place, yes, of course there are differences in this country. i support a woman's right to choose. very few people believe what the republican leadership believes now, tax breaks for billionaires and cutting social security and medicare, medicaid. if 10% of the american people -- how many people believe we should give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top 1%.
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and then cut social security and medicare. raise your hand. did you see any hands go up? >> none. >> that is what they believe, but they get away with that, because they have incredible campaign contributions, we won all kinds of seats within the democratic party yesterday in california we are making progress. worry about all of you getting involved in the political process. respect people who disagree with you. this is your country and not just a handful of billionaires. >> you are going to be bringing the message of your party to people, especially places where it did not go as well for you as you thought. what are you going to tell people around this country who
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feel your party, the democratic party does not pay attention to them any more you are more concerned with what bathroom people go into, to how they earn a living? what is the message. >> very fair question. one, you give me credit. >> it's about 1:10. it's not a bad rate for me. >> look, if we were going back in history to the '30s and '40s, and you asked the average working person, which party is the party of the working class in america? overwhelmingly, people would have said it was the democratic party. today people do not say that. and for good reason. >> no. >> when we talk about the greed on wall street, it wean the the republicans alone who did it, they did it with democrats. it was a democratic administration, not a republican
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administration, that brought forth nafta, i think the democrats have got to make a fundamental choice, chris, that is which side are they on? >> you cannot be on the side of wall street, of the drug companies and the insurance companies and the big money and go to working people and say, hey, i'm on your side, they're smart enough, they're not going to believe you. >> what we have got to do is come up with an agenda that speaks to the needs of working people, that is creating millions of decent paying jobs, making public colleges and universities tuition free. raising minimum wage to $15 an hour. creating jobs by addressing the crisis of climate change. dealing with the need for immigration reform, et cetera, et cetera. i think the american people understand that there's something profoundly wrong in this country when you have a small number of billionaires that have so much power. and i believe they want to see a government which represents all of us, that's what the democratic party has goat to stand for.
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>> we get to the issues, was it a serious discussion about serious things? our thanks to vermont senator, bernie sanders. happy new year to you. for everyone who made this town hall possible, and it's more than you may just be thinking about what you see up here on the stage. this is just the beginning of a special week at cnn. tomorrow, we have president obama's farewell address, wednesday, you have president-elect donald trump, holding his first full scale news conference in months. and later on wednesday night, van jones is going to host another edition of his town hall series, the messy truth. thursday, you have my colleague here at the george washington university with the republican speaker of the house, representative paul ryan. our thanks to our host, to george washington university, and to all of you in the audience tonight at home and watching. don lemon picks up our coverage right now.
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>> thank you very much. very nice job, my friend. you and the senator both. you just saw our town hall with bernie sanders. and he his senate colleagues begin confirmation hearings tomorrow for donald trump's cabinet picks. thanks for joining us. one president getting ready to move into the white house, the other getting ready to say good-bye. president barack obama hard at work tonight on his farewell address set for tomorrow in chicago. as president-elect trump prepares to take the oath of office, his daughter and son in law have become d.c.'s newest power couple. jared kushner named a senior exec. >> the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter, someone he outranked in privilege, power and the capacity to fight back.
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>> we have so much to get to tonight. i want to begin with jim acosta. emily jane fox, also here, richard painter, chief white house ethics lawyer under george w. bush joins us. and jon meacham historian. quite a fascinating hour, jon meacham. i want to get your reaction to bernie sanders town hall. trum assembly his administration. they're regrouping to try to figure out what happens with the democratic party. you should be worried about the issues at hand instead of what happened. >> every action produces a reaction. if trump is an answer to the obama years, there's going to be given the speed of the american pulse. there's going to be a moment where the democrats are going to be rethinking. it's striking to me still that senator sanders, given his age,
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his ideological leanings, he was the author of what i consider to be one of the most memorable policy proposals that secretary clinton offered as the nominee, which was the free college idea. a lot of the ideas are going to come out of the sanders world. and the question is going to be, can those be packaged. >> he's been out of it, he's been sort of out of it for eight months now. at least since the summer. we haven't seen him on the stage. but hillary clinton is kind of in obscurity right now. >> it's interesting to me to tie together what we just saw from bernie sanders. just today we got another billionaire headed to the white house. >> everyone's talking about the
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elites, but who are the elites when you have so many billionaires in power. >> this is a pivotal moment for the campaign. >> they're making it official his son in law is going to be an adviser. what are you hearing. >> people have been comparing this to hillary clinton running health care reform under bill clinton, i think jared kushner coulding more powerful than hillary clinton was in that white house. he was probably donald trump's most trusted adviser throughout the entirety of the 2016 campaign. and what they're envisioning for jared kushner is sort of the senior adviser who overseas everything. he was down at the capitol today meeting with paul ryan to go over tax reform. he's been meeting with donald trump and other foreign leaders. they looked at this, the legalities of all of this on a conference call -- one of jared
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kushner's attorneys, assuring all of us that this is not going to break those nepotism laws that were passed in the 1960s, after jfk made bobby kennedy the attorney general. >> legally they are saying they can do it. i talked to jonathan turley. i said, hey, what's the point of having nepotism laws if you can appoint your son in law senior adviser in the white house. well, when they built these nepotism laws, they did not consider the white house a federal agency in those laws, that's what the trump transition team is saying, because the white house is not an agency, and the president has broad discretion to name the advisers he wants, he can do this. >> richard, you're the perfect person to ask this. the trump team asked you -- what questions are they asking to make sure they're on solid ground ethically and what are you telling them? >> well, i'm not working at all with the trump team, i have
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asked questions of lawyers who represent various people who are up for positions in the administration, and i've given my honest opinion on that. it's debatable. whether it applies to an appointment by the president in the white house it certainly applies to the president making an appointment outside the white house. one point i've emphasized with all the lawyers representing anybody appointed in this add men stras, it's critical to comply with a financial disclosure law and also the financial conflict of interest statutes. these are criminal statutes that prohibit a government official from engaging in any official action that has a direct predictable effect on their financial holdings. this means for mr. kushner, he's going to have to sell quite a lot of holdings, and if he holds on to some real estate, some bank loans, he may have to recuse from some important
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issues, such as the regulation of the financial services industry. it's going to be very important that he follow the rules like everybody else. i hope he will persuade his father-in-law to divest conflict creating assets, to disclose his tax returns and follow the same rules that everybody else does. >> richard -- >> we have a lot of billionaires in this administration, they are not -- they don't necessarily understand the needs of working americans, but at least they can zoo their jobs free of conflicts of interest. >> you were reading everyone's mind on this panel, probably every viewer at home is saying, if jared kushner has to do this, what makes a president-elect so different? why doesn't he have to do it if he's going to hold the top office in the land? >> well, technically, the feenl conflict of interest statute does not apply to the president, there are other provisions that do. such as the constitution will
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prohibit any foreign money coming into trust with the united states government. that applies to kushner and the president. they have to make sure there's no foreign government money coming into these businesses that are still owned by president trump or by jared kushner or anybody else in the united states government. we need to look at wilbur ross, who's a billionaire going over to the congress department. betsy devos going over to the education department. a lot of billionaires here, they need to file their financial disclosure reports and let the american people know what's going on. those who expect senate confirmation, need to file those with the senate before they ask for hearings. >> i want to get jon meacham back in, the meacham team believes these anti-nepotism laws. should they be able to get around this? >> right. you know, the law was passed in '67. it was a rider to a bill that
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president johnson cheerfully signed, to say that president johnson and senator kennedy, the former attorney general were not close is something of an understatement. and so this was seen as pay back for years of rivalry between lbj and rfk. it began to some extent when bobby went down to sound johnson out in 59 about whether or not he was going to run for president. and johnson gave bobby a particularly harsh rifle that knocked him down. you know, son, have you to learn how to shoot a gun like a man. that was the beginning of that romance. when kennedy became attorney general, he was harsh toward johnson. when the tragedy of dallas happened, that tension rose. so there are technicalities here that seems to me the courts, that there probably is a way, obviously for kushner to do this, i think one of the questions, if i were mr. trump,
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which is quite a sub junktive. how do you -- what if you don't like the advice you're getting? can you fire your son in law? can you move him out? it does raise an interesting question on both sides, both outside the ethical questions and on the inside, which in terms of the family dynamic. >> that will be interesting to watch, if it doesn't quite work out, what happens, speaking of that family dynamic, i think what's important, and a lot of people aren't talking about, ivanka, who has a very robust business. is she planning to divest, and what's going to happen with her business? >> she's planning to -- she announced today that she's planning to take a step back from her role at the trump organization and her own brand of fashion, line accessories. jewelry. she's moving to washington, she's moving her whole family, she's going to settle her whole family there. she's taking a step back. it's not to say she's not going to get paid by the trump organization.
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she won't be paid if her brothers decide to make a deal, she won't necessarily get a cut of that specific deal, but she'll get a share of the overall trump organization revenue. >> she is going to be involved in that new d.c. hotel built in the old post office pavilion, down the street from the white house. and according to transition officials who are on this call today, if a matter comes before the white house, that is involving that hotel, jared kushner is going to have to recuse himself, there are going to be some cases here and there. he's not divesting himself of all of his holdings and all of his investments -- >> neither is she. jared kushner is going to have to step back. >> how do we know. >> >> we don't even know. jared has said that he's going to comply with federal laws about what he has to disclose about his financial statements. we don't know what kind of holdings he has. we have no idea what kind of holdings she has, the president has, all of these things are steps in the right direction, but it's still just so opaque.
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>> i don't know if it's a step -- >> it sounds good. >> how do we know that jared kushner is recusing himself or ivanka trump is not getting a cut on some deal. how would the american people know that? >> queer not going to know for sure. but we're going to get a financial statement from him, he's going to be a senior white house employee, and he's going to be subject to a criminal conflict of interest statute, which is a lot better than we are with carl icahn who they claim is not a government employee. though he will be. at least we have the final disclosure forms, and the criminal conflict of interest statute that apply. the department of justice will enforce the criminal conflict of interest statute, they have in the past, they have good prosecutors there, i expect him to comply. that hotel, they have to get rid of that hotel, they have foreign governments coming in there, foreign government money coming
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into that hotel. no person holding a position of trust with the united states government can be receiving profits from dealing with foreign governments. we have lobbyists who stay in that hotel. including the ncaa coaches, athletic directors want to go in there and lobby the president while staying in his hotel. that hotel is going to be an ethics nightmare for the next four years. if they don't get rid of that hotel, change the name, they have one place on pennsylvania avenue they ought to be focused on, and that's the white house. >> john, you'll get the first word on the other side of the break. please bear with me. i'm a little snifflely, you may hear some of that during the show tonight. i apologize in advance. if you're gonna make an entrance...
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we're back to tell you about donald trump's son in law. he's been named a senior adviser. back with me now, jeff acosta. richard was saying, they have to get rid of the hotel on pennsylvania avenue, right? >> yeah, this conversation is of a piece with so many similar conversations that have taken place. since trump came down the escalator at trump tower. we're talking in terms of convention ailties, in terms of
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normal expectations, i think trump has every intention of making his own political rules. the interesting tension is going to be where the law trumps the politics. >> if the job numbers get strong, if in fact, people feel that the country is getting better under a president trump. the political appetite for the raising the kinds of questions, and making these questions stick is going to be fairly minimal. >> jar ed and ivanka are follows the rules. why the double stand aud? >> i don't think there's a double standard. there's a difference in ambition here. jared and ivanka are 35. they're half donald's age and twice as ambitious. they want to have a long career in washington, or at least in
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power. they're taking steps that look good and appear to comply with ethics standards and rules. donald is 70 years old, do you think he's going to have a political future down the road. this is important to people who have been incredibly ambitious. >> why do you think it's tough for him -- ivanka and the two sons who are running the business. as it is already, why is it tough to have him untangleal of his en257k elments. >> we were supposed to have a press conference about all of this in december. >> will that come wednesday. >> nine days before the inning august ouration, is how we're going to find out how trump is going to do all of this. he descended into the lobby of trump tower today and took a few questions from reporters, and dodged a few. one of the questions he took was about this conflict of interest. he said, this is simple, i can
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do this, it's not going to be that tough. it sounds like a donald trump answer to a complex question. as mr. painter was saying earlier, there are no conflicts of interest when you're president of the united states. those conflict of interest restrictions don't apply to you. the clause does apply to you. he is going to have to demonstrate how he's going to disentangle himself from all of these hotels, properties, all over the world that have russian interests and chinese interests. and countries that are not friends of the united states. he's going to have to make it crystal clear to the american people, this is not a problem. yes, he gets the economy going again, he does more of these car company announcements, people are going to be jumping on the bandwagon, there's still the question of the constitution, and if questions of violating the constitution are raised, they're going to be pursued, no matter how popular he is in that oval office. >> if there are ethics conflicts, who's going to hold the president accountable? >> you talked about who would
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hold the advisers and jared kushner and ivanka trump accountable. who would hold the president accountable? >> it depends on the type of conflict, if he holds on to these businesses, we're going to have the mix that people are mixing trump business with the united states government business. and conversations that look like a quid pro quo. there could be an investigation by the department of justice under the gratuity statutes. with respect to the monuments clause, which simply prohibits foreign government payoffs for united states government officials through profit earring or anything else, that is something that the house of representatives might very well look at, and if somebody refuses, to stop taking illegal payments from foreign governments, they would have to resort to impeachment. we're not there yet. i hope this can be resolved. and the vast majority wanted a
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president who represents the interest of the american people. if you can make $15 million an hour, and call it the art of the deal. he's already coming at this from a different perspective. there's only so much of this in charge that voters are going to put up with. i think this is going to sink in quite quickly. >> i have to run, do you think that donald trump thought about this, about all of this disentanglement and xi vesting before he ran for president? >> i think he thinks he can get away with anything. an i -- he said it himself, he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and his numbers would go up, there's been nothing that's happened in the past -- during the transition, it seems to me, that would undercut that central view. he believes in intuition, in his gut. he believes in himself, and i think that's what we're about to deal with.
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they hold a series of confirmation hearings on donald trump's cabinet. a columnist for usa today, she's doing double duty. kevin madden, who is a republican strategist, and jack kingston a former senior adviser to the trump campaign. hello, to all of you, thank you for joining us, i have to ask you all about the moment in the bernie sanders town hall, he had some choice words for trump. >> we are dealing with a man who in many respects is -- how can i phrase this. a pathological liar. and i say that without any -- i have many conservative friends and i disagree with them, they're not liars. time after time after time he says stuff which is blatantly absolutely untrue. >> he's basically calling -- he's saying, van joins, that the president-elect is a liar, what's your reaction?
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>> he's telling the truth, he can't deny. >> it doesn't give me any great joy to say it, in a few days, he's going to be the president of me, of you, of my children, but he has a pattern of saying things that are not true. and then -- and then he won't apologize or retract very easily or very often and that is a bad thing. we should not adopt to absurd identity and pretend that blue is green and green is plaid. it's a true statement. >> not that i'm putting democrats first, but go ahead. >> i think probably -- what's almost as bad or worse, is the gaslighting component of it which is not telling the truth, and telling us that we imagined he didn't tell the truth. for example, that he wasn't imitating that reporter, the disabled reporter, just telling us the things we're looking at are not happening, that is the
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sort of crazy making aspect to it. that he doesn't ever -- people make mistakes and say things that aren't true. but they come back and say, i misspoke. that's not what he said. >> i'm sorry about that, i didn't mean to mock you. >> he just says it didn't happen. >> you next. >> i think it was a nostalgic tour down the golden oldies of birney sanders. efrg was corporate greed, 1%. he opened up saying this election is about sexism and racism and xeno phobe yo, and other tried and failed campaign rhetor rhetoric. to me, one of the bright moments, i have worked with bernien sadders on legislation before. when he said he would work with donald trump on repealing or reforming nafta, he meant that. i worked with him on a drug
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reimportation issue. he will work with somebody if he believes them. it was rhetoric pulled out one more time. >> there was a retread quality to what we saw in the town hall. but i think if i look at this clinically, what he said about donald trump is a collarian call for what the progressives want to see they don't want to normalize trump in anyway they wan the to goo directly, actually, in a personal way, at -- you know, his veracity. >> have you ever seen it this personal? >> yeah, the 2016 race has desensitized a lot of us so much of our outrage, those of us who have worked in politics for a long time, we look at the race,
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and so much of it is a departure from the past p.m. this is the personalization of so many attacks right now, it could potentially be the new normal. >> it's interesting van. >> there are four things that i think progressives are concerned about, his personality is one of them. there's a concern that he's not just a bad role model but a dangerous, air addict person to have on the trigger. there's the personality, then there are the appointments, the personnel. he's putting people in place that progressives have a very hard time with, especially when you're talking about putting people in charge of the epa, who don't believe in global warming. that's -- >> and then third, there's a question of the policies, the sort of rolling back obama care without any real help for 20 million people. the most important thing to me is not the personality, not the personnel, not the policies, it's the principles and the values that we should be one country, we shun the be picking on people because of how they dress or their faith or whether
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they're disabled or not. the principles and values i feel, that's what's under threat for progressives, progressives are there for wanting to fight harder than ever, to defend our principles and values. >> you said, all of those things were said on the campaign trail. now the two years that we're -- from this moment where we are now, and none of it seemed to make a difference. >> one thing is different. >> one thing is different, there was a hope. and i think a false hope, one that even i had, maybe the man you saw on stage during the primaries was just an act and he was going to change for the general election. then there was the hope at the general election. once he is elected and he is the man, that then he's going to become presidential. now there's a fading, dwindling hope that he puts his hand on the bible. i think this is it. >> this is a populous, this is what they do, they rub the feathers the wrong way of the
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establishment. >> bernie sanders was a populace as well. and there were other people who were popula ulists and they did handle themselves this way on the campaign trail. >> i think the idea of going to twitter is great, he goes straight to the american people. donald trump jumped on it today. >> to me, he spoke to the heart of somebody who's simple minded like me, i understood what he was saying. here's this woman that's extremely wealthy and wineny -- >> donald trump goes straight to the heart of the american people. >> he goes to the heart of. >> you were saying donald trump, you thought he would change. when someone shows you who they are. >> fool me once, shame on you.
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back now with van jones.
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kevin, jack kingston said -- >> he's simple minded. that's what i heard. >> he was -- did you say you were -- i didn't want to put words in your mouth. he didn't like the merrill speech last night. >> he didn't ask give himself enough credit. >> there's not a lot of people in the country that liked the speech. i think. >> go ahead. >> i danced in small circles. >> a lot of people on my side of the political prism did not like the speech. i think it was a cliche right now for someone in hollywood to stand up and criticize somebody who's a republican. i do think there was -- there definitely were some heartfelt moments in the speech. it resonated with that
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particular audience. there were things that seemed out of touch with middle america, saying that without them, all we would have is football or mma. this is something that i think continues to sort of dwemonstrae the red state blue state divide we have. >> i would agree with you. except that he is the apprentice, and he is hollywood person son phied. >> you were criticizing her for being a rich celebrity. season the that what donald trump is. >> well, he -- >> it's a yes or no question. >> i don't think that's right.
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i think she was -- >> what's interesting about what kevin said, i didn't see it as a conservative versus a liberal. i think anyone could have given that speech. anyone who's concerned about what she is talking about, someone who is in the position of the president of the united states, who's beating up on people and humiliating people? >> i saw, the first part of it, yeah. >> i agree the mma stuff was a bridge too far, i didn't see her as being a victim. i saw her as standing up for victims. and using her strength to come to the rescue of people who feel vulnerable. i do think this idea of the hollywood elite would sit down and be quiet, the republicans would be happy. they want to feel victimized by the hollywood elite. >> this whole elite thing. >> what are we talking about
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elites. donald trump is a self-proclaimed multibillionaire. it's probably they're richer than -- >> he lives in manhattan. >> why are we using this term elites to apply to a certain group of people, aren't elite people just people who have privilege? that could apply to a lot of people? >> as a football fan, she's talking about my people. >> i thought that was tongue in cheek. >> i'm a football fan. and an mma fan, i didn't take offense to that. >> if hollywood doesn't stop wining, epa is going to have to declare it a wetland. they need to move on -- >> and please, could you tell the friends out there that you have. i know you're well connected. no more videos instructing us how we should behave. just with the cowboys and the westerns. >> the people who are in the middle of the country watch
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movies. consume music and they consume a lot of the arts. you may say these people are disconnected from the arts someone's buying that music, someone's going to the movieses. >> i think that's right. i don't want do interrupt. i'll get to you real quick, i think that's right, i think what they don't like is the idea of being preached to. they're not cultured enough to make up their own mind. to address the issue of elites, i don't think it's about wealth or how much wealth you've accumulated. it has more to do with a mind-set, when a lot of these folks feel like they believe, they know better than others i think that is where there's a backlash toward that type of -- >> it's a level of hypocrisy on this point is almost laughable, in that everybody on this -- here tonight. we spend our lives trying to
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influence public opinion. >> for some reason when hollywood people do it, well known celebrities and artists do it. those people are terrible because they're telling us what to do. >> we're all telling people what to do, and what to think. >> it's how they do it. >> how they do it. >> this whole idea, remember the idea of american exceptionalism? what happened to that? >> i thought that conservatives were the folks who wanted american exceptionalism the most out of everyone. any time someone fights to be the built what is wrong with that, i stwaen wasn't that cull touche ali aware maybe some people are just not in certain places. what is wrong with admitting that what's wrong with aspiring to that. when someone does aspire to that, why do you call them an elite. >> i want to know. >> remember, donald trump likes
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the arts, he wrote a book about it, it's called the art of the deal. >> let me say this. >> he lives in a culture capital of the world. >> to somebody who has been in policy making, i find it frequently offensive when some hollywood actor comes in and rungs their mouth. they have a huge bully pulpit. they often engarj in debates they have no idea what they're talking about. >> i had this -- i have to go, the producers are telling me to go. i had this conversation with a friend just last night. she had this bully pulpit, and he wasn't there to defend himself. donald trump could hold a press conference and knocked the golden globes off the air for as long as he wanted to. i digress, i'll get off my soap box know. the elite capital of the world next to hollywood and washington, d.c.. and chicago maybe. >> thank you, everyone.
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drama ahead for donald trump's pick for attorney general. cory booker and john lewis are each scheduled to appear as witnesses against him. meanwhile, senator sessions is deep into his preparation for the hearing. dana bash has more. >> don, i'm told jeff sessions spent the weekend with his team in his senate office doing final prep for tomorrow's confirmation hearing. for years, sessions has been a member of the judiciary hearing that will decide his fate. it's the same committee who was blocked from being a federal judge three decades ago 37.
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>> jeff sessions was the first u.s. senator to endorse him. >> this is a moment. look at what's happening. >> the kbam bam republican gave the new york reality tv star credibility with the gop base. because jefferson beauragard sessions the third is from the heart of alabama. 30 years ago, when ronald reagan nominated sessions to be a federal judge, democrats blocked him. something sessions rarely talked about, but did with us in 2009. >> it was not a pleasant event, i have to tell you. it was so heart breaking. >> he was accused of racial insensitivity, calling a black lawyer boy. >> i am not a racist, i am not insensitive to blacks. >> sessions was pounded by democrats, including then senator joe biden. >> they may have taken positions
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that i consider to be adverse to the security interests of the united states. >> does that make them unamerican? >> no, sir, it does not. >> that was not fair, that was not accurate, those were false charges and distortions of anything that i did. # i never had those kind of views. >> now, the son of civil rights activists, who sessions prosecuted for voter fraud is coming to his defense. >> i don't think he's a racist. >> he's worked extensively with sessions, who was elected senator 20 years ago. >> when i talked to senator sessions about historical black colleges and trying to get historical black colleges assistance and funding, he list listened. i can go on and on about the particular irish yous that jeff
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sessions and i have discussed. >> susan collins was elected the same year. >> you don't agree with him on a lot of issues? >> we don't agree on a host of issues. >> she plans to introduce sessions at his confirmation hearing for attorney general. >> i don't know what happened more than 30 years ago, i do know the jeff sessions i have worked with in the past 20 years, i want a person of integrity and experience. and jeff sessions has all of those characteristics and qualities. >> sessions spent two decades in the senate fighting for conservative causes. did team up on a bill with this high ranking democrat. dick durbin was trying to reduce the penalty for crack cocaine, which was 100 times higher than powder cocaine, he saw sessions
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in the senate gym. >> we're putting our clothes on, getting ready to leave. jeff, give me a number. if you can't do one to one, i won't go for 100 to 1. what is it? it was 18. we agreed. >> durbin says he disagrees with sessions on most legal issues, which makes it hard to support him for attorney general. other democrat s sessions got t know in the gym agree. >> if he made you trade -- head of the trade representative, we'd be working together very well. you keep these positions on immigration, you keep these positions on civil rights and voting rights, it's going to be hard for me to support you. >> from democrats about bonding with sessions in the senate gym, he's part of the senate club, however, you could also hear from those democrats who know and like sessions, they are unlikely to vote for him, since they disagree so staunchly with him on issues that he would oversee as attorney general.
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