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poverty, joblessness, under resourced schools and divested communities of color. you have third graders ordering food through glass every day. president asked us to organize and organizations are doing this work, not just us. >> what's the question brother? >> getting to it. what will the new administration do specifically to reduce gun violence? chicago beyond 140 characters and hashtag, serious mistrust for governments and police. >> i don't know what the trump administration is going to do but your point about the gun violence being more of a symptom rather than the cause is so critical. what is the cause? high crime occurs in high poverty areas.
what is poverty due to? lack of jobs. so i don't know if any of you read george bush's biography, "decision points" he tells a story about a question he would ask every leader. what keeps you up at night? george bush it was terrorism but asked the president of china, he said to him, what keeps me up at night is creating 25 million jobs a year for my people. do you not want people kept up at night about how to create good paying jobs and high unemployment areas right? that will stop violence. >> that sounds great. love it, all for it. but talking about epidemic of violence, before you start talking about 25 million jobs
don't we have to acknowledge that democrats have thot treated this like national emergency? >> i agree with you on that but if somebody has a job not joining a gang. >> nothing stops a bullet like a job. i'm with you on that one. >> and that means -- in chicago, urban areas but also in high poverty rural areas too. both areas you have opioid addiction, et cetera, in rural areas as you were describing, need a strategy to bring jobs in america in global economy. that's what i want to see from donald trump. what is the strategy for doing this. >> you're a good politician and got it all out. where is kyle? he's a young man, republican who goes to yale. what's your question? >> back to jobs. trump has promised to bring back manufacturing jobs.
>> great. >> how do you see the trump administration distancing itself from continuing crony capitalism -- capitalist policies and making sure the government isn't picking winners and loses in tweet or press conference. >> he has been doing that and frankly every governor in the country does it, uses tax credits et cetera to lure jobs. only tools we have. way you get jobs in america is to have a strategy thinking about every policy you have, how does this create jobs in the country? maybe tax reform is portion of it but there's nothing wrong with a region deciding we have got these assets and will be great at making this advanced manufacturing product. not going to get all of it back but can get an awful lot back if compete like germany has done.
moderating a panel, said which country makes it irresistible for you to outside to go there? said singapore. what is it about singapore, what are they doing we're not? and they said it's not just about taxes but fact assembling land for us to locate factories there, training people for specifically the jobs coming out of that factory, providing access to capital, wraparound strategy to be irresistible. we have got to be irresistible to advanced manufacturers in the globe or will lose out. i would like to see a comprehensive plan from the trump administration. >> there's one place that needs those jobs. ohio. young man here. jake, what's your question?
>> thanks for the opportunity. it seems over the past few weeks and months trump's relationship with the media is increasingly confrontational. how do you think it will affect americans searching for real truth in the media and repercussions with specifically the effect it will have on his views on the credibility of the media. >> it's such an important question and i hope you all here and folks watching at home understand and see what is happening with -- an effort to create an alternative channel of media to define which media is good and which media is bad by the trump administration -- incoming administration, the press conference today was an example of that a bit. we should all be alarmed if there is no transparency. becaused media can't do their job without transparency, the
media is an arm of democracy. you can't be informed citizen if you don't have active media with access to the arms of government. including the presidency. so this jamal you were saying the president called last night, called everybody to stand up. this is an issue that people should be on the edge of their seat about. there has to be transparency. yes people have to release their tax returns, it's a basic thing. we have to know what the decisions are being made and is our foreign policy for sale? maybe it's not but only way we can be confident about it is if the media have access. media is you, they are your voice. bottom line is something everybody should be concerned about. >> your passion for democracy is unrivalled. big round of applause.
>> are we done already? >> goes fast. thank all my guests and audience and you at home. had honest conversation here. it's your turn around the kitchen table and water cooler, keep the conversation going, stay human. i'll be back on the 25th of january for the next "the messy truth" and have a special guest named whoopi goldberg but "cnn tonight" starts with don lemon right now. thank you very much van jones, appreciate that. begin with breaking news about the director of national intelligence speaking out tonight speaking with president-elect donald trump and bring in senior white house correspondent and national
security correspondent. minutes ago the director of national intelligence issued a statement about the report presented to the president-elect and what was included in it. what does it say? >> he says he spoke to the president-elect about the briefing. this evening i had the opportunity to speak with president-elect donald trump to discuss recent media reports about our briefing on friday, i expressed profound dismay about the leaks appearing in the press and both agree corrosive and damaging to national security. also discussed the document widely -- even before the intelligence community became aware of it. i emphasize this is not a u.s. intelligence community product and i don't believe the leaks came from within the ic. it has not made judgment that
the information is reliable and didn't rely on it in any way for your conclusions. however part of our obligation is ensure that policy makers are provided with fullest picture of any matters that would affect national security. president-elect trump again affirmed -- serve the administration and american people. signed james r. clapper. highlight a line at end. references this document that was part of cnn's story, not the contents of the document but the story yesterday, exclusive, was this document had been included, synopsis in the intelligence briefing on friday to the president-elect and to president obama that fbi is investigating allegations and members of
congress republican and democrat consider them serious and also ask for further investigation, donald trump today at press conference denied veracity of the document and attacked cnn and called us fake news and that was continued by kellyanne conway in interview a while ago. we didn't detail the allegations inside but detailed that synopsis was included in the briefing. mentions that document and goes on to say that part of our obligation is to make sure that policy makers are aware of any matters that might affect national security. hard to read in any other way than to confirm as part of the obligation they presented this information as we reported yesterday in the intelligence
briefing. remarkable statement to reveal a private conversation with the president about this and on a matter that the president has contested boldly in public a few hours before in the press conference. >> and again i think you pointed out important line and important to point it out again. essentially confirming cnn's reporting. >> i find no real other way to read that line. we were already very confident in our reporting. i'll remind our viewers we spoke to more than a dozen high ranking officials from number of agencies and buildings around washington. already confident but here you have a public reference to that document, memos, that contain the allegations regarding president-elect trump and possible at least exposure to compromise by russia. he references that document and immediately after says the intelligence community has
obligation to provide all information. and end of the sentence, any matters that might affect national security. gets to why included in the briefing. made a judgment not confirming these as factual but made a judgment it might or knowledge of it might. >> jim acosta. what's your reaction? >> i think it's important statement. director of national intelligence on the way out with no loyalty to donald trump trying to set the record straight. exactly what is implied in the memo that jim just read. donald trump went after the news media and intelligence community. let's not lose sight of that. once again went after them and accused them being part of political sphere to delegitimize his presidency. let's play a clip from the news conference. >> it's all fake news.
phony stuff. it didn't happen. and it was gotten by opponents of ours as you know because you reported it and so did many of the other people. it was a group of opponents that got together, sick people. and they put that crap together. it should never have been released. i read what was released and i think it's a disgrace, absolute disgrace. >> this statement from james clapper clearly refutes what he said at podium today. >> i think it does. would be great to have clapper come on, perhaps get him on camera at some point but confirming to us additional information was provided to the president-elect at this meeting on friday. when we pressed donald trump about this today he said can't comment on classified matters, also heard from other officials
but director was saying other things presented to donald trump besides the findings and includes the other material which was there to give the president-elect a heads up that perhaps the russians may have something damaging on you. >> and just because the whole thing in question whether or not they spoke about it verbally but it was in the actual report and would assume he would read entire report. >> one way or another appears to have been in the presentation that occurred last friday and director of national intelligence appears to be confirming that in this statement. >> lot of discuss. this is very important update and facet and development to this story. bring in carl bernstein as well. cnn's political commentator. what do you make of the statement? >> essentially says that the story that we reported that donald trump was presented with this two-page document, was
indeed accurate. and even goes to why it was presented, pretty much what we said in the story as well. it was seen as affecting the national security. our report which did not make any value judgments about any of the memorandum, the 35 pages of really raw intelligence obtained by a paid investigator, our story did not go into those allegations but rather the fact that intelligence community, chiefs of the national security intelligence agencies of the united states had decided that the information in the two-page document was important enough, underlying materials were important enough to call them to the attention of the president of the united states and the president-elect. that's really what this statement confirms. >> so i want to bring in --
stand by carl. ke kir citizen powers. >> it's really incredible if you consider the interview that anderson cooper did with kellyanne conway earlier, essentially confirming the reporting and kellyanne conway was not only -- >> i have that. let me sort of explain what's happening here. at press conference donald trump and his spokesman tried to conflate cnn's reporting with bu buzzfeed's, they published a report cnn did not and kellyanne conway had this exchange. >> what cnn said was i quote, classified documents presented last week to president obama and president-elect trump included allegations that russian operatedives claimed to have compromising information about
trump. >> and it's not true. >> anderson your sources are not correct. >> so you're saying in that intelligence briefing, there was no information in any of the documents that -- of that summary? >> dtwo things, we don't discus the classified information -- >> you just said it wasn't true. >> you want me to talk. i know cnn is feeling the heat. >> i think you guys are. >> what heat do we feel? you've got this raw information, this complete ridiculous fake news. >> so in light of what you know tonight -- >> not only wasn't true with you bent extra step telling anderson cooper cnn would need to clean house, essentially fire you and
other reporters for doing bad reporting. moved this into area unprecedented, telling media organizations to fire people they wrote stories they didn't like that she knew was true. she knew it was true and said it wasn't and we have confirmation it wasn't true. >> fake news is putting something out there you know not to be true. >> sit down and make things up. >> if anyone is doing fake news it is the other side, intentionally putting out falsehoods. >> and they're conflating this, buzzfeed and cnn over and over no matter how many times, to go on and claim that people should be losing their jobs when she knew perfectly well this happened is really incredible. >> it's interesting carl
bernstein, having dealt with watergate and people are comparing this to watergate and nixon administration and his contentious relationship with the media, is this different to you? are you concerned about this administration in that comparison? >> first say that watergate and events of trump and underlying facts are different events. but when you talk about the press, in watergate the basic response of the president of the united states to what we were reporting in watergate was to make the conduct of the press, "the washington post," the issue in watergate instead of the conduct of the president and his men. exactly happening here. making the issue that conduct of the press, cnn and other news organizations often, make conduct of the press the issue rather than the conduct of the
president-elect and men and women around him. that is a really important parallel because it is a way of trying to move and deceive the country about what the real questions are here. it's not conduct of the press. we need to know about the underlying issues of mr. trump's businesses. that's really what all of this started as. and so far seen a response to attack the press rather than be transparent and forthcoming about the mr. trump's businesses. then escalated today in his press conference and then with kellyanne conway tonight to a kind of declaration of warfare that yes is similar to what we saw in watergate in terms of trying to deflect attention from the president-elect and put it on the press instead. >> jim i want you to stand by
for the button. carl bernstein brought up attacking the press. jim acosta was part of this. after mischaracterized cnn's rorgt, tried to ask a follow-up question. >> since you're attacking our news organization. >> not you, your organization is terrible. >> can you give us a chance to ask a question. >> she's asking a question. don't be rude. >> you're attacking us can you give us a question. >> not going to give you a question. >> can you state categorically. >> you are fake news. >> can you state categorically -- mr. president-elect that's not appropriate. >> has this ever happened to you before? >> no covered four presidents and i asked president obama once
why can't we take out the bastards about the terrorism. you ask hard questions. >> i expected woman or man who followed to yield their time or say my question is jim's question. maybe the reporter wasn't thinking but i think it's time for the press to stand up for each other. i thought it would have been -- >> i don't hold anything against colleagues today. in the heat of the moment and had a lot of questions to ask. haven't had a news conference since he was elected president of the united states. unprecedented and lot of people asked what are we going to do about donald trump? i said not anything, we're going to do the news. that's what we're going to do. the news and rest will take care of itself. this week coming after cnn, next week could be yours. >> that's why i said -- >> we do need to stand together. >> could be fox, msnbc, and
person behind, all the other person has to do is yield time to the reporter before me, please answer that question or restate it. >> when i have sean spicer coming to me in the news conference saying if you do that again, throw you out, that's never happened to me before. 20 years covering news, more than ten years covering campaigns. what it tells me and what we saw in the campaign with "washington post" reporters barred from events and buzzfeed, this president and team don't have respect for the first amendment the way other presidents have had. >> i saw sean spicer and he said you were rude. what if you called him a fake president? >> i don't want to get to the name calling. >> but for him to say you were rude is ironic to me.
>> i was being persistent. and i like sean spicer, respect him. he probably doesn't want me to say that right now. i like kellyanne conway and respect her but we've got a job to do. if this president doesn't want to answer questions, shouldn't hold a news conference. >> tell us how the top level officials handle this information and importance of the verification, put a button on it. you're ot forefront of this reporting. >> start with this. team effort. myself. tapper, bernstein and large are team behind that. today we had the president-elect of the united states accuse cnn and my colleague there jim acosta, accuse the organization of fake news. terrible he repeated multiple times. when in fact a short time later the director of national
intelligence speaks to the president-elect and releases a statement that directly contra dicts. read it again. part of the obligation is ensure that policy makers are provided with fullest information that might affect national security. referencing the document we were first to report. contradicting the allegation, and this is highest national security official in the land, just an hour after kellyanne conway for a half hour accused us of fake news. i think it's remarkable moment. and james clapper, he will go to hearings, he has certainly done interviews with us myself at cnn and others. but to issue a statement in his name after speaking directly to the president-elect, he's setting the record straight. we did a lot of hard work on this story, already very confident in our reporting, but
just note this is fairly powerful backing on paper. >> quickly. >> how much do you want to bet going to now attack clapper and claim he's part of the big conspiracy of making up lies about donald trump? >> running out of people to be in the conspiracy. >> fantastic reporting. thank you jim acosta, jim sciutto, carl bernstein and kirstin, i appreciate you buying here as well. [vo] quickbooks introduces rodney.
this is our breaking news on cnn, director of national intelligence speaking with president-elect donald trump and releasing this statement. read it in full. this evening i had the opportunity to speak sw president-elect donald trump to discuss recent media reports about our briefing last friday. i expressed my profound dismay about the leaks appearing in the press and both agree damaging to national security, also discussed the document widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of congress and congressional staff before the ic became aware of it. i emphasize this is not a u.s. intelligence community product and i do not believe the leaks came from within the ic. not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable and we did not rely upon it in any way for our
conclusions. however part of our obligation is to ensure that policy makers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security. president-elect trump again confirmed admiration for men and women in the ic community and i assured him ready to serve his administration and american people. discuss with fareed zakaria. >> i think it seems to -- what clapper is saying implies that this was briefed to trump. we now have a lead story in "the washington post" by greg miller in which they spoke to several u.s. officials. spoke on the condition of anonymity said the nature of the summary fully explained to trump
and put into context. he again affirms that trump was briefed on this document. explained to them, essentially what clapper said, not u.s. intelligence product but want you to know this is out there and you might need to know about it. >> this report essentially confirming cnn's reporting and saying he was briefed. >> "washington post" report talks to multiple officials. >> why the denial? >> if you look at press conference it was almost not a press conference but campaign event. began with sean spicer, then mike pence, a series of choreographed attacks on the media. then trump. if you think about it in terms of the campaign, what they've been running even after trump was elected president, campaign strategy, attack, attack, tack, puts everybody else on the
offense and by the way, don't have to answer harder questions. jim acosta's question was to ask has anybody in the campaign had any contact with the russian government? refused to answer. abc news asked and appended do you have any message to vladimir putin, chose to answer the second part of the question, no the the first. one of the purposes of the press briefing to divulge how trump was going to deal with conflicts of interest to his business only came up an hour and 40 minutes into the press conference. part of the strategy is theatrical campaign event in which they control the agenda, put everybody else on the offensive and we'll see if it works. it's unusual. whole strategy of running a campaign once you're elected president is highly unusual to put it mildly.
>> so the question is what happens now? i spoke with jim sciutto, jim acosta, carl bernstein, kirsten powers saying this is unprecedented. what does the press and country do now? >> press has to keep doing its job, keep asking questions and hope for greater access and transparency. question is whether this works. what the country's reaction is. does it view that thas legitimate defense? he's embattled and the victim? or view it as strategy of obfuscation and refusing to answer questions? >> i'm glad you said that there's rarely any trung what you ask a spokesperson a direct
question. rarely answer directly and truthfully, strings of truth or completely deflect. kellyanne conway on with anderson, sean spicer on fox tonight. he's a stand-up guy and kellyanne conway is good at what she does but doesn't answer the question. >> that's often happened but what is unusual, after he gets elected president goes on thank you tour. that's unusual because minute you're elected you're now president of all the people, those who voted for you and those who didn't. you don't single out your supporters. campaign mode persisted into the transition team, if it persists into the presidency, it poses a huge problem because in a way he's continuing to govern almost just for the people who voted for him. and let's remember, a majority of americans who voted didn't vote for donald trump. >> and message if you challenge him, i'll shut you down?
which happened to jim acosta today? >> i think more emotional outbursts, i don't know if the threats will be followed through. "washington post," threatened to ban them from campaigns. did it for a couple of weeks and lost interest and they were let back in. >> where do you see the relationship with the intelligence community with the administration? it has to get better. i can see in the statement that director of national intelligence is trying to -- i assured him have best interests at heart and he assured me we would work together. trying to establish a relationship here which will be tough. >> and it's worrying. because when trump is conducting foreign policy, dealing on north korea, going to rely on u.s. intelligence and showing to american allies saying trust me this is credible. dealing with russia on ukraine or any issue or conducting a
drone strike, telling pakistany government it's credible. going to all these people you're calling nazis and affirm their credibility to the rest of the world, saying trust these guys, unusual -- many things with this presidency, highly unusual. >> thank you so much. we'll be right back. if you're told you have cancer,
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normal. president-elect of the united states sort of manufacturing as he tends to do in the campaign a feud, a fight that sometimes resembles a little kid's soccer game. he kicks the ball and all the kids follow it. that's the pattern going forward. it's responsibility of all of us, citizens, reporters, everybody to try to keep our eye and hopefully push him toward the real business of the country. >> keep our eye on the ball which is not the one they want to push but the real business of the country, i like the way you put that. talk about the press conference richard this is for you. finally learned about donald trump's plan for his business empire. going to resign leadership, not divesting but transferring control to don jr. and eric. still receive reports on his company's profitability and
stick make deals in the u.s. but not foreign countries and donate any profits from foreign governments to his hotels to the u.s. treasury. what do you make of that? >> wasn't a press conference but a pr event and not a divestment plan, merely passing management of the business to his sons and other people appointed by them and leaves all the problems intact. made a token effort for the foreign government payments, saying some of the payments from the hotels given over to the u.s. government but lot of other foreign government sorsz of payments and loans from foreign government owned banks. no plan for those.
and buildings all over the world posing national and global security risk, who is going to protect those buildings? foreign governments, united states government? are people going to lose their lives when attacks on buildings because of the president's name up on a building in mumbai or indonesia. all intact. heard no solutions. i'm very disappointed and unfortunate because he has a week to figure this out before he becomes president and he has important job to do, not just looking out after his own financial interests. >> emily you say the plan to donate to the u.s. treasury from the foreign government payments to hotels, said could make things more complicated for him. is that because of the clause in the constitution? why make things worse? >> reason he's getting rid of this system of -- there's a
problem here. problem is that a foreign official can stay at the trump hotel, pay the bill at hotel and could be seen as conflict of interest and violation of the emmoliments clause. he said today instead giving it to the u.s. treasury. foreign money potentially influencing the u.s. treasury. not sure i understand the logic of how that clears anything up. >> you said it was a direct threat. how does this make a difference? >> we have in the bush administration, if people received gifts, whether from foreign governments or other impermissible gifts one answer was to turn that over to the united states government.
that can be a solution to some impermissible gifts. but the problem here is that he's only talked about the profits in the hotels. and foreign government money extends well beyond the hotels. and loans from the bank of china i believe are outstanding, controlled by chinese government. have not yet be told about foreign funds and whether partners in business ventures around the world. there's a lot going on in the trump empire, a lot of foreign money out there, not limited to the hotels. needs to divest himself or come up with another plan to clean sweep the foreign government money out of there. and more than that. lot of it is private foreign money. >> stand by, get to the break. talk more about that and play something from the press
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and we're back with our panel talking about possible conflicts of interest and press conference that was had today at trump tower. bring back emily, john and richard. get your reaction. >> over the weekend i was offered $2 billion to do a deal in dubai with an amazing man, a great developer from the middle east. hussein dumac, a friend of mine, great guy. offer offered $2 billion to do a deal in dubai, a number of deals. i turned it down. i didn't have to turn it down because i have no conflict situation because i'm president. didn't know about it until three months ago but it's nice to have.
didn't want to take advantage of something. >> so the whole idea is i guess to make the american people feel there is no conflict of interest but pointing out potential one he turned down last week. explain that. >> i was reminded when abraham lincoln mentioned his dubai deal at cooper union on the way to the presidency. i mean this is funny but it's not. again it's this hyperbolic new normal that we're in. he wants us to give him credit for not entering into what would be ethical morass in the middle east. exacerbated the whole situation by his realization that he does not have many of the traditional conflict of interest policies that apply to the executive office of the president himself. and i don't know about anybody else but when donald trump is able to say it doesn't apply to me, its not the most reassuring
ethos in which to begin. here's what i think overall. if president trump can deliver for the people who has supported him and beyond, help the economic growth rate, keep the jobless rate going down even farther and produce in a real way, a lot of these issues will probably not achieve a great deal of political traction. if he does not deliver, i think these kinds of questions about the businesses and trusts will gain political traction with prosecutors, congress, and we'll see it beginning to consume even more of our political time. >> as you watched emily, what was your reaction? >> i watched it live, felt i had to lift my jaw off the floor. really amazing thing. quite interesting strategy for someone to call a press conference to address a conflict of interest and shine a spotlight on a glaring conflict
he said he avoided. who knows what other conflicts he's been approached with, what other deals people are coming to him with, no way of knowing what is going to happen. still not released tax returns. found it to be interesting tactic, doesn't put a lot of confidence in the american people. >> to jon meacham's point its all about performance. if he does perform this won't matter. >> well i'm not sure i agree with that. i think the american people expect standards of integrity from our elected officials. and that statement that i don't have a conflict of interest situation because i'm president, that's just not true. there's one criminal conflict of interest statute that does not apply to him. he can't be prosecuted criminally for financial conflicts of interest.
it is up to the voters to vote against him when he runs for re-election if he has financial conflicts of trchlt it's up to the united states house of representatives to investigate conflicts of interest on the part of the president and other executive branch officials, and if necessary take action to impeach and remove the president if he is conducting himself in a manner that consists of high criminals and misdemeanors, that doesn't mean you have to have a crime prosecutable under united states states code 208, which is the specific statute that doesn't apply. the clause applies to him and we're going to find out he's no the above the law and we're not going to tolerate a president in this country who thinks he is
above the law. >> this is another example. remains unclear how trump will handle the lease for newly built trump hotel leased from government services administration. lease says can't be held by elected official but determined by head of the gsa, individual who trump will appoint. other trump appointees will be making decisions that affect trump businesses. what are examples? >> first is the attorney general. trump currently has 3$300 millin worth of debt with deutsch bank, and headed by attorney general over the justice department appointed by donald trump. and irs, has said reason won't release tax returns because
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