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breathing through oxygen mask breathing through oxygen mask covered california. it's more than just health care. it's life care. welcome back. cnn is live tonight at the george washington university with one week till the inauguration of donald trump. house speaker paul ryan is our guest. i see you got your packer pin on. >> you bet i do. >> but i do want to turn to one serious question. obviously, the nation is in the throes of an opioid epidemic. i want to introduce you to craig moss from upstate new york to join us tonight. he's attended more than 40 trump rallies during the campaign. >> hello. i lost my son, rob j.r. moss three years ago to a heroin
overdose. heroin comes into the towns and just ruins the communities and families. and my question to you, sir, is do you and the members of congress intend to support donald trump's stance on protecting our borders by supporting his recommendations so that he can slow down that heroin that's coming into this country? and secondly, are there any laws currently being put together that would provide and mandate and i stress mandate stepdown procedures for folks that are being prescribed oxycontin and that type drug. >> by stepdown, just to, you mean, helping wean people on these opioids, wean them off. >> yes, sir. >> unfortunately, i have heard too many stories like yours just in the last couple of years. i'm really sorry about the loss of your son. i'm thinking of two buddies of mine in janesville, wisconsin who lost their sons just like
you did. this affects everybody and it is an epidemic raging through our country. so yes, on your border question. it's one of the reasons i said why we're building the border wall and fence. this is one of the reasons because we're getting so many drugs coming in from the southern border in particular which is making it so much more high end supply and low in price. this is one of the big reasons why we need to secure our board ber yes we do support our president-elect in doing that. we just passed legislation last month on opioid reform on a whole host of issues. we just, literally, it went into law about a month ago. and it doesn't mandate stepdowns but it pushes a lot of reforms like you just said, which is fixing the way prescriptions are written in america, digitizing these so that you can make sure
that a person can't go shopping around for prescriptions, and making sure that physicians who prescribe these know what they're prescribing and to guard against the kinds of problems because typically what happens is you get hurt. you know, you get in a car accident. you get a pain killer and that progressively takes you farther down the road to where you're addicted to opioids and then comes heroin. that is the classic progression we've seen. and that is what our landmark legislation, one of the things i'm most proud of this past year, republicans and democrats came together seeing this was a raging epidemic to pass the most sweeping legislation in this area we've ever passed. and we put then a few weeks ago, at the before christmas, i passed legislation funding it. putting a lot of money out to the states to fund this new policy. so much so that our governor. wisconsin, scott walker is just now convening a special session of our state legislature to deal
with all the new federal funds coming into the state to fight opioid abuse and fight its law enforcement, it's medical professionals, and it's counseling and it's prevention. we have to have a full front war against this opioid ep dick minimum. that is exactly what we passed and funded just a couple weeks ago. so this is happening everywhere in this country. and thank you for going around and talking about it. you need to help, thank you for making people aware into god bless you. >> a lot of people in your shoes. we are really sorry. all right. a lot of emotional questions. a lot of tough stories. >> it's a tough time in the country. >> it is a tough time in the country. on a slightly lighter note, christine is a grad constituent in the school of public health at gw. >> i'm 23. so as a millennial into where are you from? >> from frederick, maryland, like 45 minutes e away. as a millennial, many people in my generation have twitter at least follow social media.
donald trump has made a habit of calling out those who disagree with him. >> he did it to me all the time in the campaign. >> exactly. on his own twitter account. i wanted to know how you feel his tweeting habs will affect both foreign and domestic policy in the united states. >> i'm going to go out on a limb. i'm going to say this is going to be a very unconventional president. >> you think? >> all right. so. >> what do you mean by that? >> so he is going to -- i think he's going to keep doing this, and i think he's going to be probably a little more restrained in his tweets probably. but it's all relative. >> really. >> xwu give >>. >> i do believe it's been extremely effective for getting elected president. he was able to touch and tap into people's hearts and minds unlike, look, i ran for vice president in 2012. i was part of a national campaign.
and i am just amazed at how well he connected with so many people. i think he did that because of this. and so i think he believes, no, i don't think he believes. i think he has a very special personal relationship with individuals. so he connects directly with them in this country. and that's what i think is very interesting in this age we are in. where you don't as a public official, have to go through the media to communicate to people. you can do it directly. and he has mastered that. so much so that he is now about to be sworn in as president of the united states. i don't think he's going to stop doing that. i think he's going to continue to work on mastering that. how it affects domestic and foreign policy, i don't know. we're going to end foo out because we're in uncharted territory. he has mastered not just public opinion but communicating directly with people and getting around the filters and that is something that i think he feels very strongly about the fact
he's given voice to a lot of people who felt they've not been heard that have been voiceless. >> let me ask you a question about social media which is your tenure as speaker of the house has been in this age of wild social media. what written about you on social media has been the most amusing to you and what has been the most irksome. >> i don't really pay attention to it. you get really thick skin doing this kind of a job. so things don't really bother me too much because if it's a irksome, you kind of laugh it off. you know, i actually do know what a dab is, just for the record. it's this. you know? i do. so the most amusing thing was what a week ago when we swore people in this congressman's son, we were doing the pose. he wasn't doing a dab. it looked likess sneezing. he was holding a bible and going like this. that's not dabbing in my
opinion. cam newton dabs. >> you took issue with his technique. >> and i thought he was sneezing. so you know, looked a little strange to me at the time. so i think that kind of vent viral and i got made fun of for that. >> i thought it was funny. >> he's been a great sport. let's give a big hand to speaker ryan. and everyone else who made this town hall possible. thank you so much. a special thanks to our parents at george washington university and you're audience asking the questions, shares their stories. cnn will have extensive live coverage inauguration of donald trump. don lemon picks up now. good luck to your packers. >> i know you're a texas fan but hey, go packers. >> thank you. everyone, thank you very much. you just saw our cnn town hall with house speaker paul ryan. can he unify his party with just eight days to go till donald trump takes the oath of office as he leaves the stage there in washington? this is cnn tonight.
thank you so much for joining us. we have break is news for you. multiple u.s. officials telling cnn fbi director james comey and president-elect donald trump had a one-on one conversation at last week's briefing. during that conversation, comey personally briefed trump on the two-page synopsis of unsubstantiated claims that russia may have compromising information on him. meanwhile, vice president biden confirms that he and president obama were briefed last week on russian claims. in the midst of the tumultuous transition, a review announced today of the handling of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. plus, congress taking the first steps to repeal obamacare. the senate voted today. the house expected to vote tomorrow. there is a whole lot to get to in the next couple hours. i want to get to mark preston and david. also with me former white house sect ari fleischer and david gergen. jim sciutto is with us, as well
and commentator carl bernstein. we have a very full house. a very full screen for the audience at home. i appreciate it. mark, i'm going to start with you. mark preston that is. first, your thoughts on paul ryan, the town hall? what was your biggest take away what the first 100 days will bring? >> well, three quick things that were extremely important. one the speaker of the house said he plans to have a repeal and replace bill for obamacare done within the first 100 days. that is a very ambitious effort on his part but something that donald trump the president-elect has said he has wanted. he also has talked about russia. he was specifically very hard on vladimir putin. he described russia as a menace but not only a menace, a global menace that does not share our interests. our interests being the united states' interests at this time. he also talked about how russia violates our neighbors. this flies in the face of what we've seen the president-elect
have to say about russia and at the very end, he talked about social media and how donald trump has been able to really harness it for public opinion. he says that in some ways he has mastered it, but don, when asked how he thought this would affect domestic policy getting things done, ryan said we'll have to wait and see. >> flesh, i want to go with you. the first question he got was about obamacare and the man who said i want to thank the president. i was saved by president obama. i'm alive today. >> right. >> he's having to reassure gop lawmakers nervous about repealing too quickly when there is little consensus on the replacement. >> well, frankly, i think all this is going to pass. it's been a good debate to have because republicans would make a terrible mistake if they repealed obamacare and didn't have something to fix it. you can't do that to people. it leaves people who have been dependent on it, even the few people for whom it has worked, it means the world to them. you can't yank something out
from underneath somebody like that. what you have to do is make it work because for the rest of the american people whose premiums are skyrocketing and deductibles are so high, it's falling apart and its own. you can't have a period of uncertainty where hospitals, doctors, insurance companies who we all as individuals rely on to pay for our health care have no clue what's coming. it's the wise thing to do but warning to the republicans, they must repeal it. if they don't, they'll pay a massive price and need to move quickly to be good government types and fix it and replace it. >> the senate of course, taking the first step. the president-elect tweeted about that today to repeal obamacare and now it is onto the house. of course, as usual, he tweeted about it. david chalian, what other news did speaker ryan make tonight? >> well, it certainly i agree with mark preston saying the talk on russia doesn't sound at all like what we hear from donald trump talking about russia and putin. the other thing was so interesting was the talk on
immigration and specifically the dreamers, that executive action taken all the way back in june of 2012 that barack obama took to allow some of the dreamers to stay here. one dreamer was talking to paul ryan and he said it is not a priority to get those folks out of the country. it's a priority to get violent criminals out of the countries and he said that the president-elect has made that clear to congress. that is very interesting because he suggested there's going to be legislation to come to deal with the dreamers in what he called a humane fashion. that is a far different from the, quote unquote, deportation force we heard about during the campaign from donald trump. >> jim, i want to turn to your reporting now. sources are now cnn james comey did brief donald trump on the two-page synopsis sis on the unsubstantiated claims that russia may have compromising information on him. this comes as vice president biden confirmed he and president obama were also briefed
confirming the story that you, evan perez, carl bern teen an, jake tapper that you broke earlier this week. explain what we know tonight. >> it's clear it happened. right? we were confident of our reporting and spoke to more than a dozen high ranking officials before you now have people coming out on the record, people who were in the room. director of national intelligence james clapper, his statement last night and the vice president biden who was obviously in the room when president obama was briefed on this. we know it happened. we know this two-page synopsis of unsubstantiated allegations that russia has compromising personal and financial information on donald trump. we know that that was briefed to the president and the president-elect. also today, 100 senators got a closed session briefing on russian hacking of the election which also included this. so it happened. the facts are there. why is that important. >> one, it's clear that donald trump and his team is misleading whether he it says it didn't
happen and, of course, that matters because you know, you want your public officials to be speaking truthfully about dependents that matter. two, is the question we don't really know the answer to this. how important is this information? the director of national intelligence last night said that they have not made a judgment on the validity of these allegations. they may find them to be completely untrue. but they felt it was important enough to brief the president-elect that they are out there. and not just in case they might be true at some point but that it fits into this larger picture of the dangers of what russia can do in terms of interfering from the outside in american political processes. and that's going to be the key question going forward. how much more do they find as they continue to investigate these allegations and other russian interference and then what does the country do and what does the president-elect in particular do since he has been speaking consistently about a friendlier relationship with russia despite the fact that you
have all this evidence of nefarious activity by russia here in the u.s. >> carl bernstein, you were part of the reporting. donald trump has been calling this fake news. james clapper called me yesterday to announce a false and fictitious report that was made up, phony facts, too bad. >> it's a very selective reading of what clapper wrote and what the facts are. >> that's not exactly what happened. >> it's very clear what's happened here. what donald trump and kellyanne conway have been saying is simply not truthful about the reporting of this event. and what occurred in their briefings in the president-elect's briefings. but there's a larger question that underlies this. this information has been considered seriously enough by the fbi, by the intelligence community that they believe it needs to be run down. and that's what we're going to see. it's raw intelligence files of a sort that could be rumor, that could be factual in some parts,
that could be right, wrong, but it needs to be run down. there's another component to this, and that is donald trump's lack of transparency and conflicts of interest particularly about his dealings in the part of the world where russia is through that part of the world not necessarily all in moscow but through eastern europe and russia. we had a big show yesterday of all these envelopes and all this. >> is there anything in those. >> i have no idea. but it is extraordinary to have a president of the united states coming into office without us having an understanding of what his basic holdings are around the world. he needs to divest himself. it's the only proper thing to do. look, he wants to be president of the united states. be president of the united states. and let go of your business. cash out. >> yeah. >> because otherwise, we are in for a terrible ride for the whole country.
this is an awful thing. >> the presidency is not a side job. >> but also, there's no way 0 separate this through his family in a clean way. >> david gergen, senator durbin says this warrants a investigation by a select committee in congress. where do you see this going from here? >> i do think it deserves a select committee to look into the hacking and probably into these additional issues that have arisen in these briefings that carl was just talking about. there's a lot of resist tons that obviously by senator mcconnell. he holds the upper hand till he agrees it's not going to happen. but there will be on going investigations. i think that rather than a honeymoon period, donald trump is going to be have a very stormy beginning to his presidency. what has struck me more than anything else i must tell you, don, is on eight days ago till the inauguration, this administration, he's had a lot to do and he's been working
vigorously. things aren't gelling yet. you don't have a sense that before these -- before these congressional hearings start that people sit down together and talk through what the positions of tillerson and others are going to be. but i was even more surprised. >> tillerson said he didn't even talk about russia. >> yeah, they've never talked about russia. how can that be that an incoming secretary of state hasn't been afforded the opportunity to sit down with the president and the emerging national security team and talk these things through. >> they've got a lot of work to do. we don't have a sub cabinet here in place. we're going to have some cabinet officers but there's not going to be much of a government in place. eight days from now, and it's going to be unclear what their policies are unless they can let this thing now focus in and figure out what you're actually going to do day to day and stop the tweeting and get on with business. >> david, can i interject something here? and that is that we have donald
trump continuing as if we were still in the campaign to demonize instead of trying to make common cause. >> yes. >> with the political system in washington, with the press. he is going on to demonize and even stronger terms than he did in the campaign. those who oppose him and would like to make some kind of common national cause with him. it's extraordinary. i don't understand it. >> david, quickly because i want ari to respond to this, as well. did you want to respond. >> i think ari would agree with this, too. it's one thing to attack the press during the campaign. once you get to be president, you ought to make peace with the press as professionals. ronald reagan showed that. he could have come in amidst enormous controversies. he made peace quickly with the press. he respected them and what their business was and they in turn respected him. >> it's about the democrats, too. it's about hillary clinton, the
opposition. it is demonizing it hasn't stopped. >> could we end up seeing a showdown between capitol hill republicans and trump over this? they want to support the president. many are deeply concerned about russia and the president-elect's affinity seemingly for vladimir putin. >> i think in the age of donald trump, you're going to see a showdown everywhere. he was elected to change washington. he was not elected to make peace with washington. he's got a lot of the public on his side because that's what drives him. and a lot of the public, 75% think the nation is on the wrong track. they want to move in a different direction. let me go back to something else touched on substantively. and that's the briefing the president had from director comey and others. i was as press secretary on receiving end of a lot of briefings. i questioned the judgment of the intelligence community in this instance. why on earth did they think it rose to the level of a presidential briefing and a presidential elect briefing to put information paid for by political opponents of donald trump into an intelligence
briefing when they already knew that michael cohen was not the same michael cohen. and then all the rest was unsubstantiated? i don't understand why that rises to the highest level of a briefing in the first place. in the second place, the real damage done here here is if a president gets a briefing from the intelligence community and reads about it in the newspapers the next day or three days later, it is going to undermine the credit be the of the people who brief him if he thinks they're leaking. it wasn't the intelligence committee, was it the obama white house who leaked the fact they received this information and donald trump too? >> i think to your. >> no intelligence briefing to the president should ever be leaked. >> i have to get to a break. first part was answered earlier by leon panetta when he spoke with erin burnett earlier. he said that he believed that the information was important enough and that it was out there that the president must have been briefed on it. i don't know if they think that some of it is true but that the information was important enough. >> i question that judgment.
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word tonight that the justice department is launching review into the handling of the investigation of hillary clinton's prast e-mail server. back with me now mark tresston, david gergen, jim sciutto, ari fleischer and carl bernstein. i want to continue what we were talking about before. jim, you wanted to weigh in on what ari was saying why the information was in there and whether divac a leak and where it came from. >> why it's in there, we don't know exactly. right? the intelligence agencies. it's the largest intelligence apparatus in the world having access to a lot of the information we don't have access
to. that's one thing. we know that the director of national intelligence clapper in his statement last night says they have not substantiated but they also haven't dismissed the content of the allegations in that dossier. we know from our own reporting that the former mi6 operative who prepared it is a source that u.s. intelligence agencies has used before and found his information and his sources credible. again, there is conflicting information in there. we looked at it some things that don't stand up to the test. we also know that mike burrell, forming actor director of the cia told christiane amanpour of cnn he has seen the document. he has said some of the things in the document are true. >> hold it right there. >> it's clearly a judgment if i can just finish. that conclusion has not been made. >> i want to play this. it goes to what you're saying. this is leon panetta. >> i think the problem is that
the intelligence agencies would have felt that they would be at fault if they didn't bring that to the attention of tprincipals. this is what happens in intelligence briefings. if we have information that is unsubstantiated but very sensitive, it's important to bring it to the attention of the key people so that they know that this information is out there even though you make very clear that it is unsubstantiated and uncorp greated. it's still important information for them to have. >> jim, i didn't mean to cut you off. i thought it sort of backs up what you're saying. > i appreciate that. i'm glad you played that. one, they haven't made a final conclusion. they may determine it's all bs. skuts expression. but the point that the former director panetta makes and this is what i've been guided by very senior intelligence officials, is that at a minimum, they have to let the president-elect know this is out there. this is the kind of thing out
there just for awareness and i think the way that it was done, our reporting, it was not the four intelligence chiefs sort of like a panel shouting at the president-elect. it was a private conversation, one-on-one between the fbi director and donald trump. kind of a pull aside rite at the end of that meeting which they seemed to have decided was the most respectful way to deliver this information very quickly just so the president-elect was aware. >> and before i move onto the next subject because i want to talk about the e-mails. but carl, you wanted to make something clear when you were talking about the -- >> i want to get to the point we've seen so much of people ask about is what we're seeing like watergate and such things. this is nothing like watergate. this is not about criminal activity of a sitting president of the united states. what we're seeing though is a president-elect trying to make the conduct of the press the issue as nixon did in watergate rather than his own conduct as a
way of deflecting from -- it applies not just to the this subject but almost everything. he keeps trying to make the press the issue and that is a very dangerous road to go down. >> david chalian, other big news that came out today. tell us about the justice department's announcement that they will have an investigation into the fbi's handling of hillary clinton's e-mail. what do we know? >> it's just amazing that this issue continues to linger now. we know that an inspector general at doj at the department of justice, is now going to look into and explore what the fbi did related to the investigation. jim comey's actions and you saw that fbi director comey put out a statement sort of welcoming this development and saying he hopes that the conclusions would be made public. and we've actually seen some bipartisan support for it, as well. i don't know that if you worked on the clinton campaign that you think the timing is all that great for this, but nonetheless,
this is sort of a parting departure shot if you will from the obama justice department. remember, the oig will take a look exactly how comey behaved and what he did during that clinton e-mail investigation. >> and so robbie mook, clinton's former campaign manager spoke with wolf blitzer about all of this. he welcome the inspector general's probe. he's also asking this. >> what is not yet settled is what happened, what did the russians do? were there connections between the russians and the trump campaign or with mr. trump himself? does mr. trump have financial entanglements with the russians? and then what was going on at the fbi? why were there these leaks coming out constantly about secretary clinton. >> david gergen, are we going to get any of those answers? >> i think we may get answers to the last piece of it, but i
didn't understand that the comey investigation was going to be into the russian hacking or that sort of thing. i thought it was more limited to the clinton e-mails. i would think that the clinton campaign would welcome that because you know, their whole argument has been that the comey interventions cost them the election along with the hacking. i just want to make one other point briefly. and that is to respond to something ari said. my good friend aere said a bit ago. that is that the public really supports donald trump during what he's doing here in this transition. i don't think that's the case. we have one major national poll out this week quinnipiac that said only 37% approve of donald trump at the moment and his transition. most presidents enter the white house at about 60% approval. of what they've been doing during transitions. 37% is a very low number. >> uh-huh. ari, you want to respond? >> yeah, that's not what i said. just roll the tape. what i said was donald trump wasn't elected to make peace
with washington. he was elected to change washington and 75% of the country at the time of the election thought the united states was on the wrong track. that's why he's going in to make change. he's tre controversial. his favorable rating is the lowest of anybody who's gone into office in the last several decades. he's got a lot of work to do. that's what i said. don, let me make one other point about the ig report of the fbi. nobody has reported this. they're also looking at the role of a top aide to comey who ran for state office in virginia and received contributions from terry mcauliffe. that person was somebody who had oversight over this investigation. and so they're also looking at a hillary supporter as far as this investigation goes, too. i think that's important to point out. and on previous conversation, i should add, two people who i know and respect very much, leon pa threat ta, mike more rel, he worked with mike when he was at the ci a and i was at the white house. they supported this being included but they're also both hillary endorsers and vehemently
oppose donald trump. i don't think they mind at all if there's a little stink bomb left behind as trump comes into office and ba ram obama leaves. >> mark preston, many people are asking, what's behind all of this? how is donald trump going to react because he lashes out at every time something happens that his views are being questioned and he wonders that this is questioning the legitimacy of his win. that's really what's at the base here. >> yeah, don, this is one of the biggest concerns that i have about donald trump taking office now eight days from today. and that is, this thin skinned nature that he seems to have on just about every issue. if it's brought into question perhaps he won because of some interference by the russians and by no means do we know if that is true, at this point, that in fact, that's why he won, but if he does go into his first 100 days, his first 200 days of the presidency continuing to talk about this instead of trying to
work on trying to get obamacare repealed and replaced within 100 days while he's trying to continue to improve upon the economy and trying to deal with major threats overseas from syria and iran and iraq to north korea, i think that is terribly problematic and something carl has said which i think is chill. we always talked about how he has been critical of the media and attacks us. let us take the media out of the equation. us in the media are not necessarily beloved. we have a very low approval rate amongst people. the question is, if he's going to do it to us, will he do it to others. that is a big concern. >> just a final point. >> it's got to be the last word. if you can do it in ten seconds jim, i'll let you do it. >> ari's point, if it becomes an issue where are intelligence is always accused of being politicized because that information is not welcomed, that's a real problem for the intelligence community. a lot of these folks in senior positions served multiple administrations of both parties.
so if you accuse them of partisanship, you begin to call into question the very process of intelligence. >> all right. we would have more time but you can blame the speaker and jake for that. thank you very much. i appreciate it. they cut into our time. thank you, gentlemen. i appreciate it. just ahead, donald trump takes the oath of office next week becoming president of a deeply divided america. is there any hope we can close the gap? oscar mayer deli fresh mesquite turkey has no added nitrates, nitrites or artificial preservatives. now it's good for us all. like introverts. extroverts. (cheering) and even bert. man you gotta' try this sandwich. who's just overt. oscar mayer deli fresh. so good!
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only xfinity gives you more to stream to any screen. download the xfinity tv app today. our breaking news tonight, vice president joe biden confirming he and president barack obama were briefed last week by intelligence officials on unsubstantiated claims that russia may have compromising information on president-elect donald trump. i want to bring in hilary rosen and selena zito from the "new york post." thank you both for joining us. >> hey. >> we've been hearing trump and his campaign continue to misrepresent the facts conflating our reporting with others what others have done, contradicting what the director what dean clapper said and vice president joe biden have both said. what do you make of this. >> i guess i make that donald
trump really doesn't want to the american people to focus on there anymore and he thinks that by denying it and distracting it, be it will make it go away. i think the problem is that people in the media and obviously others are just are dying for donald trump to tell the truth on this. and he's just not going to. i think in many respects, people are going to have to figure out how to move on because this guy is just not going to give a satisfactory answer. he will not hold putin accountable. he will not show public faith in the intelligence agencies. perhaps once he's president and has more on going experience with them, he will. but i think at this stage, he's digging in. and whether or not the american people care is a big question. i think his approval ratings are showing maybe they care a little more than he thinks they do.
>> selena, you are literally versus seriously the lady. you sort of coined that. you built that. what the incoming president show celinena, president-elect and his spokespeople say about the intelligence community and the connections to russia seem to me like an area where we should take their words both literally and seriously. do you agree and give me your thoughts how they are handling this? >>. >> yeah, i definitely agree. i think the russian issue is a problem. you know, they have nefarious intent in all aspects of their interaction right now with the united states. i think that, i think that the president should be more reflective. the president-elect should be more reflective and more forthright with sort of what is going on and be less combative
with the intelligence community. i think what he is thinking and i think what his team is thinking is that they feel assaulted from all ends. so they're just shoving back and pushing back, and i do believe that they think that that's what their voters want that they just want him to push back. it's unknown right now the if it is an effective move or not. i think we need to more time and space to understand if this is a smart move on his part or not. >> that's what his voters want. what about the majority of americans, the rest of americans? what about they want. >> i mean, i think, what all americans want and should be important and i think that he should -- i think he needs to address this in a succinct and blunt way and move on. part of what is keeping had sort of dragging out is this nondirect answer about the russian hacking. >> hillary, do you think it would be different if his own
cia director, cia director or his own intelligence people that he brought in, if they brought in the same information? would he then say oh, yes, or would he not even admit that it's there? >> well, we really don't know what his advisors are actually saying. we just know what he's saying. and they have been i would say kind of uniquely quiet here. so perhaps they have seen the intelligence reports and agree with them and but don't want to you know, counteract what he's saying or perhaps they're just, they do agree with him. but i think you know, for us to continue to sort of bat at this is going, is frustrating americans. i think you have a day when the congress is repealing obamacare in the senate without you know, helping potentially 130 million americans that are living with pre-existing conditions. you have the still the threat of
immigration reform hanging over people's heads. i mean, there are some serious issues that americans are fearful about, are wondering about and yet, you have a president-elect who is just kind of digging his heels in to something that's just factually not true and attacking everybody who suggests it. i think it's time for him to move on. and try and heel this country a little bit. we saw barack obama who people now say is ady visive president. when he was inaugurated his approval ratings were close to 60% of the country. people want to support their president. i actually think people would want to support donald trump as president but his behavior is pushing people away. >> yeah. thank you very much. i appreciate bowing of you. when we come right back, the man who predpikted donald trump's trump but wasn't exactly happy about it. michael moore on the bombshell report on trump and russia and the trump team's charges of fake news. michael moore live next. (avo) did you know two areas
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an investigation announced today into the fbi's october surprise of hillary clinton's e-mails. the moment the clinton camp says may have cost her the white house. let's discuss now. academy award-winning director mr. michael moore is here. thank you so much for joining us. don't get anywhere he near me because you know -- >> i've watched you the last three nights. nand i actually started feeling sick just watching you on tv. >> these are crazy times. i have to be here sick or -- >> you're going to show up and infect the rest of cnn. >> no. but i'm like the mailman. rain, sleet, snow -- >> seriously, it's commendable. and by the way, my agent actually promised me tonight, he negotiated with jeff zucker, that there would be a little clock. where is it? right over here. right down here. >> we've got a lot to talk about. >> there's going to be a clock that tl that says two hours and 22 minutes until interview with michael moore. >> we did that. and you're on now. >> oh, that's why that clock's on. >> now we put the first lady up there. so let's talk about this because we touched on a little bit of
this before the election. you predicted i think it was on this show he that he was going to win and you told me now. and then this whole fake news thing which you're on social media and you see that. did you see the press conference yesterday? >> i did. >> let's play a moment and then we'll talk about it. >> i watched it twice. >> since you are attacking our news organization -- >> not you. your organization's terrible. >> you're attacking our news organization. can you give us a chance to ask a question, sir? >> go ahead. >> sir, can you -- >> quiet. >> mr. president-elect, can you state categorically -- mr. president-elect -- >> don't be rude. >> you're aattacking us. can you give us a question? >> don't be rude. i'm not going to give you a question. >> can you state categorically -- >> you are fake news. go ahead. >> can you state categorically that nobody -- mr. president-elect, that's not appropriate. >> what did you think? >> that's the third time i've seen it. it's amazing that the sort of inventor of this decade's main fake news story, that our president was not born in the united states, could be pointing at a cnn reporter accusing him of fake news.
i mean, really. he talks like a 12-year-old. and i guess if jim acosta was also a 12-year-old he could have said back takes one to know one. i know you are but what am i. >> the big concern about the delegitimacy of his fake president. if jim said you're a fake president. once you start name calling then all bets are off. i'm glad jim took the high road but he could have easily said something like that. >> an even higher road would have been for the next reporter -- >> that's what i said. >> did you say that on the air? >> the next reporter should have said i yield my time to jim acosta. or just restate jim acosta's question. >> all journalists at this point must realize they are all in the same boat. and that this is a president that is going to attack the truth tellers. and so everyone has to have everybody else's back. and i was just noticing on msnbc, you know, coming to the defense of cnn.
and it was nice to see that this is not a competitive thing. >> fox as well. >> i'm sure they have. >> and the "wall street journal." right. >> that's the way it should be. because the only way we're going to deal with a president who -- what's the politifact number? 84% of his statements are either half true or not true at all. i mean, it's just some outrageous number. that's why we need you. that's why you have to do your job. the average person, people watching this at home right now, don't have obviously the means -- i mean, they have social media, which is great. but if the journalists don't do their job, then this is what we're going to be stuck with. that press conference was so out there, the whole -- the whole of it. not just the part about cnn. but just saying off the cuff, yeah, i was offered $2 billion this week. >> $2 billion deal in dubai or whatever it was. >> yeah. i mean, it would be -- if you said that, if you began the show tonight with by the way, folks, i --
>> i got a big offer from -- >> of $2 billion. >> from fox news or ms -- but i didn't take it because i love cnn. >> i could do the presidency and the trump organization. there's nothing illegal about it. i could do both. you know, but i'm just going to do the presidency. and he goes trump organization, by the way, great organization. it's like, what is -- it's the weirdest combination of a narcissistic 5-year-old, kiss kind of redundant because most 5-year-olds are all about themselves. >> but -- >> and buddy hackett. >> what's interesting, i think, is that he says most people don't care about his tax returns, most people don't care about his business conflicts, but the actual polls do show that people do care. if you look at voters, registered voters, i think it's upwards of 70-some percent care about tax returns. they care about conflicts of interest. it's just sort of the zealots that are really far -- and i don't even want to say they're right because it's not necessarily left versus right when it comes to donald trump. it's just sort of trump zealots. >> correct.
even richard nixon famously said the american people have a right to know if their president is a crook. and i am not a crook. people do care about these things. the more he says they don't, the more he believes what he's saying, the more he's setting himself up. how long is this presidency going to last? has vegas started running a line on this before his either retirement or resignation or impeachme impeachment? i mean, really, how much longer can he go on? >> i don't know. i think that he can probably last as long as he wants to last if he does a good job. i think the american people -- >> let me say something good about the republicans, then. they won't allow that. there's going to be a line. you have a malignant narcissist in public office. not just him. we've seen them in albany. we've seen them around the country. whenever you have a narcissist that's got power, they break the law. and he will break the law and he'll break it more than once and at some point the republicans in congress will say i've had it. >> carl bernstein compared not the necessarily breaking of the
law because there's no break of the laws now. this is just questions about possibility of conflicts of interest and so on. and his treatment of the media. he said it's very similar to a nixon treated the media. he made it about the media rather than his own conduct. but there's one thing -- i've got to take a break but i want to talk to you about hillary clinton. now there's going to be an investigation into comey's handling of that, the fbi's handling of hillary clinton's e-mails before the election. i'll talk to you about that on the other side of this break. >> okay, great. ♪
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this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome back. breaking news. multiple u.s. officials telling cnn fbi director james comey and president-elect donald trump had a one-on-one conversation at last week's briefing he. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. during that conversation comey briefed trump on the two-page synopsis of unsubstantiated claims that russia may have compromising information on him. and in the midst of this tumultuous transition a review announced today of the handling of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. and meanwhile, president barack obama leaves his vice president speechless. well, not for long. a surprise presidential medal of freedom for joe biden in the