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hello, everyone, i'm john berman. kate is off this morning. breaking news this hour, any moment now the justice department will announce the findings of a 13-month civil rights investigation into the chicago police department. you're looking at live pictures from chicago right now. this investigation was launched after the shooting death of laquan mcdonald, and a video of that shooting released. attorney general loretta lynch will be there as will chicago mayor rahm emanuel and the superintendent of the chicago police department. again, the results of this investigation released any moment now. we'll bring you the details as soon as we get them. in the meantime, this is the final full friday before president-elect donald trump becomes president donald trump. there is a flurry of activity on capitol hill, not to mention new developments about what russia did during the u.s. election. moments ago, house lawmakers met with top intelligence officials in a closed door briefing on russia. this after vice president joe biden confirmed cnn's reporting
that the intelligence community briefed him and president obama on the unsubstantiated claims that russia may have compromising information on president-elect donald trump, which is exactly what cnn reported all along. listen to this. >> their argument was that this is something that the press already had, not just here in the united states but other places, that it would be -- they would be -- they couldn't use the word "derelict," but it was their obligation to inform not only us but the president-elect that this was out there. >> so he was briefed, the president was briefed, the president-elect was briefed. and cnn has new information on how donald trump was presented with this same intelligence. let's start with cnn justice correspondent pamela brown live in washington. pamela, what have we learned? >> reporter: we've learned, john, that after this classified briefing to the president-elect last friday, that fbi director james comey briefed the
president-elect on this two-page synopsis of that 35-page memo with those unsubstantiated allegations. we're told through our sources that this was a cordial conversation and that the intelligence chiefs felt it would be best if director comey was the one to brief the president-elect and make him aware of these allegations that had been circulating among members of the media, as vice president joe biden said, as well as lawmakers. you heard joe biden reaffirm essentially what cnn had been reporting, that the president was also briefed on these allegations and was presented this two-page synopsis, and as his office confirmed, apparently the president's reaction to this was, what does this have to do with anything? the intelligence officials explained to the president that it was important for him to be briefed because the plan was to brief the president-elect as well, that these allegations had been circulating. >> pamela, hang on, we're going to go to chicago and listen to
attorney general loretta lynch and talk about the justice department investigation into the chicago police department. >> they're the indispensable members of the team that led to this announcement today. one of my highest priorities as attorney general has been to ensure that every american enjoys police protection that is lawful, that is responsive, and transparent. but as the events of reasons years in ferguson, in baltimore, cleveland, and many other cities have made clear, far too many americans feel they do not receive that kind of law enforcement. and far too many communities suffer because of painful divisions between police officers and citizens. divisions that make it significantly harder to reduce crime, to expand opportunity, and to ensure that every american, including our police officers, can be safe and secure in their neighborhoods. now, in december of 2015, as part of that work, i announced that the department of justice, after careful review and extensive consultation with state and local officials and
community leaders, was opening an investigation into whether the chicago police department had engaged in a pattern or practice of violations of the constitution or federal statutory law. and for the past 13 months, our investigators have worked tirelessly to obtain a full and an accurate and an impartial picture of policing in chicago. they have conducted hundreds of interviews with citizens, with officials, with officers. they have reviewed thousands of pages of documents. they have observed chicago police department officers on the job. and on the basis of this exhaustive review, the department of justice has concluded that there is reasonable cause to believe that the chicago police department engages in a pattern or practice of use of excessive force in violation of the fourth amendment to the constitution. our investigation found that this pattern of practice is in no small part the result of severely deficient training procedures and accountability
systems. now, as my colleagues will explain in greater detail, cpt does not give its officers the training they need to do their jobs safely, effectively, and lawfully. it fails to properly collect and analyze data, including data on misconduct complaints and training deficiencies. and it does not accurately review use of force incidents to determine whether force was appropriate or lawful or whether the use of force could have been avoided altogether. all these issues are impounded by low oversight, leading to low officer morale and erosion of officer accountability. these are serious problems and they bear serious consequences for all chicagoanc anchicagoans. these policies that fail ordinary citizens also fail chicago police officers who risk
their lives every day to serve and protect the people of chicago. during the course of our investigation, the department heard from countless officers who were themselves disillusioned and discouraged by strained trust, by inadequate training, poor oversight, and inattention to officer wellness and safety. those officers are proud to wear the badge but they recognize that they lack the support, both from the community and from the city, to properly do their jobs. and they understand that primari repairing trust from the immunities they serve will require reforms. to chicago's credit, the city has not been standing still since we announced our investigation at the end of 2015. under the leadership of mayor emanuel and superintendent johnson, the chicago police department has taken a number of encouraging steps to improve oversight and to encourage community oriented policing. but our report makes clear that there is still considerable work
to be done, work that will require federal partnership and independent oversight. that is why i am pleased to announce today that the department of justice and the city of chicago have agreed to begin negotiations on an independently-monitored, court-enforceable consent decree. in the days ahead, we will continue speaking to local residents, local authorities, to officers, to ordinary citizens, to gather their perspectives about the challenges facing this city and the changes needed to address them. now, of course this announcement comes at a critical juncture for this proud city. chicago is grappling with a deeply troubling rise in violent crime, one that has already claimed far too many lives. now, fighting violent crime has long been a priority for the justice department as well. and we at the justice department have brought our fool resources to bear on this issue, from the fbi, atf, u.s. marshals service, and the dea, who participated in
joint task forces to combat violence, to the department's violence reduction network. our efforts to work closely with local authorities to fight violence in a number of ways began long before we opened this investigation, and the will continue during and after this investigation. and no one understands that better than zack harden. under his outstanding leadership, the u.s. attorney's office for the northern district of illinois has worked literally around the clock to tackle gun violence, gang cases, and other serious crimes afflicting this great city. at the same time that zack's office actively partnered with our civil rights division on this pattern and practice investigation, the prosecutors in his office in 2016 charged the highest number of illegal firearm cases in any year since 2004. so the u.s. attorney's office here and federal investigative agencies have truly ramped up their efforts to help stem the
recent rise in violence. but as i have seen firsthand from my community policing tour, that work is undermined if the community does not trust law enforcement. and that's why in addition to increasing intelligence efforts and enhancing crime fighting operations, we're also working with the city on a range of other critical initiatives, from youth outreach to counseling for the victims of crime. these efforts will continue. and they will only be strengthened by the reforms that we are announcing today. because successfully reducing and preventing violent crime requires a collaborative and trusting relationship between officers and residents. and where that relationship is broken, as it is in far too many of chicago's neighborhoods, it's much harder to solve crimes and reduce violence. by making the changes necessary to bring constitutional community oriented policing to chicago, the city and the police
department will place itself in a much stronger position to combat the scourge of violence. and finally, i want to commend the people of chicago for their patience and for their resilience throughout this long process. community/police relations is an especially difficult issue. it taps into long histories, deep beliefs and strong opinions, and there's no lack of strong opinions here in chicago. but it also forces us to honestly acknowledge the ways in which our society has fallen short in extending the protection of our laws to all americans. it does not yield to swift or simple solutions. but meaningful change is never easy. the task of realizing the promise of our country has always been hard. and here in chicago, thanks to the determination and the commitment of countless public officials, police officers, advocates, and citizens, we've taken the first step towards meaningful change and a brighter
future. the people of this city have recognized that there is work to be done. and they've committed themselves to seeing that work through to the end. and the department of justice will stand beside you along the way. i'm confident that when we are finished, which this review is finished and the changes are set in place, chicago will be a stronger, a safer, and a more united city for everyone who calls it home. at this time i'll turn things over to benita gupta, head of the civil rights division, to say more about our findings. thank you. >> good morning and thank you, attorney general lynch, and thank you to u.s. attorney zack harden. i'm deeply grateful to the extraordinary work of the doj team and the u.s. attorney's office here in chicago that has worked tirelessly over the past 13 months. i also want to thank maybe emanuel and superintendent johnson for their cooperation
during this investigation and for their commitment to reform. i want to thank the people of chicago, including the city's police officers, for engaging with the justice department over the last many months, because you care about your city so much. since we launched this investigation in december of 2015, the justice department has deployed our largest team ever in a policing pattern or practice case, to conduct a thorough and fair investigation of the chicago police department and independent police review authorities. we reviewed thousands of documents and hundreds of force reports. we met with community members, city officials, and each of the police unions. we visited each of chicago's 22 police districts, went on 60 ride-alongs, spoke to 340 members of the cpd from command staff to line officers. we also met with over 90 community organizations and heard from more than a thousand chicagoans. current and former law enforcement officials assisted with this investigation. as the attorney general said, we
found that the chicago police department engages in a pattern or practice of using excessive force including deadly force and nondeadly force. this pattern includes, for example, shooting at people who present no immediate threat and tasing people for not following verbal commands. this conduct doesn't only harm residents. it endangers officers. it results in an avoidable deaths, injuries, and trauma. it erodes community trust, trust that is the cornerstone of public safety. we found this pattern of unconstitutional force is largely attributable to systemic deficiencies within the cpd and city. we found that cpd does not adequately train its officers to use the appropriate amount of force. for example, we observed training on deadly force that used video made decades ago with guidelines inconsistent with law and personally policy. we found cpd officers do not fully report their uses of force and that supervises are not appropriately reviewing these uses of force. we found that chicago's
accountable systems are broken. many complaints that should be investigated are not. and when investigations do occur, they are glacially slow and staffed by overworked and undertrained investigators who often fail to obtain basic witness statements and evidence. officers are too rarely held accountable for misconduct and when they are, discipline is unpredictable and ineffective. we found that cpd's approach to data collection on use of force prevents them from spotting dangerous trends, responding with remedial training, and sharing information that would be useful to the public. we found that cpd's promotion systems are not transparent and we found that cpd fails to provide officers with the support they need to deal with the stress and trauma of their jobs. we make these findings acutely aware that this is a time of significant challenge for chicago residents and police officers. gun violence has spiked. relations between police officers and residents is strained. and officer morale is suffering. but really, this context only
heightens the importance and urgency of our findings. the failures that we identify and that we heard about from residents and officers alike have deeply eroded community trust, particularly in african-american and latino communities suffering the most from gun violence on chicago's south and west sides. these neighborhoods are the hardest hit by cpd's pattern of unlawful force and breakdowns in the city's accountability systems. these breakdowns breed distrust and undermine policing in the very communities that need proactive policing the most. a reluctance to share information makes it harder for officers to fight crime. chicago's leaders, especially the mayor and superintendent, of course are aware of many of these problems and to their credit have been working to address them, such as revamping the guidelines, bringing new
escalation training, rolling out body cameras, and adopting -- >> you've been watching a news conference from chicago where u.s. attorney general loretta lynch announced the results of a 1-month investigation into the chicago police department. they found that the chicago police department had a pattern of excessive force, exhibited a pattern of excessive force, and, importantly, the chicago police department has agreed the city of chicago will enter a consent decree with the justice department going forward. the minority community in chicago has been disproportionately hit by this use of excessive force. this stemmed from the video released over a year ago by laquan mcdonald being shot and killed by a police officer. paul, this was an interesting news conference right there. this was a 13-month civil rights investigation. they did find a pattern of excessive force. they did announce a consent
decr decree. explain to me what this all means. >> the justice department has conducted a number of these evaluations of cities across the united states. they did it in newark, new jersey, for instance, where there were repeated complaints of excessive force by police departments. and what they do is they come in and they give recommendations as to how to improve policing, and maybe there will be increased funding that will be found for the which i police, hopefully, as a result of this. i have to say, john, i find it to be very, very unusual to hear this in chicago at this time, because chicago has one of the most brutal homicide rates in america. over 750 killings i think this year so far. last year i think there were 3500 shootings in the mostly minority neighborhoods of chicago. so a lot of people are saying that, you know, policing is not aggressive enough in chicago. and i think that there will be many who will look at this
report and say this is going to force the police to back off even more from aggressively policing the dangerous neighborhoods out of fear they'll face federal sanctions of some kind if they're aggressive in policing. >> let me tell you what was said about this, because loretta lynch addressed that. she said the excessive force stemmed from deficient training and poor supervision. she did note the rise of violent crime in chicago in an alarming way. she says the pattern of excessive force has eroded trust in minority communities and has prevented people from coming forward with information that may help in investigations, may prevent more murders. so what they seem to be trying to do, paul, was say that maybe all these things are tied up into one little package. >> yes. and, you know, i think all of those points are quite legitimate. having been a homicide prosecutor myself, i know that
cooperation from the community in making cases against the bad guys is critical. and if you don't have the trust of the police and law enforcement officials, you cannot solve crime problems. but of course, on the other hand, you need a cooperative police force that's willing to go out and put their lives on the line to fight the bad guys. so it's a really delicate balance, not to scare the police out of aggressive policing, but on the other hand, to make sure that they honor and respect the legitimate law-abiding citizens in these neighborhoods. and hopefully the department of justice will find a way to achieve these two competing goals. >> it is a difficult challenge to say the least. paul callan, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you, john. in just a moment we'll have much more on what we have learned what is told to donald trump about the claims of russian interference and perhaps having incriminating information on him. plus disagree with donald trump on torture, on other issues?
maybe you can qualify for his cabinet. the president-elect says he wants his cabinet nominees to be themselves, after new disagreements emerge just one week before he takes office. plus we have breaking news, more breaking news, president-elect trump's transition team confirms that the president-elect's national security adviser, general michael flynn, recently exchanged text messages and phone calls with the russian ambassador. what were they discussing? why? details ahead. i'm one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. don't let unanswered legal questions hold you up, because we're here, we're here, and we've got your back. legalzoom. legal help is here.
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general flynn was speaking with the russian ambassador to discuss sanctions with president obama. sean spicer says no, this was a planning meeting to talk about christmas and talk about future meetings. so there's that. i want to talk much more about this russia issue and what's happening in the trump team. i want to bring in our panel, cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash, highliy przybyla, brian stelter, and cnn political analyst john avlon, also the editor in chief of the daily beast and the author of this new book, "washington's farewell: the founding father's warning to future generations," i carry my copy with me always. what we've learned in the last 24 hours involving this summary that was given to donald trump with these claims that russian intelligence had been collecting information on donald trump, perhaps incriminating information. now we have vice president joe biden, not an anonymous source,
we have the director of national intelligence, james clapper, not an anonymous source, confirming that this information was passed on. we also now have this cnn reporting that the fbi director himself, james comey, briefed donald trump on this. this is exactly and precisely what cnn has reported all along. >> hashtag not fake news. this is -- look. i'm going to veer into brian stelter's land for one second because i feel really strongly about this, sorry, bri. here is the deal. the fact that joe biden said this on the record, the fact that, as you said, james clapper in his statement following his conversation with donald trump to try to cool the temperature a little bit between the two, said on the record that this happened, backs up the only thing that cnn reported, which was that basically a process story, that the intelligence community gave this information
to the president-elect, and by the way, the current president and vice president joe biden, did so just as an fyi, and that cnn did not publish anything of the details of it because it was not verified, as james comey told the president-elect, not verified but this is out there. the reason i'll veer into brian stelter's lane is, i don't expect it, but it would be really nice for our friend sean spicer or for the transition or even the president-elect to acknowledge that this was accurate and that cnn and other credible news organizations are not out there doing fake news. it's not what we do. and as we turn the page to a new administration, all of our institutions need to be refined and frankly respected and retain credibility, especially places like cnn and others who are
doing their job that is laid out by john avlon, talking about the founding fathers, by the founding fathers. a basic democracy needs a free and fair and, yes, adversarial press. that is what we do. okay, i'm off my soapbox. you can have it back. >> you can fill in for me on sunday mornings. we're describing this process of journalism which often starts with anonymous sources, that's what cnn was doing several days ago, having to rely on anonymous sources to get this information out there. then sources on the record have been confirming it, not just here on cnn. other news outlets as well. i think that is an important point for our viewers to see. and especially as we have this news story just this hour, david ignatius in "the washington post" was using anonymous sources on this issue of michael flynn speaking with the russian ambassador, now on the record sean spicer confirming at least part of it. this is the process of journalism, not always pretty, but anonymous sources sometimes are necessary, and we get the on
the record sources later. >> also, facts are facts, period. >> exactly. >> full stop. john avlon, donald trump has written about this today. he says, totally made up facts by sleaze bag political operatives, both democrats and republicans, fake news. russia says nothing exists probably released by intelligence in quotation marks even knowing there is no proof and never will be. my people will have a full report on hacking within 90 days. what do we think that means? my people will have a full report within 90 days. does this mean he's going to present his own facts on this? >> i hope it means that once he takes the office of president, the people on his team will release a detailed report on russian hacking. what i'm concerned it might mean is that trump partisans acting outside the government will be issuing a counterreport. look, there is the tradition that the office changes the man more than the man changes the office. there is no sign that donald trump is going to stop being donald trump. at some point those two things
are going to go into contradiction. but hopefully the responsibilities of being president will lead him to at least deal with the same set of facts as the rest of us, even if he's tweeting from the oval office. but what is happening, what he and his team have done, constantly beating the drumbeat about fake news, is essentially designed to muddy the waters and increase legitimacy of partisan outfits that are very favorably skewed towards him and degrade the idea of objective, fair truth. >> you bring up one point here. we just read that tweet, where he put intelligence in quotation marks, he said probably released by intelligence. i want to put up the tweet he wrote about meryl streep, he said meryl streep, one of the most overrated actresses in hollywood, doesn't know me but attacked last night at the golden globes. how much of an issue will it be going forward, there doesn't appear to be much of a distinction between the way he battles against someone like meryl streep, even though she could probably anyone in the
intelligence community on screen, and how he refers to, again, members of the intelligence community whose job it is to keep this nation safe. >> going back to dana's point about institutions, there's certainly a big difference between a celebrity taking the podium and criticizing you, and very respected intelligence reports coming out with information that maybe you don't like. and yes, it is probably problematic that you would deal with that type of unpleasant information, as you see it, in the same way. but i'm going to take this also and look at the political dimension here of what is happening with this new information coming in, which is that we have yet another example of russian -- potential russian particula antics in dealing with our political system. we had the hacking, the broad fake news, and now we have information that they're trying to gather information on our elected leaders. why is it not in donald trump's interest, above everyone else in this nation, to try and get to the bottom of this, because he's
beginning his presidency definitely under a cloud of questions about all of this. and i think if anything, what will happen as a result of this new information is that democrats are just going to start to pound the drum harder for this more independent investigation into what happened here. so far the republicans have resisted that. but what we've seen is that the various committees that would be responsible are headed by republicans. it's not necessarily going to be seen as a bipartisan venture. and at the end of all of this, if nothing is there, it's in no one's interest more than donald trump's to get to the bottom of it and to clear the air so we as a country can go on and we can govern effectively in a way that unites americans. >> all right, thanks, guys. there haven't been committees taking this up in a more extended way, although john mccain and others have been investigating it. guys, thanks so much. donald trump on torture,
trade, russia, and the southern border. he's talked about where he is on these issues during the campaign. his cabinet nominees have a different idea altogether. so is that a problem? or is that a strength for the incoming administration? plus a powerful republican lawmaker going after the independent ethics watchdog who called president-elect trump's new business plan meaningless. jason chaffetz threatening the ethics official, wanting him to come in and talk to him. we'll have details ahead. once upon a time a girl with golden locks broke into a house owned by three bears. she ate some porridge, broke the baby bear's chair, and stole some jewelry, a flat-screen tv, and a laptop. luckily the geico insurance agency
york times" this morning, "latest to disagree with trump: his nominees. ." nominee after nominee has staked out different positions than the president-elect. trump tweeted, "i want them to express their thoughts, not mine." cabinet picks have split or, at a minimum, diverged from trump on crucial issues including russia, trade, torture and immigration. >> a physical barrier in and of itself will not do the job. it has to be really a layered defense. >> we're going to build a wall. >> my view of putin is that he has chosen to be both a strategic competitor, to quote the chairman's opening statement, and an adversary in key areas. >> if he says great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. i've already said he is very much of a leader. >> if you were ordered by the
president to restart the cia's use of enhanced interrogation techniques that fall outside of the army field manual, would you comply? >> senator, absolutely not. >> what do you think of waterboarding? i said, it's fine, and if you want to go stronger, i would go stronger too. >> i want to bring in former communications director for marco rubio's presidential campaign, now partner at firehouse strategies, and a former clinton administration official, matt bennett with us as well. matt, trump supporters say this is just a team of rivals situation. donald trump himself said you want to bring in people with divergent views, who have different opinions, bring them to the table, hash it out to come out with a better solution. is that what's going on here? >> i don't know. for democrats like me, this is really difficult. on the one hand we agree with the views just expressed in that package, the people that he nominated are right about things like torture and the border wall
and russia. and the president-elect is very wrong. but the problem is, you can't govern as president with some kind of chaos theory of government. you've got to have some sort of direction and you have to have some degree of predictability. this isn't like a set of real estate negotiations where you're trying to keep everybody offbalance. you have to have some degree of order. and there does not appear, at least initially, that there's going to be any order coming out of the trump white house or the trump administration. so it's both heartening on the one hand and also troubling. >> alex, i laid out the team of rivals argument, and you heard matt explain why it's heartening. there is in or about argument which is, it's odd, right? where were these people, were they listening during the 16 months of the campaign where donald trump was on the issues? and then you had in these hearings rex tillerson, up for secretary of state, he was being questioned by bob menendez, senator menendez on the issue of russia. and this is what he told the senator. listen.
>> the president-elect and i have not had the opportunity to discuss this specific issue or the specific area. >> i would have thought that russia would be at the very top of that, considering all the actions that have taken place. that did not happen? >> that has not occurred yet, senator. >> that's pretty amazing. >> is the senator right, alex, is it pretty amazing? >> it was surprising that they haven't talked about what is obviously going to be one of the biggest, most immediate challenges that the new president and new secretary of state are going to have to face after january 20th. >> is it believable? >> i believe him, he was under oath, of course it's believable. that said, donald trump likes to set up competing power structures in his organizations and it works for him, it's successful. we shouldn't be surprised that's how he's setting up his cabinet. we want a diversity of thought inside a cabinet. i think it's healthy that people disagree with him on issues like china, on russia, on torture, on
trade. >> on the issues he ran on. >> but once the president makes a decision, you want people who will be implementing them. he obviously trusts these people to implement his policies otherwise he wouldn't have nominated them. >> i want to show you the gallup poll on the trump transition right now. 44% approve, 51% disapprove. alex, first to you, what does donald trump have to do to turn this around? >> turn around his approval numbers? >> yes. a low number for a guy coming into office. >> it is a low number but it's a very divided country. he needs to do what he said he was going to do on election night, reach out and try and be a president for all americans. >> matt? >> he has to start acting like a president and not a spoiled brat. he's still complaining about his poll numbers and hillary. he has to be dignified. accusations of strong arm tactics after a republican lawmaker calls in the head of the ethics watchdog who has
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conflicts of interest. minute that was too strident for congressman jason chaffetz. our guest is a fellow at the brookings institution where schaub spoke a couple of days ago. ambassador, when i saw the headline flash by that jason chaffetz had summoned mr. schaub to come up and talk about donald trump's business plans, i actually thought, i assumed it was to ask him what he thought of the plans from the president-elect. but that doesn't seem to be the case. the question is, has he been too tough or acted inappropriately towards the president-elect? your take. >> john, thanks for having me. i do not think that walter schaub has done anything out of the ordinary here in terms of his views. there is a broad bipartisan consensus, republicans and democrats alike, that the trump plan is inadequate to solve his conflicts. schaub was just the latest to join that consensus.
and what the republican chairman of the house oversight committee, mr. chaffetz, is doing is wrong. he wants to have a secret star chamber style tribunal to hear privately from schaub. the democrats are saying, why can't we have a public hearing, which would be the normal way to do these things. we're not in the middle ages here where we haul people in that way. and he's prejudged. he hasn't heard what schaub's reasoning is. and mr. chaffetz is blessing the trump plan. john, it's not just me saying this, but the republican bush ethics czar, mr. painter, a distinguished american scholar, says the same thing. it's outrageous. >> i should say, elijah cummings, the democrat who sits on the house oversight committee, contacted me over the break to say he is calling for this hearing to be
is the president-elect's plan to separate his business the type of thing you would like to see as the subject of a hearing from the oversight committee. >> of course. the oversight committee should have a hearing about the war on ethics. first, the house republicans made a sneak attack over the weekend. a holiday weekend. no notice to destroy their own ethics watchdog. the office of congressional ethics. that was beat back by a furious public outcry. led by donald trump. >> i heard the switch boards were flooded, john. then in the senate they tried to run through four nominees with notice ethics vetting. well, that won't fly. again, public outcry. hearings postponed. then mr. trump announces his patently inadequate ethics plan. it does nothing to resolve
conflicts, including constitutional limitations on his behavior. now there's this attack -- >> has the director been as public as the director has been the past couple of weeks. >> well, you know, yes is the answer. the office of government ethics has been very public. the problem is that the ethics consensus that has stood for decades, john, is being attacked now, says so there were many occasions when oge has pronounced on ethics every president for four decades has put their investments into a blind trust or the equivalent. republican or democrat. with far less conflicts than donald trump and no constitutional clash. what he is doing with these foreign government payments and other benefits that are coming in is directly contrary to the u.s. constitution.
with less reason, everybody else has done a blind trust or the equivalent. why not donald trump? but apparently that's not good enough for the chairman of this committee. >> ambassador, i think we know where you stand on this issue. thank you for weighing in. >> thank you, john. >> they spent eight of their most formative years in the white house. sasha and maliyah obama will return to life on the outside. now a couple of former first daughters, jenna and barbara bush, are giving their advice. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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this is a pretty exclusive club. the twin daughters of george w. bush, they paid a visit to the white house to help maliyah and sasha obama adjust to their new life in the spotlight. now, eight years later the bush twins wrote an open letter to the obama daughters imparting their wisdom on life after the white house. listen. >> you stood by as your precious parents were reduced to headlines. your parents who put you first and not only showed you but gave you the roles. >> as always, they will be rooting for you as you begin
this next chapter. >> and so will we. s. >> kate, it is a thing being a former first child. if you live in the white house and then move out of the white house, that's got to present some unique challenges. >> it is an exclusive club, just like first ladies are in a club. i think that these children have a lot of empathy for each other. seeing that letter. i interviewed former children of presidents who talked about what it was like when they saw chelsea clinton, for instance, the only child in the white house and feeling bad for her because of how difficult it is and, in fact, one -- president ford's son, steve, said he wrote a letter to chelsea saying make friends with your secret service agents because you'll be seeing them more than anyone else. they get what it's like, and i was struck by how light-hearted
that letter was too. jenna and barbara bush talked about, you know, sliding down the bannisters at the white house and how it allowed them to relive some of their childhood showing sasha and malia in the white house and looking at it through their eyes as young girls, and that was very sweet. >> there was also some self-deprecating humor when they talked about their own time in college. i think we have that soundbyte. let's play that. >> enjoy college. >> as most of the world knows, we did. and you won't have the weight of the world on your young shoulders anymore. explore your passions. learn who you are. make mistakes. you are allowed to. >> all right. their college years aside, they also noted in the letter in a really, really touching way how close they were -- how close they still felt to everyone who worked in the white house. i thought that was really nice. >> i really liked that too. i mean, when i interviewed resident staffers at the white house, they talked about how --
they specifically mentioned -- the bush daughters mentioned nancy clark, the head florist at the white house, and how for their grandfather's inauguration they were very young girls, and they got cold, and nancy clark, the white house florist, brought them in and made a bouquet of flowers with them in the flower shop of the white house in the basement. it was really fun for them. it was a great memory of their time there, and you can't overstate how close the first family becomes to the staff because they're the only people they see every day who don't want anything from them. they just want to make their lives more normal, and so they become so close to the staff that laura bush and jenna bush went from texas to d.c. to the funeral of a butler within the last couple of years, and laura bush read the eulogy at his funeral, and i think people don't see that side of the white house very often. >> that's really nice. now, of course, the bush daughters were in college when their father was in the white house. obviously, the obama girls, they grew up in the white house, and sasha is staying in washington
to finish high school. what's that going to be like? >> well, it's going to be incredible if you think of just the geography of it. you have ivanka and there's a nice neighborhood in d.c. you have president obama and michelle within a couple of blocks of her, and then you have the clintons' house not far away either. having a former president in d.c. is very different. we haven't seen this in a long time. seeing how they position themselves with the trump administration and, you know, if they sort of try to galvanize democrats as i think they will. not in the shadow white house, but actually kind of weigh in on topic from time to time and try to support more democrats running for office in the midterms and things like that. i think it will be fascinating to see their presence still in washington, you know, still going to restaurants in washington and i think it will be fun and interesting to see democrats and republicans in town. >> it will be different. flat out different. kate anderson broward, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> thanks, john.
>> we should also note there will be a first son, barron trump. a cnn special report, history made, the legacy of michelle obama. that airs tonight 9:00 eastern. explore the first lady's journey from chicago to the world stage. 9:00 eastern only on cnn. "inside politics" with john king starts now. >> thank you very much, john berman, and welcome to "inside politics. e "i'm john king. thanks for sharing your time with us today. we are just one week, one week, from the trump inaugural, and those steps behind me donald trump will be sworn in one week from today as the 45th president of the united states. one week we assume, then, not only with full republicans in washington, but maybe we start to get some answers about vital questions about this new administration. for starters, who has the