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had a son of her own. at the candle light vigil, he spoke just a few feet from where his mom's life was ended. >> she lived for and she died for it. she was the prime example. everything she worked for, she died for. >> my sister was a beautiful person inside and out. she would give you the shirt off her back. >> reporter: clayton died on a monday morning, outside this walmart, shot and killed by a murder suspect fugitive, a man who robbed orlando of a woman her friends called super cop. >> just thinking about her, i'm going to miss her. i'm going to miss her. >> reporter: nick valencia, cnn, orlando, florida. we continue on. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. this hour, we are waiting for this key vote on capitol hill to effectively begin paving the way to dismantle obamacare.
the republican controlled house of representatives set to vote today on this resolution that will begin the process to repeal president obama's signature piece of legislation. it will advance a measure that has already passed the senate, but the big question, how will republicans replace this plan? they have promised to repeal for seven or so years, considering the fact that some 20 million americans depend on it. let's go first to manu raju, who is our go-to guy on capitol hill. we know as we've been talking, you know, even among house republicans, manu, before this vote, they too have hesitations because they don't know yet what the replacement plan is. >> >> reporter: yeah, that's right. the party has yet to present a replacement plan. they want to maybe replace part of the law piece by piece and pass some things in congress and do things administratively, assuming to tom price is confirmed as health and human services secretary, but that's
just a policy side. on the process side, on the tactics, the party's divided on that as well. right now, house speaker paul ryan has changed his position and says that he wants to move very quickly, simultaneously, to replace the law at the same time as repealing it. but that has caused some concerns on capitol hill. a cross section of lawmakers are divided about exactly how to move forward. take a listen. >> why don't we do replace and repeal? you know, we could do those things. we could be putting those things on the floor this week. >> reporter: do you have concerns at all about the timetable then? >> i think it's going to be a very -- i think this is going to be a very long process. >> reporter: you don't think it's going to happen right away. >> no. >> i think the repeal plan needs to be fully developed and better articulated prior to moving forward. i have some reservations about moving as quickly as we are. >> reporter: now, the reason why they're even having this debate is because of the procedures and the rules of the united states
senate that allows them to actually avoid a filibuster by moving through the budget process to repeal much of the law, but because the rules are so restrictive, you can't replace a lot of the key policy measure under those same rules. they had to get democratic support to overcome a filibuster, so that is the tactics and the challenges that the republicans have in gauging exactly how to move forward. so paul ryan last night, brooke, promising jake tapper in that cnn town hall that they were going to move within a hundred days to replace the law and repeal it but without a plan to get behind right now, there's a question of whether or not they can fulfill that campaign promise. >> we'll watch for the vote. you'll watch for it on the house side. manu, thank you very much. he mentioned the top republican in the house, paul ryan, vowing to repeal and replace simultaneously, he said it, in the first 100 days. speaker ryan said he wants to prevent millions of people from
losing their coverage altogether. >> because we see more insurance companies pulling out, people are little or no choices, and another round of double digit premium increases, we really feel we need to stoep in and provide better choices and better options as fast as possible so we're going to move on this as quickly as we can. >> first 100 days? >> definitely is a plan within the first 100 days to get moving on this legislation. >> lest talk about this. i have bill press and lonnie chin, a former public policy director for mitt romney. mr. press, i'm coming to you in just a second here. lonnie, you first. you know the deal. you know as manu perfectly outlined, the first hesitations in this procedural vote with regard to either hesitation because there's no specific replacement plan or, you know let's face it, 20 million people would be affected. this would be a major political
liability. you know speaker ryan well. how will he handle this? >> well, first of all, look, i think paul ryan has been at the forefront of talking about what that replace plan will look like so he's got a lot of great ideas. i think he's going to take a leadership perspective and say, look, here's the policy we've got to move forward with. but politically, i do think it's important for them to have replace following very quickly behind repeal if not at the same time. just to allay concerns that people have about disruption but the power of republicans is going to be at its apex during that first 100 days so they've got to take advantage of that period of time and get this done. >> it's not that they don't have ideas. they have ideas. it's just having one great idea that they can coalesce behind. bill press, you wrote the book "buyer's remorse." obama fell short on a number of issues like health care. can you see it as a possibility there is indeed room for improvement? >> the point in my book about obamacare is that single payer is the best way to go and
obamacare is a poor substitute. having said that, however, i think republicans are playing political suicide right now with this. it's a classic case to me of they're drunk with power and they're losing their common sense and they tend to lose track of the people. i mean, you pointed out, there are 20 million americans who have health insurance for the first time ever. there are fewer americans who are uninsured than there have been ever. 80% of americans who get their insurance through the marketplace are getting a federal subsidy, that's the only way they can afford it. these are real people. what's going to happen to those people? and i think it's striking that the republicans, even paul ryan, who does have a lot of ideas, they've had seven years, brooke, and they have not come up with a replacement plan. how are they going to do it in 100 days? i'm sorry, but i'm skeptical. >> well, seven years ago, they didn't have, you know, the house and the senate and the white
house, so -- >> no, but they could have come up with a better plan at the time, even, when obamacare was going forward, and they did not. >> i know lahnee helped coauthor some potential plans and tom price, the hhs secretary nominee has plans but hang on a second because to the point about, you know, president obama and we got a preview of what he said to steve croft on 60 minutes is that he said part of his job, of course, is shaping public opinion and he said there were times during his presidency where he lost the pr battle. here he was. >> part of the job description is also shaping public opinion. and we were very effective, and i was very effective, in shaping public opinion around my campaigns, but there were big stretches while governing where even though we were doing the right thing, we weren't able to mobilize public opinion firmly enough behind us to weaken the resolve of the republicans to stop opposing us or to cooperate
with us. >> so, bill, is it possible that, you know, the pr fight applies to obamacare, that the republicans, for six or seven years, have been saying it's a disaster, and despite the coverage of 20 million people, people have started believing that. >> i thought that was a very insight i haveful remark by the president, a very candid remark. i think he's absolutely true, that the obama campaign, which we remember had an incredible message machine, flawless, during the 2008 campaign, crushed hillary clinton with that message machine, once it got to the white house, they foundered in a lot of ways, and one of the ways is in selling obamacare, and the more that republicans went out and said, over and over again, lahnee, right, it's a disaster, it's a disaster, this is falling apart, americans are being hurt, blah, blah, blah, the white house, nor the democratic party, were there saying, hey, this is working, and here's how it's working. no, they lost the message battle, and that's where the fix we're in today.
>> lahnee, what do you think? >> yeah, look, brooke, i think it's right. i think that obama did lose the messaging battle, but that almost ignores the fact that there are some underlying policy here that's bad. i mean, to bill's point about single payer, if you think that this system we have now is unsustainable, wait until you go to the system that bill's proposing. the reality of where we are now is you've got almost two times as many people under obamacare who are voluntarily saying, i don't want the insurance, it's too expensive. two times as many people have that than have actually been covered through obamacare's exchanges. so there are some fundamental policy defects that republicans are trying to cure here, and i think it makes a lot of sense for them to move forward with a more market-based replacement. the issue is going to be, yeah, they've got to agree on a single replacement package, which they haven't been able to do yet. hopefully they can do that soon because that will be a political liability if they can't. >> paul ryan says in the first 100 days. >> i was just going to say, the fact is, again, i just repeat, they don't have a plan yet and
maybe that says that there's not a better plan unless you go to single payer, than obamacare, which remember, was a republican plan borrowed from mitt romney and the american heritage foundation. >> okay. just to be clear, they do have plans. they just need one plan, bill press. nice democratic talking point. bill press, lahnee chen, thank you. just had to call you on it. they just need one. coming up, we also know how many republicans feel about obamacare but what about the medical professionals out there? let's talk to dr. sanjay. also just in, some strong words from democratic congressman john lewis of georgia, civil rights icon, why he says he does not see donald trump as a legitimate president. also ahead, comedian and talk show host steve harvey takes a meeting at trump tower today. >> the trumps being on "family
feud"? yeah. against the obamas. that'll be good. or how about the clintons? if i could society it up, it would be skyrocketing for the ratings. >> light hearted with the cameras there, yes, but steve was there to talk about serious issues with the president-elect, and why he was called too by the obama administration. what he plans to do to help. coming up. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever?
all right, welcome back, you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we have just gotten some absolutely stunning sound from a sitting member of congress, a civil rights icon, congressman john lewis of georgia, who has been in office since 1987. he has just talked to chucked to on "meet the press." i just wanted to tee up the clip where he calls the president-elect -- he says he doesn't see him as a legitimate president. roll the clip. >> i believe in forgiveness. i believe in trying to work with
people. it's going to be hard. it's going to be very difficult. i don't see this president-elect as a legitimate president. >> you do not consider him a legitimate president? why is that? >> i think the russians participated in helping this man get elected. and they have destroyed the candidacy of hillary clinton. >> wow. david is with me, cnn political director jeff is with us, cnn washington correspondent. this, i think, is an absolute bomb shell to hear congressman lewis, david, saying he doesn't see him as a legitimate president. i'm just wondering how many democrats he's speaking for who are just too afraid to say it. >> that's exactly right, brooke. i was thinking the same thing about how john lewis is really giving voice to what a lot of hillary clinton supporters certainly feel, which is something, remember, as we head into this inaugural week, it is
something that the trump team is keenly aware of as well, which is why i think they're putting forth this whole theme of unity that donald trump has been hitting as a big theme around the inaugural to try and heal some of that, because obviously, he wants, as much of a unified front to kick off the beginning of his presidency, but hearing john lewis say that, i agree, it is kind of stunning, because the way he started that sound byte that you played. he is a person who has preached about forgiveness and reconciliation and coming together. he acknowledges how hard that can be, and then delivers this line, it makes you think, well, is he really going to be able to get to the forgiveness stage and work with someone he thinks is illegitimate? >> and let me add to this. and brian, thank you for texting me, hat tip to you. the question which we didn't play, the question leading into that answer from chuck todd was -- it wasn't, do you see the president-elect as legitimate? the question was, you forged relationships with many presidents. do you plan on forging a relationship with donald trump? and then congressman lewis took
it there, jeff. >> he did indeed, and obviously, he is expressing the, you know, the deep dissatisfaction, the anger that really has just gotten even more raw, really, in the last couple months with the, you know, all these new -- all the new information thats that come out from the intelligence community and things so he did take it in that direction. certainly, there are people who agree with him. but i think there will also be many democrats who will and have said, look, a week from today, donald trump is and will be the 45th president of the united states, so i think the majority of them certainly will work with him. a few, a handful of people, a handful of members of congress have said that they are not going to go to the inauguration. they simply want to protest it, but the reality here is donald trump is going to be the president, so it will be fascinating, i think, now, to see the donald trump chooses to accept any of this burden on his own when he becomes the president to try and win some of
these people over. of course, it was donald trump who led the charge in questioning the origins of barack obama, which raised questions of his own heritage and john lewis, i remember talking to him at the time, really throughout these last several years, he was very angry about that and thought that, you know, there was a reason he was doing that. so this is a lot of pent-up frustration, history, and emotion from mr. lewis today. >> hey, brooke, we should just add, just to remember, though, that the new world order in washington is one that is in full republican control, and so john lewis's participation and whether or not a relationship is forged actually, in practical terms, may have very little impact on the actual agenda setting and forward movement of policy, because republicans are in control of the house and the senate and the presidency as of next friday, and so, i do think jeff's question is a good one. how much does donald trump see a minority party that he actually doesn't need, necessarily, for the bulk of things he wants to
accomplish? he may need them where he bucks his own party on the hill, but for the bulk of stuff he wants to accomplish that he doesn't need, how much does he see it as a necessity to forge a relationship nonetheless. >> true, but again, it's not some freshman, you know, member of congress. >> without a doubt. >> this is john lewis we're talking about and i'd be curious to keep an eye on somebody's twitter page to potentially react to that. let's move on. you know, we know the president-elect's controversial choice for national security adviser contacted the russian ambassador to the united states, apparently multiple times, late last month. this happened just before the obama administration had announced that it would be imposing new sanctions against the kremlin for interfering in the presidential election. we have heard from sean spicer saying the first communication was a merry christmas text followed by a routine phone call. here he was. okay, we don't have the sound, but again, it was apparently bsh let me just paraphrase that it was communication to get put
engine touch with trump once he's inaugurated so the question is, david chalian, how much will this stir the pot among trump critics and how justified is it. >> well, you know, we don't know the full content, necessarily, you're right, that is the readout from the trump transition team, it was just this christmas sort of message and then setting um a future phone call. you would think, though, just as a blind spot, a political blind spot, that with all the heat around the trump/russia relationship right now, that the trump team would just stay away from any possible appearance of being in touch with them before some -- the formal trump administration begins. it's so white hot right now, its just seems odd that michael flynn would even engage in that in this transition period. >> okay. all right. david chalian, i appreciate it. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. for what's happening in
washington. but let's talk about charleston, south carolina, the racist murderer who was convicted of killing nine worshippers in that church has been sentenced to death. we'll talk live to a woman who lost her mother and two cousins. she has been in that courtroom each and every day. what she thinks of the outcome. coming up.
couple summers ago after a dozen people were gathering, and when they closed their eyes in prayer, the man pulled out a gun and started shooting. and now, after weeks of this trial, nearly two years after this heinous angt, he became the first person convicted of federal hate crime to receive the death penalty. and in his claezing statement before the sentencing, he talked about how he felt like he had to do it. not because he was full of hatred, he says, but because he didn't like what black people do. couple months ago, i was given a rare access into that very bible study room and i talked exclusively to those left behind about who they had lost. >> so this is the room. >> yes, it is. >> this is sacred space. >> it is. >> where would they have been seat snd. >> in this particular area right here. everyone seated around, so it was about 12 of them, plus. >> five people survived. the wife and daughter of church
pastor clemt pinckney were two of them. >> the youngest daughter in the office, hidden under the desk. >> they heard it all. >> they heard it and then the intruder left. >> and it was locked. >> it was locked the honorable reverend pinckney, a state senator, church pastor, husband, father, was killed. >> if you did a movie of a distinguished pastor, you know, you would have cast clemente pinckney. he had a voice that was like from god. >> because we believe all lives in south carolina matter. >> a strong, powerful voice, but he carried it so gently. >> then charleston mayor joseph riley knew many who lost their lives that night. >> this awful man took the finest people. every time i come in this church, i -- oh, boy.
just hits you. i wept at the ninth funeral. i guess i knew it was over. >> these were close friends of mine. >> what was the most difficult moment of any of those funerals for you? >> all of them were difficult. i can walk through there and it don't really bother me. i know that's what she would want me to do, not stay away from the church. come on back in there. >> the bible study room is wh e whewhere esther lance goes to remember her mother. >> i'm still trying to deal with it and it's so hard for me that i knew -- >> can you tell me a little bit about some of these folks? >> yes. and i knew them all. go from cynthia to suzy, ethel lance, every time the doors of
the church were open, sister lance was here. it's going to take even more time to go through all of this, but like i say, some days are better than others. >> wow. my next guest, a former trauma chaplain in fact, reverend sharon risher was in court for almost the entirety of this trial over the past month and a half. her mother, ethel lance, and cousin susie jackson and tywanza sanders were killed in that bible study. reverend, thank you so much for taking the time. >> thank you so much, brooke, for having me. >> i cannot begin to imagine what this process has been like for you, this trial, but let me just begin with asking, how do you feel about the outcome, that the man who killed your family has been sentenced to die? >> you know, right now, i feel, brooke, i feel good. it really is well with my soul right now.
i feel like the judicial system did everything they could to make sure that everything was going to be just and fair and that these jurors would have everything they needed to make a fair decision. so, the verdict just gave me a sense of now, maybe all of us could breathe a sigh of relief that this segment of it is over and now we start to think about where do we go from here. >> finally breathe. you know, i talked to you just shortly after the shooting. this is what you shared with me then. >> two days, i wandered around in my pajamas, watching the news because i couldn't take missing anything, because i was hoping beyond hope that somehow they got it wrong.
but i knew it wasn't wrong. i knew that she was gone. >> we just learned last week the prosecutor is indeed going to seek the death penalty. >> yes. >> i would be remiss not to ask you, do you forgive him and how do you feel about that. >> i don't forgive him yet. being a pastor and a reverend, i know that forgiveness is a part of life and what we do as a world to get past, but i'm not there. i don't want to forgive him. i don't want to have to say, i forgive you for killing my mother. i don't want to have to say that. >> i remember that moment, reverend risher. are you there yet? or is it still too soon? >> you know what? i am not where i used to be. i'm going to be honest about that. i really don't have any bitter
feelings, but i'm just going to continue to work on that, and i'll hold that whether i forgive or not. close to my heart and keep that personal, but i know within my soul that i'm not that same person i was 19 months ago. the journey has carried me further along than i thought i could ever get to. >> you were in that court. was it almost -- every day for almost 20 days. what was that like? and did you ever even try to lock eyes with him? >> it was surreal to be in that courtroom for that many days. you almost kind of felt like it was a job. that your job was to be there on time and to take notes and to listen carefully because you didn't want to miss anything,
and knowing that you was just that close to this person that did not respond, did not make eye contact, you just realized that this is the way this was going to be. and you just tried to keep your mind focused on what was ahead and what it is that you needed to do. >> if you ever had a moment -- have you ever thought in your head, if i could say this one thing to him, it would be what? >> well, i actually had that opportunity to say that one thing, and i said to him, i hope that those nine angels visit you every night, that you would have an opportunity to hear their voices, knowing that they will continually forgive you and that
one day, one day, one day, maybe you'll believe like they believed. >> reverend sharon risher, bless you and your family and this amazing village of families that you all have built, these relationships and i'm sure that will endure a lifetime. thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you. got to pull away from that because we do have some ben hogan award -- breaking news we need to turn to. the u.s. house has passed a measure to repeal obamacare. this is the steps to dismantle it. manu raju has been watching on the hill. what's the vote? >> the vote concluded by 227-198 vote passing the house, just moments ago, nine republicans voting against that measure. they only needed 218 to pass it. now, what happens next is this. this budget proposal,
essentially, instructs the congressional committees to develop legislation that would repeal major portions of the obamacare law. the affordable care act. now, it's not clear exactly what parts of the obamacare law will be included in that repeal legislation. that is going to be a debate that's going to start to happen behind closed doors as republicans start to grapple with that key issue. and the bigger question, also, what to do about replacing the law. the republican leadership now in line with donald trump, saying that they want to replace the law at the same time as repealing it. that means that in that repeal legislation, if they're going to start to draft, they're going to have to include some provisions that will replace aspects of obamacare, and this is all complicated by two things. one, the rules of the united states senate prohibit what exactly they can include in that repeal legislation, so they may not be able to get everything that they want in that. and also, the policy. there's no agreement among
republicans yet about what provisions to include as part of a new health care law. so, a lot of internal debate about to take place after this vote, but this vote critical because it sets the stage to begin that repeal process and also to be able to do that under the rules by avoiding a democratic filibuster by using this budget process. so, a significant vote today, beginning that debate but also just the very, very beginning, because a very contentious debate to take place just soon here in the coming weeks. >> so while i know your eyes have been focused on this house vote, let me break some news to you and then you can expand upon it. we've been talking about this mattis waiver vote. it has now officially passed, time remaining 22 seconds here. so it has passed. this, of course, is about, you know, retired general mattis up for secretary of defense under a trump administration, remind us why this was necessary, manu. >> that's because he has been a former military commander, someone who worked in the
military, and now he's going to be the top civilian -- have this top civilian post at the pentagon and there's a law that actually prohibits people who are in the military from being -- running the top civilian post. so this actually grants a waiver, so to general james mattis to allow him to become the defense secretary, taking that top civilian job skpe. they needed to do that because of the fact that he used to be, just more recently, serving in the armed services. now, he has not been confirmed yet by the united states senate. that's a separate vote that will take place in the coming days. we are expecting him likely to be confirmed as soon as january 20, the day that donald trump's sworn into office. so that is one nominee, brooke, that has got bipartisan support on capitol hill. >> thank you so much. let me read this for all of you on the house side regarding the initial steps to dismantling
obamacare, just got this statement from speaker of the how's paul ryan saying, by taking this first step toward repealing obamacare, we are closer to giving americans relief from the problems this law has caused. he goes on. too many families have seen costs soar, quality drop and choices reduced to one which just isn't a choice at all. this resolution gives us the tools we need for a step by step approach to fix these problems and put americans back in control of their health care. from speaker ryan. we'll be right back.
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democrats are furious at comey for reopening the investigation 11 days before an election, and republicans are furious with comey that he cleared her for the second time just days later. today, an opinion piece written by the "wall street journal" editorial board reads as follows, "the best advice mr. comey can render his country now is to resign. if comey declines, donald trump can and should fire him in the best interest of the nation's most important law enforcement agency." so john rizzo is back with us today, general counsel for the cia, 34 years with the agency. john rizzo, you know jim comey. i imagine he is taking a good long think about his job now. do you think he should resign? >> no. not yet. i met and dealt with jim comey back in the -- around 2004, 2005
when i was cia general counsel and he was deputy attorney general, and he is a -- i always found him to be a straight shooter, and so no, i think it would be premature now for him to step down. >> how does he square, though, if you put yourself in his shoes, you know, the frustration from both parties as we're hearing from these members coming out of closed door meetings with him, you know, compared to, i understand, you know, the rank and file within the bureau still really have a tremendous amount of respect for him, even though they don't necessarily approve of what he did some months ago. how does he weigh that? >> well, i mean, it's important to get -- have the rank and file behind you, believe me, i've had a lot of experience with that in my three decades at cia. if you lose your work force, then you're gone. but this being washington and this being politics, it's, you know, he's managed -- as you say, brooke, managed to anger
both across the political spectrum. one note. he did duly release a statement yesterday after the ig investigation was announced, jim was saying he welcomed the investigation. i will tell you from experience, you never welcome an ig investigation if you're the target of that investigation. >> why do you think he did that? >> well, i mean, i think, first of all, what else could he say? >> sure. nothing. >> perhaps. perhaps. i mean, yeah, i think honestly, as i say, i like and respect him, but you know, he has -- he maybe should have toned down his public statements altogether, because they have not done him any good or any service up to this point. >> let me just play this one exchange. this was the independent senator in maine questioning him, this is angus king, and i want you to listen more and comey's response and then the senator's injected
comment. >> mr. comey did you answer the question that there is an investigation underway as to connections between either the political campaigns and the russians? >> i didn't say one way or another. >> you didn't say that there were -- >> that was my intention at least. >> you didn't say whether or not there's an investigation underway. >> correct. i don't -- especially in a public forum, we never confirm or deny a pending investigation. >> the irony of your making that statement here, i cannot avoid. but i'll move on. >> so you see the irony as well? >> oh, yes. yes. senator king, i think, used some down home maine understatement. yeah. i mean, that's the -- you know, that's the problem he's in, brooke. he's painted himself into a corner by, you know, making his past public statements about the clinton e-mail investigation, whether it was open or closed, back open again. you know, he sets this precedent
now where, you know, frankly, it looks awkward to watch something like this where, you know, he reverts to the normal established fbi practice of not confirming or denying any investigation. and then gets -- and then gets, you know, gets hung out to dry like the way senator king did. >> he's in a tough spot at the moment. >> he sure is. >> we'll be watching. john rizzo as always, thank you, sir. >> thank you, brooke. next, back to our breaking story on capitol hill. the house voting to move forward with this initial procedural step of potentially paving the way to dismantle obamacare. we have heard a lot about, you know, what patients, what americans are thinking about potential changes, but what about the medical profession? dr. sanjay gupta talks to doctors for their perspective.
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that's that breaking news on capitol hill that the house has taken its first vote as it begins the process of appealing obamacare. it has just approved this budget resolution mostly along party lines. so, we know for the most part how republicans feel about obamacare. what about the millions of medical professionals? cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta went straight to them. >> he's all yours. >> i love medicine. medicine is great. when you sit in the exam room, you interact with the patient, you operate. you do those things that we were trained to do. it's awesome. when i have to deal with all the bureaucracy and burden that's built around the system of health care, that makes medicine difficult. >> reporter: on a typical 14-hour day, doctor brian hill is constantly a mersed in the realities of health care. his conclusion? >> the affordable care act has
to go away. a year from now, 2008, what do you think it looks like? >> i think it will be the same political mo political moase it was today. >> reporter: it's safe to say most doctors like brian hill are not shy when it comes to expressing their views on obamacare. >> mad as hell. >> reporter: just like the rest of us, studies find doctors tend to like or dislike the laul based on their existing political preference. >> okay, any pain up here? >> reporter: there are other factors. your age, for example. >> younger physicians were generally more favorable towards the affordable care act and more supportive of the idea that the government has a role to play in helping citizens afford their access to health care. >> reporter: so, how do doctors feel about obamacare? well, a little stuck because surveys show only 3.2% give obamacare an a-grade. and yet most of the major medical organizations are urging no repeal without replacement. worried about the loss of coverage for millions of people.
>> i think the ama has it right. this is the biggest drop in the number of people without health insurance since the creation of medicare and medicaid 50 years ago. >> for people who are out there who have been beneficiaries, some 20 million of them, what would you say to them as a doctor? >> did we really solve the problem? copays are going up. >> are they really giving you access to health care? >> reporter: as many see it, the same care costs more than it should. >> i look at my office and i've got a code, a bill, prior authorization, precertification, all of those things have raised the cost of health care to the point where physicians went, i'm out. >> reporter: last year hill got out. his practice swallowed by one of atlanta's largest hospitals, a growing trend across the country. that did reduce his costs, but now he worries about his patients. why? because big hospitals can charge more money. for example, we decided to join dr. hill in the operating room.
we understand that now that he's partners with the hospital, he could be doing the same type of operation on the same type of palgt literally in the same operating room, except the costs will now be 20 to 30% higher. the hospital that's partnering with hill refused to comment for the story. so, what is the solution? for hill, it's about giving the market back to the consumer and letting doctors earn their trust. >> when you have 35 people in washington to fix thing, we're going to fix it. i have faith in that. >> got it and no catheter. >> i think the solutions are going to come from us. >> all right, sanjay, the public is split on this. doctors are split on this. what did doctors who truly believe in the affordable care act think? >> well, you know, it's sort of depends on what motivated their thinking in the first place. there's many doctors, a large percentage, who don't think this affordable care act should be
repealed, maybe tweaked around the edges a bit, but not repealed. many of them because they believe morally it's the right thing, 20 million people insured, there's no way you can create a system or change a system that might affect those people. there's also a lot of people who believe the affordable care act should not be repealed because it is now so entrenched. i think that's part of the reality, right, brooke? maybe we don't know how they felt about it five, sick years ago, they didn't have a strong opinion. it is the way they do business. it is the way they interact with their patients, the way payments occur in hospitals. to go through a big transition again for them, that is a big concern, in addition obviously to the patients losing insurance. so, there's many, many different factors at play. as i pointed out in the piece, brooke, this is their reality. this is their job. so, theory mersed in y're immer constantly. >> 20 million americans use this. so many people are clicking on your stories on cnn.com. we'll obviously stay all over
this as now this is the beginning of the procedural vote underway to start the road to potentially dismantle, repeal or replace. sanjay, as always, thank you so much. still ahead here on cnn, president obama sends thousands of troops to poland in the largest u.s. military deployment in eastern europe since the end of the cold war. cnn is there live as tensions with russia escalate. we'll be right back.
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