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children grow up in the white house. thank you, jean casarez. and thanks to all of you for watching us. have a great weekend and of course watch "out front" anytime anywhere on cnn go. "ac 360 with anderson cooper" begins right now. good evening. thanks for join us. we begin with breaking news involving multiple facets of the russian hacking story and fallout from it. a closed door briefing by fbi director james comey where debbdebby wasserman schultz reportedly tore into him about the stolen e-mails that led to her ouster. the bigger development comes from the senate intelligence committee and bipartisan plans to not just investigate the hacking but contact between the trump campaign and the russian government. phil matingly, what are you learning about the scope of this investigation? >> broad and has potentially reel teeth. this is a powerful committee. this is a bipartisan
investigation agreed to by the top republican and the top democrat and as they pursue this investigation, this is a committee that has subpoena power. i said potentially because the senators will have to decide jointly to pursue the things that bring the teeth to this, most notably the subpoena power. but in their description of what this inquiry is going to entail, they make very clear they will be interviewing people in the incoming administration, the outgoing administration, the intelligence community, and those interviews, should they not be agreed with, the committee will not hesitate to subpoena individuals. there's no avoiding or dodging this committee. that's what makes it important. that's what makes it potentially powerful. it's a targeted look into this situation. that's also a big deal because it's not just a look at the assessment from the intelligence community into the russian meddling of the elections. they are going deep into specific pieces of that. those pieces could bring forth news we haven't heard about or
have had a lot of questions about. >> not naming him, is this directed in any way at president-elect trump's campaign team? >> important point. in kind of the announcement of this inquiry they do not mention the trump campaign or the clinton campaign. but the there's really only one way to read how this is targeted. you kind of hit on it. one of the ideas, one of the issues they will be delving into specifically is potential contacts between russian intelligence, middlemen for russian intelligence, and campaigns. there's really only one campaign that pertains to. i texted one senate aide earlier tonight and said is there any way to look at this other than a direct look into the trump organization, campaign, transition? one-word response -- no. this is targeted at the trump operation looking into how this all came to be. obviously looking deeply into russian intelligence and what they did as well. but there is one potential target, one real target and that is any connection the trump
campaign has had with russian intelligence services and more importantly any connection russian intelligence services had in helping the president-elect trump win that election, these are the types of things this investigation could unveil. >> let's be clear. this is supposedly a bipartisan investigation. right? >> that's exactly right. that's an important note on capitol hill. it's an important aspect of this particular committee pursuing this investigation. kind of an interesting development because 24 hours ago the republican chairman of this committee said he wasn't going to be digging into potential contacts between russian intelligence and the trump campaign, didn't want this to turn into a political firestorm, had a lot of individuals on capitol hill and some democratic senators wondering if it would have any teeth really matter at all. in 24 hours that changed, the direction of the investigation changed. i think that's why everybody on capitol hill, even though it came out on a friday night when the house and senate were out of session, getting a lot of e-mails and text messages saying people believe this is real and
could matter. >> phil mattingly, appreciate the update. fib director james comey's appearance on the hill generated heat. the latest on his clash with house democrats. the purpose of the briefing was to fill in members of the house regarding details of the russian hacking. that's not all they wanted to ask the fbi director. >> they wanted to ask also about the hillary clinton e-mail vex and how that came about, especially his october surprise letter 11 days before the election in which he informed members of congress there were new e-mails they had found and they had essentially reopened the investigation. the interesting context is that jed there was a senate briefing and we had a lot less fireworks. what happened was in the senate they had about a couple hours to talk to james comey and all the other intelligence chiefs. in the house today they had only about an hour because of
scheduling issues. it apparently got heated. we're told in the senate briefing comey was able to provide more information in what happened, they had found e-mails in an unrelated investigation into anthony weiner, and what comey told the senate members was simply that the fbi had found all these new classified e-mails, e-mails they had not seen before, but at the end of doing their investigation they determined that hillary clinton had not violated the law, the same conclusion they reached previously. apparently in the house briefing it didn't go so well. because of the lack of time and because they had so many more questions about the clinton e-mail investigation and why comey had handled it the way he did, things turned a lot more fiery. >> what do we know about the confrontation or words between the former dnc, debby wasserman schul schultz, and the fbi director?
>> you'll remember these e-mails were hacked by russian intelligence agencies and published by wikileaks showed a lot of very embarrassing facts about debby wasserman schultz, ended up costing her her job right before the democratic national convention. so she fronted james comey to ask him why didn't you call me? why didn't you pick um the phone and say this is what we found the russians are doing? there was a lot of pushback between the two. comey said we did try to call your general counsel. the fbi tried multiple times to try to make sure they understood what the dnc, understood what the gravity of the situation was. and the dnc did not take it seriously. there was definitely a very tense moment there. other members of congress emerged from that thinking comey should go. a few of them said they think he should resign. >> congressman debby wasserman
schultz just released a statement. what did it say? >> she said -- i'll read it. "as a member of congress, i will not compromise information learned and discussed in a classified briefing. however, the fbi director must clarify for the american people the agency's policies for investigating and alerting those hacked by foreign governments. there are further questions that must be answered by director comey who must provide more clarity on this and other questions that have arisen surrounding fbi's handling of russian hacking during the 2016 election cycle." one part of this is that democrats i think are frankly in a bit of a pickle. some of them want james comey to be tossed out because they feel he handled this so badly, cost hillary clinton the election, he ought to be fired. the problem with that is that now what you are doing is giving donald trump a pick for fbi director and i'm not sure that's exactly what they want. they're in a very difficult
political situation. we'll see how it turns out. right now donald trump has already said he doesn't know whether james comey should stay in this job. we'll see what happens. thank you very much. maggie haberman, paul begala, kayla mcmain knee. maggie, this is a bipartisan committee but a republican controlled committee. the chairman said it was critical to understand the scope of russia's influence in the u.s. election. does it with the support of mcconnell. >> this will be a difficult thing for the incoming president to contend with. >> why? >> you'll have a parade of witnesses, subpoena power. they'll look at any connections -- there have been allegations about this from democrats for a while, trump's
denied it, between his campaign and russian officials. the fact this will be taking place under oath potentially ups the stakes. not what an incoming president wants to do, especially someone like donald trump who has set expectations high and still has the realities of washington. this is going to be an unpleasant situation. it will not be comfortable for him. it may not prove something but it's not a great issue and one he feels delegitimizes -- >> important point, alex. for this president-elect he feels this an attempt to delegitimize the election results. and if this continues, this commission moving forward can only just continue to drip, drip, drip this story and that doesn't serve his purpose. >> right.
on a basic level even before a witness is called this lends a certain level of gravity to the charges about potential connections or motives adjusting u. u.s./russia policy that voters are hearing about. to maggie's point, the relationship between donald trump and the senators who control the balance of power in this republican senate, it's a very, very small margin of control, is already really tenuous. the relationship between trump and the chamber hinges in a lot of ways on republicans who are hawks in general and hawks on russia in particular. as fragile as that relationship already is, you could imagine a committee like this testing it every day. >> kayla, couldn't this be an attempt by republicans, understandable, to get this issue out of the way for the president-elect? that's a positive way to look at
it for the president-elect. >> absolutely. i think you've seen republicans asking questions of the intelligence community, democrats asking questions. fairly common to do this. when the president-elect takes office, they'll hit the ground running. he listed his priorities, repealing obamacare, the wall, on and on. those will be his priorities. yes, this will get headlines, but the president-elect's priority is the american people and he won't take his eyes off that. >> this is a reversal for senator burr. >> big time. senator burr from north carolina signed on to be one of donald trump's national security advisors during the campaign.
color me skeptical about richard burr's bipartisan credentials but he got mark warner to sign on to this investigation. democrats have a lot of faith in him. the things we know are stunning, the rugs hacked the democrats, did it because they preferred trump, and putin approved it because he preferred trump. we know they timed it to do maximum damage to democrats. we don't know if trump's campaign know or collude. >> u.s. intelligence says this is what they believe. it went to the highest levels and that means putin. they haven't said we know 100% vladimir putin -- >> i watched the public testimony. they said with high degree of confidence and director clapper said my resolve is more solid today than when i first issued the report back in october. you're right, i was probably too hard to say we know.
our intelligence community, all 17 agencies, say with the highest level of certainty they can muster this is true. we don't know where the investigation will go. >> we heard rex tillerson say based on his knowledge of russia this is something that would have likely have gone to the top. not a conclusion that's being challenged from the other side. >> we have to take a break. more to talk about including strong words from john lewis. why he says donald trump is not a legitimate. and more on the senate investigating possible contact between moscow and the trump team. focusing attention on the national security advisor designate and his text to russia's ambassador to the u.s. and the timing of it. americans - 83% try to eat healthy. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's
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civil rights icon and democratic congressman john lewis says he will not consider donald trump a legitimate president and says he's planning on doing something he's never done since being elected to congress. >> i don't see this president-elect as a legitimate president. >> why is that? >> i think the russians participated in helping this man get elected.
and they have destroyed the candidacy of hillary clinton. i don't plan to attend the inauguration. it would be the first one that i miss since i've been in the congress. you cannot be at home with something you feel that is wrong. i think there was a conspiracy on the part of the russians and others to help him get elected. that's not right. that's not fair. that's not the open democratic process. >> congressman lewis says he believes russia helped destroy hillary clinton's presidential campaign and conspired to help donald trump win the white house. back with our panel. paul, i get he doesn't like donald trump or doesn't want to accept the results of the election. is this helpful in any way to have john lewis, highly respected for his civil rights record -- if a republican said this about a president-elect
hillary clinton democrats would be up in arms. >> if a republican said barack obama wasn't born in america, we need to see his birth certificate, that would be an outrage. no evidence obama was born in kenya yet trump pushed that. that tape, that's coming from a mace of pain. i think democrats need to accept it. but the problem that trump has is he hasn't brought john lewis on board who should be easy. he is not a very partisan guy. he is an icon of the civil rights movement, believes in the beloved community martin luther king preached. trump only has a 37% approval rating in his transition. 37%. george w. bush who many people thought was illegitimate, like me, was at 61%. very brief transition because of the recount, spent that time building support across the aisle. trump has done nudone of that. >> is it the job of donald trump
to reach out to john lewis? john lewis, we should say he believes in forgiveness and trying to work with people. but saying donald trump is not a legitimate president won't help the working relationship. >> it won't. i would disagree with paul. he has tried to reach out during the transition. we have seen a fairly fruitful relationship between president obama and president-elect trump. lewis is putting a liberal leftist above being an american, putting self-interests and part zap interests above american interests. that is a despicable comment to not show up for the inauguration. if he thinks russia's destroyed hillary clinton's chances, he needs to look inward. what destroyed her chances were a private server in a basement, bernie sanders damning the kand da di before it began, he need to stop blaming a great guy,
frikt james comey and stop blaming the russians and look inward. >> maggie? >> i think congressman lewis as a civil rights icon is going to come at this and be seen from a different perspective and through less of a lens of partisanship. i think there is a risk for trump this does seep into the consciousness. you have other electricitied officials who will say something like that. it will aggravate trump. he does not like the view that his presidency could be an asterisk in some way. i think if trump -- it is not just that he has not really reached out to the other side. he has been in campaign mode eventually since the election. and that has not really changed. there have been elements where he has certainly had conversations with president obama, they have spoken a bunch,
he spoke to chuck schumer then called shum err clown for disagreeing with him on twitter. that might bring them cover but this is not exactly more harmony. i think there is a greater risk for donald trump in this than there is to congressman lewis. >> alex, i come back to i just remember before the election there was all this talk of would donald trump accept the results of the election and there was a lot of handwringing what if he doesn't and how terrible that will be. can't republicans point to john lewis and say that's what john lewis is doing? >> sure. i think a lot of republicans will see this as a comment that crossed the line although they'll be careful about taking on john lewis personally because of the status he enjoys sort of historically in american politics. i think paul mentioned briefly george w. bush. when you talk to folks who were involved in george w. bush's first term, coming into office with more people having voted for somebody else, they talk about how politically perilous that was and how important it was to do these kind of
ostentatious and in many cases substantive displays of bipartisan, working with ted kennedy and no child left behind in that first year, it was important for him to convince americans not that he was a legitimate president because people by and large accepted that but that he was able to represent everybody, right. when you look at the polling for trump, it is why what lewis is saying is dangerous for trump as well, that he comes in on weaker footing than any president he's had in modern times. that's why plenty of democrats would prefer that john lewis not go out there and say this because for a lot of sort of more cautious people in the party, they think the circumstances speak for themselves. >> i understand maggie's point about attacking schumer on twitter. i understand that. that was after him personally being attacked. but i disagree with the notion entirely that trump hasn't reached across the aisle. >> i didn't say that. >> he brought al gore into his office. >> i didn't say that. >> he brought union leaders into his office. >> director of -- >> this notion he hasn't tried
to be bipartisan i think is false. >> what i said and i think that's what you're responding to is she has continued his slash and burn approach, very different from george w. bush. i think most people will see the election and the presidency as legitimate but i think that for trump going in as alex said with such a perilous approval rating, that's just the reality. things are going to get difficult. >> we have to leave you there. enjoy the rest of your friday the 13th. more tonight on donald trump's national security advisor designate michael flynn, his ties to the russians. ugh. heartburn.
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>> reporter: tonight confirmation that president-elect trump's national security advisor general michael flynn was in contact with the russian ambassador to the u.s. the very same day the obama administration announced retaliation for russia's unprecedented cyberattack of the 2016 election. in late december the trump transition team says flynn and a russian ambassador exchanged a series of text messages and a phone call. on christmas day, december 25th, flynn texted the russian ambassador, "i want to wish you a merry christmas and happy new year. i look forward to touching base with you." the russian ambassador wished him a merry christmas again. then the russian asked to give flynn a call. that phone call happened december 29th, the same day the white house announced sanctions on russia and ordered some 35 russian diplomats to leave the country immediately.
trump's transition team says the men did not discuss sanctions on russia. instead their conversation was focused on arranging a call between rgs president vladimir putin and president-elect trump after the inauguration. today the white house says its reaction depends. >> you could imagine why these kinds of interactions may take place. why the incoming national security advisor may have the need to contact the representative of a foreign government based here in washington, d.c. depend op what they discussed. de did he understand on what he said. >> reporter: flynn's ties to russia have been scrutinized since the moment trump tapped him to be the closest adviser on national security. flynn was seated right next to president putin at a russian media gala in december of 2015 and had a paid speaking gig with russia today, the kremlin's tv network, before taking on a formal campaign role.
today trump denied claims that russia has compromising information on him and continued to accuse intelligence chiefs of leaking allegations. he tweeted it was probably leased by intelligence in quotes even though there is no proof and never will be. >> jim, i understand a transition official told cnn the two men are not in frequent contact. is that the case? what else do we know? >> reporter: that's right. not frequent contact. they say on that december 29th conversation the day of those new sanctions being imposed on russia the two men did not talk about the sanctions but they have talked about many other issues like when the russian ambassador was killed in turkey also an invitation from russia for the u.s. to participate in syria peace talks. so an ongoing conversation but of course as relations between the u.s. and russia have gotten worse particularly over the election related medley. >> jim sciutto, thanks very much. coming up after the break, donald trump has said he'll
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of course it was a big deal in donald trump's campaign, build a wall, make mexico pay it more than making americans paying for it and trying to get mexico to pay us back. >> we're going to build a wall. i could wait about a year and a half before we finish our negotiations with mexico which will start immediately after we get to office but i don't want to wait. mike pence is leading an effort to get final approvals through various agencies and through congress for the wall to begin. i don't feel like waiting a year or a year and a half. we'll start building. mexico in some form, and there are many different forms, will reimburse us and they will reimburse us for the cost of the wall. >> mexico obviously said
repeatedly it's not paying and that's not the only hurdle mr. trump will face as he tries to build it. there are legal obstacles, environmental laws. but cnn has learned trump's team is talking with the u.s. army corps of engineers. there was a visit that happened last month. >> reporter: the interior department is one of many agencies that would be involved if a wall is built along the southern border. it overseas federal land and as you said environmental laws. a u.s. official tells me there were members of trump's transition team there at the agency. they had several questions, some of their questions included, you know, how many miles of wall would be necessary to properly secure the southern border. they also wanted to know how long it would take to construct a wall given potential legal complications or legal obstacles. the source telling me it
appeared as if members of the transition team were trying to gauge what were the potential regulatory obstacles that might get in the way of building the wall. >> what about contact with the army corps of engineers? >> reporter: a dod official telling cnn members of trump's team have been in contact with the army corps of engineers, specifically the southwest division, that has constructed fencing in the past along the border. we are told some of the questions the team asked included cost, they wanted to know about cost and they also wanted to know how they were able to construct that fencing previously. we know the army corps of engineers would be the ones to execute this project. >> donald trump has always made the distipgs between fencing and wall.
the department of homeland security would also have to prepare for the president-elect's plans. >> reporter: absolutely. the information i'm getting is the moment that donald trump was elected as president conversations began at the department of homeland security. and those discussions essentially were in preparation for the scenario that one day they are told that they have to make this happen. so a part of those conversations involved identifying what's the priority area along the southern border. where would we start? where would we start first as it relates to erecting that wall? that's the nature of the conversations that have been happening at dhs. we should point out we did reach out to the trump transition team but did not receive a response. >> rene marsh, appreciate it. jeffrey lord and robert reich joining us. secretary reich, how realistic
is it for the president-elect to say mexico will reimburse for the wall? >> it's completely ridiculous. the president of mexico two days ago assured mexicans there was no way mexico is going to pay for this wall. this is a folly. the wall itself is a folly. it's based on a very big lie that donald trump told over and over during the election, that we have a gigantic problem of undocumented workers coming in from mexico. in fact the reality is that there is a dramatic decline in the number of undocumented workers coming into this country even though the department of homeland security is saying that. this wall will be expensive, costing -- the best estimate, most accurate and detailed estimate is $25 billion. think of all of the education, all of the kids, all of the
health care that we could be providing for $25 billion and american taxpayers are going to be stuck paying this. >> jeff, what about that? the mexican president said mexico isn't paying for the wall. >> we're seeing a negotiate with the man who wrote "the art of the deal." he knows how to build buildings and walls and is very good at it. two, as you've hinted at here, anderson, visa fees, border card fees, wire transfers, there are all manner of things, trade negotiations that will result in payments from mexico to the united states. so i'm very confident his ability to do this. >> i want to play something that president-elect said about the wall during his press conference the other day. >> i say who's going to pay for
the wall? they will scream out mexico. now, reports went out last week, oh, mexico's not going to pay for the wall because of a rebim ursment. what's the difference? >> is there a difference between payment and reimbursement if the u.s. is actually reimbursed for the price? >> in economic terms, yes. mexico supposedly would reimburse or pay, not a great deal of economic difference, but there's no reason to suppose that mexico wants to do this. the argument that after all donald trump wrote the book, "the art of the deal," makes that possible, is utterly foolish. it's not politically realistic. donald trump may be a good deal maker when it comes to business, and i'm not even sure of that, or erecting giant edifices like trump tower, but when it comes to actually political, i remember political negotiations, there's no evidence he
understands anything. mexico is our ally, our southern border. we need and have maintained and must have good relationships with mexico for all kinds of reasons. we are dependent on them as they are dependent on us. we don't want drugs coming in from mexico. we need mexico's cooperation on guns and drugs, mexico's cooperation with regard to trade. mexico is a gigantic and important ally. >> if they were such a good partner we wouldn't have this problem in the first place. >> as i said, there is no problem here. if you've listened to what i say. if you listen to what the experts are saying there is no problem. we know even the department of homeland security is saying that there is no problem of actual mexicans crossing the border illegally. it has gone down. we have the lowest level right now of interventions of mexicans
crossing the border since 1973. and that's not just because we are -- we are spending $8 billion already a year on border patrols, but we've been spending that for years and the rate is going down. >> go ahead. >> mr. secretary, if you would listen to the cnn town hall last night you would have heard a woman stand up and talk about her son who was killed by an illegal immigrant who was deported several times. they are here. they are doing these things. we have to have control of our border. this is a country of immigrants. >> this is sort of policy making my anecdote. wait a minute. can i say something here? >> wait a minute. >> policymaking by anecdote is not accurate. look at the data. i know the trump administration doesn't want to look at the data with regard to the environment and global warming and climate change and intelligence and russia. you have to look at data.
there is such thing as facts in the world. >> all i can tell you is i listen to all sorts of experts quote the data in this election and they said hillary clinton was going to be elected president and they were wrong. >> does that mean we live in a world in which there are no facts? this is what interests me because whether you're talking about mexican illegal immigration or about the intelligence community and russia and hacking or you're talking about climate change, are we now living in a world or soon to live in a world under donald trump in which truth and facts are all just the basis -- >> truth, facts and -- >> jeffrey, we have to go. >> truth, facts, and science, i might add, matter. >> all right. >> glad to hear that. >> we'll leave the conversation will the. secretary, jeffrey, thank you. when sasha and malia obama wept to check out the white house in 2008, the bush daughters showed them around. now they have advice for them.
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like to be the daughter of the president. sasha and malia are getting advice from two other sisters who know what they're going through. >> eight years ago on a cold november day we greeted you on the steps of the white house. >> barbara bush sharing the new letters she and her sister jenna have written to the obama girls. a lot has changed since the twin first met sasha and malia. back then, the girls were 7 and 10. >> you had no choice but to move into. when you slid down the bannister of the solarium, just as we had done as 8-year-olds and again as 20-year-olds chasing our youth, >> in eight years you have done so much, you have seen so much. you stood at robben island.
>> reporter: they penned a letter to sasha and malia in 200 2007. and they offered this advice, surround yourself with loyal friends, and join in on some of the fun and enjoy the history. and cherish your animals. because sometimes you'll need the quiet comfort that only animals can provide. their most important piece of advice? our dad like yours is a man of great integrity and love. remember who your dad really is. >> it's really an exclusive club among presidential children, and they do keep in touch. there's an empathy there because they've all been through it, and no one knows what it's like to be in that kind of public spotlight when you're so young. >> reporter: in their new letter, barbara and jenna bush told sasha and malia how
impressed they were. their letter encouraged the obama girls to hold onto the memory but also embolden them to chart their own bapath. >> explore your passions, enjoy who you are. make mistakes. you're allowed to. continue to surround yourselves with loyal friends who love you, adore you and will fiercely protect you. >> take the less ons you have learned and let those guide you in making positive change. >> reporter: in closing, a sense of solidarity. >> you have lived through the unbelievable pressure of the white house. you have listened to criticism of your parents by people who have never even met them. as always, they will be rooting for you as you begin this next chapter. and so will we. >> and randi joins us now. it's really nice, the idea of
grown kids giving advice to others who are now going through what they went through. it's not unique to the kids of course. >> absolutely not. the parents do it. the first couple is given advice as well, because i guess as a first child you get pretty lonely even with the secret service and all those around. but years ago, barbara bush told hillary clinton she should bring someone chelsea's age to spend time there as much as they could to keep chelsea company, because it does get so lonely. >> you have a documentary tonight at 9:00 about michelle obama and her legacy. >> yeah, we take a look back during that special hour. her journey, really from the south side of chicago where she grew up very poor. she went to princeton and harvard, and she eventually became this very reluctant campaigner. then when her husband wins the white house she becomes this mom in chief and then eventually a voice for so many women and girls around the world.
so we have a clip. >> and i have to tell you that i can't stop thinking about this. it has shaken me to my core in a way that i couldn't have predicted. >> she was the most profound feminist without being labeled that, because she stood up for girls, and she stood up for women when they were being bullied from the most powerful platform in the world. >> she spoke for so many women when she said i feel this in my core. this is unacceptable. >> because remember this. when they go low, we go -- [ crowd chants "high" ] >> michelle slayed a dragon.
that's when your mom had come to school and gotten the bully and said "not my girls." the voice that she gave to women and girls, that's her legacythe top is what it meant for everybody and also for african-americans to see her as first lady. >> i look forward to that. randi, thank you very much. stay tuned to the top of the hour when randi hosts, the legacy of michelle obama. the amazing story of a kidnapped child 18 year the later.
we prefer secluded. what is the desert? it's absolutely what you need right now. absolutely scottsdale. before we go tonight, an incredible end to a mom's search for her kidnapped daughter. she was kidnapped by a woman dressed as a nurse 18 years ago. that baby has been growing up all along with a woman she thought was her mother. she allegedly used fraudulent documents to establish a new identity for the girl who is now 18. the young woman was found after a series of tips.
the sheriff says the biological mother and grandmother are ecstatically overwhelmed. she has a lot to process. she's spoken with her biological parents on the phone and by skype. we wish her the best in that reunion. the history, the legacy of michelle obama starts now. the following is a special cnn the following is a special cnn report. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com there was nothing in my life as a black girl from the south side of chicago that says i should have been standing her. >> first lady michelle obama, once a reluctant campaigner. >> the truth is that most americans don't opt into this. >> and a target on the campaign trail. >> it made me wonder, just how are people seeing me? >> now a vce