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york. the greatest show on earth ends its historic run on may 21 isst. we hope you make good memories. thank you for sending some of your time with us. >> "inside politics" with john king starts right now. his final days. >> change only happens when ordinary people get involved and they get engaged and they come together to demand it. >> and his feisty style. >> it's all fake news. it's phony stuff. it didn't happen. >> it's inauguration week, and the president-elect promises a quick start. >> it will be repeal and replace. it will be essentially simultaneously. >> but who to believe? trump's top national security picks split from the boss on russia and more. >> russia must know that we will be accountable to our
commitments and those of our allies and that russia must be held to account for its actions. >> inside politics, the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thanks for sharing your sunday morning as we brace for a dramatic week here in washington. the inauguration of a new president is the celebration of our democracy, peaceful transition of power even after the most bruising election seasons like everything involving donald trump this one is different. the election was 67 days ago, but emotions remain raw. democrats didn't like trump or his agenda to begin, and the more they learn about russian hack and and mendling the chance for bipartisan dwindles. >> i don't recognize the president-elect as a legitimate president. i think the russians participated in helping this man get elected, and they helped
destroy the candidacy of hillary clinton. >> raw, and the president-elect's response to civil rights icon john lewis, well, it only intensified the fight, plus it's hardly just washington on end. china is in a weekend war of words with the president-elect and mexico, too, raising the prospect of trade wars and more in the early days of the new administration, and in this tense environment add in this question. which will count more with big moments of truth, the views of candidate donald trump or the very different news of the new men taking critical cabinet jobs for president donald trump? >> my view of putin is that he has chosen to be both a strategic competitor and an adversary. >> if he says great things about me, i'm going say great things about him. i've already said he is very much of a leader. >> i do not oppose tpp. i share some of his views regarding whether the agreement that was negotiated serves spaul of america's interests best. >> we will also immediately stop
the job-jilg transpacific partnership, a disaster. >> with us this sunday to share their reporting julie pace, manu raju, liralerrer and mary cat rite hamm. donald trump was a confrontation al and disruptive force as a candidate and every reason to believe he plans that for his presidency. in a moment what that means on the world stage. a new trump interview with "the wall street journal" has china on edge, and those who think the president-elect is naively soft on vladimir putin up in arms again. first though, his you have to count punch to civil rights icon and congressman john lewis hand what it tells us about the distrustful and partisan move in washington hand what it tells us about the street-fight issing style of the soon-to-be 4/545th president of the united states. the trump inauguration is congressman was already planning to skip it and he upped the ante
in an interview with nbc this is no one-day protest. >> do you plan on trying to forge a relationship with donald trump? >> no. i believe in forgiveness. i believe in trying to work with people. it will be hard. it's going to be very difficult. >> you all know what came next. a week that began with trump launching a twitter tirade at hollywood legend meryl streep ended with a trump broadside of a legend that's a hero to his democratic colleagues and revered figure to african-americans. congress monjohn lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district which is in horrible shape and falling apart. it's not really but that's what he said on twitter. donald trump going on to say not to mention crime-infest. rather than falsely complaining about the election results. all talk, talk, talk. no action or results. sad. now, to be fair to the president-elect, john lewis threw the first punch here. john lewis had to know what he was doing, a leading democrat, a leading figure in the african-american community choosing the weekend before the
inauguration to say illegitimate knowing -- knowing that donald trump was particularly sense give that word. >> absolutely. we know that trump likes to respond to every perceived slight but is sensitive to the idea he was not legitimately elected. he was legitimately elected. he won this fair and square. there are questions about russian involvement in the election but no one alleged that russian was involved in changing the results here but the question about trump, when he takes office on friday, he is going to be under so much scrutiny. he is going to get this from the right, from the left, from domestic and international critics. he cannot let slights go. is he going to continue to operate in this space where everybody who says something he disagrees will come in for a twitter counterpunch and the message we got from his counterpunch to congressman lewis that's the way he's going to operate. >> if you're still waiting for
donald trump to change, we went through it in the republican primaries and the general election and the transition, if you're waiting for him to change, find another hobby. >> i think we can expect morning tweet storms at 5:00, 6:00 a.m. every day. what's remarkable in one of the polls that came out last week, quinnipiac poll, it said that had a majority of americans, by a significant amount. >> 64%. >> don't want him to tweet anymore. they want him to close his twitter account. younger voters, even republicans, those who actually wanted him to keep his twitter account open, but in the same polls it showed that he doesn't really have much of a honeymoon period compared to the rest -- to other past republican presidents and democratic presidents. even george w. bush after the contested 2000 election had had a much stronger rating going into office than he does, and that's a risk for donald trump coming in, and it shows -- and the question of whether or not he extends an olive branch to his critics or he goings after them pretty aggressively.
>> donald trump won the election fair and square. he's a legitimate president. when he's sworn in he'll be a legitimate president. however, he did lose the popular vote and democrats focused on that a lot and one of the criticisms that he has not since the election, 67 days ago, he's not spent much time trying to reach out to them. he's told he'll prepare a speech that's unifying. will people listen to it after he's in with all the twitter wars? he did meet with the president of the afl-cio and brought in with entertainer steve harvey and there's not been a lot of outreach. jen, john lewis went first and that's clearly sent a signal. once he did that we fwrent 10 to 18 democrats who publicly said they will boycott the inauguration. i suspect that number will go up even high. what does it tell us about hyperpartisanship, the mood? we thought there would maybe be a moment because democrats say maybe we can work with him on some issues but i don't think so. >> this tells you something about trump and something we already knew and about the
democratic reaction to trump and i just want to say beyond the strategic part which i don't call it's wise to call him an illegitimate president because many democrats who should have voted democrats and should have voted hillary clinton voted donald trump and they are ordinary people who got involved and made change, big change, but beyond, that i don't think that's particularly healthy for elected officials to call him an illegitimate president when he was elected legitimately and before the election many of those people were rightly complaining that trump was signaling. >> undermining public faith in the democratic institution. >> not good for society. i said that at time about trump and not good when it does show it the other time. >> it shows how trump is breaking the presidential norms, questioning the very elections that our foundation which the democracy stands sort of leads to an weakening overall and trump does it and democrats start doing it and it becomes acceptable to question the legitimacy of a u.s. election, as we've all said legitimate.
that's not good. it also shows -- i think lewis clearly baited trump. you mentioned it was two days before martin luther king king. >> right. >> so, like he's clearly baiting him and shows how something that trump and his supporters see as a strength, which is his ability to counterpunch his, his node to be attacked back can be exploited as a weakness and that's something that could be a dangerous thing. >> and the part that's angering, and, again, i'll keep saying it, lewis went first here and he did it for a reason obviously. yes, he's a civil rights icon and historic figure in american society. this was him being a politician and he made had a calculated choice here to do it and that, of course, is his right and does send a signal and the part that has the african-american community upset is talk, talk, talk and john lewis's district is very nice. is there crime in john lewis' district, of course, but they are saying what does donald trump, like every black member of congress comes from some hellish district.
>> you've seen the most resistance from democrats from the congressional black caucus on capitol hill during the electoral college voting you saw several members of the congressional black caucus try to contest that county by count i and in the house of representatives and john lewis going much further than democratic leaders going, even the outgoing leader harry reid on his final days in office who is a fierce trump critic. i asked him do you think donald trump is a legitimate president? yes, he's a legitimate president so this kind of shows where the resistance is in the democrat being party, on the left part of the party and from my north lawmakers in particular. >> the question is we know others are following suit to skip. i'll use the word boycott, they can use whatever word they want, the inauguration. will others join suit and some democrats say too bad, donald trump, this is payback. you did this to president barack obama. we can call it reprehensible, the birther thing was reprehensible and to have a leading member of congress does
it and washington on edge, questions about can they get along on anything and the world also on edge and, again, because of this interview that donald trump give to the "wall street journal." talking about china. everything is under negotiation, including one china. the one-china policy is that we recognize taiwan officially as part of china, even though that's a small democracy, even though we have security wink-nod agreements, and donald trump said this is non-negotiable. he's inconsistent on a lot of issues. on this one it's very clear. i'm going to be more confrontational and tougher and put china in what he thinks is his place. >> and the phone call that everyone wondered is that strategic or part of what he believes and it seems like he might be fleshing something like that out now. it's hard to say oh, he's way too friendly with russia and we don't like him being confrontational with china and i also think that foreign powers in an interesting way have
figured out to take him with a grain of salt, even quicker than many people in america have, and the last time he went after china publicly in tweets they were like, yeah, he tweeted. that was sort of the official reaction. i don't know how that escalates from other. >> new the chinese government is firing back and in the confirmation hearing rex tillerson said we'll deny them access to the south china sea islands where they are building military installations and that was ill received, shall we say, in beijing. china is saying wait a minute. trump said he'll have a border tariff, if you're ford or gm and move your manufacturing plant to excoand sell the cars back to united states, mexico said they would respond immediately and will cause a global recession. >> we don't know how trump will react to policy changes from other countries. we know how he responds to perceived slights, he's got twitter and something that chin could do something with our trade policies, mexico on the same front. we don't know. picking the fight over the
one-china policy is particularly interesting to me because this is something a lot of people in the u.s. don't know about or talk about a lot when it comes to china but this is incredibly important to the chinese. to go after taiwan. i would like to hear actually trump kind of flush this out a little bit. why do you china to recognize taiwan? he knees explain. >> and he said to his cabinet desiggees, trump said if you're getting along and somebody is helping us if someone is doing great things, raising the approximate pect that he would quickly waive away the obama sanctions against russia in for meddling in the elections if he's getting along with putin. i had a conversation who said we're not getting this. the game of risk. the game of risk, when you're down to three people, two gang up on one. their calculation in trump land is be friendly, not naively friendly, be friendly to turn against china and deal with the
fallout later. that's what they describe the play as inside and a lot of washington they say there he goes again be nice to putin. >> exactly. >> and this is the first real confrontation between the republican congress and donald trump about the sanctions issued. there is a really aggressive push that happens in the senate, a bibipartisan push to strengthen the senate hand not to lift the sanctions and how does trump deal that if they get a sizable amount of support and a question that can potentially put mitch mcconnell and paul ryan in a spot and what do they do if he doesn't want to sign this legislation? that's going to be a real interesting test. >> also shows the limitations and even dangers of trump's reality and tv form of communication, right? we didn't even address these in the press conference. he hasn't given out a flushed out view from his own mouth and how he sees the world, how he sees these international conflicts so foreign allies are receiving signals and they are
receiving -- and, you know, not so allies are receiving signals and a lot of conflicting signals coming out of capital coming out of different people and speaking for trump coming out of the president-elect himself that makes it very difficult for not only the american public but also the world to kind of have a sense of his view, his macro level view on these issues and that's problematic. >> the part we do know now, as he was in the campaign, a disruptive force on daily or hourly basis. the inauguration of a new president usually means a clean slate but not this time. the congressional investigation of russia's middling into the investigation is spreading to explore whether key trump contacts had dealings with russia. >> this also gives the internet one last time to talk about our bromance.
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welcome back. a big friday about face by a key senate republican adds another unpredictable wrinkle to the early days of the trump administration and yet another dynamic to the president-elect's public feuding with american spy agencies. the senate intelligence committee now says its investigation of russian hacking and other cyber meddling at the presidential election will include whether there were election year contacts between trump emissaries and the kremlin. on thursday the committee chairman richard burr said it would be much more anotherly focused and why the about-face in 24 hours? chairman burr said part of our inquiry will necessarily be focused on what happened and what didn't happen in this case. the committee's ranking democrat
was a bit clearer and not terribly clearer. mark warner of virginia. this issue impacts the foundations of our democratic system. it's that important. this requires a full, deep and bipartisan examination. so did some new information force this change? well, we don't know, but we do know the director of national intelligence and the heads of the fbi and cia were up on capitol hill late this past week for classified briefings so that is the question, and for richard burr to do this he had been president bush toured do this at the beginning. he said no. to be clear to those he might not know who richard burr is, republican of north carolina, a guy very grateful for donald trump's help in the campaign, not john mccain or lindsey graham, one of the people eager to poke him on the russian intel election, why? i know on those thursday and friday briefings, senior intelligence officials same. they discussed the russian hack with all senators. they did discuss this 35-page dossier that includes
unsubstantiated allegations about potential dirt that the russians may have on donald trump. that came up in the discussion as well as two-page summary that was included as part of the briefing that donald trump had about the russian hacking shortly about a week and a half ago, so there was a discussion about that and in that briefing the intelligence committee said this is not the product. trying to distance themselves from it. we don't know if that's what caused senator burr to decide, that along with mark warner to look into this, because the intelligence community is saying it's not. we need to dig a little further into it. but also there's a lot of pressure from folks who are pushing for a select committee to investigate the russian issue, something separate from the intelligence commit, something that would be more prominent and more visible and this is one way to -- to bat that down and say we're going to do it ourselves and we'll look into it ourselves and a lot is going to happen in a classified settling and not a public setting. see if we can learn any of that publicly and definitely a
significant shift. >> what does it do? >> remember during the campaign? you can't elect hillary clinton because shoal be under investigation. if she's wins she will be under investigation. well, he won and now -- not him. let's be very clear. he's not under investigation, but there are been rumors of trump emissaries going back and forth to moscow during the election year. one guy he was asked about he denied knowing who the guy was but on the campaign he cited him as a foreign policy adviser but democrats say a-ha, how big of a deal is this? >> we shall see. part of what's going on here is if you had a different guy than trump, please, go ahead and investigate fully but trump can't stand the sleight which many democrats are using it to undermine him. that's a real thing. >> that's a real thing. >> so republicans in the senate are going let's take care of this and do the sort of job and make like we're doing our job and warner and burr neither are like ideological firebrands so they are sort of a trusted team to maybe get into that. >> to that point good.
if you have these two guys not known as ideological firebrands who conduct a thorough investigation and tell us yes or no, this or that, that would be great and we can put this all behind us maybe. that's the spy novel that never ends, but it happens in the middle. some of the people being called as witnesses and a lot of hearings and questions will be classified are people donald trump has had open warfare with. how does that complicate things? again, this week his nominee for defense secretary and nominee for cia director. we love the u.s. intelligence community and we trust the u.s. intelligence community, think they are wonderful patriots and smart people and accept their guidance. donald trump tweet begun that dossier you mentioned, now turns out phony allegations against me were put together by my political opponents and a failed spy afraid of being sued. totally made up fact by sleazebag political operatives, fake news. russia says nothing exists. again, president-elect i wouldn't cite russia as a source of information but that's okay. probably released by intelligence in quotes, again, this is the operative part. even knowing there is no proof and never will be.
he just keeps essentially credibili credibility, the motivation of the spy agenties. >> what he's probably starting to learn is the intelligence agencies do have a lot of power to leak information. i'm not saying that they were behind leaking the specific information, but we all live in washington. we know how this works. they will have information, not just about what his ties may be to russia but various things that will happen throughout his presidency and the more he fights back against them publicly the mortgage intelligence agencies will fight back trying to get information out to the public. >> the trump administration is like scandal. >> speaks to a larger misunderstanding that you have about government. bureaucracy can fight back. it can leak things and whistleblow and there's a lot of protections for whistleblowers it can slow things down. bureaucrats in the epa can say, fine, do you want to overturn this and we got the exact date by which we're ordered to review it to. that is a day plus "x" -- a year
plus "x" many days and they can slow down his agenda and complicate his agenda in a lot of ways. >> and investigate. >> an inspector general investigation into fbi director james comey's handling of the clinton e-mail investigation ensures that that story is going to continue through donald trump. >> another thing that has democrats raw. the justice department inspector general will investigate whether comey will violate and how the process went and whether he did or did not go outside of the justice department and they are hearing things in private briefings and why didn't you talk about that in the campaign and why didn't you talk about hillary clinton and i want to come back to the trump deal. james clapper the director of national intelligence issued a statement after a phone call with donald trump. donald trump tweeted. james clapper called me yesterday to discuss the false and figure toishs report that was circulated, made up. clapper's statement said no such thing. clapper's statement said they had a phone conversation saying
he had been briefed about this stuff and specifically said the intelligence community has made no judgment of whether it's true or false. donald trump keeps saying they told me it was false. they did not. >> it's classic trump to inflate and conflate the information that he is getting, and that will continue to be the case. i will say one thing he's right about and what he might be reference when he says operatives. during the primary season this was being shopped by operatives and nobody picked it up because they couldn't get nailed down what was in the actual report so that's part of what he was complaining about and the that got brought in the intelligence community and given to other folks. >> inflating and conflating. hang tight. president obama's farewell. a reflection on his eight years and some advice for the man about to sit in the oval office. feel moisturized without feeling your moisturizer with lubriderm. absorbs in seconds. moisturizes for hours. lubriderm. every body care.
eight years ago this week we were preparing for the inauguration of the nation's first african-american, eight years, two terms, so let's go through a little bit of barack obama by the numbers. when president obama took office january twoon the unemployment rate shy of 8%, it actually went up past 10%. the president is very proud of this number, as he leaves office it's below 5%. now 4.7%. this number not so much in the bragging department. the national debt, when president obama took office, 10.6 trillion. as he leaves office, nearly $20 trillion. over the course of eight years, 3,375 speeches, remarks, a lot of talking for any president, shy of 1,300 flights on air norse one. the president gets a nice plane. he'll miss that with you. as he leaves office now, the
president tells democrats don't underestimate the new guy and he's trying to offer the new guy some advice. >> i think everybody has technology. don't underestimate the guy because he's going to be the 45th president of the united states. the one thing i've said to him directly and i would advise my republican friends in congress and supporters around the country is just make sure that as we go forward certain norms, certain institutional traditions don't get eroded because there's a reason they are in place. >> so what is he mean by that? >> i mean, i think that trump obviously wants to come to washington and shake things up and sometimes you get the sense that it's shaking things up for the sake of shanking things up, not necessarily because he disagrees with the way that things are working, and i think what obama is trying to say is that there are certain things
that are in place for a reason. i think that the obama administration has set kind of a model for how presidents can use executive authority and i know that there are some democrats that are worried that trump will use that more broadly. i think frankly to talk about the press there are concerns about him, trump blocking the press, from having access and not for our benefit and for the public's benefit and to have access of information coming out of the west wing so the question with trump when he tries to shake up with washington institutions is what is the reason behind it? if it's just to send the message that's a disrupter or is there an actual reason to do this to make the message better? >> some disruption wouldn't be such a bad thing. >> i think democrats will come to regret president obama's use of executive power now that donald trump is coming into office. you can expect him to expand the use of executive power. obama expanded pretty dramat dramatically who expand it had
from clinton and if you see this happening, trump will as well. paul ryan has said that he and trump have discussed this. they understand there are checks and balances. there will be significantly powerful legislative branch and you will see when they get to the aspects of government and trump's agenda if he sends it in congress and how does he move and what kind of response democrats will have? >> you also have a bit of an unusual dynamic. have you a departing president who is significantly more pop lan than the incoming president who is supposed to be in the honeymoon phase so president obama knows he has power and he's going to use it. it's going to be a political post-presidency, not like george w. bush who kind of retreated to texas. he already said he'll play a big role in this grouping put together by eric holder to deal with redistricting. so i think a lot of democrats are looking to president barack obama to be the leader of their party still, and, you know, while i think the white house is cognizant of the fact that they
want to make room for people in the other party to emerge certainly we won't see president obama stepping away from the spotlight. >> republicans learned the mistake of underestimating donald trump. he wiped the floor with them in the primaries. have democrats now learned that the president seemed to be suggesting there that he said that and leaves you to believe that he thinks some democrats still need some persuasion, that you better take this guy seriously. >> i think for sure people need convincing on that front and, look, for tough, he's incredibly unconventional and much of the general to figure this out. the other thing the president and his post-influence, he does have a political post-presidency and be in the mix, and he is popular, but he's been personally popular as opposed to some of the policies being popular so -- and something he's acknowledged is that the transference has been difficult and that may tend to continue to be a problem after this election. >> on that point. let's listen to more of that interview with "60 minutes" because to that point -- the president tries to make the case here that the product was great.
he just didn't sell it quite right. >> because this is on me. part of the job description is also shaping public opinion, and we were very effective, and i was very effective in shaping public opinion around my campaigns, but there were big stretches while governing where even though we were doing the right thing we weren't able to mobilize public opinion firmly enough behind us to weaken the resolve of the republicans to stop opposing us or to cooperate with us, and there were times during my presidency where i lost the pr battle. >> he calls it losing the pr battle and you can certainly make the case he lost the pr battle on obamacare even though they passed it. it states so controversial and republicans would never help buy into fixing it. republicans say to your point,
they might like, might like the images of your family in the white house and how you conducted yourself in office, they don't like your ideas. who is right? >> the democrats have not acknowledged that they are to fault, blame for the election loss. they are blaming it on what happened in russia, blaming it on the clinton e-mail scandal, they are blaming it -- >> compelling economic message from the democratic candidate from the candidate might have helped. >> not having an economic message but rarely do you see them talking about message -- i mean, talking about their pol y policy. it's about how they deliver the message. they said that -- they have the same comment 2014 when they lost. the mid-terms as well. what does it mean going forward? i think that's a real challenge for the party. they have not yet acknowledged that any of their policies were blamed and how they messaged things going forward. >> i don't think you'll see it as much shift within the party. >> listen to the president and gave a farewell speech in congress even though he'll have
a final press conference. saying good-bye is long but i don't blame him. you're in the white house for eight years. >> it's become safer to retreat into our own bubbles whether in our neighborhoods or on college campuses or places of worship or especially our social media feeds surrounded by people who look like us and share the same political outlook and never challenge our assumptions. increasingly we become so secure in our bubbles that we start accepting only information, whether it's true or not, that fits our opinions. >> there's no question, especially if you listen to or read the before and after part of the speech, trying to send a message to donald trump to respect your critics, have an open mind, don't disparage people on twitter and elsewhere, but that's also a message, the democrats, too, to your point, like if we just believe
ourselves and guess what, the american people tell us thump. >> obama has been guilty of that as well during his presidency. i've sat through many a press conference and many a speech with obama where he goes pretty aggressively at republicans and essentially says i'm right and they are wrong. he hasn't always been the kind of person who looks to pass legislation through bipartisan means. now that has been difficult for him at times, given republican opposition, but this is something both parties are guilty of. i'm not sure that trump is sending any signal that this will change going forward, but some of this will be up to democrats. i think that democrats are -- have the biggest choices ahead of them. republicans have an easier choice. you have a republican president and republican control of congress. democrats have a much bigger decision about whether they are going to even entertain the idea not just voting for trump legislation but simply talking to his administration. >> interesting point, everybody. sit tight. we're going to continue on. next, republicans are about to assume full control of washington and that's a big deal
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stand-in? you see the stand-ins for the obamas and trumps coming down the stairs in a military escort. it's a great time in washington, d.c., a very political time as well but always great to watch the preparations for the ceremonies get under way. we'll see how it plays out on friday. all right. let's come back inside. candidate donald trump promised a wall along the u.s.-mexico border and promised a 1950-style deportation force to round up and kick out undocumented immigrants and it's skeptical of the wall as a means of securing the border and the top republican in congress, well, speaker ryan strikes a very different tone on deportations. >> do you think that i should be deported in many families in my situation? >> no. first of all, i can see that you love your daughter and -- and you're a nice person who has a great future ahead of you, and i hope your future is here. people get confidence in this country that our border is secured, that our laws are being enforced, then i really believe
the country, all people in the country, will be in a much better position to fix these thornier bigger problems, but if you're worried about, you know, some deportation force coming knocking on your door, don't worry about that. >> one way to put this i guess is one of the biggest questions in washington. we're a week away, five days away from president who is on first in the sense, that you know, what's on sieve? speaker paul ryan saying there's no way we'll pass a deportation force, general kelly saying a single barrier like the wall is not the most effective means of defending the territory. do we know the answer or is this part of the trump paradox? >> sometimes people are projecting what they want donald trump to say and do. paul ryan has a much more liberal and more moderate view of immigration policy and even in that town hall from last week paul ryan suggesting that donald trump would not revoke the deferred action, deportation for
people who came the so-called dreamers, people who came here at a young age illegally. >> but we don't know. >> but is he saying that because donald trump has promised him that in private meetings? had the cabinet secretaries up on the hill and they were saying things and i thought democrats did not do a god job and say let me stop you, sir, for a minute? does donald trump tell you, agree with you and that was missing from the confirmation hearings? let's listen to a little bit. some of these cabinet picks went in completely different directions than candidate donald trump and the question is will president trump agree with him? >> if putin likes donald trump i would consider that an asset, not a liability. >> i would consider the principal threats with russia. >> not likely ever to be friends. >> would i approve woeshding, you bet your ass. >> absolutely improper and illegal. >> absolutely not. >> i don't think we should ever come close to crossing a line that is beyond what we as americans would expect to follow
in terms of interrogation techniques. >> so who is -- again, who is on first, and it is commendable as a management style if you bring in a whole lot of people with strong people of stature, people with credibility, who have different views and you have good debates and then the president mix a decision but the big question is on so many of these important issues we're not sure. is he going to stick to his campaign view or is he evolving because of the team he's in? >> i for one like the folks there willing to push back and many of them not exactly shrinking violets like mattis and rex tillerson. >> democrats in congress are grateful. they are like oh, my god, we're so afraid of trump. this is great. again, we'll see what happens but i think the president-elect deserves some credit for bringing in people of stature. >> it might be an issue -- by -- issue thing and what he's been consistent on, trade being one of those things, china and his sort of sanguine view of russia being the three things. immigration a couple years ago saying more liberal and moderate
things than republicans in congress so that one i'm not sure where he'll end up and on that issue in particular people on a gut level trust him to do the security and it becomes less about what that policy looks like. i may be wrong about that and it's going to be issue by issue which means he's dedicated to being in the mix on. >> underscores the politics and donald trump is not walking in the door with the huge mandate. he's extremely unpopular for president-elect in a honeymoon phase and he lost the popular vote and you do get the sense from telling to voters talking to him and they want to shake up the system where they really, real, really didn't like hillary clinton, and i think that's a political dynamic that people, republicans on the hill, particularly in the senate, where they have to run statewide understand, and that's part of what's being reflected here, that some of these -- the specific of these policies are not where the country is. >> one thing that we talked about a little bit earlier is the idea of multiple power centers in donald trump's orbit, and you cannot underestimate the power centers in the white house, and when you talk to some of these people who have worked for donald trump on the campaign
for a long time, they believe -- they don't buy literally versus however you want to describe, how people take his opinions. they believe that he has to follow through on some of these big promises, on immigration. they believe there needs to be an actual physical wall and that if he does something short of that, it will be a failed promise. republicans on hill look at this a little differently saying he wants to claim victories and he'll be willing to sign whatever they pass, but this conflict between republicans and maybe some of the more temperamentally moderate people in his cabinet with some of these political advisers in the west wing will be one of the most fascinating pivot point. >> and we're days away from this and a lot of people in washington are confused and is rex tillerson speaking for donald trump or rex tillerson. general matis or the new trump administration and he says i'll tell you eventually. >> that all gets straightened out. we want them to be themselves and i told them. be yourselves and say what you want to say. don't worry about me, and i'm
going to do the right thing, whatever it is, i may be right and they may be right, but i say be yourselves. let them do it. i could have said do this, say that. i don't want that. i want them all to be themselves. >> steve harvey found that a little funny. just love the idea. again, this is his style. get used to it. i may be right and they may be right and putin may be a good guy or may be a bad guy. >> and the problem is they will send conflighting messages out of the administration and what is the policy of the united states and what do republicans in congress take from these conflicting messages? that's a real recipe for disarray? >> not just republicans but the world. >> during a transition. you can kind of get away with it though people are on this town and once you're president a little more clarity. why there may be a lot of empty white house desks when donald trump moves in on friday.
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welcome back. we surround our table surrounded by pundits and get you out ahead of the big political news to come. julie pace? >> trump kept a lean team on his campaign and something his operation real el prided itself on, compared to the big hillary clinton staff, but there are some people in his transition team and current government officials who worry that he's applying that same standard to his white house. the big-name jobs are obviously filled, but at the national security council and some of the other white house agencies people are expecting a lot of empty desks when he moves in on friday. again, this isn't something that the public will always see, but these behind-the-scenes jobs at the white house are really
crucial to keeping operations running, especially in crisis moments. >> watch the personnel front. >> manu? >> john, senate republicans are prepared to do whatever it takes to confirm donald trump's supreme court nominee, including invoking the nuclear option which moans, of course, changing the senate rules to make it 51 votes to overcome a filibuster rather than the 60 votes. democrats when they changed the rules n 2013 they left in place the rule for flustering supreme court nominees, and at the time republicans criticized him relentlessly hand now that that's happened, republicans say it could happen once again. i talked to senate republican leaders including senator john cornin', first they will try to pick off moderate dems and if they don't divide to vote wait for the nuclear option to be a possibility so watch for that fight to really shape up because they will do whatever it takes to get donald trump his nominee. >> more evidence we're off to a
kumbaya start here. >> lisa? >> on the campaign trail donald trump wrought brought out as goldman sachs as a weapon use against ted cruz and hillary clinton and edward snowden and now he's turning to the bank for advice. in the past since he's come into -- to become the president-elect he's tapped six advisers from the bank. his aides say that there's no hypocrisy here, that it's different working for the bank and the actual bank are different things. we'll have to see if voters in congress agree. former goldman sachs partner mnuchin will be getting his confirmation hearing. >> drank the swamp comes to mind. >> mary katherine? >> i heard from two people in new york yesterday that they were polled about mayoral issues in new york city and that one of the questions was a head-to-head with de blasio and hillary clinton. public polling company, not clinton allies or some secret push, but hillary clinton,
should she want to do that should have some data in the near future getting excited. >> republicans are watching with considerable curiosity as the trump team sets up a unique political operation. trump has made his choice to lead the republican national committee and trump loyalists are setting up a new superpac to support his agenda. nothing unusual there. that's the way things work but the president-elect also announced a presidential campaign committee this week based at trump tower in new york led by trump campaign operative michael glassner. it's started to get started on a re-election campaign before the inauguration so that raised questions in the republican establishment? ? is it a please to keep people who worked on the trump campaign but aren't welcome in washington? too soon to answer the questions but just another reminder that everything that this president-elect does is at least had a little different. thanks for sharing your sunday.