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hi there. i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching cnn. thank you for joining me on this martin luther king jr. day as the nation honors the civil rights leader. his son, martin luther king iii just met with president-elect donald trump. pictures inside the lobby there at the trump tower. mr. trump going toe to toe with another icon in his own rights, congressman john lewis of georgia. he marched with martin luther king in the '60s. spoke of that march in
washington as they both fought for equal rights for african-americans. the president-elect attacked lewis saying he was, quote, unquote, all tack and no action. this after the georgia congressman said that trump's presidency was not legitimate, and that the russians helped trump win. here is martin luther king iii just moments ago from trump tower. >> let me briefly not just reiterate but state that we did have a very constructive meeting. the seminole right of the modern civil rights movement was the right to vote. my father fought so diligently for it. certainly congressman john lewis and many others, jose williams, fought for it as well. it is very clear that the system is not working at its maximum. and through an op ed that you may have seen, we provided at least a solution to begin to address a broken voting system. that was the dialogue, most of the dialogue that we talked
about constructively. we believe we provided a solution that at least will give everyone an id. >> do you know if congressman lewis still has the scars from the marks on selma. were you offended by the president-elect's tweet that described lewis as all talk and no action. >> first of all i think that in the heat of emotion a lot of things get said on both sides. and i think that at some point i am, as john lewis and many others are, a bridge builder. the goal is to bring america together, and americans. we are a great nation but we must become a greater nation. and what my father represented, my mother represented through her life, what i hope that i'm trying to do is always bring people together. >> do you know -- >> sir, many african-americans are very concerned about a trump presidency. a woman came in here last week and told me, he's going to have black people up against the wall both literally and figuratively.
did he allay your concerns that he will be a president for all people, black and white? >> well certainly he said that, that he is going to represent americans. he said that over and over again. and i think that we will continue to evaluate that. i think that the nation supports -- i believe that that's his intent. but i think also we have to consistently engage with pressure, public pressure. it doesn't happen automatically. my father and his team understood that, did that. and i think that americans are prepared to do that. >> sir, if i may follow-up, isn't there something that just cuts the your core when you hear the president-elect refer to john lewis as all zpauk no action? i mean nothing could be further from the truth, isn't that right? john lewis is not all talk and no action. >> no. absolutely i would say john lewis has demonstrated that he's action. as i said, thing get said on both sides in the heat of emotion. and at some point this nation, we've got to move forward. we can't stay on. i mean people are literally
probably dying. we need to talk about how do we feed people, clothe people, how do we create the best education system. that's what we need to be focused on. >> that last voice you heard asking the question, that is mr. jim acosta now outside of trump tower. jim we'll talk about what dr. king's son said said in a moment. can you give us a context for the meeting? who called whom? what was discussed. >> that is a good question. we don't have all the details in terms of who called who. >> okay. >> but we do know this follows some plans for donald trump to go down to washington today. he was set to go down to washington today according to his counsellor, incoming coun l counsellor kellyanne conway. then that was scrapped and then we learned that martin luther king iii was meeting with the president-elect. donald trump did emerge from the
elevator with martin luther king iii for a few moments. then he went back up in the elevator, went upstairs in trump tower and did not answer any questions. then for a few moments, martin luther king iii as well as one of trump's aids started walking away. we started shouting down the corridor asking mr. king to come back and talk to us. which he did do. that's you heard him make those remarks saying he does not agree with the president-elect's tweet that john lewis is all talk and no action. he said he has demonstrated he is action. he said things are said in the heat of the moment. you get the sense listening to martin luther king iii there brooke that he would like to see this country come together. there was a reporter who asked can donald trump be a president for all americans? he said that is his intend. that's his intent. i asked do you think that's how it's going to be? >> he did not really answer that question. yes, martin luther king iii came
up to talk about poverty programs saying that is what his father, the slain civil rights figure would be talking about today, advocating for today. they did discuss that during this meeting. in terms of martin luther king iii believes donald trump will be a president for all americans. i thought it was interesting he did not definitively answer that question and said it's up to him and other civil rights leaders to keep donald trump accountable on that score. >> all right. jim. thank you so much, hearing words like i'm a bridge builder, i need to build bridges there from dr. king's son today vice president elect mike pence defended the president-elect while at the same time paying deference to kongman john lewis's role in american history. >> you will see president-elect trump take the oath of office, speak to the nation in his inaugural address surrounded by four of the five living presidents. it is a testament to the world of the vibrantsy of our democracy.
and for someone of john lewis's stature to lend credibility to the baseless assertions of those who question the legitimacy of this election is deeply disappointing. i hope he reconsiders it. >> with we now, marc morial, the president and ceo of the national urban league. nice to always have you on. thanks for swinging by. >> happy martin luther king day. >> thank you. same to you. >> uh-huh. >> first beginning with congressman lewis. yes, he is this civil rights icon, but he is also a democratic politician, and he called the presidenta illegitimate president-elect, illegitimate with a week to go before us inaugurated. congressman lewis started it. he knows what he's doing. do you think that he was looking to start something? >> i think that people have gotten hung up on terminology and on the use of a word and have forgotten the essence of the discussion. >> what's the word? >> the word legitimate. the essence of the discussion is the role of russia in the recent
presidential campaign. and the need to have a full, complete investigation and airing of the facts so we can determine once and for all the role of russia and whether anyone here in the united states was involved in aiding and abetting, spying and espionage. i think and would encourage the president-elect to embrace a select committee a bipartisan commission or something that would bring all of this to light. because all of this back and forth has as its root the russian involvement in the election. >> that was what they talked about on meet the press. but democrats would say it wasn't congressman lewis who started it, it was president-elect trump who started it with the birther conspiracy. do you think that was involved here? >> it was disappointing to see a
movement to discredit barack obama after he became president of the united states. and donald trump associated himself and became one of the spokes persons and leaders of that. this may be a continuum -- >> do you think it is a piece of it for congressman lewis. >> i don't know. i take congressman lewis really at his word that the concern over russian involvement is what is driving this. those of us who focus on and work on voting rights want the democracy to be clean, to be pure, to be open, to be transparent. and if foreign nations are now involved in our elections frks foreign leaders are now involved in our elections, whether they impact it or not, it's espionage,is' spying, it's inappropriate, it's illegal. >> no. and finally at the news conference trump acknowledged it. but you talked to a lot of people and he didn't go far enough. we are waiting to see if he puts mightier words behind that.
when you look bigger picture, black community and i was sitting here watching on friday, you had steve harvey, talk show host comedian steve harvey role through trump tower. he said he was invited by the boom administration and the trump transition team to go in there. he says he is passionate about helping improve urban blight in inner cities in chicago and detroit. since he has gone on there, if you jump on social media he has been eviscerated by a lot of african-americans in the country. he addressed it on the radio. here he was. >> i have an obligation to take a seat at the table when invited. you know, change can only happen when we sit at the table. if we sit at the table, then we can have a say-so on to what is to be eaten on the menu. on a personal note arc lot of you all hurt me. you really did. i didn't expect the backlash to
be so vicious. if i'm going to keep getting stabbed at, then at least while you are stabbing me you should understand my intent for even taking the meeting in the first place. it ain't about me and my personal gains. it's only that i care about the inner cities. >> so here's what's important, brooke. >> yeah. >> there are a lot of raw feelings. a lot of emotion. people who want -- want to be part of public resistance, and there is going to have to be public resistance. but i think sitting at the table and having dialogue -- >> that's what he wanted? >> that's what he said. >> to the extent that that conversation was about young black men, unemployment and economic opportunity, it was certainly a good conversation. but i think now i would encourage the president-elect to have conversations with mayors, with leaders of organizations who work on solutions, to
meaningfully engage. >> what about you, president-elect donald trump calls you up, mark, says i want you to have a seat at the table? >> if it's a real seat -- i'm not interested in a photoon. >> it's a legit seat, part of a conversation. >> i will always take a seat at the table. and i will be forceful and i will be forthright. >> and when you get slammed like steve harvey was? >> i've been slammed many, many times. >> russia, russia. >> you have to be strong enough. you have to take it. but it's important to understand that so much of this is that people still have raw feelings about this election. it's not going to easily go away. >> but it's the gut punch, mark, that you mentioned a second ago, i think, from years of feeling punched by the about to be the man who about to be president, right. and then you factor in -- >> it's the conversation during the campaign. all the rhetoric that weapon on during the campaign combined together. >> he is about to be president in four days. it is a conversation we need to have. a lot of people reached out to me and my colleagues.
black entertainers and whatever, if you jump on d.l. huguley's instagram, he is saying if you didn't accept my president why should i accept you? >> i understand the way they feel. and i think their feelings are rna real and genuine. when the president is seat, we have got to work to save the nation. we have got to work to advance our cause. so we are going to be part of both the resistance -- >> what does trump need to do? what does mr. trump need to do? >>ic in his proposals, in his early proposals he needs to make a commitment to the enforcement of civil rights. i think it would be powerful if he made a commitment to a new voting rights bill. if in his plan to rebuild america's infrom structure, if there were significant components in there which included opportunities for people in urban opportuniticomm
opportunities for business owned by people of color. if those are what are advanced then there is an opportunity to work together. if they are not advanced, we are going fight to get it included. if it isn't included, we can't support it. >> mark mario, thank you. >> thank you brooke. >> appreciate it. coming up here on cnn we have breaking news tonight involving the pulse nightclub shooting down in orlando from last summer. the wife 6 that attacker has just been arrested in california. we have details on that coming up. also ahead, president-elect trump ramping up his feud with outgoing cia chief john brennan suggesting brennan might have been responsible for leaking classified information about him. and all of this as trump is asked who do you trust more in this interview, germany's chancellor, angela merkel or russia's president vladimir putin. his surprising answer next here on cnn. fect car,
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here because the outgoing cia chief john brennan told fox news mr. trump should trust his agency when it comes to matters as we were discussing like russia and that trump's words can affect national security. he also didn't care for the president-elect comparing the intelligence agencies nazi germany. >> what i do find outrageous is equating an intelligence community with nazi germany. i do take great umbrage at that. and there is no basis for mr. trump to point fingers at the intelligence community for leaking information that was already available publicly. >> the president-elect firing back suggesting that director brennan may have been behind the leak of the unsubstantiated doesier about him. tweeted, quote, unquote, not good. was this the leaker of fake news? the president-elect is also ruffling feathers on the global stage, hitting nato once again. trump called it objects lead,
his word, in this incredibly revealing interview with german newspaper billed. he was also asked who he trusts more, russian president vladimir putin or german chancellor angela merkel, a long time u.s. ally. >> who do you trust more if you talk to them, angela merkel or vladimir putin? >> well i start off trusting both. but lets he see how long that lasts. may not last long at all. >> i want to bring in cnn international correspond end matthew chance who is in moscow for us. matthew, as part this mega interview over the weekend mr. trump also indicated he could lift sanctions against russia. tell me more of what he said in that interview. >> it was built and the times of london as well, did it jointly. >> right. >> it was absolutely astonishing tour deforce by donald trump. he spoke about all sorts of very contention husband is issues.
from a russian perspective -- i was watching it being based in moss could. he talked about nato, the western military alliance being objects lead, which i think is music to the kremlin's ears. this is what they've been saying for decades, since the end of the cold war, that nato is no longer a relevant military alliance that it's expansionist, confrontational and no longer refltd to the russia and the united states and russia and the west. it's what the kremlin says all the time. and donald trump is going to be the president of the united states in the next few days is saying exactly that. he also talked about the idea of lifting sanctions. he said sanctions, which remember wa were imposed on russia because of its annexation of crimea in 2014, they could be lifted if there is a nuclear deal with the united states. so, you know, i get the impression that the russians don't know really what to make of this. they are saying we are going to wait until donald trump actually
becomes the president before we evaluate these remarks. but behind the scenes they are quietly confident things are going to get better. >> that wasn't it. there was so much else in that interview. matthew chance thank you so much in russia. david chall on, and also mark mart hurtling. gentlemen, so good to have you both on. david chall on, i want to go back to a point i made a second ago with the outgoing cia chief on fox yesterday and then the tweet response from mr. trump. you know, implying that brennan to be the leaker of this unverified bos doesier. i mean this kind of allegation, unprecedented, yes? >> i think that word is going to get a lot of exercise throughout this trump presidency. >> becoming cliche. >> the unprecedented. not cliche. it's true.
he does a lot of unprecedented things. we are going to need to get used to that i guess to some degree. but brooke you are right. there is zero evidence. donald trump has not provided a shred of evidence that john brennan is responsible for this leak. and the notion of the incoming president of the united states, four days away from naugs rags. who spent the better part of this transition period basically at war with the intelligence community now putting out there this totally unsubstantiated charge that john brennan may be responsible for the leak -- i don't see how that is going to begin to heal what is clearly a fractured relationship between the intelligence community. >> yeah. then you have, though, general hurtling, let me pose this to you, bob woodward, you know the veteran journalist talking also on fox saying trump has ever reason to be upset at the release. dossier, he said quote i've lived in this world 45 years where you get things and people make allegations. this is a garbage document.
it never should have been presented as part of an intelligence briefings and when people make mistakes they should apologize. does he have a point general? >> i'm not sure he understands the complete reason that it was put in as part of the doesier. i think it was just to inform. it doesn't mean it's hard fast intelligence. 'been explained over and over again this was just to let the principals know that this document was out there and would probably be released. there was no one saying that this information is true, that this is 100% accurate. it was just, the press has that. i have got to tell you brooke, my role when he was a commander, i would have loved to have people keep coming up to me and telling me of rumors that were swirling that were about to come true because then you can prepare for it a little bit. >> get ahead of it. >> yeah. that's the key issue. >> general, let me stay with you on angela merkel and germany. key western ally and western alliance. not only is donald trump willing
to say he trusts our friend more than our foe but he also said this about angela merkel. >> i had great respect for her. i felt she was a great, great leader. i think she made one catastrophic mistake. and that was taking all of these illegals -- you know, taking all of the people from whatever they come from, and nobody really knows where they come from. >> so there's that. and now we have this response from john kerry, secretary of state john kerry when he talked to christiane amanpour. >> well, i thought, frankly, it was inappropriate for a president-elect of the united states to be stepping in to the politics of other countries in a quite direct manner. and he'llv to speak to that. as of friday, you know, he's responsible for that relationship. >> inappropriate, he says. general hurtling, how much of a threat does that sort of language from trump pose, you
know, not only i think on the relationship between u.s. and our friends over in germany but also her standing for re-election and public perception? >> you are talking about attempting to influence other people's election. i certain think some of those things may influence the election in germany which is up coming as well as other places. now, what i would say, too, brooke, as a guy who had to deal with other governments, for four key rules you play by when you are engaging not as a diplomat, but even as a soldier. when you are engaging with other governments. first of all you have to use your intelligence community. you have to find out what's going on. secondly you have to understand that words are important. you must be precise. because the context -- and that's the third thing, the context in which words are taken can be skewed sometimes based on the culture of the government you are talking about. and then finally the last thing i'd say is strategy is hard. and you better get some input from other people before you start making pronouncements because it affects things not only the diplomatic
relationships but businesses, the economy, the diplomacy and the intelligence flow. so these are some of the things that are increasingly concerning about about some of the things that mr. trump is saying. >> one more quickly. we talked about sanctions on russia and germany is middle east peace, david challion, we have heard this before but trump reiterated it in this joint interview that his son-in-law who will have a post in the west wing, he is thinking jared kushner could lead the middle east peace effort. what experience does he have? >> well, obviously, he doesn't have experience in negotiating middle east peace or those kinds of relationships. governmental relationships like that. but jared kushner also had no experience in running presidential campaigns and he helped get his father-in-law elected president. it's not that he can't learn. but, no, he certainly doesn't come with experience to that particular assignment that
donald trump may have in store for him. i will say, brooke, though, to be fair here, you know, president obama also when he was overseas, he didn't come right out and endorse angela merkel but he got pretty close to really trying to bucker up as the german elections were approaching in his last visit there. he also weighed in on brexit. american leaders have had their different ways of drying to delve in without looking like they are fully delving in. >> maybe this is the trump example. i got you, thank you gentlemen. next here, the wife of that orlando nightclub shooter was arrested this morning in san francisco. why police are now giving her a hard look. that is next. also ahead, a senior job position is suddenly available in the trump administration. a trump appointee now turning down the role after a cnn investigation. we have those details coming up. when a cold calls...
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morning in san francisco on federal charges of aiding and abetting his husband's attempted material support the isis and obstruction of justice. authorities we spoke with say she acted of her own free will and actively did something to obstruct the investigation. her attorney claims she was coerced through his her's abusive behavior. another source says she was complicit and knew her must was going to do something bad. we previously reported she went with him to scout potential target and went with him to buy guns as well. though it was unclear how much she knew about her husband's intentions. in fact she claimed to investigators see didn't know about her husband's specific plans. investigators also learned mateen went on a spending spree and bought his wife a very expensive piece of jewelry before the shooting. the news of her arrest was first reported by the "new york times." we do expect her initial court appearance to be in california tomorrow. we have reached out to her
attorneys and have not received a response back. brooke? >> all right, pam, thank you so much. coming up next here, will the white house press corps be forced out of the white house? can they do that? why would they do that? we'll talk to a former white house correspondent and our senior media correspondent for the scoop will. also ahead, michele obama's message on what she wore while in the white house. how her sar forrial choices marked a new approach to dress and powerful messages.
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instances of plagiarism from conservative author and tv personality monica crowley crowley says she will no longer be taking a senior communications role in donald trump's incominged a straying. crowley was appointed to become the senior director of strategic communications at the national security council. just within the last couple of weeks cnn's k dpil uncovered crowley plagiarismed in her book columns in "new york times" and her ph.d. dissertation for columbia university. in a statement to the washingtontimes, crowley said, quote, after much reflexive decided to remain in new york to pursue other opportunity and will not be taking a position in the incoming administration. i greatly appreciate being asked to be part of president-elect trump's team and i i will continue to enthusiastically support him and his agenda for american renewal. while this trump transition team hasn't responded to comment from cnn at the time of the reporting
they stood by crowley wrongly claiming that koz inski's reporting is a politically motivate attack. more on that in a second also, this new report is now raising the possibility that the trump administration could evict the press corps from the white house. sources telles choir that media could be moved from the press room to the executive building next door. a departure of how journalists for decades have been covering the president of the united states. the incoming press secretary sean spicer downplayed the move to cnn saying the goal would be to keep media work space in the white house and that, quote, while no decisions have been made, there is enormous interest in covering donald trump and his agenda to improve the lives of every american. let's talk this over with kelly wallace, cnn editor at large and formerly longtime member of the white house press corps. and brian stelter, the host of reliable source.
this is going to be a great conversation. brian, let me begin with you. i read the esquire piece over the weekend. when you read quotes from unnamed senior officials calling the press the opposition party and get them out of the building, what? >> it's helpful insight into at least some of what trumps aides are thinking. this esquire story seemed to be an art of the deal move. you put a proposal on the deal that's pretty extreme and maybe have a compromise afterwards. by sunday evening jeff mason and sean spicer had a long two hour meeting. they talked through this. they didn't reach a total understanding but they did hear each other out. according the spicer, no decisions have been made. but there are a lot of possibilities. one option is to move the dailey briefings to a different building where there is more room for more journalists. let's play a clip. >> hey. >> hey. >> you got my note.
>> about moving the press room. i did. >> and? >> don't let anyone know that you rote wrote it and don't mention it under any circumstances. >> move the press room? >> you mentioned it again. >> just across the street? we are not getting a swimming pool, sam. >> we are not getting a swimming pool but we can get much needed office space and we can put physical distance between the press and the president, and in a state of the art -- >> by start of the art you mean. >> a room with electricity. >> ct. >> we can't exile the press. >> that was totally like in the '90s. woulder now in 2017. >> yeah. >> you sat in that room for years and years covering clinton and then w. can you imagine not sitting in there? >> no. i'm wondering maybe the trump team has been watching too much west wing on netflix. no. i think i know the american people hate when the press
whines, right. >> yeah. >> but what this is is access is important. you can go into the press room talk to the press secretary. >> right there behind the wall. they are not returning your calls when you go if you sense a mood talk about access, sense who is coming out of the west wing. it's one thing to move the briefings to a larger space to accommodate more reporters. >> what if that's what it is? >> that is potentially okay. but if you are talking about removing office space, no longer having working press on -- in the west wing, that is a completely different story. >> spicer says he is not doing it. the concern is a year or two or three from now this is a slippery slope and no one wants to give any ground because of the potential of a further erosion in the future. >> let me ask you, as we are following up on that news conference and he was parodied over the weekend on "saturday night live" is jim acosta who got shut down wrongfully so, and if i were the press i would have
waited d let him get his question answered. >> over the weekend, sean spicer continued to call for an apology for jim acosta for his attempt to get a question to donald trump. here's a cnn statement that came out defending acosta, definitely not apologizing. cnn said as we've learned many times just because sean spicer said something doesn't make it true. jim acosta has experience in covering both the white house and the president-elect. and the at the same time went on to say being persistent and asking tough questions is his job and he has our full support. we are seeing cnn stands up, stand behind acosta saying this is exactly what we want him doing at press conferences, demanding answers from the president-elect. >> it's something we've talked about, we talked a little behind the scenes. it's hard. the press is in some case probably going to have to work together in ways we may not have worked together before in the
white house. if someone is asking a tough question of the president or someone else is the press going to wait to try and get that question answered or is someone else going to then take the question and say excuse me mr. president i would like to ask you that question that didn't get answers. there may need to be not collusion but more team work as opposed to moving on and going to the next issue. >> i was leaving lunch yesterday, a woman grabbed me, ms. baldwin, your job is more important than it ever has. that's all of us. whoever is in that office, that's all of us. >> trump voters want that also. trump voters want him held accountable to his promises. not just those who didn't vote for him. >> it each administration has new rules regarding the press. bill clinton had all the time in the world to take questions. it was different when the bush
team came into power. >> you have to respect that. >> you do have to respect that we would shout questions at then president bush and the bush team didn't like that felt it was disrespectful felt you should be called on to ask a question. there are differences that the -- >> growing pabs. >> yes, growing pains but ipg i still think you have got to keep asking and asking hard. >> amen. all right we have got to go. thank you very much appreciate it. coming up next, martin luther king iii paying president-elect trump a visit at trump tower this afternoon. what dr. king's son said about donald trump's tweets slamming congressman john lewis. ahead. knows how it feels to seees your numbers go up, despite your best efforts. but what if you could turn things around? what if you could love your numbers?
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first lady, michele obama, known as the closer during both her husband's presidential campaigns, and even this most recent one has become one of the most influential women in person history. aside from her two ivy league degrees, her myriad accolades and her ability to really rally voters, she is also known for her fashion choices. watch what happened when she appeared on "the tonight show" with jay leno. this was back in 2008. >> i want to ask you about your wardrobe. i'm guessing about 60 grand.
60, 70,000 for that outfit? >> actually, this is a j crew ensemble. thank you. >> wow. >> "new york times" says that was the moment an eight year obsession with mrs. obama fashion influence and white house power was recognized in this op ed entitled what mish oel obama wore andity mattered reads in part quote when mrs. obama understood the response to her outfit it set in motion a strategic rethink about the use of clothes that not only helped define her tenure as first lady but also started a conversation that went beyond a label or what she wore. and that is now only reaching its end goes on. clothing played a role unlike any it played before in a presidential administration. the writer behind those words, vanessa friedman, she is a fashion director and feef fashion critic for the "new york times." thank you for swinging by. we should point out that when
jay leno was asking her $60,000, that's the time when sara palin was spending mega bank on her clothes. what was the message in wearing j. crew and labels like that, what was the message she sent? >> the message, which is that the republican party had given ms. palin $150,000 clothing credit. and the outfit that the president of the president was wearing was $400 while she was on tv was so extreme and it suddenly made michele obama look like a woman you could relate to, someone who understood what most women had to deal with when getting dressed in the morning. someone who had attitude and intelligence and a reality check. >> so much more than stripes or polka dots it's what she's saying about what she's choosing to put on her body.
the diversity of michele obama's dress as you pointed out. she wore a number of designers over the past eight years. you say none of that was by accident? >> i think she wore approximately 90% from around the new york park week schedule. plus a whole host of accessible designers from h & m and ann taylor, plus a host of european designers. there is just no way anybody can wear that many different brands without actually thinking about it and planning it. i think what we saw after the jay leno j crew moment was her understanding that everyone was going to be obsessed with what she was wearing, people were going to ask her about it. if you are dealing with that reality you might as well make it work for you. >> then looking ahead as we will be in washington and watching mr. trump put his hand on the bill on friday and i'm thinking whether it's melania trump or ivanka who will be more accessible over the next four years. based on what she wears at home
now, what sort of message should she cent send, what sort of clothes should she be wearing? >> i think there is no question we will see a change in strategy. i think the question is will there be a strategy? that's not clear because melania hasn't been present on the campaign trail, since the election it's going to be hard to think how she is going to think about her role, what agenda if any she is going to want. >> what about avan ka? >> she is another question. she is smart, knows fashion, she has designers, hae has her own brand but how she is going to try to use clothes remains to be seen. >> vanessa thank you very much, with the "new york times." coming up next, dr. king's son, martin luther king iii paying president-elect trump a visit in trump tower. talking to media in the lobby. what he said about mr. trump's tweets. in particular when he was asked about mr. tweet slamming
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>> welcome back, you are watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. this is the start the most important week of donald trump's life, starting in a bit of a cloud of controversy controversy, the president-elect now in a standoff with the head of the cia, the leader of one of america's most critical allies, nato. and also civil rights icon and democratic congressman from gentleman, john lewis. moments ago a major development on that front. the president-elect emerging from a meeting with the son of martin luther king jr., his son, martin luther king iii, weighing in on this latest war of words between mr. trump and congressman lewis, who once marched with dr. king himself. mr. donald trump has attacked congressman lewis saying he