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thanks for watching. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening from washington. thanks for join us. just three days to his inauguration, the cloud of controversy surrounding donald trump thickens. he arrived at national airport for his first inaugural event, a dinner with the washington diplomatic corps. we'll bring you his remarks shortly as the tape comes in. first breaking news on perhaps the final outgoing of the president's administration. president obama granted executive clemency, commuting the sentence of chelsea manning. 3 1/2 years ago a military judge
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sentenced manning, then known as bradley manning, to a record 35 years for providing hundreds of thousands of government documents to wikileaks. details on all of that from our justice correspondent pamela brown. >> reporter: tonight in a shocking move president obama is allowing chelsea manning, the army private convicted of stealing and leaking hundreds of thousands of documents and videos, to be a free woman in may. >> for the president especially the president who's made so much recently about the danger that wikileaks has posed to our national security, to commute private manning's sentence is disappointing. >> reporter: in 2009, then known as bradley manning, the 22-year-old stole hundreds of thousands of classified and sensitive military files as an army intelligence analyst. manning then gave them to the website wikileaks, which published them, causing a mass ive ripple effect in the united states and around the world and putting wikileaks on the map for future leakers such as edward snowden.
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manning's disclosures included videos of usair strikes in baghdad that launched worldwide discussions about their morality. the stolen files also included embarrassing diplomatic cables. manning confided in an online associate about the disclosures who then alerted authorities. prosecutors argued manning was a traitor to the united states, but the defense says manning was a naive whistle-blower who wanted to shed light on human rights violations. manning pleaded guilty and delivered an apology to the court before the sentencing. manning was acquitted of aiding the enemy but found guilty on 20 other counts including violations under the espionage act and sentenced to 35 years in prison. the day after the sentencing, manning announced she wanted to live life as a woman. and a year later a judge granted manning's request for a formal name change from bradley to chelsea. behind bars, manning was maced on suicide watch after trying to kill herls twice in the last year.
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tonight, the white house is defending manning's sense commutation by drawing the distinction between manning's case and edward snowden, who remains in exile. >> chelsea manning is somebody who went through the military, criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing. mr. snowden fled into the arms of an adversary and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy. pamela brown joins us with more. was this really a surprise? has the white house been
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signaling they would do this for a while? >> reporter: it is a surprise. the obama administration has been tough on government leaks. according to "the new york times," the administration prosecuted such cases, nine or ten, more than past presidents combined and chelsea manning is someone who really played a pivotal role in making wikileaks what it is. as we know, the administration has been very outspoken of the role it played in this past election, but the white house, anderson, has been setting the stage this week, signalling that perhaps there could be clemency granted to chelsea manning. we heard josh earnest in the press conference before the announcement was made, laying the groundwork, making the case for this, shaying she pleaded guilty, apologized, and has served time. the white house also saying that julian assange has promised to turn himself in if she was granted clemency played no role in this decision. of course julian assange is founder of wikileaks. >> thanks.
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john king, gloria borger and carl bernstein, jim sciutto joins us, mike rogers, trump supporter jeffrey lord is here with angela rye and matt lewis, now at the daily beast. john, to the point that was just made, this is a big departure for president obama given how tough his administration has been on folks who leak. >> you see condemnation across the spectrum. you see -- chairman rogers probably had more of this than i do. but for the people in the intelligence community and military who feel let down by this, but especially with the debate about russian hacking, when these happened late in the administration, if there's a bunch of them there's always a head scratch every. i remember the last day of bill clinton's administration and pardoning marc rich. everybody was stunned.
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then everybody said it was washington greasing the skids, the lawyers involved, connections to the white house and off we went. you look at the criticism. these people aren't fans of president obama to begin with, john mccain, tom cotton, conservative hawkish senator, but bob menendez saying what kind of signal does this send to whistle-blowers, leakers, and in the middle of the environment we're in right now where we have a senate intelligence committee investigation of the russian hacking. as i said, when these happen at the end of the administration, and a long list, usually one leaves you scratching your head. >> gloria, do you buy the distinction between chelsea manning and snowden? >> they're trying to major league a distinction. i don't buy it. they're saying that -- and i talked to somebody familiar with the white house thinking on this saying this doesn't set a precedent because the distinction between the two of them is so material here that they have nothing in common. in fact, they have something in
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common. they both leaked documents. you know, chelsea manning is the person who gave birth to wikileaks essentially. this is what this white house has been fighting. reading between the lines and talking to people who understand the president's thinking on this, i also think that there is a humanitarian side to this decision. and i'm sure we'll hear more from the president -- >> the fact she's transgendered, attempted suicide tiwice? >> and the fact she's in a male prison. you can ask the question why not transfer her to another prison, but i was told that she is facing an uncertain fate behind bars. i will also say that i asked the question, is there some deal with assange here that perhaps he would return for prosecution. he tweeted that might be a possibility if chelsea manning -- the sentence were commuted.
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and my source said no. >> jim, do you think -- assange did make this promise, i'll return if chelsea manning is leased. >> he released a statement tonight there was no mention of him returning for extradition. he's been holed up in the ecuadorian embassy for four years to avoid extradition to swedish on allegations of sexual assault because his fear, express fear, was if i go there i'll be extradited to the u.s. if he does, fantastic. remains to be seen. i would echo gloria, chelsea manning put wikileaks on the map. it was the diplomatic cables. thousands of private communications that exposed private conversations not just of u.s. diplomats abroad but foreign diplomats abroad confiding in u.s. diplomats and the result of that was them feeling like can i really talk to diplomats if this is going to be exposed. then what became known as the iraq war diaries, thousands of documents if the view in the
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defense, intelligence community put not only u.s. soldiers at risk but u.s. confidential sources abroad at risk as well. >> they say that but then also bob gates i think in 2010 said that it was kind of overwrought, some of the rhetoric being used to describe the damage that was done. i think reuters reported in twenty len there was an interior state department review that showed not as much damage. essentially diplomats were perhaps less likely to share information with the u.s. but they couldn't point to anybody that lost their life. >> exactly that point because a lot of -- lindsey graham saying he stabbed soldiers in the back, this claim, could anyone trace to an american life lost abroad or a confidential source, life lost abroad? no. listen, that's a key point. but did it expose communications, information that might have led people to those people? you can make that judgment. from the view of the folks in the field, when they look at
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this, the soldiers and the intelligence agency who go through great risk, they don't have a question. >> not enough adjectives i can't say enough on cable temperature how i feel about this decision. i assumed the chairman in 2010 and saw what those reports were about what was compromised. they talk about the top line things. even the cables which i thought were bad and we saw physical impact of that with diplomatic relations subsequent to that, but he stole or leased -- stole and then released 250,000 files on iraq. so it wasn't njust the top line items. there were reports how we do things, the names might have not been tis closed who were cooperating with u.s. forces, you read that report and you're from that material and you're an intelligence official for the bad guys you're going to figure out who that person suz wp pe s -- was. we saw that operations had to be
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changed. this is why you don't allow a flooift the united states military to make a decision about what is disclosable and what is not. it's dangerous. i do believe it contributed to the loss of life in iraq. i do believe it caused problems in diplomatic relations around the world. then releasing the files at gitmo only showed what we knew about relationships about people at gitmo. you read it and you're not in the intelligence business, you say that's not interesting. if you're in the counterintelligence business, you say now we know what we have to change. this is dangerous stuff. should have served every day of that 35 years. >> carl? >> first we need to look at the fact it's a commutation, not a pardon. it in no way excuses what manning did nor has she attempted to excuse what she said. gloria said there is a humane aspect to this.
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the obama's policies about leaks have been draconian, an assault on the first amendment and at the same time what she did there is no question about the seriousness of it. but we also have the example of general petraeus which is a line that is drawn that makes all of these cases so difficult to give weight to, equal weight. what petraeus did was awful and he got a slap on the wrist. there is no constancy in any of this. no good answers here. >> talking about constancy, jeffrey lord, interesting because now you have some folks on the republican side praising wikileaks. donald trump has talked a lot about wikileaks during the campaign. chelsea manning put wikileaks on the map. can you be in favor of wikileaks and praising them on one side and then critical of chelsea manning? >> to me the whole business is about leaks in the first place. this particular situation today
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with chelsea manning comes in the middle of this furor with donald trump accusing the intelligence community of leaking. all this does is elevate and say this is how it can work. here is one person, an army private, who gave this stuff to wikileaks. i mean, it could have been "the washington post." it could have been any number of media sources. the point is what this does is highlight donald trump's complaint exactly. >> it also speaks to the new world that we have where if you gave it to "the washington post" they would hopefully presumably vet it, decide what to release and what not to. this speaks to the buzzfeed story. when you just have a data dump -- >> shovel it out. >> and shovel it out. what we have created is a situation where a low level intelligence analyst gets to decide for the good of america to be a whistle-blower. but the ability to discern the damage that could be done.
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>> i take issue with this from a different standpoint, gloria, to get back to your point about the humanitarian side of this. i think this is a really good example for the obama legacy, the obama administration legacy to generate the inhumane treatment people receive in prison, whether female or male in prison. there are some severe challenges. i think the other interesting thing, so on another side i'm criticizing the president on this, there are so many examples of political prisoners, and this is an interesting case, an interesting one for him to kind of harn ez the collective power of millennials that support chelsea manning but others like shakur, and i'm interested to know why that wasn't a consideration. tolly different situation. not about wikileaks or leaking documents but it's one that has everything to do with political prisoners. i'm fascinated to know why -- >> we have to take a quick break, but go ahead. >> first of all, he wasn't even an analyst. he was an i.t. systems guy who
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was an analyst who didn't even understand what he stole. 750,000 not pages but files. so when you just make any excuse for someone saying, well, i believe what in here may or may not be bad, you completely disrupt the entire system of keeping classified information classified. it's classified for a reason in cases like this to keep people safe on the battlefield. the other piece of this, assange in the last couple days shout out a tweet that said if you want to promote more laebs like this, democrats, then you should fight for a pardon for chelsea manning. i don't believe that the two are tied together but it shows you the danger of kind of walking in even to the perception that, hey, it's okay if i do this. some president somewhere is going to see it my way in the future. 35 days, should have done every day. >> more to talk about ahead plus donald trump's remarks also just three days from his
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inauguration, a new poll showing hi approval ratings are falling as dozens of democrats say they plan to skip the inauguration. don buyer of virginia has been candid about why he is boycotting. i'll talk to him. and the president-elect has responded to the news of the boycott. you'll hear that. when it is inauguration day it's also moving day, the obamas moving out, trump moving into the white house. we'll show you how that plays out. picking up for kyle. here you go. you wouldn't put up with part of a pizza. um. something wrong?
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more breaking news. waiting to hear from president-elect trump. adding new fuel to his dust-up with john lewis who he attacked on twitter. lewis is boycotting the inauguration along with dozens of other democratic lawmakers, many spurred by trump's attacks on lewis. he slammed lewis again for mistakenly saying he's never missed an inauguration before when he missed george w. bush's inauguration. >> i think for him to have grandstanded, because i think he just grandstanded, john lewis, then he got caught in a very bad lie. let's see what happens. as far as other people not going, that's okay because we need seats so badly, i hope they
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give us their tickets. >> you're okay with them not going. >> what happens to their ticket? i hope they give them to us. >> donald trump's approval rate r -- ratings are falling. an approval rating of 40%. he is dismissing the ratings as phony and rigged. congressman don buyer of virginia is skipping the inauguration. he's joining us. why skip? if hillary clinton had been elected and republican congressmen were skipping the inauguration, democrats would be up in arms. >> many republican congressmen skipped president obama's first and second inauguration, they just didn't make any statements about it. i respect the transition of power and the prerogatives of the presidency but this
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candidate has done so many things, the constant lying, the interference with russia, the mocking of those with disabilities, the profound disrespect for women, i just couldn't be there to celebrate his inauguration. i'll be there for his state of the union address. that ease his presentation to congress. i'm a member of congress. i don't feel like celebrating at the inauguration. >> the importance of a peaceful transfer of power, honoring that tradition, that's not something -- did that weigh on you at all? >> not really. we've had -- i think we'll hand out over 400 tickets to my constituents who want to come. lots want to attend. i can watch the speech at home. it's not a presidency i will celebration. i'll honor it. we'll work together where we can. i'm finding my stilts in north virginia overwhelmingly support me not going. they're terrified of the
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affordable care act, what will prewitt and others will do to the environmental protection agency. this just isn't a time to celebrate. >> does it help? you say you'll work with the administration where you can. does it help in your ability to work with the administration by not going? opportunity it make it harder to work together? >> i've been as polite and respectful as i can but at the same time pointing out his values at least as expressed through the long campaign and what i hold dear are diametr diametrically opposed. >> would it have been the same for any republican candidate? >> i don't think so. it seems too much donald trump is an outlier even in terms of the republicans i know and like. i have many republican friend in the house who have never acted like he has. dan willbeck talked about the sore winner complex. >> i have to break in here. just apologieapologies. we're getting tape in from president-elect trump's remarks
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not far from here. this is tape. we're taking it straight to air so we'll watch it for the first time together. more when we come back after. [ applause ]. >> thank you, everybody. what is the blapgsing act? i have a couple beauties i could have picked but they were good too. i want to thank mike and karen and all of the people in the room. we have so many friends. 147 diplomats and ambassadors. never been done before. never had that. this place is surrounded
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tonight. i want to thank you for being here. great respect for your country, great respect for our world. we have a man that i wanted right from the beginning, rex tillerson, and these lights are bright, but he's around here somewhere. where's our rex? he goes into a country, takes the oil, goes into another country. tough dealing with these politicians. right? he's going to be so incredible. i'm very proud of him. i'm very proud of everybody, the cabinet members, and we have put together a team i think the likes of which has never been assembled before. i think you'll see that impact. i also want to tell you so many people are talking about what's going on and now they just announced we'll have record crowds coming. i saw the bikers for trump.
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boy, they had a scene, didn't they? i don't know if i'd want to ride one of those, but they to like me. that's like additional security with those guys. they're rough when they get on that harley, usually a harley, made right here in america. and they had a scene today where they had helicopters flying over a highway someplace in this country and they had thousands of those guys coming in. they are great people. and we are getting -- i must have gotten 100% of their votes between the military and the police. a that was the tape we got. not sure why it cut out when it did. congressman beyer, you're a former diplomat, representative of the u.s. to switzerland. what do you make of donald trump's reception by foreign diplomats and the questions that many internationally have about where the u.s. is headed? >> there certainly was nothing objectionable in that tape but the comments over the weekend
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about nato being obsolete, trade, russian sanctions for additional nuclear arms. my experience is almost everybody in europe is terrified of what the trump presidency may mean for the u.s./nato alliance. >> i want to bring in the rest of the panel. and keirsten powers. john, you had a question. >> to your point about you're not going, you're not going because of fundamental policy agreements or character disagreements or as john lewis view him as illegitimate president? >> he's certainly legitimate enough to be sworn if on friday right now but we may find illegitimacy later. for the time being, i honor president obama's notion he should be sworn in. >> he'll have to make a lot of big decisions about your district, a lot of pentagon
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spending, federal workers. you don't think you'll hurt your seat at the table making those decisions? you know his history, somebody gets in his face, he punches back. he's not a hugger. >> we noticed that with john lewis this weekend. i'm not. maybe i should be. i'm finding most of the things he's laid out on the environment, women, national defense, affordable care act, the way we treat federal employees, already my folks are scared to death and up in arms. i think there was a symbolic importance to my members of my constituents to say i'm not coming. >> did you make your decision after john lewis? >> i actually did but not because of john lewis although i think john lewis -- >> jeff? >> i have to ask you, i'm being humorous but it's a serious matter. i wonder when i listen to you and there are four democrats in pennsylvania, my home state that are doing the same as you, i have to ask, are you all on
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donald trump's payroll? this is a guy who was elected president in part because he campaigned against washington elites. i can only tell you the political effect of what you're doing is to reinforce that impression and help him. did you think of that? >> i didn't think of that and i hope that's not true. i think part of what you have to do is be authentic. >> that's the problem. they think you are being authentic. >> i am being authentic. really to john's question, it's not so much about policy. he's a republican. he'll have different policies than i do. it's more character and the character that i don't like or want to celebrate. >> how do you represent your constituent who is voted for him? didn't get 100% in your district and so is constituents who voted for him, don't they believe that their congressmen should be there representing them at this swearing-in? >> if i look at how donald trump did in my district, which is
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about 20%, if there was a poll in my district i think they would overwhelmingly tell me to stay home. >> are you concerned this might be setting a precedent, we could start seeing this at every inauguration, people will find things they find objectionable? because you're making a different argument than some of your colleagues, john lewis says it's ill le mitt jat because of russian interference. you're saying i find him offensive. i think a lot of people say they find other people offensive. is this a good precedent? >> you know, i would have been happy to go to george bush's either one or george herbert walker bush or reagan. the policy difference is easier to get over because we come from different perspectives and represent different constituencies. the character goes much deep deeper into who we are as americans and what we value in terms of women and each other. >> that's what people would have said about bill clinton, right? there were plenty of republican who is said they had serious issues with his character over certain things that happened with women and people still went
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to his inauguration. >> i don't quite know how to answer that. i know for me to be authentic is to express what i have. >> but he is the legitimate president of the united states until proven otherwise. yet i think what's happening here, correct me if i'm wrong, a great number of people have believed he has demonstrated himself to be unfit in some ways to be president and to avoid endorsing what his actions have been by not showing up. that's what people are telling me. but at the same time to recognize the legitimate si of what the electoral college did, the people of the united states did, if there is something to be found out later, that's something else. you want to boycott, which is really what you're talking about i think because you disagree with the man and his policyings and find him abhorrent, come out and say that. but this is not about
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legitimacy. it seems he is the legitimate president. >> congressman, have to go. >> eloquently put. i agree. >> appreciate your time. up next, new reporting on the price tag and the human cost of repealing obamacare. what does ip shurps for everybody mean? ♪ when it comes to heartburn... trust the brand doctors trust. nexium 24hr is the #1 choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. for all day and all night protection... banish the burn... with nexium 24hr. wonly new alka-seltzer plus st want powerful relief. free of artificial dyes and preservatives liquid gels delivers the powerful cold symptom relief you need without the unnecessary additives you don't. loudspeaker: clean up, aisle 4. alka-seltzer plus liquid gels. i need to promote my new busi can make that business cards? business cards, brochures, banners... pens? pens, magnets, luggage tags, bumper stickers. how about foam fingers? like these? now, get 15% off making your company stand out.
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more breaking news outside the world of politics. the search for a man thought to be responsible for the deaths of his ex-girlfriend is over. markeith lloyd is in custody. nick valencia has the latest. >> reporter: it's been more an that week since debra clayton but shot and killed in the orlando area and after that the hunting for her suspected killer, markeith was taken into custody today. the announcement made on the orlando police department twitter profile page. if you factor in he's accused of shooting his pregnant and ex-girlfriend many mid-december, markeith was on the run for more than a month. more than 1,400 tips and hundreds of law enforcement
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officials fanning not just all across florida but across the country, markeith lloyd captured in the same community where he's accused of shooting and killi i debra clayton. if there's a punctuation to this arrest when he was taken into custody he was arrested using the handcuffs of sergeant debra clayton posthumously promoted to lieutenant. i just off the phone with jack williams, a lieutenant of debra clayton, and he says i'm so excited markeith lloyd can't do harm to anyone else. this brings closure not just to myself but to the family. anderson? >> nick valencia, thanks very much. back to the world of politics. we've been talking about all the controversy surrounding president-elect trump and this next item adds to it, confusion and potential conflict with his own party about what to do with the affordable care act. the noncongressional budget office predicting 18 million
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people lose coverage in the fist year alone. premiums could double in a decade. now as gop lawmakers grapple with what to do next the president-elect tells reporters his own plan will cover everybody. the central problem as phil mattingly discovered, mr. trump and congressional republicans may not be on the same page as health care or even in the same zip code. >> reporter: for republicans on capitol hill, president-elect trump's decision to weigh in with his ideas for health care reform not exactly been a positive development. there's the fact that no one seems to have any details about the plan even though he told "the washington post" it's nearly finalized. >> do you believe the president-elect's plan to have universal coverage is something you guys can do? >> we'll have to see what his plan is. >> reporter: senator lamar alexander is the chairman of the senate health committee, a crucial capitol hill player in the effort to replace the affordable care act. yet -- >> have you spoke on the him about his plan? >> i have not. >> reporter: what trump pledged
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his plan would do, namely include insurance for everybody. >> senator, the president-elect saying he wants universal coverage and his health care plan, is that thing you agree with? trump's comments cut to the heart of the health care debate, who and how many will get health care insurance in? top gop officials have been specific in their description. it's about access, not universal coverage. >> yes, we want to bed but in a way to bring down costs, so the idea is to repeal and replace concurrently. >> reporter: the idea everyone would be able to get coverage? >> we want everybody to have access to coverage and make it more affordable. >> reporter: a message trump diverged from in his rashes and could come back to bite republicans in the future. >> if you've seen the president-elect's comments about universal health care, is that doable with your package? >> we can do better than the
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current system and that's the point. >> phil mattingly joins us from capitol hill. the point person in all of this is tom price, his pick to run hh, s. where does he stand on it? >> reporter: he's a long time house guy, a member of congress, very close relationships with congressional leadership. by all accounts he's been holed up preparing for his confirmation hearing where there are expected to be a lot of fireworks tomorrow. when you talk to house lawmakers and some senate lawmakers as well quietly they point to tom price as being one of the crucial components of their repeal plan. he can do a lot unilaterally there, whether dealing with the subsidies, relationships with the insurance companies, trying to ease the burden and frankly rewriting a lot of the rules that dictate the affordable care act. he has a lot of power on his own. at least at this point, anderson, he appears at least to the guys in the house, to be their ally. i think big question is, as you know, where does he come down once he's in that position and when proposals are actually shot
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white house press secretary josh earnest said today when the obamas leave the white house friday they'll be heading to palm springs, california, and seem to be getting a head start. movers moving boxing into a house they'll be leasing in washington. of course the trump family comes in right behind them. it is a practiced choreography. randy kaye has more on what happens in moving day. >> reporter: organized chaos inside the white house on inauguration day. by 10:45 a.m. the obamas likely leave the white house for good, giving the chief usher and his staff six hours to get the mansion ready for the new administration. former white house chief usher gary walters helped coordinate moves of five presidents including reagan, bush 41, clinton, and bush 43.
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>> a choreograph, like a ballet. >> reporter: the chief usher has a swat team of about 90 staffers but every second counts. by the time donald and melania trump return from the inaugural parade, the white house has to feel like home. >> their clothes are in their choz ets, their personal effects are in the bathroom, their favorite foods are in the kitchen, we break the staff down almost minute to minute on their activities. >> reporter: florists, art curators, carpenters pitch in. with only three small elevators in the white house residence getting one president out and the next in, walls need to be painted, carpet changed, paintings hung, books set on shelves. the staff eats at scheduled times so the work never stops. the chief usher usually works closely with the first lady. walters helped hillary clinton choose wallpaper and laura bush
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pick out china. even a dance as well choreographed as this one isn't perfect. in 1993 he lost his voice and had to write directions on a notepad. when bill clinton arrived he welcomed him with a whisper. that same year mrs. clinton's inaugural ball gown disappeared during the move. >> there was a frightful time about 15 minutes until we located the dress. >> reporter: on inauguration day 1989, bush 41's granddaughters surprised the white house staff by showing up 2 1/2 hours early in the middle of the move. this year if all goes smoothly the trumps this never know of the chaos that preceded their arrival at the white house. the chief usher will meet donald trump at the door and offer a simple greeting, welcome, mr. president, to your new home. randy kaye, cnn, washington. >> join meganow is anita mcbride, the chief of staff to first lady laura bush. it's exhausting thinking about that. it really does sound like a
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controlled chaos. >> it is and to think about it, that this particular inauguration, the parade is almost an hour and a half or two hours shorter -- >> means less time for them. >> less time for them. >> amazing that everything from the obamas has to be out and everything from the -- does the trump family send stuff that they -- they already have earmarked what they want in various rooms? >> typically that is what happens is after that first meeting where, you know, we saw mrs. obama greeted mrs. trump, the chief usher would begin to have a conversation with people on mrs. trump's team to start to go through this checklist of things that they will want to move in, thins they want to have in the house, so those kinds of kfgss have been going on. >> their clothes will be hanging -- >> their clothes will be hanging, their inaugural items will be laid out for them. food that they want to have. beds will be made for all of their overnight guests if they're going to have overnight guests. the sheets and towels they have
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preselected will be there. >> but they're not doing the entire white house. they only have sway over certain rooms, the private quarters. >> this is one of the most wonderful lasting legacies of jackie kennedy, the committee for the preservation of the white house. in private residence, the apartment where the family will live, they have jurisdiction over that. >> so they can bring -- >> sure. >> they can bring an interior designer to come in. >> that's right and work with the white house curator, the usher, put up new wallpaper -- >> that's done over time. >> over time. there will be some things preselected by the first family. there's a vast warehouse of white house collection, furniture, rugs, draperies that are part of the collection, artifacts that they may have selected to be ready and moved into the house. >> the other thing i find
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fascinating is the presidential family is responsible for some of the cost, like all the food they eat, they have to pay for. >> responsible for a lot of costs. that was one of the thins as chief of staff to mrs. bush i'd receive the monthly family bill. >> what else? >> you pay for your food and dry cleani cleaning. if you have pets you pay for the veterinarian, the pet's foods, all of those little things -- you would buy toiletries that you buy, personal items. somebody will go do it for you, but you will pay for it. i think that's appropriate. >> fascinating. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up, optimism for the trump presidency. owners from a cheese burger place in detroit say they are hopeful the president-elect will make good on his promises. more on that ahead. moms know their kids need love, encouragement and milk.
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heart. we want to hear from restaurant owners in michigan who are optimistic about president-elect trump's presidency. >> reporter: on detroit's east side, the fresh meat sear's and the real onion glazes in a mouth white housei watering magic. sliders roll off the grill like chevys off an assembly line. but seize-burgers cheeseburgerers is no industry giant. there is just todd -- >> making a dozen burgers. >> reporter: his wife wife jill, two stories and 20 employees. they're opened seven days, every evening still making it a point to have dinner with their chiefs. so far, they've managed to make it work for nine years. what's the treatment? what are you aiming for? what are you hoping for? >> the dream is actually we're almost there i think. we call our own shots and be our own boss. >> reporter: that's the same
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dream of the nation's 28 million small business owners. many of whom voted for donald trump, including todd and jill who, like many i talked to, felt forgotten by washington. >> they just told us what we needed to know or what we needed to do or how we needed to think. they didn't talk to us him they didn't ask us. >> reporter: but both felt a connection to trump. they liked the way he talks, though not always what is he says. most of all, they feel he knows their dreams and struggles better than anyone in washington. >> the people in washington. it's their career. it's not their personal money on the line. it's the government's money when they hire and fire people. it's not their own personal money they've earned. >> reporter: kid's college money here and there. >> right. >> reporter: she hopes trump will rom back regulations and reform obamacare and that's just for starters. >> i would like to see some of these manufacturing jobs come
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back to the metro area. i'd like to see the overtime come back, i'd like to see the extra money come back. >> reporter: you see todd and jill say small bes is linked to big business. if trump makes things better for general motor, gm hires more we'll people and creates that extra money that people spend on things like cheeseburgerers. if you improve people whose personal economies, they come and spend money in a place like this. >> right. >> reporter: do you think that's going to happen? >> i think that's already happened. >> reporter: sales are going up. she has had vice for the president-elect. >> stay off twitter. >> reporter: lastly, ask what if trump doesn't deliver an all these promises. what would you do if this turns out to be lip service and things don't get addressed and definitely we are searching for candidates for the 2020 election? >> right. i voted for him. i didn't marry him. so if he can pull it off, stick
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to his guns, then albeit. >> now, did the small business owners you talked to, did they openly represent support for donald trump before the election? >> reporter: no no they didn't, by any means. in fact, you wondered, would they put a sign in their window. they said, no, they were worried because of the controversy surrounding the campaign because of the divisiveness within the nation. they felt it would drive off business. so they were what you call silent trump supporters. it's also because they live in macomb county, which is traditional democrat territory here in michigan. as it turns out, macomb county actually went for donald trump. i helped swink i swing many i. to donald trump, which helped sw inc. the victory for the nation to donald trump. >> and it certainly did. martin savage, thanks, coming up, our second hour, live from washington. in his last days in office, a big move from president obama, he is commuting the sentence of chelsea manning, serving a
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35-year sentence at an all male army prison. the latest on that next.
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. good evening, thanks, for joining us, the top of the hour, breaking news the reaction of commuting chelsea satisfiage, some called her a whistle proceeder. some called her a trader. whatever you call her the decision to free her in may cliek i likely will be the final decision for the obama administration t. latest, how much was it a surprise? has the white house been signaling they might do this for some time? >> reporter: well the white house has stayed tight lipped as to who gets the clemency grant. today the white house press spokesman in his press conference did know it could be a possibility. he sort of set the stage before the announcement was made between the chelsea manning and the edward snowden case saying