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there are going to be consequences and actions typically create reactions and so you want to be intentional about it. you don't want to do things off the cuff when it comes to an issue this volatile. chris johnson. >> lgbt rights. >> i'm sorry where's chris? >> we've seen a lot of achievements pertaining to hate crimes, marriage quality nationwide and insuring people -- how do you think lgbt rights will rank in terms of your accomplishments and legacy and how confident are you that progress will endure or continue under the president-elect? >> i could not be prouder of the
transformation that's taken place in our society just in the last decade. and, i've said before, i think we made some useful contributions to it, but the primary heros in this stage of -- our growth is a democracy and a society, all the individual activists and sons and daughters and couples who courageously said this is who i am and i'm proud of it. and, that opened people's minds and opened their hearts. and, eventually, laws caught up. but, i don't think any of that would have happened without the activism in some cases loud and
noisy, but in some cases just quiet and very personal. and i think that what we did as an administration was to help to -- the society to move in a better direction, but to do so in a way that didn't create an enormous backlash and was systematic and respectful of the fact that in some cases these issues were controversial. i think the way we handled for example don't ask, don't tell, being methodical about it working with the joint chiefs, making sure we showed this would not have an impact on the effectiveness of the greatest
military on earth. and then to have defense secretary in bob gates and a chairman in mike mullen and joint chiefs who were open to evidence and ultimately worked with me to do the right thing, i am proud of that, but again, none of that would have happened without this incredible transformation that was happening in society out there. you know, when i gave ellen the presidential medal of freedom, i meant what i said. i think somebody that kind and likable projecting into you know living rooms around the country you know that changed attitudes.
and that wasn't easy to do for her. and that's just one small example of what was happening in countless communities all across the country, so i'm proud that certain places we maybe provided a good lock down field to help the movement advance. i don't think it is something that will be reversible because american society has changed, the attitudes of young people in particular have changed. that doesn't mean there aren't going to be some fights that are important, legal issues, issues surrounding transgender persons. there's still going to be some battles that need to take place. but, if you talk to young
people, malia, sasha's generation, even if their republicans, even if their conservative, many of them will tell you i don't understand how you would discriminate against somebody because of sexual orientation. that's just sort of burned into them in pretty powerful ways. april ryan. >> thank you, mr. president. long before today you have been considered a wise president. under your watch people have said that you have expanded the rubber band of inclusion and with the election and the incoming administration people are saying that rubber band has recoiled and ismaybe even broken and i'm taken back to a time on air force one going to alabama when you said your job was to close the gap that remains, and with that, what
gaps still remain when it comes to issues on the table and also what part will you play in fixing those gaps in your new life and lastly, you are the first black president. do you expect this country will see this again? >> well, i'll answer the last question first. i think we're going to see people of merit rise up from every race, faith, corner of this country because that's america's strength. when we have everybody getting a chance and everybody is on the field, we end up being better. i think i've used this analogy before, we killed it in the olympics in brazil. and, michelle and i, we always have the olympic team here. and it's a lot of fun first of
all just because you know any time you're meeting somebody who is the best at anything, it's impressive. and, these mostly very young people are all just so healthy looking and they just beam and exude fitness and health, and so we have a great time talking to them. but they are of all shapes, sizes, colors, you know, the genetic diversity that is on display is remarkable. and, if you look at simone biles and a michael phelps, they're completely different, and it's precisely because of those differences that we have got people here who can excel at any sport. and by the way, more than half of our medals came from women,
and the reason is is because we had the foresight several decades ago with something told title nine to make sure that women got opportunities in sports, which is why our women compete better because they have more opportunities than folks in other countries. so you know, i use that as a metaphor, and if in fact we continue to keep opportunity open to everybody, then yeah, we're going to have a woman president, a latino president, a jewish president, a hindu president. who knows who we're going to have. i suspect we'll have a whole bunch of mixed up presidents at some point that nobody really knows what to call them. and that's fine. now what do i worry about? i obviously spent a lot of time on this, april, at my farewell address on tuesday, so i won't
go through the whole list. i worry about inequality because i think if we are not investing in making sure everybody plays a role in this economy, the economy will not grow as fast and i think it will also lead to further and further separation between us as americans. not just along racial lines, there are a whole bunch of folks who voted for the president-elect because they feel forgotten and disenfranchised, they feel as if they're being looked down on and their kids aren't going to have the same opportunities they did. and you don't want to have an america in which a very small sliver of people are doing really well and everybody else is fighting for scraps. as i said last week. because that's often times when
racial divisions get magnified because people think well, the only way i'm going to get ahead is if i make sure somebody else gets less, somebody that doesn't look like me or worship the sam place i do, that's not a good recipe for our democracy. i worry about, as i said in response to a previous question, making sure that the basic machinery of our democracy works better. we are the only country in the advanced world that makes it harder to vote rather than easier. and that dates back. there's an ugly history to that that we should not be shy about talking about. >> voter rights? >> yes, i'm talking about voting rights. the reason we are the only country among advanced democraci democracies is that it traces
directly back to jim crow and the legacy of slavery and it became sort of acceptable to restrict the franchise. and, that's not who we are. that shouldn't be who we are. that's not when america works best, so i hope that people pay a lot of attention to making sure that everybody has a chance to vote. make it easier, not harder. this whole notion of voting fraud -- this is something that is constantly has been disproved, this is fake news. the notion that there are a whole bunch of people out there who are going out there and not eligible to vote and want to vote. we have the opposite problem. we have a whole bunch of people who are eligible to vote who don't vote and so the idea we put in place the idea of a whole bunch of barriers doesn't work,
and gerrymandering where everybody votes the same way you do so that these aren't competitive races and we get 90% democratic districts and 90% republican districts, i worry about that, too. i think it's important to make sure that our criminal justice system is fair and just but also think it's very important to make sure that it is not politici politicized, that it maintains an integrity that is outside of partisan politics at every level. i think at some point we're going to have to spend -- and this will require some action by the supreme court, we have to re-examine just the flood of endless money that goes into our politics, which i think is very
unhealthy. so there are a whole bunch of things i worry about there. and, as i said in my speech on tuesday, we've got more work to do on race. it is not -- it is simply not true that things have gotten worse. they haven't. things are getting better. and i have more confidence on racial issues in the next generation than i do in our generation or the previous generation. i think kids are smarter about it. they're more tolerant. they are more inclusive by instinct than we are and hopefully my presidency maybe helped that along a little bit. but, you know, we -- when we feel stress, when we feel
pressure, when we're just fed information that encourages some of our worst instincts, we tend to fall back into some of the old racial fears and racial divisions and racial stereo types, and it's very hard for us to break out of those and to listen, and to think about people as people. and to imagine being in that person's shoes. and, by the way, it's no longer a black and whitie issue alone. you got hispanic folks and asian folks, this is not just the same old battles that -- we've got this stew that's bubbling up from people everywhere and we have to make sure that we in our own lives and families and work places do a better job of
treating everybody with basic respect. and understanding that not everybody starts off in the same situation and imagining what would it be like if you were born in an inner city and had no job prospects anywhere within a 20 mile radius or how does it feel being born in some rural county where there's no job opportunities within a 20 mile radius and seeing those two things as connected as opposed to separate, so you know, we've got work to do, but overall i think on this front, the trend lines ultimately i think will be good. cristie parsons. and cristie, you are going to get the last question. cristie -- i've been knowing her
since springfield, illinois. when i was a senate senator, she listened to what i had to say, so the least i can do is give her the last question as president of the united states. >> thank you, mr. president. it has been an honor. >> thank you. >> and i have a personal question for you because i know how much you like us. the first lady put the stakes of the 2016 election in very personal tell mspeech that reso across the country, of lgbt, people of color, and now i wonder how you and the first lady talk to your daughters about the meaning of this election and how you interpret it for yourself and for them?
>> you know, every parent brags on their daughters or their sons. you know if your mom and dad don't brag on you, you know you got problems. but man, my daughters are something. and they just surprise and enchant and impress me more and more every single day as they grow up. and, so these days when we talk, we talk as parent to child but also we learn from them. and, i think it was really interesting to see how malia and
sasha reacted. they were disappointed. they paid attention to what their mom said during the campaign and believed it because it's consistent with what we have tried to teach them in our household and what i've tried to model as a father with their mom and what we've asked them to expect from future boyfriends or spouses. but what we've also tried to teach them is resilience and tried to teach them hope and that the only thing that is the end of the world is the end of the world. and so, you get knocked down, you get up, brush yourself off and you get back to work. and that tended to be their attitude. i think neither of them intend
to pursue a future of politics and in that, too, i think their mother's influence shows. but, both of them have grown up in an environment where i think they could not help but be patriotic to love this country deeply, to see that it's flawed but see that they have responsibilities to fix it. and that they need to be active citizens. and they have to be in a position to talk to their friends. and their teachers and their future co-workers in ways that try to shed some light as opposed to just generate a lot of sound and fury. and i expect that's what they're going to do.
they do not -- they don't mope. and what i really am proud of them -- but what makes me proudest about them is that they also don't get cynical about it. they have not assumed because their side didn't win or because some of the values that they care about don't seem as if they were vindicated that automatically america has somehow rejected them or rejected their values. i don't think they feel that way. i think they have in part through osmosis and through dinner time conversations appreciate the fact that this is a big country and democracy is
messy, it doesn't always work out the way you want or guarantee certain outcomes but if you're engaged and involved there are a lot more good people than bad in this country and there's a core decency to this country that they have got to be a part of lifting that up. and i expect they will be. and in that sense, they are representative of this generation that makes me really optimistic. i've been asked -- i had -- i've had some off the cuff conversations with journalists that have said you seem like you're okay but what are you really thinking? and i said no, what i'm saying is what i really think. i really believe in this country. i believe in the american people. i believe that people are more good than bad.
i believe tragic things happen. i think there's evil in the world but i think at the end of the day, if we work hard, and if we're true to those things in us that feel true and feel right, that the world gets a little better each time. that's what this presidency has tried to be about. and i see that in the young people i've worked with. i couldn't be prouder of them. and so, this is not just a matter no drama obama, this is what i really believe. it is true that behind closed doors i curse more than i do publicly, and sometimes i get mad and frustrated like everybody else does, but at my core, i think we're going to be okay, we just have to fight for it, work for it and not take it for granted and i know that you will help us do that. thank you very much, press
corp., good luck. president barack obama, his final press conference as president of the iteunited stat taking questions first from the president of the white house correspondence association then from fox news, other organizations were represented, uni visivisio univision, lgbt publication clearly making a statement, all kind of media out there. let's talk about this, first of all, david axelrod let me start with you, he clearly was talking to the press, talking to the country but i think also sending signals to his successor. >> no question, right from his opening statements noting that the media that it's important to have them right there in the building to hold them
accountable but the statement he was talking about it in the context i think of the middle east, but he said that it is the prerogative of a new president to change policies, but better makes sure he thinks it through because they have big ramifications, he said actions we take have enormous actions and we're the biggest kid on the block and the world reacts to what we do. i think that was an important statement. also, he made a comment about relying on one's staff and making sure those people around you will be honest with you, will give you the best counsel and urging the next president to have a willingness to listen to that kind of comment. so, i think throughout this press conference, he was trying to lay down some principals that he hopes might infect the next white house. >> and he said he hasn't been
how convincing he has been with the president-elect trump. >> so he did it again. in other words i think he gave us pretty much a road map of things he has been say to the president-elect trump. and most notably to me was talking about how there's a difference between normal politics and people agreeing and disagreeing with certain issue sets and as he put it at moments where our core values are at stake as a country and then he really laid out step by step i believe the issues upon which you're going to hear him talk about in the future if he believes there's a need for him to do so. he talked about systematic discrimination, in the back of my mind was the muslim band. obstacles to voting, i believe
it is, reigning back the press, and obviously talking about dreamers, so i think he's made it very clear today what issues he tends to get involved with and also you know told the incoming president, be very careful and keep your team -- make sure that you have the best people around you as david is saying because he talked very eloquently i thought about finding yourself isolated and only hearing from people with whom you agree is not a good thing. >> senator santorum? >> i agree with david and flogla that a couple of his comments were very good and donald trump has shown he's not always listening and i think it is a good thing to surround yourself with good people. he's got folks from all different parts of the
republican party around him and i think he will eventually ov over time start listening to them. this is a painful thing for conservatives to watch. it really because. just listening to his lean outof all these things that he's going to continue to go out and speak on, number one presidents don't generally do that, they leave and go away and allow things to function without them. but i think you're right gloria, i think he's made the case that he's going to stick around and i don't think that's helpful. i don't think if you look at the fact that this president signed less bills into law in modern history in less terms than carter and bush, this is not been a guy helpful in washington and i don't think his press conference did anything to do that. he continued to take a very hard
left progressive approach, it was painful because i found very little other than the platitudes that we can all agree with very painful to see this president sort of stick with the program that could never get passed up here in washington. >> i just find it odd to hear a trump supporter make the case for normalcy. i think we have the most abnormal political situation we have had and i think in large part because of the conduct of president-elect trump as a candidate and now as a president-elect and now as a president and i think it was very important for president obama to lay out what is now becoming an anti-trump resistance in the country where he can be counted to speak up and not to speak up. he said in the normal give and take, about taxes about the environment, let that go on, that's good, but there are some key issues that are key to the
country and on those issues you will not fight alone. on issues about core discrimination of people based on their faith, mistreating these young dreamers, decent crack down on and frankly what you want a former president to do is to be there on the big issues and big controversies because that's the moral statue and i think should be heard from with the 60% of support. >> he did lay the frame work of i'm going to be quiet, president trump is going to do things differently from the way i did it but he talked about systematic discrimination, obstacles to right to vote, dissent of the press and children who are in the country illegally, dreamers, deporting
them, what did you think of him laying that out. >> i think attacking more people of faith, to buy abortions, to me, that's unbelievable that the president would even use that as a marker. this president has been anti-faith, and has tried to drive a secularism into this country, and so i hope he speaks out but i hope he speaks out differently than what he actually did as president. number one on the issue of voting there are legitimate concerns about making sure that everybody has an opportunity to vote, but i think what we are seeing here is the continuing division that somehow or another requiring an identification that if you want cough medicine you have to get it on an airplane you have to get it, but if you want to vote in deciding the leaders of our country you don't have to prove you are who you are. >> but that's an easy -- i think
your party at its best is color blindtokracy tends to turn a blind eye, what courts are saying a deliberate attempts to disenfranchise people, but saying the only way you can justify some of these bills is because you're deliberately trying to disinclude people. you have north carolina they actually went in court and the court said the combination of all these things together is just an attempt to exclude and i think if your party spoke out against that more then i think we would have a better conversation. i don't think reducing it just always to voting i.d. is helpful because that's not all of what's been going on. >> the sisters of the poor
and caring, i think his policies are wrong and that's why i find it painful, but i think the reason that he is doing maybe as well as he is is because of the stylistic differences between the man who is going to be inaugurated in a couple of days and the way he is combative and obama he's got brass nuk -- knuckles but velvet gloves over it. let's go to michelle. at least 49 or 50 democratic members of the house are boycotting the inaugural on friday and his response was he's not getting in the middle of that, he's going to be there. >> reporter: yeah, this was really his chance to say something about this. the white house has been asked about it. we heard josh earnest the press secretary yesterday say he didn't feel that traction harmed the transition or contributed to
divisions in america. that's been the white houses official take on democrats boycotting but it was the president's chance to either criticize those democrats a little bit. nobody expected him to speak out against them or to justify what they were doing which i think was probably the more likely that he would weigh in but he decided to stay completely out of it so that tells you that for this event, his last press conference he didn't want to be overly critical and weigh into controversy and come out on one side or the other. he wanted to try to be inclusive, talk about we'll wait and see how that happens including in his discussions with his president-elect, he gives advice, and their pleasant but he always end with a little bit of a warning in example to
the discussions they have had that you can't do this job alone or -- with people who disagree with you, i have a lot of hope moving forward, you have to be an active citizen, safeguard your democracy. he said i want to take time off and be quiet with my family but if i see these things emerging to a greater extent i am going to have to speak out against them, so didn't want to be critical but also wanted to put people on notice that he still feels the way he does. i don't think anybody would make any mistake about that and he's not going to be quiet about things once things happen. >> all right. michelle kosinski at the white house. >> we're going to talk about
web. let me go to you senator santorum because i know your criticism of the president to do this, his basic explanation was chelsea manning has served her time serving seven years in prison which is more than what most people get for this offense but i didn't really hear more why they took this step when in 2010 the administration was so strongly critical of handing over this information to wikileaks. >> yeah, and they fought against this commutation. i look at this as just an unbelievable giveaway to republicans entering into a week in which donald trump as we talked during his press conference a week ago at this table has serious problems with the intelligence community, serious problems with the credibility of the american public and dealing with intelligence and being able to
be a commander in chief and work on those things and here president obama gives the intelligence community an absolute upper ccut an absolute knockout. >> so you think he did it out of a spirit of fair -- >> maybe i should give him more credit -- >> but donald trump has praised wikileaks so he's in a bit of a bind here himself because he has praised wikileaks during the campaign wanted more e-mails to come out -- >> yeah, but those are e-mails from a private server, we're talking about secrets that jeopardize men and women in the field in uniform and this is a dangerous thing. >> -- gave birth to wikileaks so he's not clean on that either. >> i see this differently.
first of all i'm very proud that the president did this. >> why? >> for a couple reasons. first of all, seven years is a long time, but this president has actually been very, very tough on whistle bloweblowers am the left part of his party and especially for the younger millennials they love this guy but baffled with his stance with regard to whistle bloweblowers t sticks in the craw of a lot of younger voters so chelsea manning became a symbol -- you guys are all shocked. >> can we get a distinguishing factor between whistle blower and traitor. >> -- the helicopter incident that was -- >> the most famous part of what she leaked.
>> right. >> but i don't know what that has to do with this wholesale dump of hundreds of thousands of documents. >> listen, i think chelsea manning already said that was bad but i'm trying to give you a perspective outside of the d.c. consensus that this is a horrific mistake that republicans and democrats are punishing him for and i share in the view that this goes in some way of repairing part of the younger voters and seven years is a long time. should chelsea manning done it in the way, no, but that striking video for this younger generation, you remember the picture of the young woman kind of burning in vietnam, that's their image and this person they had this available i think it's important that we at least allow
for the people that think he did the right thing. >> let's talk about the fact that the president's war on whistle bloebloer blowerblower whistleblowers, he used the espionage act and reporters were in the crosscrosshairs, and the were a number of times where a lot of reporters were in a tough position today, you would have thought that he was study's turkel in chicago, he was very for press. >> i didn't know studs -- >> be he and that crew. >> the one thing that struck me just going back to the notion of the president issuing a whole slew of warnings for donald trump, it seems as though he's been taking queues from donald
trump's own aides is that the only way to do it is on television, because he watches a lot of television and maybe gleams some of his opinions. his last event was called a press conference, he did it in the room, a very small room, but it is an important room that since the nixon administration -- am i right -- has been where president and their spokes people come and frankly take it from the press corp. and the fact that he made such a point of talking about the essential free press have to be in the building -- because of the talk about moving them across the way to the executive office building and saying that we, the press, are not to be sick fafan sickfans, and this is a guy as
you said who did not always have the greatest relationship with the press and really angered many people in the press corp. because of what you were talking about says a lots about how important it is and we said it and will say it again, a free press and adversarial press is to the core of our democracy. >> and john, he also called on a reporter with an lgbt publication and gave an articulation of how happy h is on that front. >> the fact that he called on diverse publications -- that was a signal as well. and the trump campaign within its right to say hey, what about breitbart news, what's the president-elect's decision, but to the legacy questions that came up, he said american society has changed and i think on gay rights, lgbt issues, a lot of progressives would remind president obama he was a little
late to get on the train, when he came to office he opposed same sex marriage. the courts did most of that work, but did talk about that and in the military an how there are a lot of people who gave these dire warnings and there's still some debate but that that has worked out okay and then he talked about being the first african-american president, and just celebrate the moment. a two-term president is leaving, the next president will be inaugurated in a couple of days. but he said that he thinks people of every race, color, gender will succeed him in due time. it's a white male, this time, but that's been the proud point of this administration and you
covered the white house and there are people saying he wasn't being black enough, why doesn't he talk about race issues more, others say he done talk about race enough. there were a couple of efforts there to -- >> david, you wanted to make a point? >> i thought what was interesting was some of his comments at the end of the press conference where he became most reflective and speaking about how he spoke to his children and how they handled some to have bitterness of the last eight years and he told them the only thing that's the end of the world is the end of the world and that registered so strongly for me because having known him 25 years and been along a lot of the way one of the signature qualities of barack obama is that of times of maximum stress and challenge he was always the calmest guy in the room while everybody was freaking out and
getting nervous. the second thing was this notion of not succumbing to cynicism and staying engaged and staying involved, that's something he really believes and i think that's something he's going to spend the rest of his life -- however long that is hopefully long, to encourage his kids and younger generations to participate --
welcome back. a beautiful afternoon here in washington, d.c., the income being trump administration will get to work on day one, possibly rolling out a number of executive orders and actions as early as neck week. i guess that isn't really day one, day three? political correspondent dana bash just joined me. she sat down with vice president-elect mike pence. you talked about obamacare on day one agenda? >> that's right, obamacare, what to do about russia. the president-elect made a lot of promises of things he's going to do right off the bat. we started there.
mr. vice president-elect, thanks for joining me. >> thanks, dana, you, too. >> i want to focus on what you are going to do first. the president-elect said during the campaign that he would announce his plans to renegotiate nafta on day one. terminate all of obama's executive orders, stop syrians from coming into the country, get rid of gun-free school zones and military bases. should we expect all or any of those on day one or monday when he says he's going to start the real business? >> i think you can expect that a president donald trump is going to hit the ground running on day one come monday morning. and the first week there will be a series of executive actions, both putting executive orders into place, repealing some executive orders. going to continue to work very enter jet cli with the congress to both repeal and replace obamacare simultaneously. >> on this day one situation, the question is whether or not any of these specifics are going to happen. >> they may. we're laying out now a series of
executive orders and actions which may actually span over the first several weeks -- >> can you give me a hint as to one or two of them? >> i could, but, look, i want to keep the surprise there. we're literally laying out those plans. but i can tell you the president-elect and i and our whole team is -- are very humbled by this moment. the approaching 58th inauguration, but very anxious to get to the white house and get to work for the american people. >> the president-elect has said now more than once he wants insurance for everybody. what does that mean? >> well, look, the truth is obamacare has failed and all you need to do is look at the fact that premiums in many states around the country have gone up more than 100% this year alone. it's put aig tremendous burden on families, on businesses. step one is to repeal the taxes and mandates at the very heart of obamacare. what the president-elect has made clear is that he also wants
the congress at the same time to pass a replacement bill that will lower the cost of health insurance and literally make health insurance affordable for every american. >> what does insurance for everybody mean? >> i think it means making insurance affordable for everyone, but also allowing for the kind of reforms in medicaid on a state by state basis that will ensure -- make sure we have health care coverage for the most vulnerable in our society. >> so, making it affordable and you said the most vulnerable, but not making -- i'm guessing you're not talking about a mandate because that would be anathema to what you were talking about. when he says insurance for everybody, that sort of sends a signal that people are not going to lose the health insurance that they have. >> well, our commitment is to an orderly transition out of obamacare. we don't want anyone to be anxious who has insurance through an exchange or through the process of obamacare. we don't want people to be concerned they're going to lose
that coverage and face hardship for their families. but we want to set into motion the kind of reforms, first in medicaid for the most vulnerable. and secondly for every american that will allow people to purchase health insurance across state lines, allow people to choose their own doctor, move into primary care, and we really do believe that the american market place itself with the right kind of reforms and incentives and perhaps tax credits can come together to make health insurance truly affordable for every american. >> senator or in hatch in charge of the health committee writing health care laws told my colleague that you have to be over careful about promising health care. what do you say about that? do you worry you are over promising whether it's flawed or not, that they could potentially lose? >> i think the president-elect and i are deeply commit today keeping our promises to the american people and in a very real sense, the american people
made a decision on obamacare in this last election. people know that it's failed. remember when obamacare was passed, i was working in the congress at the time. we were told that the cost of health insurance was going to go down, and the reality is that the exact opposite has happened. and the president-elect and i believe and we've assembled a team, doctor price is a part of those discussions as well, that we believe is going to put together a replacement plan that we hope gets bipartisan support. i was on capitol hill over the last two weeks talking with republicans and many democrats about their ideas for replacement of obamacare. rest assured, president-elect has made it very clear we're going to have an orderly transition and we're going to repeal and replace at the same time. >> the president-elect actually said that you are going to repeal and replace at the same time, but that could come in an hour and it will happen as soon as tom price, the hhs secretary, is confirmed.
i haven't found anybody on capitol hill who has seen that plan. have you seen it? >> i've seen a lot of great ideas -- >> but there's no plan, you don't have legislation -- >> it's being crafted right now. we're working with a leadership of the house and the senate, our team, and we're getting very close. and as the president-elect said last week, we expect to have that plan come forward in the early days of the administration, take it to the congress and take it to the american people. and i'm very confident that we'll have the kind of alternatives to obamacare that will really unleash the potential of the american economy and the american consumer to take greater control of their own health care, improve their lives, improve their health and lower the cost of health insurance. >> so, not a plan, he hasn't seen a plan, but he's seen a lot of great ideas. they're writing the plan right now. >> correct. which is not exactly