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uxz. you are watching a special edition of cnn newsroom. we have a lot to get to this hour, and we're seeing a new face in a familiar setting. president donald trump hosting an event in his new home. that is the white house. he met with fbi director james
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comey at an event honoring first responders earlier today. he spoke with the media as well before he and vice president mike pence swore in white house staff. as the donald trump administration is beginning to take shape, so are his meetings with leaders abroad. >> prime minister may will be coming over to the united states shortly, we're also meeting with the prime minister of canada and we will be meeting with the president of mexico. >> president trump will also receive a call from the president of russia in the coming days, so says the kremlin, but his chief of staff says trump will continue to followthrough an the reversal of
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more of obama's executive orders by signing more of his own. >> i think we're going to talk about trade, i think we're going to talk about that a little bit more tomorrow. we're going to talk about immigration this week, and we're going to have a time of national security, a conversation about that, obviously with general mattis. >> will he undo some of the obama executive orders? >> i think you'll see some of that coming this week, executive orders on those three topics. >> one thing we likely will not see is donald trump's tax returns, a top aid to the president now saying that even after an audit is complete, the president will not share his tax returns with the public. all of this ahead of a pivotal week for some of trump's most controversial cabinet nominees, including his choice to head the cia, some democrats doubling down on their refusal to cover some of those names, there are enough republican votes, it's just a matter of how long this is all going to take, let's bring in cnn white house
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correspondent. did you see a distinct change in tone from the president over the last four hours? >> reporter: poppy, so interesting seeing donald trump in the white house when he was swearing in his senior advisors, the people that will enact his policies, the people he's relying on to enact his agenda and he talked about how this is not a time of party ideology, he said that now is a time for action. he said we will also be judged for this moment. that crowd count for the inaugural and he was out at the cia giving remarks that really did not fit the moment. and i have talked to several advisors in and around this white house, who said that they believe yesterday was a mistake, and donald trump today, president trump was making a
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pivot intentionally here and you could tell also, poppy, he was prereadi reading from prepared remarks, something he did not do before he came to the cia. something he did on the campaign trail, when he's off the cuff, sometimes not on message. today he was very much on the presidential message. >> he thanked the 400 officers in the room for their service. but it was controversial about how he went on about the war with the media and the crowd size at the inaugural. in front of these intelligence officers many saying this wasn't the appropriate place or time for that and john brennan, the former head of the cia, saying through his spokesperson, that the president should be ashamed of himself. >> you did hear applause in the room and those were rank and file members of the cia, no question. but i actually talked to
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somebody pretty late last night who was inside that room, they said that senior leader at the cia were not applauding at all. and they thought it was quite awkward, particularly when donald trump asked who voted for him in there and suggested that he has the support of the military. the cia is a very different organization here, so we do not know who voted for him or who didn't vote for him. but again going forward here as we head into the first full week, a full action list here, the tone he struck today is one his aides hope he will continue to strike going forward here, the question is, will he? will he be able to do that? it's a question that everyone who grows in this job, will see if he continues that. but they are watching for that confirmation, they hope, of mike pompeo, and that might happen tomorrow in the senate. if it does not, you can just be sure that they will be crying foul over here at the white house, poppy. >> absolutely, just before i let
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you go, we did learn today from kellyanne conway some pretty important news regarding the preside president's tax returns? >> reporter: indeed, she said that the public does not care about these tax returns, that president trump won the election without releasing them and she said that he has no plans of releasing his tax returns. now we do believe that he is still under audit, that was always the reason he gave during the campaign, but it seems like audit or not, they -- he has no plan of releasing that. we'll see if that actually is what happens or if he'll change course on this. but don't expect the criticism of this to stop. but they may be right, even our surveys show that people care about it. it is not one of their top concerns here, but it certainly is not going to go away, because it's a change of precedent, the first president since jimmy carter to not return his full returns and jerald ford even
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released a summary. >> it may not be a pressing issue for foelks at home. several fast moving developments. this as the white house says is in the beginning stages of one of trump's campaign promises, from tel aviv to jerusalem, this is a whole lot more than just moving cities. corporate elise lavett. let me begin with you, what do we know about this phone call between benjamin netanyahu and the president in terms of what exactly they did talk about. >> the main issue they did issue in their readout was the iran
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deal. prime minister netanyahu -- the number one issue he wanted to talk about to find some way of changing the iran deal. to this day he calls it a bad deal. he now sees a -- change it in some way that he views as more favorable for israel, especially will the senate and congress, so netanyahu making it clear that was the primary reason for the call and that's something he will pursue when he visits the white house, visits president trump. is that will happen in early february. what else they talked about is the palestinian issue, president trump said he would like to take a shot at that, but saying that jared kushner, if anyone can do it, he can do it. and an empowered syrian
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president, bashar al assad. the white house also saying they discussed president trump's -- there will be no daylight between these two countries, between israel and the u.s., notably, the embassy didn't come up, or at least it wasn't mentioned on the readout here. it has not been a major priority, although the mayor has lauded, and many other israeli politici politicians, it certainly wasn't high on the list. both leaders are very aware of how sensitive it is. especially on this day, especially when mahmoud abbas was trying to lobby an international force against, to convince trump to at least delay moving the embassy or at least employ some caution here. it wasn't long that abbas reached out to vladimir putin,
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the russian president to make a deal here. but it carries so much more weight with it, the first time the u.s. would ever recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel and if it's not done carefully, delicately with a tremendous amount of thought going into it, it could very much set off a powder keg in the region. >> elise, you're incredibly well sourced, especially on this issue, what are your sources telling you when it comes to moving the embassy? >> it's something that donald trump has said he wanted to do, eventually it is going to take plans to do it. but there's so much focus on when the announcement is coming, is he going to do it this week? i think they're going to slow it down. i think they're going to take baby steps, i don't think they're going to have this conversation over the next few weeks, not only with the arabs,
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but with the israelis, to do this in a thoughtful way. what we're hear, maybe the ambassador david freeman, once confirmed, that's a very controversial nomination, as you know, maybe he'll stop working in jerusalem, working and living in jerusalem, and maybe in a designated office. and then they can consult with the allies, they can build plans to -- they're not going to change their minds, this is something that the president really wants to do and i think it needs to be zone in a bigger context of a mid east peace plan. it's going to be a very controversial move that's going to cause a lot of uproar in the arab world and they need to lay the ground work for that. >> that's the bigger question, that the path to the middle east is something that -- we know that jared kushner, one of his top advisors, will take a look
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at that. we have palestinians protesting this presidency. what do you think will change with b.b. netanyahu coming within the next month. clearly he and president obama were not the best of friends. the united states gave israel a ton of military support, a ton of israeli support. a billion that are -- in terms of israeli security, in providing israel aid, weapons, that's sack crow sangt. t t i think what you're going to see is much more of a kind of consultation working together,
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working in concert of what israel feels is good for them. you know, israel has explained that president obama knew what was good for israel and was a little bit of tough love and we're going to crack down on these settlements because we think that's important, we're going to go for this iran deal because that makes israel secure. that was more in a context of not only what was good for israel, but what was good for the region, and what other countries wanted. i think that you're going to see a lot more of an israel friendly administration. does that bode well for the palestinians? we don't know. perhaps this administration, this president could be closer to prime minister netanyahu, they could with a little bit more trust, maybe he could get some more concessions, we really don't know whether he's going to give israel a kind of cart blanch to do whatever it wants or if he's going to lay a more -- i've got your back, now you need to make some of that.
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>> not just an embassy news. there's a lot of nerves in the palestinian territories right now. >> i appreciate the reporting, and oren lieberman -- our clarissa ward a spokesperson for the kremlin, call this is phone call a, quote, diplomatic necessi necessity. >> there's a lot of phone calls
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taking place between president netanyahu and approximately trump. the issue of dealing with isis, of facing down against radical islamic terrorism. so that's one potential thing they might be discussing together. but there are also some really sticky issues that the u.s. and russia will have to resolve, if there is going to be this rack rush mall, i'm speaking of russian aggression in ukraine and also in syria and for the russian part, there's a lot of anger about the u.s. sanctions against russia, which have really debilitated the russian economy especially in connection with european sanctions, and
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just today, we heard the russian prime minister saying hold on a second, don't expect those sanctions to be repealed any time soon. he was actually saying he thinks they could last for quite a bit longer and that russia should not rely on any new world leader to fulfill that promise. so we're definitely hear a note of caution that is reflected in what we're hear from chrokremli spokesperson, he's saying that president netanyahu is ready to meet with president trump, but that will take place in the coming months, not the coming weeks. >> clarissa ward in moscow for us. coming up, alternative facts, it was trending very high on twitter today, why? we will discuss the fallout after reporters called into the question some quote unquote facts made by the white house
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alternative facts, that is the number one trending topics on twitter. one of president trump's top aides, white house spokesman sean spicer said fife things
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that were not factual in the span of five minutes when he addressed the press yesterday, let's talk got all of it with brian stelter, host of "reliable sources." we should play it so that people can listen. he was talking about crowd size. something that's pretty immaterial, i mean frankly it doesn't matter how many people were at the inauguration or weren't at the inauguration compared to four years ago. where do you fall on kellyanne conway saying there are alternative alternative facts, new phrase for the weekend. she said that spicer was simply providing alternative facts. >> i don't think ultimately presidents are judged by crowd sizes, i think they're judged for their accomplishments. >> why put him out for a
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provable. . >> and utter a falsehood. he undermines the credibility of the entire white house press office on day one. >> don't be so ovally dramatic about it, chuck, you're saying it's a falsehood and they're giving, sean spicer, the white house secretary gave alternative facts. >> i mean, you know, some people might laugh a little bit about the -- but it's not funny when you're talking about this man being the conduit of the -- war is peace and famine is feast and all of the rest of it.
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there are no alternative facts, alternative facts are actually fiction, especially with something as cut and dried as crowd size, donald trump yesterday of the cia referred to the sun coming out after his inaugural speech, when in fact it was cloudy and raining, the simple falsehoods are not complicated, they're not about complicated or about war, they're very simple falsehoods, that's why it's getting so much attention this weekend. the president is on message today, that we have seen a change today, versus yesterday. that makes me wonder on monday, sean spicer's first actual briefing, actually taking questions from reporters. >> he said two weeks ago, without trust from the press corps, you don't have anything. do you think sean spicer comes
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outs and correcting some of the falsehoods. how do you move forward in his relationship with the white house press corps. >> they have got to repair the relationship, i think you could sty that he's been furious at the unfair treatment of his president, the new president of the u.s. this is the real tension that has exploded. i think there's a broader issue at play. will we be able to trust the data, the facts of this administration? >> obviously all governments, all administrations spin and try to present the best possible narrative. this data about the metro that was untrue, data about the crowd size that was untrue, sort of basic facts, it sort of makes you wonder if his approval ratings decline, if he will believe those polls. this is only the second day of his term, that's one of the reasons why there's anxiety
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among the press corps. >> this is a statement you're told to make by the president and you know the president is watching. >> by the way, sean spicer has one of the hardest jobs in america. i want to give him the benefit of the doubt here, but he has a challenge tomorrow. >> it is a campaign promise that president trump often on the trail. but how would repealing obama care impact the million, 20 million americans who depend on it right now, what will the replacement look like, a new report that breaks down the effects of repealing obama care without a replacement. you're live in the cnn news room. tiki barber running a barber shop? yes!!! surprising. yes!!! what's not surprising? how much money david saved by switching to geico.
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download the xfinity tv app today. repeal obamacare, a -- directings federal agencies to minimize the financial burden caused by the affordable care act, but this week, a new report from the congressional budget office found that repealing major parts of it without a replacement, will pretty quickly strip 18 million americans of their insurance, and it will cause premiums to skyrocket. it actually estimated that premiums would double by 2026. the specific bill that they
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studied doesn't seem important. it outlines the monumental task at and as they work towards a replacement. that would cost $350 million over the next decade. we talk about so many issues and obama care is a big one, this is one that hits home for so many americans that rely on it that didn't have insurance before, or that couldn't afford insurance, or that americans that show my premiums have gone under it also has to be looked at when he said this week, insurance for all. which has a lot of people scratching their heads.
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>> first firof all this executi order, if they decide that they're going to use sweeping executive action in the same way president obama did to implement the law, this could be big news, otherwise it could just sort of be symbolism. republican republica republicans. do you get a sense that they're on the same page. paul ryan had that we wouldn't repeal it. trump said something he told "the washington post" in this interview, insurance for all, which was counter to the plan that was put forward by his hhs nominee. >> trump says he's looking at universal coverage. there is a bridge between the
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two, there are policies that will get them from a to barks, but is a leadership administration going to be taked by trump and his administration? congressional republicans have got lots of ideas on held care reform for a long time. pule ryan has got a plan, but it is going to be up to the president to say this is what i want to do and lead the way forward. >> one thing for the for reasons as a whole, whether they will be comfortable with president trump using and exercising this executive authority to strike down the law as broadly as president obama did to enact so many things and they criticize president obama for doing just that. >> there is some potential irony here, i think for republicans who have been looking to get rid of the affordable care act, who have been looking to replace it with something else, now they have this moment, this interesting time, but it's going to require them, if they want to use executive action, they're going to have to be aggressive about it. >> and there are parts of it
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that the president has said that he wants to keep. >> there are things he wants to keep, he wants to keep some protection for people with preexisting conditions, he wants to make sure that people -- >> one is reliant on the next. >> i don't know that i buy that argument. but we'll see, it is going to be up to president trump to work with a republican congress. >> coming up for us, another busy week on tap of capitol hill, as hearings for president trump's cabinet picks continue, we'll tell you who's in the hot seat, as you're watching a special live edition of cnn newsroom.
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welcome back. president trump has two cabinet members that have been confirmed and are ready to get to work tomorrow morning. the senate is expected to vote tomorrow on cia director nominee mike pompeo, the democrats are slow walking these nominees, democrats say trump's picks are slow to disclose their financial and ethics paper work, now the most powerful democrat is signaling signs of resistance. this is what minority leader chuck scheumer had to say. >> i'm worried he's using populist rhetoric to cover up a hard right agenda. when you look at republicans, so many of them are hard right, dr. price, he wants to ends medicare as we know it. mulvany wants to cut research
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into health care. puzder wants to do away with --. >> the daily beast seeing our national security correspondent. thank you both for being here. when you look at pompeo and kimberly wrote a piece about this recently.
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congress should pass a law re-establishing the collection of metadata into a comprehensive search for database. they think registry, muslim registry, what exactly does this mean? do we know? >> he said that in an op-ed before he went for this job. he said for the testimony that he will follow the law, but he's said since then, in these written answers, if cia officers tell him that either there are limits on what they can collect or there are limits on their techniques of interrogation, it's very fuzzy, but it's not the denial that the senators heard in testimony before them. >> saying the commander in chief would never ask me to do that. josh rogan, two points here, general mattis told trump, i have actually been told from
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experience that enhanced interrogation doesn't work. and also that 2014 senate report on the cia and enhanced interrogation showed that it didn't work. >> right. pompeo is going to get confirmed. the senators that are objecting to these things want to have a data talk about it. i'm not sure there's a risk to national security, but that they're delaying the c confirmation of national security secretaries. the difference is what pompeo thinks and what the administration is reserving as their right. because those written questions, they don't actually get written by the nominees, they get written by a team of people in an administration who want to make sure they have covered themselves. so they're leaving the door open to go back on interrogation techniques that they want to. it really does unnerve a lot of people and it should. >> i spoke to one of the
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interrogators for the cia water board at k-- water boarde khali shaikh mohammed. they have the consider this is illegal what i'm about to do but i'm saving lives, he's saying why don't we have the debate and figure out behind closed doors. >> we just went through that whole thing and feinstein and all of the abuses and what happened behind closed doors, they're reopening this wound. >> this is also in the context of general flynn who's going to have a role when it comes to advising the president on all of this. when it comes to saying that the director of national intelligence to have all this power. how does it play out for the cia
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and intelligence workers who the president spoke to, 400 some of them yesterday. >> the cia officers i have sp e spoken to believe that the national intelligence apparatus has grown too large and they can do the job. what i have heard from different folks is they're used to this sort of back and forth at the top, they think it's going to settle, and they're going to be not only allowed to do their jobs, but possibly with president trump's backing, have more freedom to do what they think they need to do, remember, that under the obama administration, some of the people that carried out the interrogation measures that were deemed legal under the bush administration, were then investigated by the department of justice. >> some of those still facing investigations. i got to leave it there. >> it's just tough to see that in the context of the cia in a battle with the president over
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the investigation with russian hacking. over his ties to russian figures. the reshuffling of the deck chairs between the fbi and the cia is not an important thing. >> coming up for us, jobs, jobs, jobs, it's the economy, stu pitd. we have heard that for many years, jobs, donald trump's number one priority during the campaign, now that he's president, he's got an eye popping goal, 25 million new jobs for americans, it has never been done before by a single president, can he do it? we'll talk about that next.
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president trump won the election on a platform of jobs. in fact, president trump promised to create 25 million
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jobs, under his doctrine of buy american and hire american. 25 million jobs would be the most ever created under any single president. how can he accomplish it? heather, thank you so much for being here, i know you dig into these numbers daily, this would top the nearly 23 million jobs that were added under president bill clinton's terms and that was during the boom of the 90s. could trump reach 25 million? >> this is going to be very, very hard to do, no doubt about it. as you mentioned, it would be the most that would be more than double over the 11 million jobs added under president obama. in my mind, trump is really drawing an economic red line here, saying this is what he wants to deliver for america and his supporters, as a great economic legacy. he has three key policy plans on the economy, the first that we
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talk a lot about is cutting taxes, cutting taxes for you and i, for individuals, and cutting taxes for individuals, that reaganesque approach that if we cut taxes businesses will want to hire and have more jobs here. he wants to renegotiate the north american free trade agreement with mexico and canada, that's a little more questionable on how that will play out on the jobs front. the final part that a lot of people think could grow jobs is if he wants to do a lot of spending, he even talked about it in hi inaugural address, spend a lot of money to help roads and bridges, on that infrastructure and that could create some jobs. >> he has upwards of a trillion dollar spending bill, which by
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the way some democrats are absolutely in support of, but he's got road blocks, what are the biggest challenges, road blocks, it's going to be tough to get around. >> there's a lot of road blocks, obviously congress has to go along with a lot of these plans, but the bigger one from an economic perspective, but a lot of jobs aren't just going overseas to mexico or china, which he focuses on a lot. a lot of these jobs are being lost to technology and robots, i spent last weekend in lordstown, ohio at an auto factory there, that factory used to employ a lot of people in the 1980s and '90s. now it still produces a lot of cars, but they're being made by robots. he said there used to be a human who physically put a spare tire
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in the trunk, that is now done by a robot. so trump wants to begin this big push towards automation. >> it's big enough for us to remember, the market rally, that we have seen in the stock market post election is not correlated directly to a jobs rally that we may see. >> that's true. president obama was great for the stock market, the stock market almost tripled under president obama. we did see some jobs under his presidency, but the market was going up a long time before we started to see that jobs growth. just because wall street is opt t mystic, it doesn't give jobs. we have to leigh it there. on that note, president trump today announced that he will begin renegotiating nafta, when he meets with the leaders of canada and mexico. listen.
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>> we will be meeting with the president of mexico, who i know, and we're going to start some negotiations having to do with nafta. anybody ever hear of nafta? i ran a campaign somewhat based on nafta. but we're going to start renegotiating on nafta, on immigration and on security at the border. >> that was another big campaign promise, he hit hard in hi inaugural address, put america first, that is music to the ears of many, many people who lost their good paying manufacturing jobs. let's talk about all of this with scott polly, who's president of the alliance of american manufacturing. just diving into nafta, he said he's going to meet with justin trudeau and president of mexico.
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>> if you just repealed nafta, there would be a big down side to it, just like repealing the affordable care act would have devastating consequences. there is a place to renegotiate nafta, it was negotiated more than 20 years ago in an era where you didn't have smart phones or digital technology or anything like that, and also in an era where these folks weren't facing competition from china or asia. in the heartland in particular, in and a half tax is akin to a curse word, people do not like it, they respond viscerally to it and they expect some action. >> if my job got replaced by a robot, i would be pretty ticked off too. it's not just nafta, it is automation, and that is not going to change. and one thing that i want to
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note is that andy podzer, he say that robots never take a vacation, there's never a slip and fall or an age or gender discrimination case. >> technology, automation, they are facts of life. >> that would set america back, no? >> it would set america back, absolutely, at the same time, i think there can be a future where there are relationships and you have nafta jobs. take investments in tesla, and the new battery plant, 6,000 people working with robot. if we get policy right, there will be an opportunity for new manufacturing jobs, they'll looking a lot different than those manufacturing jobs of the
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50s. >> you have said for the president to do what he wants to do he has to be a macrothinker. it's great to see any jobs coming back or staying here, but what macroeconomic policy does he need? >> every government decision impacts a manufacturing firm or any other firm that's in that kind of global competition, so tax policy matters, how low the rate s what are the incentives to invest in america. trade policy matters, and this is where i do agree somewhat with donald trump and the criticism, i think we have negotiated some terrible deals for the united states. we need to reconfigure those deals with china and mexico and in particular, we also need workforce training and we need infrastructure investment because when we spur that demand, it makes our economy more efficient, people love getting to their jobs quicker. but it moves our goods to the
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ports faster, it makes a more efficient economy. and bipartisan support. >> we're going to take a quick break, we'll be back live from the nation's capital after this. oh, how waso good!en house? did you apply? oh, i'll do it later today. your credit score must be amazing. my credit score? credit karma. it's free. that's great! um hm. just whip bam boom, it's done. that apartment is mine! credit karma. give yourself some credit.
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the atlanta falcons are on their way to the super bowl, tonight they stopped the packers 38-41. confetti and a trophy for owner arthur blank for his team winning the nfc. the team won its last game in its current home, the georgia dome, just a block away from our entire show team at the cnn center in atlanta. this will be just the second super bowl for the falcons, it will take place two weeks from tonight in houston. atlanta's opponent in that game will be the winner of tonight's affect championship game between the new england patriots and the pittsburgh steelers. congrats to the falcons. next on cnn, we take you inside the final days of the white house. cnn's original film, the end.
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whoopi goldberg joins van jones to talk about the first days of the trump white house, the messy trust airs wednesday at 9:00 p.m. i'm poppy harlow in washington, we will be back live from the capitol in just two hours from now at 10:00 p.m. i'll see you then.
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♪ ♪ >> announcer: cnn films presented by volkswagen. >> it is a beautiful night here in the nation's capital. this could be it. america votes. whatever happens next american history is being made. >> as tonight america finally decides who will be the next president of the united states. >> the most exciting and important election night in

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