tv CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin CNN January 24, 2017 12:00pm-1:01pm PST
trump's repeated and unfounded claim that million of people voted illegally in this historic election something he does not have a shred of evidence on claiming it cost him the popular vote. >> what evidence do you have of widespread voter fraud if that's the case. >> the president does believe that. he's stated that before. i think he stated his concerns of voter fraud and he continues to maintain that belief. >> -- what evidence do you have. >> as i said the president believes that based on evidence he has. >> a couple of moments later jeff zeleny our correspondent
pushed sean spicer on this. >> i wonder if you believe that. you were the national committee chair and reince priebus -- how can we with his win? maybe he didn't win. >> no, he did win, look, jeff i've asked and answered this question twice, he believes what he believes based on the information he's provided. >> what does that mean for democracy, what does that mean for democracy? >> it means i've answered your question. >> have you? >> he believes what he believes based on the information provided. i'm got my panel gloria borger, dana bash and columnist for
lady's politicpolitics. gloria, starting with you, if 3-5 million votes illegally cast where's the evidence? >> there's no evidence. a few survey, which basically said that the voter roles that 1.8 million dead people on it but didn't say those dead people voted. so there really isn't any evidence, so you have to ask the question why is the president obsessing on this? sean spicer kept saying well the president believes it but the president seems to be alone in all of this. i don't think republican leaders believe it. i don't think most people in the congress believe it. and so you have to ask the question why is he continuing to
raise this because it almost begs the question if you think that's the case wouldn't it delegitimatize our own presidency race? >> and down ballot races? >> right. and if in fact we had a election in which millions of people voted illegally shouldn't there be a investigation? 3 million people voted and won the popular vote and i think that sticks in his kraw. >> the president brought this up yesterday with the bipartisan immediatin meeting. in that meeting the president
started talking about that he still believes that millions of people voted illegally and started talking about voter fraud and apparently according to the spokesperson for nancy pelosi pushed back and said that's just not true, and we have sourcerss that say that discussion continued five or more minutes. before he took the oath of office into the white house and it was a topic with his leadership in the republican and democrats his very first meeting he had with them, so that's the reason why this is even an issue. the reason why his spokesman was asked about it and clearly was not comfortable answering it. one thing i want to asked gloria was talking about some of the
statistics, sean spicer said something along the lines of. >> let me play the sound bite because keep going back to this 14%. >> is the white house formally going to ask for an investigation. >> i think he handily won, he's very comfortable with his win. >> -- trouble him if he's bringing it up. >> he mentioned something in passing which has been a long standing belief he's maintained. this isn't the first time you have heard this concern. >> but clarifying whether illegal ballots or illegal immigran immigrants. >> i think there was a study in 2014 that came out that showed 14% of non-voters voted -- >> as dick durbin told him last night. >> i've asked and answered it, it's a belief he's maintained for a while, a concern that he has about voter fraud.
>> so again that's the 14% dana, not to read your mind. in the 2008, it was refuted by the people who actually gathered the data. >> you're right. there was a note sent around -- she was watching this what the report actually said was that 14% of people who are not citizens claim to be registered to vote. claim to be registered to vote is far different from 14% of voters are not sisscitizens. >> and it's not a pew poll. it w it didn't claim there was any fraud in voting. >> i just want to play some sound, this is from manu raju who talked to senator graham
saying that president trump needs to step peddling conspiracy theories. >> if the president of the united states is claiming that 3-3 point 5 million people voted illegally, that shakes the belief in democracy, i don't believe that, i believe it is the most inappropriate thing for the president to say without proof. al gore walked away based on 500 or 600 votes, richard nixon by a close. i would urge the president to knock this off, this is the greatest democracy on earth. you're the leader of the free world. and people are going to start doubting you as a person if you
keep making acquisitions against our electoral system without justification. this is going to erode his ability to govern this country if he does not stop it. a-b, you have a republican senator saying this under mine your presidency -- >> this is much more widespread than it seems, because the only in the republican party who speak bluntly out this are john mccain and lindsey graham, and the other day when he expressed confidence for the 800th team all of the people that john mccain respects very much and expressed his confidence in them and when asked do you have confidence in the president.
this was before this voter fraud comment last night but just about -- it was after the fact that trump had gone to the central intelligence agency and lied to them that it was our fault in the media that he had seen between 1-1 point 5 people on the mall and we were lying about it when pressed mccain said he couldn't have confidence in the president because so many cant contradictory statements have been made. they want to give him a happy honeymoon, but they don't like him calling up companies and bullying them, they don't like the fact that he pulled out of ttp and that he didn't give up the company completely to his son -- seems right now there are
only a few people voicing that concern. >> i've talked to republican leaders who say look, we know the republican leadership was not enthralled and excited about donald trump as their nominee, never mind the president of the united states, they have accepted that and kwquite happy about them being able to pass long stalled legislation because they have a republican in the white house which is why for the most part we're not hearing republicans say things that lindsey graham or john mccain have said, they're biting their tongues in private what they call noise to try to stay focused on the legislative agenda. the question of how long that's going to last when you have issues of this magnitude that the president brings up in meetings with them that could as senator graham said shake the
core of democracy. >> and they're also worried -- i was talking to one republican senator yesterday that they are worried they are head into a buzz saw on repealing and replacing obamacare because they don't have a plan in place and they're worried that the american public will react negatively to it because they don't want to lose anything they have already got like insurance for preexisting conditions, so they have got a very tough job ahead of them and they have to stay on message if they're going to get it done, but when the president of the united states keeps diverting to how many votes he actually got in the election, or how he spoke in front of the cia last weekend, it gives themjedaajeda, their j is hard enough. >> no extrajeda needed.
gloria, dana, ab thank you. >> the cabinet nominees facing tough questions on capitol hill. one a question of crowd sizes at the inauguration, why that came up today? also will james comey remain at his post as chief of the fbi? we have huge news on that. also ahead, millions and millions of women and men marched around the world for this women's march, so what comes of it? what's the next move? i'm on it. i'm brooke baldwin and you're watching cnn.
congressmen tom price, and congre congressman mulvaney, congressman price made a huge promise on obamacare replacement while mulvaney had not only to talk about the budget but also crowd side. i have m.j. lee and phil mattingingly, ladies first, talk to me about dr. price, orthopedic surgeon, getting peppered on executive actions on obamacare. >> that's right. this is the first time we are seeing tom price in public since donald trump was sworn in as president and certainly the first time hearing from him since trump signed that executive order literally within hours of becoming president and it had broad and sweeping
language giving permission to certain agencies allowing them to interpret obamacare as loosely as possible so individuals and others can avoid the burdens of this executive order said of obamacare and i think a lot of lawmakers, democrats and republicans are looking for guidance from tom price of how he expects to uphold the order. i want to play a sound that tom price had the top democratic senator on the finance committee, these are the first comments he has made about this executive order. >> under the executive order will you commit that no one will be worse off? >> what i commit to senator is working with you and every single member of congress to make certain we have the highest quality health care and that every single american has access to affordable question. >> that is not what i asked. i asked will you commit that no one will be worse off under the executive order.
you ducked the question. will you guarantee that no one will lose coverage under the executive order. >> i guarantee you that under the affordable care act that they don't lose coverage -- making the commitment forward. >> what you didn't hear in this exchange was senator widen expressing his frustration again saying that dr. price did not answer his questions, they are very worried about the affects of this executive order and are hoping to get details on what it would exactly entail. and he also came under fire about the investments, cnn had inconsistencies raised, but same as last week, he said everything
he did was ethical, legal and transparent. >> phil, let's talk about this, congressman mulvaney confirmation talking about budget, i understand this is the context about crowd size? walk us through that? >> it was an unexpected twist on a hearing at least up to that point has been two hours of charts, numbers, talks about entitlement reforms and future of sbientitlements and then pho of the 2009 inauguration and 2017. >> i have two pictures in 2009,
and 2017, which is larger the 2009 crowd or 2017. >> senator, it does appear that the crowd on the left hand side is bigger than the crowd on the right hand side. >> the president disagreed, said it's a lie, we caught them, we caught them in a beauty, referring to the press reporting, says looks like a million, million and a half people, the reason i'm raising this is because budget often contained buried deceptions. you and i talked about in my office about the magic asterisks, this is an example on where the president's team on something very simple and straight forward wants to embrace a fantasy rather than the reality. it's come up a lot because sean spicer the press secretary said they framed their photos to minimize the audience.
and went on to say it was the largest inauguration, period. i would gather you would disagree with the press secretary. with your caveat. >> i'm not familiar with the statements. i do agree that the photographs are as you stated them. >> chuck todd noted with his interview with kellyanne conway -- you're saying it's a falsehood. sean spicer gave alternative facts. are you comfortable as you proceed as a key budget advisor presenting falsehoods as simply an alternative fact? >> as you and i discussed in your office, i have ever intent and believe i have shown to my point in congress that i am deadly serious on giving you hard numbers and intend to follow through on that. >> brooke, i can confirm all of
us buried in our computers immediately perked up when this came -- this debate came up and the ridiculous crowd sized debate came up. but using kind of gimmicks to get around the true cost, that's a true tried tradition, that was on the top, but kind of on the more secondary point and that's why it's so important for mul-- mulvaney -- that's an hiissue tt the democrats tried to hit on. and he did not back down, he
stick around. >> he's become more famous than me. [ laughter ] >> director comey. [ applause ] >> comey under fire that his role was ultimately the blame of hillary clinton's loss. first the exchange in trump's words there in the room was note worthy but comey staying on a surprise? >> you can look at it two ways, it's not given he's only a few years into it but his position he could be removed from his position by the president and leading up to this point president trump has really left his future hanging in the balance, during the campaign he criticized comey for not filing
charges against hillary clinton and then said he wasn't really about director comey and as we know, director comey has been at t the center of controversy after reopening the investigation into hillary clinton, but now we're hearing that donald trump did have a conversation with director comey in recent days saying that he wanted him to stay on board and director comey accepted which means he will remain at the helm of the fbi at the time when the fbi is looking at trump and potential ties to russia. >> talk about this specifically into his national security adviser general flynn?
>> we learned from evan perez and jim sciutto that he looked into a conversation had, looked at several items for several le gi -- logistics -- apparently there was some content in that call that had raised a flag, but there's no indication of wrong doing for michael flynn, but still he is one person out of several of trump's associates that the fbi has been looking at some time with potential ties to russia and as pointed out director comey will stay at the helm of this in the midst of all this. next, the organizers of the women's march today. what is next after their
more than a million women the first mass demonstration that reached all seven continents. the women's march around the world, but the question how lingering after possibly the largest protest in history, what's next? i spoke to some of the organizers, musicians, actors ba backstage. >> what do you want from this? >> well, we want for our elected
officials here and in our states and at home to know that we will not allow our rights to be rolled back. we will not be silenced and the voice of the women is powerful. >> what's the one issue where you think i don't have to show up for another women's march in washington in another year because this happened? >> it's dignity. my issue and my cause is human dignity. >> we are 60% of the population now in the united states so it's important to address our needs now. >> all of these people showing up are committed to doing better and being better and if the president doesn't take notice of that we will elect someone better. their voting restrictions and trickery, like we see behind the veil. >> the stuff that has come out of that man's mouth in the last year it's not okay for the president of the united states, i want someone in white house
who can help me find my higher self- >> but he is our president. >> i struggle with that. >> don't do favors for your billionaire friends. >> what are you most afraid of in. >> i'm afraid to have bigotry, misogyny, the racism that we experienced during the election cycle being normalized. we cannot allow our democracy to be disstotorted in that way. >> they don't define you, what defines you is how you choose to respond to that. >> we will have a woman president some day, we will absolutely have a woman president some day but we have to fight for it and make sure our values are represented every step of the way. >> this is for everyone who believes in like the right thing and there are not just women here, there are men supporting
us. that's what we need. >> what hope do you feel moving forward? >> i feel if we state united there's many groups that you can join. there's many ways you can keep making them hear your voice and all i pray for is that women stay united. >> so you heard all those voices from the different women there, was that just a moment or will it turn into a movement? organizers are planning their next move, one possibility you could run for office. more on the march organizers, i talked to them over the weekend. how do they push this forward? >> you talked to two of the four co-chairs, they had a meeting today. they're being pretty tight-lipped about it but they were doing a debrief about what happened on saturday. certainly from their point of view it was a huge success an trying to build on this and they
said this was a historic day and also said they're going to continue to review new information as the cochairs and national organizers continue the next steps. the first thing is trying to galvanize people through immediate social media, the first action they're doing has to do with sending out postcards urging people to either make but have also made their own for the organization that people can use and send to senators, the question of course is is that enough? is that going to allow these organizers to do something that isn't just a moment where we saw so many people represented across the country and across the globe but are they going to be able to channel people into those things you were talking about. they want people to run for office and get involved with causes. there were a number of them from planned parenthood to natural
resource defense council, but these are women who have organized on behalf of other thic things and hope they can take the grassroots organization and channel people. >> you're right they have the postcards for you, just to send in to members of the congress. thank you very much brianna keilar. >> the ttp pulled out, the option now for china to take the lead on trade. and sean spicer saying that the president still believes that millions of people voted illegally. what does that say about under mining democracy? that's coming up too.
american workers and manufacturing, now in his first couple of days as president he has made good on his promise to unravel it. mr. trump signed an executive order to withdraw the trade deal and now may open the door for china to fill that void. >> the transpacific partnership is in the disaster done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country. >> all it took was the stroke of a pen for donald trump to kill off the tpp in its current form a deal that had been in the making for seven years, one that gave the u.s. a leadership role. one that gave barack obama specific -- for the region, now it leaves the door open for
china, the regional comprehensive partnership, it's made up of 16 country, china, japan, india, australia and new zealand. it's a fairly standard trade deal so trade can move freely, not a lot different from the tpp you might think but you would be wrong there are key differences between these two policies. the tpp was lot more than just cutting trade barriers, it included protections of the workers rights, environmental standards and sbintellectual
rights. donald trump is using a very different playbook. under his plans to make america great again, he could be handing china a key role in setting future trade standards in the most dynamic economic region of the world. andrew stevens, cnn hong kong. >> let's talk about that. author of "what the u.s. can learn from china." welcome. >> i think it's always important to remind people that hillary clinton, bernie sanders, were all at one on tpp now he's done this exec tive action, u.s. companies that relied on business in asia, how would that affect them? >> it's going affect them. tpp was not such a trade deal
that was going to harmonize and set different standards around intellectual property, this would make it easier for countries to move their operations offshore to hire cheaper people in order to make their manufacturing of goods cheaper. trump is basically trying to revert back to a very traditional definition of trade, which is everything is going to be made in the u.s. and then you export out to other countries as opposed to having trade be outsourcing to other countries, which has been the case in the last couple decades. and so by getting rid of tpp he is more or less signaling to these companies that no, we're going to go back to the original definition of trade. >> america
turf that maybe wasn't there as initially in business? tpp is gone. would that help them? >> yes. so, china is actually trying to push their own version of tpp in the asia-pacific region, right, which is called rsf. they've been negotiating this for many years, too. and it looks like they're now going to be closer to getting that done now that tpp is dead in the water. china certainly has been saying that they want to have more open borders, more free trade. this was coming out of the speech at davos where he he identified that the problems with the current economic order is problematic, just like trump identified the same problems of inequality and of it not
benefiting everyone. but china's answer is, we need to just take down more barriers across borders, not try to erect protectionist barriers and keeping things in-house. china is trying to move their manufacturing to other countries like africa and other places, whereas we're trying to bring everything back. >> which, you know, if you're sitting and watching in america, this whole america first really resonates with a lot of people whether you voted for the man or not. that's something i think could really be a unifying factor in this country. what's wrong with that? >> nothing's so wrong with it in that you want to know if it's going to have unintended consequences down the road. so, what china basically was saying is that we don't mind if we manufacture things elsewhere, because the real kahuna is to drive innovation because you're going to kree at r ate new jobs. >> better business. >> better jobs for your people.
if you offshore stuff that is low value add. and, so, they actually are not afraid of low-cost manufacturing jobs leaving china at all. in fact, you know, this might be a great point where china and trump can actually come to agreements here on trade because i don't think china is going to be so worried about that. i had explained in other conversations where china's exports used to be 50% of their gdp, and now it's dropped to 20%. but u.s. exports, you know, for china is only 18% of that 20%. so, it's only like 4%. >> got it. >> so, even if they ended all trade with the u.s., it's only going to affect their economy by like 4 percentage points. >> minuscule. >> it's not terrible for them. >> okay. not terrible for them. thank you very much. i really appreciate you and good luck on the book coming out here. coming up next, israel moves to
expand its settlements in the disputed west bank. palestine calling it provocationful we'll discuss how the trump administration could respond to this coming up. ng lessons. rodney wanted to know how his business was doing... ...so he got quickbooks. it organizes all his accounts, so he knows where he stands. ahhh...that's a profit. way to grow, rodney! visit quickbooks.com.
just days after president trump's inauguration is real, he's planning to build about 2,500 new homes, some of them will be built in an area that received a donation from the trump foundation a couple years ago. israeli prime minister nets tweeted they are building and will continue to build. what is palestine saying? >> basically brought the palestinians are outraged. the palestinian prime minister's office, the president's office saying that they reject this
decision, that they will oppose it, they'll use all means that they can, whether it's political, diplomatic, economic. but really, brook, this is about the new relationship between the trump administration and the government of prime minister benjamin netanyahu. it comes two days after president trump and prime minister netanyahu said it was warm. you will see one of the largest settlement expansions in recent years. now, to be fair, some of the vast majority of these settlements are not in that settlement block that you mentioned, that settlement that donald trump donated to in the west bank. incidentally, the ambassador to israel, david friedman, but most of these are in the area what we call in the mid east jive within
the 1967 lines, the area that israel considers -- the part of israel . we'll have to see what happens between the two lieders when prime minister comes in early february. >> all right. elise, thank you very much. i'm out of time. let's go to washington. the lead starts now. thanks, brook. the emperor has no facts. the lead starts right now. the white house today doubling down saying it is president trump's belief that 3 to 5 million people voted illegally. when baseless conspiracies become white house policy what does that mean for the rest of us? a new tier a at the epa. we've done some digging and found some major changes are in store. how might they affect you and the air you breathe and the water you drink? plus, senator bernie sanders, other democrats labor leader, all cheering donald trump for ditching