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says she won't take a bullet for president trump. that's being investigated. first the continuing fallout from the president's debunked claim that millions of undocumented immigrants voted for hillary clinton. it's dominated the headlines for much of the day, there's that and late orders of new executive orders. so you're learning information about new executive actions. let's start with that. what is it? >> reporter: we're hearing from our sources up on capitol hill that president trump will make a stop at the department of homeland security tomorrow and begin to sign a series of
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executives actions aimed at border security and national security. at the moment our understanding is the president will tighten visa restrictions and refugee restrictions from people come number of not spots. border security and sanctuary cities on thursday. our sources caution that the sequencing of this is not finalized. anderson all of this comes as the president has whipped up another firestorm here in washington this time with his claim that millions of people voted illegally in the election. it's a lie that won't die at a reception at the white house president trump once again repeated his false claim that millions of people cast fraudulent ballots. robbing him of a popular vote victory in the november election. sean spicer says this is what the president believes. >> the president does believe that. he has state that had before. i think he stated his concerns
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voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign. he continues to maintain that belief based on studies and evidence. >> reporter: reporters press spicer to offer proof. >> what evidence do you have? >> the president has believed that for a while based on information he has. >> reporter: word of the falsehood spread on wild fire by capitol hill where it was rejected by both democrats and republicans. >> i think we're going to see more of this. we just got to be very clear that we're going to correct the record and tell the truth to the american people. there is no record of millions of people who are not authorized to vote. >> i wasn't there. but if the president of the united states is claiming that 3 to 3.5 million people voted illegally that shakes confidence in our democracy. he needs to disclose why he believes that. >> reporter: to back up the president's claim trump aids have repeatedly pointed to this 2012 study that finds nearly 3 million have registrations many
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more than one state and almost two million are listed as dead. but the authors said they didn't find examples of voter fraud. trump made the claim before tweeting that in addition to winning the electoral college in a land side if you deduct the millions who voted illegally. this is hardly the only insecurity of the president. democrats were taunting the president over the crowd size at his inauguration at a confirmation hearing of management and budget. >> which crowd is larger, the 2009 crowd or the 2017 crowd? >> senator if you allow me to give the disclaimer that i'm not really sure how this ties to omb i'll be happy to answer your question. which from that picture the crowd on the left-hand side is bigger than the crowd on the right-hand side. >> reporter: it's yet another controversy of overshadowing the days of the new administration a time when the white house senior staff would rather focus on the president's executive action.
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resurrecting the keystone pipeline. >> we will build our own pipeline. we will build our own pipes. that's what it has to do with. like we used to in the old days. >> reporter: the white house insists the president is secure in his win. >> he's very comfortable with his win. >> how much does the white house want to move on from talking about winning the election or i should say, maybe, the senior advisors because clearly the president keeps talking about this? >> reporter: absolutely they do, anderson that's why every day we've seen the president sign these executive orders chipping away at president obama's legacy whether it's the tpp or the pipeline. they would like to stay on message. the problem is the boss is going off message and it is really running the risk of throwing everything off course at the very early stages of this administration which as you know anderson it is a very critical time. of course tomorrow they're going to try to get back on message once again with these executive actions on immigration, which,
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by the way, we should point out do back up a promise that he had out in the campaign trail to crack down on immigration and so they hope that the image tomorrow he's delivering on that promise. >> thanks very much. someone joining us now, former white house press secretary for george w. bush yerks and van jones is back. so we all know sean spicer got a lot of questions about this unfounded claim about 3 to 5 million illegal immigrants or undocumented immigrants voting and voting for hillary clinton, that costing him the popular vote. what should a -- sean spicer was asked does he believe that? he wouldn't answer that. he was basically saying this is what the president believes. what do you do in a case like that if clearly this is something the president believes or wants to believe and keeps talking about it? even though it takes away from his larger message. >> if you're the press secretary your job is to faithfully and fully represent what the president believes and why. your own opinion's about this or
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abortion or equal rights or you name the issue, gun violence, it has nothing to do with your job. your job is to represent the president so sean did his job today and he answered the question from the president's point of view. >> if what the president believes is not factually correct, how does one deal with that as senior staff members? 4 4 # >> well, that's a good question. and if you asked me sitting here in my comfortable chance not in the employ of donald trump and removed from washington politics, it's easy. i find this whole thing odd. i don't think there's any support for the statement. i don't believe takes true statement. so i find the whole thing odd. i also kind of question anderson whether or not people in the heartland and people who heard about the construction jobs that could be coming from the keystone pipeline what's more important to blue collar's workers in america today whether donald trump is bragging and boasting about a win or they may get some jobs because of the executive order.
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i suspect people in the heartland are more worried about that story than this one, but in washington this was the story. >> i get that point of view. i guess maybe people start to care when the lies become something about their own lives or when the lies become -- i guess i'm just wondering from somebody who's been in the white house, i mean it's a tough job sean spicer has, do you say, mr. president -- is this actually a conversation that advisors tend to have or do you just kind of, you know, take one for the team? >> it is a conversation you have and i think it depends on the president's willingness to listen. but clearly the president previously tweeted this and he said it at a reception. it got out to the public. it's something he believes. i just think -- at least i in my opinion somebody who is hoping that donald trump will be successful and keeping an open mind, i want him to be successful. i look at the president and i think when it comes to his winning record, when it comes to the buildings he builds, he has
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a air of braggadocios to him. everything's the biggest and best. nothing beats what he's done. i can separate that in my mind from the rest of governing. i don't know that because he bragged that he would have been won by 3 million votes if it hadn't been for this which i don't think is true, i don't know that that ties over to anything else that the president is going to do on defense policy or anything else. i'm more worried if he sets a red line he enforces it. that's the type of his word i'm much more concerned about. >> it's interesting, van, because the other argument is that -- i know you don't like things that the president is doing, but there are a lot of things he is doing. he's had some very busy days. a lot of executive actions. that is a story clearly in any other white house that would be something they would want to focus on and clearly i assume some people in the white house do. >> first of all, they're stepping on every banana peel
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right now. you don't have to assume that that will continue. it is conceivable that this is causing enough pain and enough frustration and enough heart burn inside that building that they may -- this may become a big lesson for that white house and the white house may well improve. you have to -- but if it doesn't improve, i do think it's odd for a republican party that's made such a big deal about morals and values and honestly and integrity and then say none of that matters people want jobs. that's an insult to the heartland of this country. the heart land of this country cares an awful lot about the economic opportunity and about morals and values. it's one thing to brag, it's something else to say that we live in a country where 4 to 5 million people could come and cheat and ruin our elections but then turn around and say i will won't investigate. this is one tiny crack. but if this continues as a pattern, i do think he could begin to seep his own people
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began to get disillusioned. >> lindsey graham saying this shakes the confidence in our democracy the most inappropriate for the president to say without proof you think that's overdoing it? >> i think it's overdoing it. i think you have somebody when it comes to his own personal things has been a showman for so much of his career and has been, in fact, a salesman for all the things that he represents and the buildings that have his names on him that's why i can comfortably put this into that safe category of bragging even if you don't have the goods or evidence that there were 3 million people who voted illegally. i wish he hadn't said it. it's a distraction not helpful to the rest of his agenda. i am so focused on the rest of his agenda, the country needs to be. that's where he's either going to rise or fall. does the economy get stronger? do wages increase particularly for blue collar workers? do we get more manufacturing
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jobs in america? that's going to be the future of his administration's success not whether he's a bragger or not. >> to some of the folk you interviewed in recently in pieces you've done in detroit and ohio and elsewhere who had voted for donald trump after voting for president obama in past elections who said, we heard all this other stuff. we didn't like what he was saying, you know what? that's only part of it and there's more important things for us for jobs to ari's point, if he provides jobs and makes progress and keeps this country safe there's a lot of people that will say this doesn't matter. >> donald trump has a winning hand. he has a -- he has the senate and the house. he has his pick -- there's not one pick for his team that's going to get knocked down. so he's set up to succeed. he's very, very unpopular but that can change as well. the problem that you have is, when you start having unforced error after unforced error
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sometimes what happens is the perception it hardens in to too many people that this is the keystone cops and that undermines your ability to get things done. i think you can overreact to some of this stuff. there are some people who are overreacting. if you look at all the stuff this president did this week, some of it i think needs to be discussed and debated including the gag rule on abortion, services overseas, the very big deal. these new pipelines pushing that stuff forward, very big deal. we're not talking about that stuff good or bad. it's not healthy for the country to have these kinds of distractions. i talked to top level democrats who were in those meetings and they were shocked. they went there hoping to be able to talk business and 25% of that meeting did go to this silly discussion. now, that is not good governance when you have the top democrats in the room and you could be
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cutting deals around the room and you're talking about this nonsense. >> great to have you on the program. thank you very much. important update to the reporting tonight from the tweets of the badland clears up the mystery who posted them and deleted them. the park service blamed a former employee who was not authorized to use the park's account. the park service said the decision to remove the tweet was made in-house. that's the latest on that. coming up next the secret service and the price she could pay for suggesting she'd rather going to jail then protect president trump. we'll talk to senator john mccain about that.
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secret service agent takes the job knowing that he or she must be willing to put their life on the line and if it comes to that protecting the president of the united states. the most enduring legacy the service has that is until now a senior agent is in hot water and pamela brown has details. so what happened here? >> this agent's name is kerry o'grady and according to the washington examiner one of several posts on facebook but this is one of them. despite the fact that i am expected to take a bullet for both sides, but this world has changed and i have changed and i would take jail time over a bullet or an endorsement for what i believe to be a disaster to this country and the strong and amazing women and minorities who reside here. she ended that post. i'm with her which of course is hillary clinton's campaign slogan.
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the examiner interviewed her. that it was an internal struggle for her and she said as soon as she put it up she thought it was not the sentiment -- i care very deeply about this mission and she went on to say, i serve at the pleasure of the president but i still have first amendment rights to say things and i should mention i reached out to her tonight and she declined to comment. >> how's the secret service responding? this is -- i've never heard of something like this. >> i'm told by an official that she's been ordered back to washington from her post in denver to answer questions about this and it's unclear what action will be taken. i spoke with someone at the secret service who tells me the sentiment right now within the agency is extreme disappointment with this agent and that her personal views are essentially overshadowing at least for now a lot of the work the agency did through the campaign and through the inauguration and the secret service also released a statement that said, quote, that it's aware of the postings and the agency is taking quick and appropriate action. says all secret service agents and employees are held to the
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highest standards of professional and ethical conduct. any allegations of misconduct are taken seriously and swiftly investigated. >> so could she be in any legal trouble or just professional trouble? >> it's unclear in terms of legal trouble because what's interesting, actually, is that she raised the hat check in one of her post saying she struggles not to violate the law which bans some federal employees, including secret service employees from engaging in political activity while on duty. however they are allowed to express their opinions on politics on social media if it's not in a official capacity so we don't know anderson if she was on duty when she posted these comments. a person familiar with the matter i spoke to tonight said she made the post on her personal facebook page. >> thanks. some perspective now from secret service agent jonathan wackro. are you stunned by this? >> absolutely shocked.
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to have the special agent in charge of a field office for the united states secret service -- >> this is not a low level agent, this is a special agent. >> this is someone that is commanding and leading other agents and for her to make those statements is reprehensible. she has to be removed from her duties immediately. >> one of the things about the secret service what makes them so extraordinary just as with our military personnel, our police officers is that they have to do things which may be they don't like the person they're doing it for or believe in their politics but they do it and that's the job. >> you have to operate apolitical. there are a lot of times you're putting in environments where you may not like the protectee. the protectee may not like you. at the end of the day your job is to ensure their safety, to keep them alive. for a supervisor to say they're not willing to execute on the core elements of
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our job is absolutely unacceptable. >> the fact that this was -- her argument seems to be well, in my own time and i'm allowed -- i have a first amendment right to express myself. >> absolutely. mindful of her first amendment rights. she's obviously been struggling with this for 23 years she struggled in around and around the hatch act. throughout your career how many other times were you thinking about this? are you putting the life of our protectees at risk every time that you're working and that's something the senior administration has to take a look at, the leadership has to get ahead of this issue and deal with it right away. we're at day five of a new administration. if this new administration feels that there's a shadow of a doubt on the secret service and our ability to execute in a crisis, then we've lost. >> it also makes it tough for all other secret service agents who are doing their extraordinary job. >> i can speak specifically to the agents that are there today protecting president trump. i know that every single one of them would stand up and put
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their life in danger to protect the sanctity of the office but the office of the presidency. >> i appreciate you being on. president trump says the u.s. should have taken iraq's oil and suggests there might be another chance. i'll get senator mccain's take on that. all right, here we go, baby! hey! we're doing the wave! taking off with me! for 42 minutes he's been trying to bring an entire stadium to its feet. you missed it, buddy. it's all good. and much like this hero, courtyard is all about the game. one, two, three... waaaaave!
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as we said it's been busy in headline making day in washington. senator john mccain has been focusing on how foreign policy will play out in this new administration even as president trump continues to rehash the election. i spoke to senator mccain earlier. i want to ask you about national security issues and trade issues in a moment. i want to get your reaction to president trump reportedly repeating his unfounded claim that three to five million illegally cast votes cost him the popular vote victory. your colleague senator lindsey graham told cnn today it's the most inappropriate thing to say without proof. do you agree? >> i obviously have seen no evidence of illegally voting but my focus has been on national
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security. getting general mattis in as secretary of defense, doing those issues. a long time ago honestly i've stopped reacting to everything that the president has stated and tried to work on the issues and the people that he's going to surround himself with whom i'm very pleased with as far as national security is concerned. >> let's talk about that. let's talk about russia. you've been very outspoken. cnn's reporting that u.s. investigators are scrutinizing late december calls between michael flynn and russia's ambassador. do you have confidence in flynn to do his job? >> i do. i have no information about these phone calls although i don't think it's abnormal. what i am worried about is our entire approach to russia and the sanctions which i believe must not only been in place but increased. this guy is a war criminal.
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he used aircraft with precision weapons to strike hospitals in aleppo intentionally slaughtering men women and children. that's disgraceful. he's partitioned ukraine. he's taken crimea. he continues to put enormous pressure on baltic countries and others. he's our major threat. >> do you think president trump at all shares any of the conviction in russia? you called russia a grave danger to the united states. >> i know that general mattis and now director of cia pompeo, general flynn i believe but i also know general kelly i know they all share my view and so i believe -- i hope that their views and i know that president trump really respects them will have an effect on his view of russia. >> just yesterday sean spicer the press secretary -- is that
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said the president would not rule out joint u.s./russia acts against isis. is that something you would support? >> i would be deeply disturbed if such a thing happened. they have been bombing and striking the moderate opposition people that we armed an trained, meanwhile isis retakes palmyra and they don't do anything about it. it certainly shows the russians priorities, which are not isis. they are to consolidate assad in power and consolidate their now significant, in fact, in some ways the most powerful role in the middle east. that's a long, long way from when they got thrown out of egypt in 1973. >> do you think -- in a sense partnering with russia allegedly against isis are you saying that
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would be tantamount to partnering with iran? >> of course. of course. does anybody believe now that assad is going to willingly leave power? i would remind you that it was then president obama that said assad must go. it's not a matter of when but whether it's a matter of when. there has been tacit accommodation to the realities on the ground and the realities on the ground are that the free syrian army have been negated because of a total failure of obama policies and strategies. there has been none and we're paying a very heavy price for it. >> the president reiterated his thought about taking iraq's oil. we didn't do it before, maybe we'll have another chance to do it or words to that effect. does that make any sense to you the notion of the u.s. taking the oil of a sovereign nation that we are allied with? >> no.
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no. i don't get it. >> and that's not something you heard from general mattis or anything else? i haven't heard any military personnel actually talking about taking the oil. >> first of all, i don't know exactly how you would do it. no, i have not heard any of his national security advisors mention the topic. in fact, i hadn't heard the president mention it until you sort of did the other day. >> it was the first time i heard him mention it since during the campaign. i'm curious about whether any of the hot spots do you believe president trump should be receiving president's daily -- the pdb which is the highest level of briefing. every day? he got it yesterday i understand. it wasn't on his official schedule today. >> i don't know if he should receive it every day, anderson, because it doesn't change that
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radically from day-to-day unless there's some kind of emergency. i know that president obama used to get his briefing online sometimes and i think you miss the give and take with your briefers when you do that but i believe that the president paid close attention. his trip out to the cia i think was symbolic in a lot of ways of his confidence in the cia and the intelligence agencies. >> senator mccain, appreciate your time as always. thank you. up next van jones returns to the heart of coal country where president trump promise today bring back jobs. that's ahead.
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and they're absolutely right. they say that it's hot... when really, it's scorching. and while some may say the desert is desolate... we prefer secluded. what is the desert? it's absolutely what you need right now. absolutely scottsdale. president trump has set a high bar for himself promising to make a big mark on washington. he's doing a lot of executive actions. since his election win we've been sending van jones into the field to talk to people and more importantly to listen to people about their votes. all of his reports we think have been incredibly inciteful. tonight van heads to coal country in west virginia. in this election it was solidly
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trump country, to talk about what they're expecting now from their new president. >> reporter: west virginia is coal country and has been for generations but coal production has been on a steady decline here since the early 1990s and in the last six years it's taken a complete nosedive that has led to a loss of jobs and for many a loss of hope. enter, donald trump. >> and for those miners get ready because you're going to be working your asses off, all right? >> we're in the heart of coal country also the heart of the collapse of coal. president trump made a lot of promises to the coal miners. he said he's going to give them a big bright tomorrow. we're here in mingo county, west virginia to see what that means to the folks that live here first of all i'm incredibly
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happy to be here. i meet up with a group that definitely knows coal. terri steel retired after mining for 26 years. bill coply has been laid off since 2015. he stort sort of a coal mining exchange with this exchange with hillary clinton. >> i just want to know how you can say you're going -- and then come in here and tell us how you're going to be our friend. >> and allen is one of the lucky ones. he's got a job in the mines. >> reporter: my first question simply this, what does trump have to do to deliver to satisfy folks? >> my whole reasoning for voting for policies but the presence of trump. his unconventional nature, it will cause a political shakeup. you got a political gene pool that's entirely inbred. you had these career politicians. they're so disconnected from their base.
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trump being such an outsider will make people start to think and realize, wait, we could possibly lose our jobs if we don't become more representative. >> some people say that the reason coal is having so many problems is because obama came in, he overregulated. but looking at the numbers, coal's been declining since the nineties. do you think that's maybe overstated the damage that obama did? >> it was on the decline, yes, because there's alternative needs for electric power but when you see the drop happen, they yanked the carpet out from under west virginia. they were populated by activists. so now you have people that are the polar opposite of that and that's where you're going to get a lot of positive action on coal with a little bit of scaling back with the overregulation. >> you got famous because of the challenge you laid out to hillary clinton. if hillary clinton had a different position on coal mining, would you have voted for her? >> no, sir. >> why not?
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>> on the very fact alone of pro-life. >> so many pundits said if she hadn't offended those coal miners, she would have won. they didn't know your heart. there was something you're concerned about. >> everyone always thinks we're one topic people and we're not. >> you guys are christian and proud of it. how can you support a donald trump when you know the fear he strikes into the hearts of american muslim children, american latino children? how do you round that circle? >> i'm sorry, we -- it hits close to home. some of her family won't speak to me right now. because of my support for donald trump. >> and we have muslim american family. >> her sister's married to a jordanian man. they never expressed their fears to us beforehand as far as -- >> i wouldn't want anybody to
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think just because someone's in office that it's a dictatorship. this is still america. it is still awesome. god put it here for a reason and it's a country of immigrants. you can't say we're not going to let anybody in but it has to be done the right responsible way. but i would like to ask donald trump, you know, what are you going to say to those people who are scared? kids who think that something might happen to them or to their father or mother because of their descent? >> maybe some people love trump, maybe some people don't love trump. you've been in this region your whole life. what can trump do? >> when that coal miner is breathing in that coal dust for you to turn a light switch on and get good, cheap energy, there's a price to be paid, and it was paid for here.
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now we've reached a point that we need help here. we need help. >> my last question is this, hope is a fragile thing. >> sure is. >> and it's hard to get and when it goes it's devastating and you got people here hanging by a thread and they're putting their faith in donald trump. they're down to nothing. their jobs are gone. their pensions are gone. their health care isn't there. they're trying to push that opioid away. >> mr. president, you're the most unconventional candidate that has ever took this office. a lot of things that happened, a lot of mechanisms in place to put you in there, and your own words if you do not deliver, you're fired. >> it's just so great to hear from people to hear what's in their hearts and heads. what else do they want to see from this president? >> well, first of all, what i was just so struck by was the complexity of the political analysis.
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i think, these guys they're coal miners they're easily tricked by the republicans. they were incredibly sophisticated. i don't know if he's going to be able to do this, send a shock wave through the political establishment might make us listen to us more. the pro-choice piece was huge for them. they're christian conservatives before they're coal miners. that wasn't really discussed in understanding why the coal miners rallied the way they did but in terms of what they need, we could not get them to say on camera what they need. you cut the cameras off. they are concerned about the health care. that one couple that was sitting there very quiet. one of them is going to surgery on thursday of this week, has so much -- so many medical bills and the pensions and the health care promised to them by the coal companies have been thrown under the bus because the coal companies are going into bankruptcy. the coal miners are saying, they
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bailed out the bankers but they won't bail out the coal miners. our pensions are nothing. hour health care is hanging by a thread but you couldn't get them to say it on camera. because of the pride. so you miss a lot unless you're there with the people. i think the democrats and republicans should be ashamed of what's happening right now in coal country. these people have risked their lives and their lungs and their limbs to keep the lights on for the rest of us and they're too sick and old to work and they can't see a doctor and nobody's coming to their aid. >> just the difficulty of their job working in the coal mine every single day and in a community it's a good paying job that there's not a lot of other good paying jobs so they know -- it's not like they don't know the risk. they go in knowing full well the risk. that's incredible about them. >> incredibly brave and smart. the machinery that they run is the size of buildings and they got to be precise with it. these are incredible people.
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more breaking news. president trump tweeted on a number of subjects including chicago's murder statistics. also this. big day planned on national security tomorrow among many other things we will build a wall. and as we've been reporting over the last two hours, the president has been saying he'll be taking executive action tomorrow on immigration. i'm unclear if that's what he's talking about. tonight they endorse nikki ha y haley. she's the fourth member to be approved. confirmation hearings continue for others, including tom price,
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we are joined from the hill with more on that. price was grilled on the specifics of what's going to happen with the affordable care act during the hearing today. what did he say? >> reporter: he didn't opt for a lot of details. this was a strategic decision by the team and price to not discuss what a replacement plan would look like. they didn't want him to get pinned down in the confirmation hearings. it's because the party is not yet united what a replacement plan would look like. he also would not discuss whether to turn medicaid into a grant program for states. this is actually and is popular among republicans. would not say what he would do on that. and importantly, anderson, he was pushed by democrats about how he would implement this new executive order by president trump, that would give the hhs secretary tremendous power to weaken obamacare.
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he would not give democrats an answer on that, and democrats were frustrated. take a listen. >> i want you to commit that you will stand firm, as the aca does, on this provision of canceling care -- canceling insurance, because they're too expensive. >> as i said, nobody ought to lose their insurance because they get a bad diagnosis. >> yes or no, under the executive order, will you commit that no one will be worse off? >> what i commit to, senator, is working with you and every single member of congress to make certain that we have the highest quality health care and that every single american has access to affordable coverage. >> now, this nomination actually probably will still be confirmed on a party line vote. anderson, expect the senate committee to actually vote to approve it next week, and the senate -- the full senate soon thereafter. democrats can delay it, but probably can't delay the inevitable. >> manu, you reported last week on questions about -- some of the investments price has made through a broker while he was in congress.
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did he talk about that at the hearing? >> reporter: he did. he was asked repeatedly about it, but interestingly, by republicans, given a chance to defend this investment, saying it was done through a broker, it was not unusual, something a lot of members of congress do by offering legislation on issues that they may be pushing. this is something that has actually hounded and clouded his confirmation, because democrats say that there are ethical problems in dr. price's record, but right now, doesn't look like any republicans are convinced that that is the case. >> manu raju, thanks very much. president trump's pledge to repeal and replace obamacare has sparked something of a backlash in some quarters. last night we reported on efforts across the country to fight its repeal. for millions of women, the stakes include birth control, and for some, the threat of losing coverage of contraceptives has forced them -- has compelled them to take action. elizabeth cohen tonight reports. >> reporter: gabriella and reilly sykes have been together for five years. >> he's so supportive. he's my rock. >> you're only 22. you're not looking to have
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children? >> having a baby or starting a family is definitely not in the plans, at least for right now. >> reporter: she was happy taking the birth control pill, but president trump's win on election night changed everything. >> you're getting an iud because of donald trump? >> yes. i have an appointment for my insertion on february 17th. >> reporter: here's why she and many women are rushing to get an iud or intrauterine device. under obamacare, birth control is free for most women. >> the plan will be repeal and replace obamacare. >> reporter: president trump has already issued an executive order reaffirming his calls for dismantling obamacare. shapula's worried she won't be able to afford the monthly costs of the birth control pill. that's why she's going for the iud, while obamacare is still the law of the land, she'll get it for free and it lasts for several years. >> i want something that's going to outlast trump, at least for the first -- his first term. >> reporter: many other women are making the same choice.
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here's what the president of planned parenthood told cnn's christiane amanpour two weeks ago. >> we've had a 900% increase in women trying to get into planned parenthood to get an iud, because they are desperately concerned they might lose their access to health care. >> reporter: shapula didn't take the decision lightly. she got advice from an unusual source. her father. >> he asked me, you know, what do you think about iuds? and so, i said -- which is definitely a conversation that you never imagine that you would have with your dad. >> so even your dad was worried, that trump would take away your birth control? >> he was. he was. >> did you ever think you'd be making a decision about your body based on who's in the white house? >> no, i never thought that that would ever be something that i would be doing. >> reporter: trump has said he might keep parts of obamacare, but hasn't specified what he wants to do about birth control coverage. but his nominee for secretary of health and human services, representative tom price, has voted against access to birth control throughout his career. at his confirmation hearing today, he said women should pay
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for contraception. >> are you able to set aside any personal political views and protect the doctor/patient relationship by committing to insure every woman's right to access to a form of contraception deemed best for her by her doctor at no cost, as currently provided in the aca? >> i think that women -- that contraception is absolutely imperative for many, many women and the system that we ought to have in place is one that allows women to be able to purchase the kind of contraception that they desire. >> reporter: comments like those are writing on the wall for shapula. >> i have to do what i can now, before it's too late to protect myself. >> reporter: and she says she's worried mostly not for herself, but for other less fortunate women. >> i'm just really concerned for folks who don't have as much easy access to health care already. and so, the idea of having the thing that helps women stay safe be taken away is really
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upsetting. >> how many women are receiving free birth control because of the affordable care act provision. >> the affordable care act free birth control not only covers people on obamacare policies, but women on other policies as well. so it's about 55 million women. a huge number. >> elizabeth cohen, thanks very much. we'll be right back. that help them save on their car insurance. any questions? -yeah. -how do you go to the bathroom? great. any insurance-related questions? -mm-hmm. -do you have a girlfriend? uh, i'm actually focusing on my career right now, saving people nearly $600 when they switch, so... where's your belly button? [ sighs ] i've got to start booking better gigs.
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and that's it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> and the breaking news tonight is donald trump is changing the subject. i want to get right to our cnn reporters. jeff zeleny, david chalian, and salena zito, our contributor here on cnn. we'll get to this big story in a moment, but we have some breaking news that president trump is expected to announce something to do with immigration tomorrow. what can you tell us about that? >> indeed, don. president trump is planning to go to the department of homeland security tomorrow afternoon, making his first visit to that department, will continue signing a series of executive actions that he's been doing all week. these are pertaining to immigration. we are told by aides that there are going to be several immigration executive actions, including focusing on that border wall with mexico. in fact, the president sending out a message earlier this evening, just about 20 minutes