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>> should he be confirmed? >> i would have voted as the democratic members of the senate foreign relations committee did with great skepticism. they didn't vote him to proceed forward. he will get confirmed. i have no doubt about that. senator rubio, senator mccain, senator graham are going to vote for him. he ran a great company, did a good job as ceo. but being the secretary of state is a much more complex job, quite different. for 41 years he's only cared about the bottom line of exxonmobil, now he has to care about the bottom line for american security. that's a complex undertaking. >> ambassador wendy sherman, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. we're following a lot of news. let's get right to it. >> this is cnn breaking news. good morning everyone. welcome to your "new day." breaking news, president trum tweeting he's calling for a major investigation into voter
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fraud. the president has peddled a light for months claiming that millions of people voted illegally in the election without providing any evidence. >> the irony is this news of this investigation is overshadows the president's expected executive orders today on the border wall and immigration and different deliveries on his promises during the campaign. just six days into the trump administration. we have it all covered. let's begin with athena jones live at the white house. athena. >> reporter: good morning, chris. we talk about doubling down, tripling down, now tripling down on the debunked claims that three to 5 million people voted illegally in the november election. the president tweeting in the last 45 minutes or so, i will be asking for a major investigation into voter fraud including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and even those registered to vote who are dead, many for a long time. depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures. as we've been stating over and over again, there's absolutely
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no evidence of widespread voter fraud. this is something getting a lot of attention. white house press secretary sean spicer was pressed repeatedly about the false claims yesterday including by my colleague jeff zeleny. >> do you believe there was idea spread voter fraud? how can he be comfortable with his win -- >> he's very comfortable with his win. it's electoral-based system, got 306 electoral votes, 33 of 50 states voted for him. jeff, i've asked and answered this question twice. he believes what he believes based on the information provided. yes, ma'am. >> what's that mean for democracy? >> thanks, jeff. >> what does that mean for democracy. >> it means i've answered your question. >> now, trump tweeting about this after the election in november. we know this came up again monday night in the meeting with congressional leaders in the white house.
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we're told the discussion lasted for several minutes on this topic. republicans and democrats have been urging the president to say these demonstrably untrue things. here yu have the president's policy moves in line with his campaign promises. now he's stepping all over that positive message, positive in terms of who sent him here to the white house by bring gz up this distraction. a lot of these tweets seem to be in response to news reports. it's not the kind of communication strategy you expect to see from a white house, highly unusual and not effective if the goal is to direct the conversation in a way that's beneficial. chris? >> comes down to something pretty simple. either you tell the truth or you don't. athena, thank you very much. it should be noted in this meeting with congressional leaders where the president reiterated this bogus notion about illegals voting, a lot of the congressional leaders didn't say anything. maybe silence in situations like that leads to further action down the wrong road.
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joining us, republican congressman pete sessions. before we get into the news of the day, i want the audience to know, the commitment is firm, your ideas for the replacement for the aca are ready and want to bring them through, please do. you're always welcome to come on the show and talk about that. it matters to millions and millions of americans. >> chris, as you know we're headed to the city of philadelphia where republicans, house members, senate republicans, senate republicans, house republicans, the president and vice president will be joining us where we are going to talk about not just our agenda but the options and alternatives. as you suggest, i do the world's greatest health care plan that i believe is equal to or better than health care that is available in the united states today for all americans, and i intend to talk about that when we're in philadelphia. >> all right. you know, when you're ready, we're here. it's an important discussion. you know what else is, and hopefully in the city of brotherly love gets attention,
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this claim that 3 to 5 million illegals swayed the popular vote and that's why our president didn't win the popular vote is a bogus notion that has no underlying support that is known in the real world right now. do you understand that situation? >> as a matter of fact, i do. i used to be chairman of the national republican congressional committee. i have my finger on a lot of thoughts and ideas. regardless of whether it is 3 to 5 million people and regardless of how they voted, chris, i think what the president is speaking about is an evaluation where we make sure the integrity at the ballot box is valid. i'm not sure i would use the same talking points that he does. i would say sf he can get this right out of the box in the first month, we'll get on to great policy discussions. >> pete, you're known as a straight shooter. nobody is saying that our system
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is perfect. it's a patchwork of different laws and tolerance levels and all kinds of shenanigans, no question about it. this is something different. i know that the language in that tweet, 140 characters at a time, is to look at the widespread issues. he's saying 3 to 5 million illegals, i guess he means undocumented people. that's a bogus notion. do you accept it as such? >> i will say this, i see exactly why you're saying what you're saying. all i'm saying, chris, i haven't looked at it. it does not seem like a stand or position i would take. >> this is one of those times where you've got to figure out who is going to speak truth to power and who isn't. i get he's the president of the united states and i get there's fraud in the system, and that's not what he said. if you endorse it or you make it okay, isn't it the same thing as
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embracing the position yourself? >> i'm not making it okay. what i said to you is i would not have sent the tweet out. i need to listen to what he's going to say. i'll be glad next time i'm on to render that evaluation. this just happened overnight. look, i'll tell you, it does not seem plausible to me either. >> from your time working in the republican congressional committee, you're always looking at the efficacy and problems with voting fraud. have you ever heard of anything to support fraud of this kind of scale? >> no. there are places, for instance, in and around pennsylvania where 110% of the voters turn out. i do question that. but that is not people who are here illegally. that is people who perhaps were voting that actually did not show up to vote. so i have different thoughts about what our problems are. it is not about illegals.
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>> just to keep this clear, i'll put up stats for the people at home so they understand. this is not an unstudied areas, 146 million total registered voters. by the way, that's way too low. people have to get involved in the process. different conversation. 2,06858 ledged fraud cases. ten dacases of voter fraud case. 38 cases of voter fraud prosecuted. 13 cases of double voting prosecuted. news media reported 200 allegations since 2012. does it happen? yes. of this scale it's just a bogus notionment let's move on to something else -- >> that is exactly correct. of the scale you're talking about, perhaps in the hundreds, not in the millions. and i agree with that. the idea of what we're going to see on these executive actions, i get it. a lot of them are undoing things president obama did. they're not about the executive usurping authority from you
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guys, but in terms of what he wants to do, you have two big things to talk about. the first is the wall, which now seems to be negotiable. now maybe it's not a redoing of what's already in place. but as someone who represents texas, do you feel that this is going to be worth the money, especially if it does mean redoing all that area offense with now a wall? >> no, i do not believe that we need a wall in the middle of nowhere. what i do believe is that what the president is addressing, and i believe he's correct is, many of the executive orders that president obama signed into law, catch and release among other things and an insistence that we would encourage people from central and south america, including children, to come to this country for the purpose of citizenship, is a bad idea. but what we need is operational control of the border.
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i believe that you will find that our brand new head of homeland security is going to very carefully address this issue. i had lunch with him last friday, immediately after the inauguration. he knows what he needs to do. the way we say this, however, is that we're going to follow the law. we're going to stop the illegal incursions across the border and protect people. the last part is, and youd know this, criminal aliens need to be deported from this country. >> nobody disagrees on that last point, that's for sure. let me ask you one other thing. we're going to stop immigration from terror-prone countries. not only is that an odd definition that's never been borne out in any type of reality, but what message would that send out to the world. i know they're mentioning yemen, iraq, countries like that. i've been to france a lot more recently than i've been to yemen and iraq because of all the
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terrorism there. whom would you include and what message would this send? >> well, the message i would send is we need to make sure we can vet or get background information on the people who would be allowed to come to this country, for e potential to live in this country and be citizens. a background check is required for anyone that would be doing that under legal means. i would not have specified necessarily in specificity the types of countries or the countries. i would have said where we cannot get the proper vetting background, then they should not come into the country. let's go high on this and let's say let's follow the law as it is. >> pete sessions, thank you for coming on the show. i understand in the environment right now it is not easy to criticize things going on, taking separate positions, every party is entrenched. we appreciate your candor and saying what you think is right and looking forward with more conversations about how to forward the agenda of the
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american people. >> chris, thank you. >> alisyn. >> what are democrats say gd about president trump's executive actions? we will speak with a senator very skeptical about them. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.
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trump is expected to announce a series of executive actions on his border wall and immigration plans. democratic senator ron widen telling us earlier that the president is all over the map on
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how to make that wall a reality. >> i can tell you this is an awful lot of symbolism. we'll have to see the details, but if you look, for example, at yesterday, in effect the symbolic withdraw from the transpacific partnership, that doesn't do anything for american workers who are getting hammered by chinese dumping of steel and aluminum. >> senator, actually a border wall is the opposite of symbolism. it is concrete, literally and figuratively. he is planning to build a wall, an actual wall, not a virtual wall, along the mexican border. the estimates are it could cost $14 billion. he says mexico will pay for it. what are democrats going to do? >> certainly when you hear about the pay for, we've seen the president all over the map on this. initially he said the mexicans were going to pay for it. then they weren't. then he said we'll start it. the bottom line here is this is
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another divisive policy, another polarizing policy. contrast that with what senate democrats did yesterday. we proposed a major roads, bridges, infrastructure program. that would put americans to work. we were talking about clean energy, getting rid of subsidies and promoting more good paying jobs in clean and renewable energy. i think the american people are going to be able to see through this. the finance committee, for example, we were told constantly that there would be a replacement for the affordable care act. >> we had that moment from yesterday when you aggressively pressed energy secretary tom price. let's play that. >> yes or no? under the executive order will you commit that no one will be worse off? >> what i commit to, senator, is working with i don't and every member of congress to make certain we have the highest
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quality health care and every single american has access to affordable coverage. >> that is not what i asked. i asked will you commit that no one will be worse off under the executive order? you ducked the question. will you guarantee that no one will lose coverage under the executive order? >> i guarantee you that the individuals that lost coverage under the affordable care act, we'll commit to make certain they don't lose coverage under whatever replacement plan comes forward. that's the commitment i provided. >> senator, did you get your questions answered? >> of course not. let's examine one of the classic health care weasel words. the congressman said that people would have access to health care. that's not coverage. you can have access to lots of things in america, but if you don't have the money, you don't have anything real that will really help your family. he ducked, he bobbed, he weaved,
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he wouldn't answer about his plans to shred the medicaid safety net which assures our older people get nursing home coverage. we see women losing health care choices. >> you heard what he said. he turned it to say it was actually under obamacare that people were worse off and they did lose their doctor and, of course, it was promised they never would and their premiums went up and it was promised that never happened. he said what they're doing is going to correct those things. >> he's going to have trouble explaining that to a lot of trump voters. a lot of trump voters heard the president say, look, i can make it better. we'll have great care for everybody. what we learned is those voters who heard that in the campaign, they heard yesterday from the person who wants to be the captain of the trump health care team that he wouldn't make a commitment to making sure that people didn't get worse coverage. >> since you also know that
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people were energized by their displeasure, dissatisfaction with the affordable care act, what is your answer? >> my answer is, if you're going to repeal this, we ought to see a real replacement. that's what the american people were told again and again in the campaign, that the two of them would be intertwined. the president said there would be no gap at all. congressman price is the architect of the repeal and run strategy. he proposed repealing it and basically said something like over a year later we could come balk and talk about how to replace it. that's going to hurt a lot of the working class families. the trump voters weren't told that. >> senator, will you vote for tom price? >> i don't announce how i'm going to vote on early morning show like this, but i'll tell you there are an awful lot of unanswered questions, particularly with respect to his ethics.
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he got private placement deals, he underreported the value of his stocks, he didn't correct it until the last minute. he did all of this trading while he was a member of the health care committee. and i can just tell you george w. bush's ethics lawyer, not exactly a far-out liberal said with respect to congressman price that he had never seen anything like this in his 30 years. >> i'm no psychic but i'm going to go out on a limb and say it sounds like you're not going to vote for him. >> a lot of unanswered questions. i certainly wouldn't commit to voting for him this morning. >> senator, i want to ask you about the claims that president trump has been making about voter fraud. he says that millions of people voted illegally in this last election. what is your response to that? >> first of all, it ooh es a false claim, number one. we always want to suggest there is a constructive path forward. if the president is serious
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about strengthening the system of voting in this country, he ought to support my proposal which would take oregon vote by mail national. we have a system that has worked now for well over a decade. we haven't seen fraud. it ensures there is a paper trail. i hope the trump administration will be supportive of my proposal. >> do you think there was illegal voting this time around? >> i think what he said was completely false. >> senator ron wyden, thank you for taking the time for "new day." >> thank you. >> the president calling for a major investigation into voter fraud. should his advisers be telling him to continue to advance false claims and lies? we get the bottom line from david axelrod next.
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all right. president trump calling for a major investigation into voter fraud claiming that millions of illegals voted in his election and that made the difference. it's not true. why is the president disregarding the truth? let's get the bottom line with cnn senior political commentator
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and former obama adviser david axelrod. you don't see it as a one-off. you see a pattern. it bothers you. what is it? >> i see two patterns actually, chris. one is they are running plays very efficiently like a well-drilled football team, and he's doing it with a pen i pana a reality show one by one that reverse policies of the obama administration, on aca, on trade, on regulation and so on. that is one-half of what we see. the other half of what we see is the donald trump who can't help but react to any perceived slight or inconvenient truth. the weekend was hijacked by his antics around the size of the crowd. now we're into another episode over revisiting the fact that he lost by 3 million votes and his
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unwillingness to accept that. he is getting in his own way, hijacking his own story, and he is also undermining some fundamental institutions along the way. these are the two patterns of the early trump days as president. >> it's curious, david. were it not for this new tweet about how he's calling for this investigation into widespread voter fraud, we would be focused on his plans over the next 48 hours, big plans, his executive actions on immigration, most of which are dismantling president obama's actions on immigration. >> and moving on his wall and so forth. yes, it is like they have a script that they're following, and he's doing his executive orders, holding up his can executive orders like a kindergarten teacher reading to the class and showing each camera the executive orders and following their script. on the other happened, he keeps
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hijacking it with his reactivity and it's really curious that they can't seem to get him to color within the lines here. if they did, they would be sending a very strong message to their supporters that, yes, he's going to follow through on all his pledges. people may agree or disagree with those pledges, but that is the clear message that he is trying to send, but it becomes more difficult when you get absorbed in these sidebar battles ovary dick laos things where you're trying to over -- where you get into your alternative fact world and try and override what is the obvious truth. this voter fraud thing is particularly concerning, however, because you're under -- trying to undermine another fundamental institution of american democracy. there's no evidence of voter fraud of the scale he's talking about. and there's been exhaustive studies on voting fraud and charges of voter fraud in this
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country that have dispelled this notion. he just cannot accept that he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, just as he can't accept that his crowds weren't as large as barack obama's crowds. get over it. you're the president of the united states, man. you've got bigger things to do. >> furthermore, just to put a final button on that, all the republicans, secretaries of state in each state, every battleground state says not in our state, there wasn't any voter fraud in our state. >> look, there can be a little bit of a coverup by state officials who run the voting, as people should know. it's not federally done under one standard. it's about the scale. he said 3 to 5 million illegals voted and that's why i lost. he can do a wide ranging investigation into the problems that we know exist, but that's not the bogus notion he was peddling. i fear, ax, this turns out just like the 9/11 celebration bs
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where it comes out, some people, somewhere -- little pockets. that's not what he said. he said it was a really big deal. over time, if you are peddling nonsense, it's got to hurt you with things that matter. he's wasting that capital on things that don't matter. has that played out this way before? >> i think that is truth. the difference here is he's now the president of the united states, and everything he does has more weight, and everything he does that distracts from the important business of being president is damaging, not just to his story line, but to the institution of the presidency. what i fear on this voter fraud stuff, it becomes an impetus for those who want to further erode voter protections for people who legitimately want to vote and are facing a barriers. >> voter suppression is a real
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issue. >> if you want to investigate voting in this country, probably the most productive thing you can do is investigate that and try to ascertain whether these stringent new requirements in some states have -- more stringent new requirements have kept some people from voting. we should be encouraging voting in this country, not discouraging voting in this country. that's the hallmark of a strong democracy. >> people will say, wow, you guys are negative on trump. when obama said isis was a jv team, when obama said you can keep your doctor. by comparison, you take those two things, they got a ton of coverage because they wound up being false. but you compare it to this, there is no way this can be true on any level and there's been like ten of these in the last three months. that's creating this negative cycle. we started off this show talking about the executive orders, legitimate policy points, where they can go from here, and then this happened. >> i think that's right.
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i think, again, the madness of it is that it distracts from the message they want to get across. i also think there is this notion that kellyanne conway laid down on sunday, that you can create an alternative set of facts, alternative reality. that may work with his base of supporters who seem to be willing to accept anything the president says, but i don't think it works in the long run with the larger electorate. if he wants to grow what was, in fact, a losing hand in terms of the overall electorate, if he wants to grow his acceptance and his authority among the american people, then he ought to quit doing this stuff that only further polarizes the country. >> david axelrod, thank you very much for all of that. we need to save time for my favorite segment now. we talked about president
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trump's tweets. let's talk about his body language. we're bringing in an expert. what do the handshakes means? what does the way he signs the executive actions mean? how about his signature? we'll look at all that. >> what is my body language telling you. you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. and if you have more than one liberty mutual policy, you qualify for a multi-policy discount, saving you money on your car and home coverage. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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. let's begin with the moment president obama is signing some of the executive orders. let's take a look at this, and you can tell us what you see here. what do you see about him sitting at the desk and how he does this. >> president trump's coat is open. you can even see that as he stretches his hand out, you see more of the white of his shirt. this is seen as likable and approachable. when we unbutton our coat, it's like we're with family or a casual meeting. there's a family atmosphere. >> he's feeling comfortable, feels like he's among family. there's also, you say, sort of an authenticity or genuineness here? >> yes. he has an authentic style. there's a playfulness here. i think that's one of his granddaughters. she's playing with the pens. he's not like, knock it off. we have republicans, democrats all smiling. kids smiling this is a very kennedy-esque moment, this family atmosphere. >> i know you're not a
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handwriting expert, but do you want to take a stab at his signature here? >> trump, when he's signing his signature, he's use z effort. you can see him pushing hard on that pen. this is a typical president trum move, increase in pressure, consistent withstanding your ground, forging conviction. we see that with his gestures all the time. >> also, he has an interesting signature. maybe you can see it there. it's big and it is, you're right, bold. >> this is his typical signature, if you google it you'll see it. i'm friends with people who are handwriting experts, the bigger the signature, the more attention you want. not a surprise, our president is great at the limelight. >> let's look at when he's with congressional leaders, and he shakes their hands. we have this moment. he goes around shaking their hands. you see something in the way this happens. >> many people, allison, make a mistake. when we shake hands with multiple people, they'll go off to the side. nice to meet you, alisyn, and
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down the line. this is giving the cold shoulder. president trump faces each of these people, shakes their hand. so we face our bellybutton towards people we like, admire and trust. it's nice and slow. it says respect. it says professionalism. i call this naval intelligence. so this bellybutton rule, not giving them the cold shoulder. >> that causes a response from the person whose hand you're shaking that they like you, too. >> president bill clinton was great at this. people would say they would meet him and felt they were the most important person in the room. >> when you meet him, you feel exactly the same way in my opinion. so business leaders, he's at the table, i believe, with business leaders. tell me what you see with his body language here. >> this is ser interesting. as he was walking into the room, whamt he with these shakes is pull people in towards him. this particular meeting is the
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meeting he's going to tell them, if you take your business out of your country and bring your product back in, i'm going to tax it. when he shakes their hand, he's pulling them towards him like, i mean business, a little uncomfortable. i wouldn't be surprised if that's not what he wanted. i'm calling the shots here. >> let's look at the greeting to james comey, the phifbi directo who became this flashpoint. what's happening here frr across the room. >> these are law enforcement officials here. i don't know why they're standing in the circumference. almost like when we're kids, red rover, red rover, send comey right over. trump blows him a kiss, outstretches his arms like, listen, we're family now. again, this family atmosphere, maya copa, let's get along, you're the head of the fbi. >> the blowing someone a kiss, i don't even need a body expert to tell me what that means. i like you.
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>> yes, i like you. this is rapport, let's let bygones be bygones. >> you see comey put his head down a little bit when he's coming out of respect. you are the president. >> that's not chagrin, that's respect. >> you don't know what the catalyst is with any body language move, but it will be perceived as respect when you greet a president, a king, a queen, someone of power. >> very quickly, i want you to talk about the moment that the trumps arrive at the white house to meet the obamas. the obamas are exiting and the trumps are coming in. this has gone viral. >> i'm really excited about this. >> tell me what you see here. >> this has gone crazy viral. everyone saying trump didn't wait for his wife. his wife is a very private person. we don't know if in the car she said give me a second, you like
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the limelight, i'll come behind you. it's like recharging your cell phone when it's at 3%. you might charge it for a couple minutes, get a couple extra bars. we don't know what happened in that limousine. a lot of the company is mind reading he's so -- >> the media went crazy, why are they fist bumping. what does it mean about their presidency? when i was on cnn i said i don't know the catalyst behind the fist bump. we don't know what happened in the car first. be careful of being a mind reader. he's our president. let's cheer him on and hope pour the best. >> let's go over to chris's body language now. what's happening? >> how am i looking? >> open? too open. >> no. can't be too open. >> a little hot.
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some hotness. >> hot in a sexy way. i respect that and appreciate it. i aim for professional. president trump says he's going to ask for an investigation into voter fraud claims. three to five million illegals voting and swaying this election is a lie. why go down this road? van jones weighs in, "the messy truth". first, a troubled teenager's life is turned around by opera. here is the story in this week's "turning points." ♪ >> i'm ryan, speedogreen, opera singer. when i was younger, i don't think i liked myself as a person or moye home life. i lived in low income housing. my mom raised me. between 9 and 11 i was put in a class of six or seven of the worst kids in the district. this class was taught by elizabeth hues. the way to introduce myself to
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president donald trump calling for a major investigation into voter fraud after peddling false claims for months that millions of people voted illegally and that cost him the popular vote. here to discuss this and more, cnn political commentator and host of tonight's "the messy truth" van jones. hi, van. >> hi. >> a lot to talk about. >> very messy, not the truth i would say about these claims. >> are you renaming your franchise? >> i'm saying the president making these claims, these are very messy claims and they are not the truth. >> he's basically calling for an investigation and whether or not millions of people voted illegally during this election. the larger issue is that that means that the underpinning of
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our democracy is broken, and it also calls into question the outcome of the election. >> it can mean that, or it can mean something very different. >> like what? >> there are two thooerryes here. one is he's doing this to distract us and keep us jumping around and not worrying about a all the executive orders, many of which will hurt air and water, hurt women's rights. the other theory is this is something key to his understanding of his legitimacy. most of the people have pointed to the cons stugs for their legitimacy, the constitution. he almost never mentions it. he talks about polls, crowd sizes. why? he sees himself as a populist leader leading a mass movement. not a normal politician. once you start knocking his numbers, you are knocking at the core of the sense of his
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legitimacy. it's not he's crazy. he feels his legitimacy comes from the people, you're saying he has to fight. >> questioning his intelligence is questioning your own. this is not about the president being smart, it's about his tactics. i think you put your finger on that appropriately. he had no choice but to say he was going to have an investigation because they got called out on it. if you think something like this happened, so fundamental to the underpinning of democracy, you have to look at it. the problem is, what now? if they don't find 3 to 5 million illegals voted in a way that swayed the election, and i don't know how they could. as alisyn loves to cite the secretaries of state from all the different states where this happened say it didn't happen. what does the outcome of the investigation mean for you instead of wasting tax dollars? >> wasting tax dollars, that's one thing, but also a certain sense about his leadership. something called the one-way
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ratchet. once somebody takes a step, they can't take a step back. they have to take a step forward, and another step forward. >> that's a wrench. if you can't go back, why have a ratchet? >> good enough. my only point is there are some kinds of people, once they start walking down that plank they can never moonwalk back. they're going to keep walking and keep walking. what does that mean for foreign policy? what does that mean for a military confrontation? if you're wrong, say you're wrong, you misspoke, you overstepped. he's not going to just overspeak, he may overshoot. this white house, we're still in day six. they can learn a bunch. they can get better. somebody in that building has got to start saying, let us make this a case study of whatnot to do and not about what we're going to do. >> let's talk about "the messy truth." >> yes. >> it's on tonight. what are ywe going to learn?
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>> i got a chance to go to west virginia and talk to coal miners who voted for trump. >> are they happy with their choice? >> they're happy so far. the conflict as christians supporting somebody who is mean to people. nobody has talked about that. they talk about that. it's so much deeper than just, oh, they're red state voters. so much deeper. we're also going to have whoopi goldberg. she was at the march and she's got all this energy. we're going to have other women who didn't go to the march, and they're going to be in the crowd. they'll have a conversation -- i can't give away all of it. i'm sorry. i can't. tune in tonight. that's all i've got to say. >> he's got a good thing going with the action and reaction you play out. it's true, he won the catholic vote. catholics have voted with every winner except eisenhower. then you had the big right. now you have the right-to-lifers who are going to march.
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"the good stuff," an update to an incredible story we told you ability on monday, a woman in washington state reuniting with the police officer who did this. her car is on fire. he doesn't care, bashes the window over, a good samaritan comes over. they save her. dramatic body cam footage. one more reason to have it. tim swearing is the guy going this work with the baton doing the good deed into kim novak's window. they save her. very nice. now listen to what happens. >> my angel. hi. i'm so glad to see you again. always give him a hug. i told him he's stuck with me for life now. >> my angel she says to the neighbor and to the officer. the officer saying he's glad he got there in time to help. >> so wonderful. she said she's stuck with me for life. they will be friends for life.
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they do now share that unbreakable bond. >> they protect and serve. but to go at a situation where every human's instinct says stay away from the smoke and fire, he goes, stays, saves a life. >> that's beautiful. thank you very much for that "good stuff." time for the "newsroom" with carol costello. >> she punched right through a window when i was in a car but it wasn't on fire. >> i saved chris's life. you owe me. i'll be collecting later today. "newsroom" starts right now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks for join me. president donald trump delivering on a major campaign promise that he will indeed order that construction begin on a border wall, separating the united states and mexico. that photo op now overshadowed as trump steals his own spotlight, doubling down on his claim that

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